Engram's Contract Gripes
Bobby Engram has resumed whining about his contract to the media. Here is a recent article I didn't bother reading beyond the headline. There is a twisted argument going around that since we had relatively poor WR play without Engram we should acknowledge his worth and give him a deal. I think the opposite should in fact be drawn from what happened, namely:
1) The quality of this WR corps was not nearly what we, the fans, and the Seattle sports media had thought. We all thought trading away Darrell Jackson was a clear indicator we had a monster WR unit last year. Well it turned out that neither Hackett or Branch could stay healthy (something that could, SHOULD, have been inferred beforehand) and all the wunderkinds are either worthless or a long ways away (take your pick). We finally gave in and brought in McMullen and he has played quite well. Not to slam our players, but we just don't have anyone I would call a top receiver or 'matchup issue' for opposing teams. In other words, Engram has stood out by default.
2) The reason we don't want to extend Engram is because of the age/injury issue and the fact that he got hurt corroborates that concern.
Engram is important to this team but that is an issue we need to address in the draft and/or FA (or see what happens with Koren, Keary, and Billy). Throwing money at him at his age is senseless.
I am against the whining and getting an extension ploy in general. The team signed you to a contract and guaranteed you money to fix the rate at which your services could be acquired for. The Giants hit a home run signing Burress on the cheap after he had played two disappointing seasons in a row for the Steelers. They deserve to reap the rewards of taking the chance they took on him. Engram is no superstar but he does what he does well and for a low price. That is the recipe for a winning team. Every team has an all-pro or two that are getting 10 million dollars a year. It's the quality rotation player or starter who is getting peanuts that makes a team great.
Obviously I understand it is a business for both sides and if it works you might as well do it. I wonder if anyone will give Bobby a multi-year deal next year. I am pretty sure the Hawks would offer him 1 or 2 on the cheap, I wonder what else is out there. He won't be that useful or see much playing time on any other squad at his age so I would hate to see him go after so much selfless service.
That said I am stoked to see Bobby get back on the field. He DOES WHAT HE DOES very well and his rap with Hasselbeck is tangible when they are out there. Branch was amazing when healthy last year and I would love to see him get back to that quickly. Lets not forget he is still 29 and still has the potential to be the deadly weapon we so badly wanted that we traded a first rounder for him. We can start the T.J. Housh free agency posts in a few weeks if these guys go down again ( I suspect Cincy will be rebuilding and letting him go at his age), but for now its time for some Deion and Bobby like its supposed to be (even if Bobby thinks he's criminally underpaid).
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I'm inclined to agree with John's assessment of Engram.
The production we’ve seen out of him is more telling of the system than the player. Engram is a good posession receiver who runs crisp routes. There’s a bunch of those guys available. We traded a conditional pick for one.
Engram’s age has to become a problem at some point in time. I’d rather use available payroll towards resigning Hill long-term than giving Engram a big, new contract.
by BrianL on Oct 2, 2008 1:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Good thoughts
I love Engram, but we have to put the business ahead of the whining at some point. We gave Engram tons of money after his illness basically as a favor. He’s not Terrell Owens or Randy Moss and we need the money he’s asking for to do things like resign Leroy Hill.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Oct 2, 2008 4:16 PM PDT 0 recs
Gotta love bobby
but look what happened to Shawn when gave him what he wanted. No contract just gives him motivation to get out there and earn it every year.
by collyb on
Oct 2, 2008 11:22 PM PDT
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Whoa there.
I don’t buy into the idea that Shaun Alexander was dogging it every time he stepped onto the field after he got his knew contract. Shaun was a typical case of a halfback who became a victim of injuries and age. You have no idea what was going on in his head, and as such, it’s not fair to imply that Shaun got lazy. This is just as stupid as people who assume Erik Bedard is a bad teammate because he doesn’t talk to the media and doesn’t pitch while injured.
This contract argument is silly. Do you think Lofa and Marcus are dogging it now that they’ve got new deals?
by BrianL on
Oct 2, 2008 11:47 PM PDT
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Shaun was a runner who ended his runs by falling down and not taking a hit.
When he was great he ended his runs 6 yards down field by falling and not taking a hit. When he was old and slow he got about a yard behind the line of scrimmage before falling and not taking a hit. Shaun wasn’t mailing it in after he got his contract, Shaun was just old and slow after he got his contract.
by Nate Dogg on
Oct 3, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
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I agree.
I don’t think Shaun was dogging it either. The guy had carried the ball a ton of times by the time 2006 rolled around and his decline was very predictable. Obivously offensive line play was an issue as well. You really don’t know ‘why’ people do things, despite the sports media speculating about it constantly. All you know is that his play really dropped off, a lot of that is definitely wear and tear, how much of it is lack of effort? No one knows.
You can make the argument that a player will play harder when a contract is on the line, but it is totally speculative. You can make the opposite argument as well. A player may be inclined to hold back when a contract is on the line because if he has built up a strong performance resume then a down year will only hurt his stock so much. However, an injury could throw him off the map entirely. This is why he will play harder AFTER the contract because he knows if he gets hurt on the field its not nearly as drastic.
Ruskell has done a good job of bringing in guys that love to play and wouldn’t want to devote their lives to picking up checks and conning their employers and fans. Bobby’s situation is similar to that of Burress or Stephen Jackson. Even though those guys are much better at their positions, Bobby has a lot of value because he is the only guy who has worked with Hasselbeck consistently. At Hasselbeck’s age he could get hurt at any time and that may neccesitate him playing on Sunday with little or no practice time in between to build rap with younger receivers.
(Speculation Warning) He will probably leave next year under circumstances similar to those which led Hackett to leave. The money and number of years on Hackett’s deal with Carolina cannot possible have been much different from what Seattle was offering, as they only gave him 3.5/2. I believe it comes down to a matter of principle though. There is an outside offer slightly better than what Seattle is offering. Hackett feels he is an important piece on this team and has done his part and earned his pay. The fact that the team won’t match leads him to leave as a matter of principle. I think this is ultimately a lot worse for Hackett because he is now a #3 wideout in Carolina while he would have started here. That chance means he could earn himself a big payday in a year or two if he stays healthy. That may not happen but it is upside that is worth taking in exchange for a small paycut.
I see the same happening with Bobby. No one is going to pay him like the 1200 yard 6 td numbers he garnered in 2007. Seattle will probably offer 2 million / 1 year. We don’t see him lasting much longer but want the insurance policy should all the other unprovens not pan out. Another team will give him 4 / 2 or something to ride the pine and he’ll take it.
by michaelfox99 on
Oct 3, 2008 9:02 AM PDT
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Engram like Ibanez
Both are solid, hard-working players who are role-models for how to carry yourself off the field and with teammates. Both are too old to reward with contracts for what they’ve accomplished in the past.
The only thing with Engram is that he should be told exactly that; “We appreciate your contribution and would love for you to be a part of the team going forward [in 2009]. However, we feel that you’re asking for more than what we believe to be your market value. Test free agency after the season and if you are still interested in being a Seahawk, come see us; in the meantime, have a great year Bobby.”
by Azimeir on Oct 6, 2008 12:45 AM PDT 0 recs










