Game Thread: Seahawks @ Giants 2
by John Morgan on Oct 5, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
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Seattle is getting stomped by what looks like a superior opponent. Right now, it's hard to see another win. Ever. But no matter how bad things get, you do not give up and you do not turn on each other. Ever.
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It seems like Tru is doing okay
They don’t seem to be throwing his way very often.
Seattle Football
Hasn’t been doing so hot lately.
Seattle [Insert Sports Team Here]
Hasn’t been doing so hot lately.
If this game ends in a loss, I'm wondering if Ruskell is going to go back into panic mode
and make wholesale changes to some part of the team again.
I agree
John Marshall sucks, and should have been fired after the Greenbay game last year.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 5, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not over
No matter the outcome of this game, the NFC West is still a shitty division. We can still win!
If you can find something else
to get excited about, let me know.
Last I checked
the players play the game… and the long balls are on double moves… the players are there, but are being outplayed… the secondary is being outplayed. That is all around. Let’s play man up and see how well we match up… Their size and height advantage then dominate us in a more “slow death” type way and they can then isolate Steve Smith on Babs or Russell… We don’t have players… same coach took you to the superbowl… just saying… players make plays… not coaches.
It is what it is...
But if the plays don't work why keep running with them?
And use the enter key.
I'm overreacting, I admit it.
But really, how many times do we have to fall behind so badly, so early, on the road that we’re out of it by the the start of the second quarter?
We have immense talent in the secondary, and they’ve gleefully blown coverages almost as a matter of policy in 3 of this year’s 4 games. I’m sick of it.
I realize saying a season is over is now cause for dismissal on Field Gulls, but come on, guys.
--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog
You have my sympathy.
We’re lucky that we only have to watch it once.
Here is what I don't understand...
Do we have untalented players playing a good scheme, or do we have talented players in a crappy scheme?
Seems to me that we have a lot of talent that isn’t put in a position to succeed.
The talent is there
so it’s either poor execution by good talent, or shitty play calling.
well, one pre-season assessment is wrong
the defense will not carry this team. The offense is going to have to do everything
Panic mode.
But I think they may have been concerned about his torn pec in regards to tackling as well…
If Plack is the one making the tackles
something has gone horribly, horribly wrong in the coverage.
this NYG possession is big
at least IMO.
they need to force the first punt of the game
defense looks like UW
This is the most pathetic display of secondary defense. Josh Wilson is getting burned on almost every single play. And Brian Russell is getting beat deep too many times.
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
A three and out?
are you kidding me?!
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 11:57 AM PDT reply actions
Based on a sample size of five games
I have determined that Jim Zorn is a hall of fame coach.
LOL... no
I hear ya… but I’m excited for his success. I wish we had kept him. His personality fits NFL coach, IMHO.
It is what it is...
Julius Jones is the only bright spot today
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
wow so deion is already out for the day! Gimme a break
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:01 PM PDT reply actions
This team is a bunch of injured pussies
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:01 PM PDT reply actions
have you seen how many injuries there are?
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply actions
okay that was ridiculous
what with the schoolyardy hand motioning and then the bullet STRAIGHT to Dockery.
Rightio.
At this point, it’s probably best to start pulling the regulars.
It's a year almost to the day after the Steelers game last year.
It reminds me very heavily of that game — except this one is somehow uglier. Wow.
Seahawks must really hate Holmgren
to be playing like this his final year.
Mike
Maybe Mike will decide to stick around and then Jim Mora can go take Ty Willinghams job
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
How about a Charlie Frye sighting. he looked good in preseason
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
The D is playing with some heart still.
Finally getting some nice plays (although to be fair, the Giants are focusing on running the clock now).
Another punt.
At least they didn’t get any points off of that pick.
You might want to consider using the 'reply' feature.
Makes the threads easier to follow.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 5, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
the D line's true talent is mediocre/average
I think it’s time to re-assess, based on competition with good teams like GB and New York
and the secondary seems to be a problem as well
i think our defense may not be as good as we thought
I'm surprised
we would not want to at least give Red a try… he is a bigger body. Maybe next week.
It is what it is...
The whole defense is ranked near the bottom in the league, especially the pass defense
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
The rush defense was pretty good before this game.
Afterwards, though… the DVOA numbers aren’t gonna be pretty for this one.
Yeah, this has been absolute domination.
Seattle will sink towards the bottom. I have trouble thinking they don’t deserve it.
I have trouble thinking this is a talent issue, because that sort of turnaround would be hard to fathom.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 5, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That much regression across the board?
I can’t believe it’s purely talent. What’s going on? Execution? Play calling?
It's got to be a combination of all three.
The talent level has regressed to a certain extent, I’m sure, but this has just been too ugly to be classified as anything other than a complete and total disaster.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 5, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see that either.
I really don’t understand what’s going on with the secondary. I think they might be playing more zone in hopes of forcing interceptions. It’s not working.
If that's the case
doesn’t John Marshall have to take some heat for not adjusting the scheme?
Yeah, if they had the same stuff that NBC has for the Sunday Night game for every game
that would be awesome. Although if John spends that much time on the breakdown as it is…
Bush and Clinton team up
stop folding your arms, H.W, you look annoyed
ugh....
Living in northern california i only get to watch i only get to watch a few games a year. I can’t honestly remember the last time i have seen a seahawk win on tv
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
I'm curious to read John's analysis to see what he thinks of Lock
I’ve seen him looking bad and flailing a few times…
That's what I'm assuming.
That’s one thing about all the guys returning from injury, it sounds like a panacea, but these guys aren’t up to speed yet.
I can already anticipate what I'm going to see on the tape.
“How did that guy get so open?”
“Wait, how did that guy get so open?”
well i cant blog about something i cant see....
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
thanks guys...
Im new to the board guys, so thanks for letting me bitch a little bit about the game with all of you. Hopefully we can pull it together next week at home. Go hawks!
by SacramentoSeahawk on Oct 5, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply actions
I'm starting a petition
For Julian Peterson to change his number back.
It's kind of a stupid secondary concern...
… but unless the ‘hawks turn this season around in a big way, you can probably kiss Lofa’s pro bowl streak goodbye. A big national game like this and a terrible performance like this…
So You're saying
He used to rub you the right way?
Fair enough
I’ll work on my sarcasm… it is how I deal with my disappointment… I’ll take it somewhere else. Well stated.
It is what it is...
David Carr just threw a touchdown.
If we needed a better epitaph for this game.
Really a bad weekend for PacNW football in general.
Sad week when the bright spot is the M’s season being over.
Yuck.
I am really starting to wonder what this offense will look like next year. Because this WCO thing is not working out.
The WCO thing has worked extraordinarily well for us over the years.
Suddenly two bad games out of four makes you question if the system won’t work for this team?
Exactly.
Overreacting from another crappy road game when our starting receivers are coming back from missing 4 weeks (plus training camp for Branch) is a bit much.
Yes.
Two? This WCO hasn’t really worked all that efficiently since 2005.
And that had nothing to do with the MVP running back falling off the face of the earth
Not to mention that it was pretty good last year when we went Air Holmgren.
I agree
But it’s not the WCO’s fault is what I’m saying.
today's defenses are based on stopping the short passing game
The 3-4 and the zone blitz work very well against the WCO.
I’m not saying it’s ONLY the WCO that’s the problem, though.
The offensive scheme seemed to work well today
The dang receivers kept dropping balls that hit them in the hands. And they would have been big plays too.
by EA on Oct 5, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
they dropped them
because coverage was ridiculously tight and Matt had to squeeze the ball in there…. it’s tough to catch when the ball’s coming in hot and there are two DB’s in your face.
Matt looked good, he just had no chance.
Receivers can't drop balls that hit them in the hands
No scheme can work when that happens.
by EA on Oct 5, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
wait, what?
what standard are you applying for “efficiently”?
Hasselbeck had a career year last year. Against mediocre defenses,, but a career year.
Only because he had to...
…because we couldn’t run worth a damn.
That kind offense wasn’t going to win us much in the playoffs.
WCO is not the problem
at all. Hasselbeck’s good. Don’t mess with a good thing. The receivers aren’t good, but they are fungible.
if this was the game of all eternity
we’re screwed
At least
We’re not the only good team struggling. Check out the Colts getting decimated by the Texans.
It's kind of a weird season.
Seahawks are struggling, Colts struggling, Pats without Brady and starting to struggle (although that was just one game against the Dolphins…). Steelers winning ugly ugly. This is a year with some shakeup potential.
Let's not abandon ship
They were a good team coming into this year.
i agree, there are many games left in t he season
a 2 game winning streaks brings us right back into things
After this game hopefully the Seahawks will have some confidence left.
If life gives you lemons, keep the receipt
And assuming that the Pats and Bills take care of business
we’re still in the hunt for the division. Not that that has anything to do with the quality of the Seahawks.
I never intended to abandon anything...
But when you’re 1-3 and your win was against the worst team in football and the three losses consist of two rapings and a home loss to a champion of mediocrity (at best) it’s probably time to call it what it is; until proven otherwise on the field, the 2008-2009 Seahawks suck.
And it pains me to say.
If they arn't going to the playoffs, they aren't playing in 2009.
That’d be merely the “2008 Seahawks.”
However, I still have hope. Not to progress past the wild card round of the playoffs, per se, but to win the NFC West. The Niners, Cards, and Rams are horrible.
I figured this would happen
Game after bye week = Doom.
Early east coast game = Doom.
Combine the two? Total disaster.
Hass
Does anyone know how many more year Hass is in contract or how old is he?
What’s the future in QB?
It may be time to draft his heir apparent
Just not sure there is anyone that is worth a pick in next years draft. We need a safety, corner, and T.
It is what it is...
He's not, but drafting a QB might not be a bad idea.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 5, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We have bigger needs
And I think Seneca and Frye are serviceable backups.
I’d be much more inclined to draft offensive line.
Seneca and Frye are simply backups
it’s nearing the point where we should think about drafting a potential franchise quarterback.
I think Matt's got two or three years left
And I’d rather fix the line first.
Maybe we can do both…
Getting a QB ready to start can take 2-3 years.
J.K.L.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 5, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
I just have a feeling we’ll find the new QB through a trade, like we did Hass.
Hass was a bit of a unique situation.
Holmgren drafted him while in Green Bay, then traded for him after he came to Seattle.
True again.
I really wonder who’s going to run the offense next year…
Greg Knapp probably.
I thought maybe that would be out the window when the Raiders were interviewing him to replace Kiffin, but they went with Tom Cable instead.
why Knapp, necessarily?
I don’t know much about the guy.
He was the OC for the 49ers when Mora was the DC
And accompanied Mora in Atlanta.
Holmgren seemed like he would always draft a QB very late in the draft
and see if he could make something of the guy. He hit gold with Hass. If he had been able to continue doing this we might have something by now.
by EA on Oct 5, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If there really is something about west coast teams struggling when traveling to the east coast
perhaps the NFL needs to re-evaluate game-times in those games.
I don't think an east coast trip
constitutes a 40 point swing. This is just Seahawks suck right now.
I'm not blaming the trip entirely for this loss
but if it is causing a competitive imbalance, the NFL needs to address it.
it's not the first time we've lost on the east coast
he wasn’t justifying this one loss
This is an excuse....
That losing teams make and prevents them from admitting, identifying, and correcting the real problems.
Okay, let me break this down for you.
“If traveling to the east coast puts west coast teams at a competitive disadvantage, the NFL should look into and consider changing the start time of games.” != "The Seahawks lost because they traveled to the east coast.
Is there anything to substantiate the question?
What we know is that the Hawks are bad on east coast trips. There are several other teams on the west coast, do they struggle as well?
And at what point do people start arguing that teams coming to Seattle...
… are losing because of having to travel all the way up here?
I think the argument is made that West Coast teams are at a disadvantage
because they lose three hours, whereas East Coast teams gain three hours traveling west.
I’m not saying that this is true or false, just something interesting that would be worth investigating further.
West Coast Teams...
Have been playing on the East Coast for decades and suddenly a 40-point beat down of the Seahawks raises a question of competitive imbalance in the year 2008? How is it that the 49ers were the most dominant team in football in the ’90’s specializing in winning on the road? Could the disadvantage in the ’Hawks playing on the road (having to travel far) be in anyway balanced by the fact that they have one of the best home records (where teams must travel just as far to get here)?
Competitive imbalance? There’s supposed to be a competitive imbalance. You are implying that it is harder to fly all the way across the country west to east than east to west which is ridiculous especially since it was never ‘discovered’ until this fateful day. It’s an excuse; just like when Denver couldn’t win in domes in the late ’80’s early ’90’s. Just like the Cubs are ‘cursed’.
Call off the dogs.
It’s an honest question. Why would anyone need to make excuses for Seattle? We are not personally accountable for their play.
There is nothing wrong with Matt
He is an upper tier quarterback and will recover from this loss.
by giant fan since 57 on Oct 5, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
Our Defense
Is more concerning. They’ve taken a big step back this year.
the defense would be at least OK
If we could maintain an offensive drive for more than three plays.
Wow...
Rosenfels just threw the worst pass ever.
Amazing.
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