Game Day Open Thread -- Week 3: Cincinnati at Seattle
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Carson Palmer visits. T.J. Whosyourmama as well. Chad Johnson books the Seattle Lite Opera for a potential end zone celebration. And you are there. Let's run up the score, shall we? We shall.
Update Three Keys --John
- The Hawks rushing attack has to break out and that starts with the offensive line. Shaun Alexander has shown that given a hole he can still be a productive back, but he fails to hit creases and seems with authority. Putting aside Alexander's age and recent spate of injuries, that's been true his entire career--just never to this extent. In the second half in Arizona Mike Holmgren began loosening the run blocking calls. Robs Sims, specifically, was asked to pull block with more regularity. Sims as a pull blocker is still a work in progress. Seahawks fans weaned on Steve Hutchinson's ability to move through traffic and square up and dominate his man on the second level must adjust their expectations. Sims hasn't quite the agility of Hutch, but he has most of the power and quickness. What he lacks, but can realistically be expected to learn, is the ability to work through traffic. Once Sims can decipher the wreckage comprising the post-snap defensive/offensive lines, he should be able to slide into the second level and provide the kind of forceful pull blocker that makes Mike Holmgren's power rushing attack work. With the Bengals linebacker corps thin and depleted, Alexander should--and really must--excel if Seattle gives him room to work.
- I may harp on this fact until I'm blue in the face, but the Hawks defense is built on the pass rush. No player is as essential to that rush working as Rocky Bernard. Bernard doesn't always get the sacks, but no player on the Hawks consistently degrades the pocket like Bernard. Interior pressure does a funny thing to quarterbacks: Some scramble to the left or right often into the teeth of a defensive end or blitzing linebacker or DB (see Tampa Bay), others force the pass; Matt Leinart showed poise and patience waiting for his receiver to get open. Last week I talked about protecting Kelly Jennings against a mismatch, to a limited extent they did. Seven receptions and 87 yards is a productive but not dominating showing for a wide receiver of Larry Fitzgerald's caliber. This week the Hawks must protect both corners. Despite not converting a sack, the Hawks amped up the pressure in the second half. In the first half of the contest Seattle's line looked overmatched. Leinart averaged 9.19 yards per attempt. In the second half Seattle's pressure kept Leinart checking down and he averaged only 6.63 yards per attempt. Sacks are gravy against the Bengals, the rush must limit the downfield passing attack.
- The final key is unsettling in a way, but important to Seattle winning today and vital to the Hawks hopes of contention. Walter Jones must play better. Jones allowed two sacks against an iffy Bucs pass rush. He looked improved in the second half against the Cards. Unfortunately, that might be as much the continuing decline of Bertrand Berry as Jones. Jones faces his toughest matchup, Justin Smith, of this young season and he must win it. One of the greatest tackles in the history of the NFL, you want to give Jones the benefit of the doubt, but Jones wouldn't be the first once dominant player to hit a wall entering his mid thirties. Without at least a very good left tackle Seattle has no chance at true contention.

Apologies to Bill Watterson. Let's hope Seattle doesn't play the role of Calvin today.

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green and gold
How many thousands of people are cursing...
Meanwhile, I believe in Mike Martz.
by John Morgan on Sep 23, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
raises hand.
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2007 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
What does it take to insult people's intelligence
and of course vernon davis gets it going today...
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2007 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
good god.
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2007 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
14-15 332 yards 4 TDs
looks like scruffy has me owned.
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions
holy smokes
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 23, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Weirdness in Pittsburgh
by John Morgan on Sep 23, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I got a weird error
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 23, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
nevermind
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 23, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm ashamed to even post here right now
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2007 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
Pitt 20, San Fran 9
The 49er pass defense is legit, that's it.
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 12:37 PM PDT reply actions
Their line
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
So, uh, you think the Niners are smart enough to..
by John Morgan on Sep 23, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Off topic
Tom Brady
Romo
Steve Smith
Randy Moss
Brian Westbrook
It doesn't even matter who else I start
couch
I watch the Seahawks
have they come to play today?
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 1:09 PM PDT reply actions
Arizona loses
That was easy
Nice start!
"If Tatupu has 10 or 12 tackles today...
TJ HOUSAWHATZA!
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 23, 2007 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
Off PI there uncalled
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
Anyone think Shaun falls down because his foot's..
Ridiculous.
Why did we even pick up Pearman if he's not
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
Run plays for Shaun are basically loss of down
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 1:44 PM PDT reply actions
how did that split the seattle D
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
Palmer is going to throw for 500..
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
handsmundzadeh
i don't like this game.
Hey, last week this same Bengal defense...
confession
hey!
Cincy is now only 5-for-6 on third downs today.
yardhouse
The Seahawk defense has given up only 176 yards.
uuuuup
plackemeier
now if they could ever manage to stop
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:01 PM PDT reply actions
wow hawks
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:03 PM PDT reply actions
whew
hmmph
I guess in that case, Cincy's plan would be to build a big enough lead, then it'll be Run Rudi Run.
The Bengals D is shutting us down
Elbow Drop on Shaun
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:15 PM PDT reply actions
THAT PLAY HAD SO MUCH TOUCH
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions
Does everyone understand how good this team could
This love affair with Alabama must end. He's cooked. You have incredible depth.
FREE THE FIELD!!
ohhhhhh so close
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
slightly happy
The Seahawks are lucky the Bengals only have 10 points on the board since Palmer, TJ, and Johnson all have stupid numbers right now.
I'm still not satisfied with the defense's inefficiency to get off the field on third down, but hopefully that takes care of itself.
How about a running game?
That sign caused Hawks fans everywhere to cringe
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
woah
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
First Half Cap:
The Seattle Seahawks do not have a bad defense. The rejoinder to that statement is that total yards is not an accurate indicator of defensive performance. John Marshall runs a attacking, opportunistic, bend but don't break defense. Pass rush, pickoffs, forced fumbles--take a second and purge the repetition that has programmed you to believe that total yards are important. The Seattle Seahawks have a good defense that has greatness potential. The Bengals are simply one of the best offenses in football and though they haven't been "stopped" or "contained" they do have 10 points and two turnovers. Tell me this: If the Bengals have 450 yards of total offense to end the day, but 20 points and four turnovers, you're going to tell me that's bad defensive performance?
Shaun Alexander is either hurt, possibly irrevocably, or his career is at an end. It's one thing to look hesitant. That' near unacceptable for a NFL rusher, but still...It's another thing to fall down consistently when you try and make a cut. Alexander has seen some huge holes, the Bengals have the Admirals linebacker corps, and the rushing attack has been all but shutdown. Shameful. Again I repeat: Shaun Alexander is either hurt, possibly irrevocably, or his career is at and end.
FREE THE FIELD
Hawks on top. The pass rush looks adequate. Seattle is by no means out of the woods. Leonard Weaver deserves some carries in the second half. Add a serviceable rushing attack to this team and I guarantee you have a contender.
hey pass D
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
another! third-down! letdown!
stripes
I was convinced they'd get points on that drive.
safety
ugh
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:52 PM PDT reply actions
bengals 19, seahawks 14
I have never understood
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:54 PM PDT reply actions
ROCK-EE ROCK-EE ROCK-EE
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
sack
PICKED!!!!!
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
PICKED OFF!
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
did anyone see who laid out Carson?
Whoever it was absolutely destroyed him.
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:00 PM PDT reply actions
baby steps
Did get halfway across the field, so that helps field position a bit.
Our rushing attack is no threat.
Our offense...
by dinosco on Sep 23, 2007 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
sigh...
cough
Not that he threw the ball, but I can't help but wonder how Tom Coughlin still has that job.
correction
Come on, Weaver for a series.
wow even when Shaun "breaks one"
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:17 PM PDT reply actions
resuscitate
So is he our
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
My opinion of Holmgren as a couch is less because
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:20 PM PDT reply actions
are you shitting me?
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:21 PM PDT reply actions
no video
I knew bad things would happen as soon as I heard Raible say Hasselbeck was changing the play at the line.
Wow.
How fucking unlucky are we when it comes to interceptions?
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:22 PM PDT reply actions
Crap. Damn. Crap.
End around
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:25 PM PDT reply actions
elementary
i really hope the safety doesn't come back to
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:26 PM PDT reply actions
jesus f#&$ christ
WTF hawks?!?!?!
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:28 PM PDT reply actions
NUTS!!!!
TIPPED BALLS FOR SEAHAWKS = BAD LUCK!
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:28 PM PDT reply actions
needed
ideally...
I think I just want the Seahawks to have the ball last. The Bengals can score a lot of points in a little amount of time, which reminds me of the Rams, with one main difference -- I don't hate the Bengals with every fiber of my being.
Im muting the announcers
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:36 PM PDT reply actions
Hass's fault
by dinosco on Sep 23, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
sheesh
Come on. Now it's giftwrapped. Cash in.
sigh...
meanwhile, Shaun was wide wide open
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:40 PM PDT reply actions
reset
...but how confident am I that the Seahawks will hold the Bengals out of field goal range? Holding the Bengals scoreless does require a third-down stop...
horrible kickoff brown...hate that
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:43 PM PDT reply actions
big set of downs here
...and they blew it on the first chance.
Shayne Graham isn't Josh Brown, but the Bengals more than likely have a lead after this.
We need a big play out of the defense.
two-minute drill
I'm trying to mentally prepare for Matt Hasselbeck running the two-minute drill.
Hopefully no bobbled snaps this time.
Hey, the Bengals can run the ball now. Would you look at that?
end zone or bust
Our defense is....not that good.
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:49 PM PDT reply actions
sorta moot
moot for sure...don't know why they even tried for
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
gift
Remember when Josh Brown had a fetish for that way back in the day?
another!
First down!
All RIGHT!
I'm glad I got to use the actual chant there.
crazy tipped balls
...the trap game in Cincy a few years ago.
Marvin Lewis redflagging it here...uh-oh.
Oh wow
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 3:56 PM PDT reply actions
too bad
They need 45 yards in 1:58, though they have all three timeouts.
Of course, none of it matters if they don't convert this third down. Or the fourth down after it if God forbid they don't convert on third down.
The Rams held up their end of the bargain -- I want the Seahawks to be two games up on the Rams, dammit.
Here's what we should do.
christ...
I have a bad feeling it'll be a draw play to Strong. Or a delayed handoff to Alexander.
For no gain or negative yardage, of course.
Oh, it's bad times in Redskinville right now.
Hey! Shaun gets 14!
BURLESON!!!
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:02 PM PDT reply actions
good observation
we scored to soon...I smell a loss
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:03 PM PDT reply actions
f#&$ YEAH!!!!!
Seahawks lead.
Bengals need a field goal to tie.
But the point is, that s#*$ was CLUTCH.
Hoorah Nate Burleson. It's great to see him become a big part of this offense compared to last season.
Ok, I have to address this while we have a second
sorry John
so I am sorry.
Not you actually, but...
that was GTE
century
That just kills me/us...people will look at the
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
if not for one stupid snap
we're going to be fine.
by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
whew
Now that that's over...
Was anyone lucky enough to bet heavy on the under?
Not sure what to make of this game, but glad for
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:14 PM PDT reply actions
losing Orlando Pace didn't help
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
yikes
whoever picked Deon Grant as their Hawk
Matt played good; neither pick should be on him.
by Harrison @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:27 PM PDT reply actions
I think Russell might of gotten badly hurt
that would kinda suck
I thought I saw him shaking it off, hopefully it's nothing serious.
Supposedly he just got the wind knocked out of him
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 23, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I noticed that
Holy crap.
Then the kickoff fumble happened. Needless to say I'm not invited back into the raid channel for at least 10 hours.
by TIF @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:33 PM PDT reply actions
AWESOME
by Babar @ Field Gulls on Sep 23, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck.
There just needs to be a convincing sea change by week 6. I'm not convinced we'll get it. We could. But I'm not convinced.

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