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The great failure of the Tim Ruskell era

If we end this Seahawks renaissance without a Super Bowl title -- as it appears more and more likely we will do -- there will be one great failure, and one great failure alone, that we can point to as the source.

Tim Ruskell's hubris.

Undoubtedly, Ruskell has done some great things in building this team. HIs ability to spot and draft talent in the defensive front seven has been nothing short of spectacular. And his aggressiveness in dealing with weaknesses on the offense has been admirable.

But his inability to evaluate talent in the secondary -- which increasingly resembles Bill Bavasi's skill at evaluating pitchers with each passing game -- will be this team's undoing.

When Ruskell was hired, he was left with Mike Holmgren's mess on the defense, so it was understandable for the first two years that it would take some time to shore it up. He made wise draft choices with Lofa Tatupu and Leroy Hill, then signed Julian Peterson, Rocky Beranard and Chuck Darby. The front seven became formidable overnight, while the secondary would have to wait for another day.

That day came in the 2006 draft, when Ruskell would begin building his secondary, which can be considered nothing short of a colossal failure.

He drafted Kelly Jennings and Josh Wilson in consecutive years. He shipped off Michael Boulware and Ken Hamlin, signing Deon Grant Brian Russell. And what do we have to show for it? A secondary that arguably is no better -- and possibly worse -- than it was when Ruskell took over.

He hit a home run with Grant, but the other three have proved nothing more than showing beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don't belong anywhere near a starting lineup in the NFL.

You might think I'm asking Ruskell to have been perfect. That's not the case. People miss in the draft, and miss with free agent signings. No, the most damning fact is that there's no one else on the roster better than that trio, even as the most common Seahawk fan could observe in 2007 that this secondary needed help.

Some might argue that the issue is John Marshall, who is in charge a defense with four Pro Bowlers that just gave up 44 points -- thanks only to the mercy of the Giants. But I'd argue that it matters not who's calling the plays when the offense can count on at least one receiver being open on every single play.

Ultimately, we must blame Ruskell's hubris, which has clouded his judgement. He watched Jennings get abused last year and thought he was going to develop into a competent starting corner. He was very, very wrong, as Jennings' size has become an extreme liability, and after two-plus years in the league, he still is getting burned on routine double moves.

He thought Wilson was a steal in the second round, but he seems to do little more than rely on his athleticism.

And like the fading veterans the Mariners seem to have a fondness of, Russell is in the midst of his final job in the NFL -- he'll fade off into retirement whenever the Seahawks realize he's the worst starting safety in the league.

All this was painfully obvious last season, yet Ruskell didn't even attempt to make a move at upgrading the secondary in the offseason. He was determined to do it with his guys, who have all proven to be colossal failures.

We may yet see the Seahawks in another Super Bowl, but the best days of this current core of players are now behind them, sabotaged by the man we all worship as the resurrector of our franchise. For as adept as he has been at drafting talent in the defensive front seven, he's exceeded that in futility with the secondary.

Everyone will remember the departure of Steve Hutchinson as the big blunder of Ruskell's tenure, but I'd argue it's the inability to place a productive secondary behind a more than adequate front seven that should be his lasting legacy.

-- Jeff Nusser
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I'll just take issue with one portion of this reactionary fanpost.
But his inability to evaluate talent in the secondary — which increasingly resembles Bill Bavasi’s skill at evaluating pitchers with each passing game — will be this team’s undoing.

This is a secondary that performed remarkably well last year, but for some unknown reason has regressed this year (and right now I’m more than willing to chalk what we’ve seen up to a small sample size discrepancy).

Isn’t four games out of a 16 game season a bit early to be comparing Ruskell to Bavasi?

by BrianL on Oct 5, 2008 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprisingly well?

In 2007, this team was 20th overall in passing yards allowed per game, and just above the median in yards per attempt. If you’re talking compared to expectations, perhaps. If you’re talking compared to other teams, no way.

Can you refute my point that he has been surprisingly ineffective at adding talent to the secondary? I count Deon Grant as his one positive contribution. Maybe I’m missing something.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here it goes

Seattle’s secondary was ranked 14th in DVOA last year. Specifically to your point though, they were ranked 18th against second WR’s. Thats slightly below average with a second year corner in his first year starting. Jennings gave up size last year but showed great coverage skills, and the regression of those skills is something that no one could have predicted. Brian Russell was ineffective last year, but it had something to do with the reactionary anti-Boulware role he was put into. This year he’s not only ineffective he’s horrendous, and while his decline should not surprise anyone the degree of it should.

Not to mention your argument is inherently flawed. Name the super stars in the Giants secondary? There are none and thats because they don’t need them. Look at the big names in the Denver back field. Dre Bly, Champ Bailey, John Lynch last year. But the Giants D is suffocating and the Denver D is porous and you don’t need to look any further than the two teams lines. A dominate front 4 will cover up for a weak secondary, a dominate secondary is nothing without a pass rush. Give me the GM that builds his front seven over the GM that builds his secondary any day.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 5, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so

our front seven are poor then?

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Oct 5, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way

This is hardly reactionary. This was a well thought out, well reasoned post, that none of you have refuted with any kind of rational argument. Tell me where I’m wrong with something other than “THIS IS REACTIONARY!”

Just because it came in the wake of a loss does not make it reactionary. Reactionary would be calling for Mike Holmgren to be fired. This is merely stating that Tim Ruskell has a major hole in his game, and it’s going to kill this team.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When a post like this comes after a game like today's

(A game that is only four games into the season)

It is going to come off as reactionary. Perhaps you should wait a few days to process all of this before posting?

by BrianL on Oct 5, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been thinking about this since last year

The fact that we were this bad, against a team without its top receiver, after a bye week … well, I didn’t think I needed a few days to point out the obvious.

Like I said, just because it comes the same day doesn’t make it reactionary. And quit saying it’s only four games into the season. Football is, by nature, a small sample size sport. This would be like making an observation about a team’s potential Achilles heel 40 games into a major league baseball season — mid-May, in terms of the calendar. We are far enough in to draw some conclusions, and after four games, this secondary is awful.

Maybe it will turn around. I sure hope so. But it looks like more of a talent issue than anything else. And let me tell you — as a Coug, I can spot talent issues A MILE AWAY.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with using a 4 game sample size

is that another game can wildly swing the statistics another direction. A shutout next week would put the defense into the middle of the pack.

by BrianL on Oct 5, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly where did I cite statistics?

I didn’t. I was making a talent evaluation based off of a series of observations.

And if our defense shuts out the Packers next week … [wait, I have to stop giggling] … then you can call me out in a big way.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

::sigh::

Let’s play a little logic game.

Over the next four games, the Seahawks go 3-1 and the secondary produces seven interceptions and forces six fumbles during that span. After that 4th game I triumphantly declare that the Seahawks have a fantastic secondary and Tim Ruskell’s legacy will live through the defensive backfield.

Then one game after that the defense gets lit up for 37 points and I look like an idiot.

Strange things happen in small windows of games. It’s rare that these small samples can provide enough insight into an individual player, let alone an entire defensive unit. You simply can’t make these assertions based on a 4 game sample.

What you can say is that adjustments need to be made. The defense can’t rely on so many zone packages and needs to smartly mix some blitzes in there. A new safety that can cover some ground will help our young corners (who have only been in the league for a few seasons).

What you can’t say is that TIm Ruskell has assembled a bunch of talentless hacks and his legacy is forever going to be tarnished because they played poorly in 3 out of 4 games (and one of those games was lost by the special teams unit).

by BrianL on Oct 5, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again ...

Don’t you think if there was a safety on the roster who could help our “young corners” out, he’d be playing right now? And with regards to the “four games” thing you keep harping on, see the comment below. This is not four games with this unit. We’re up to 20 now — a pretty significant sample size, if you ask me.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That secondary hasn't shown up yet this season

They were torched by Trent Edwards and JTO. The Rams … don’t count. I think the point Nuss is trying to make here is that everyone knew that the secondary was the weakest link in the defense last season, and nothing was done to improve it.

We heard nothing but “OH blah blah blah, all 11 starters are back, that is gonna make this secondary fabulous.”

Not only do those guys not have the chemestry everyone was raving about, (has anyone else noticed them chirping at each other over whose at fault for blown coverages?), but they don’t have enough talent to make up for that lack either.

I would submit that people on this site have been bitching about the secondary all season, this post just happens to lay it all on the line and point the finger at Ruskell.

by Jo-Jo on Oct 5, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sabermetrics aren't nearly as predictive in football as they are in baseball.

Baseball is by nature a stat head’s dream while football is their worst nightmare.

Why sweat the petty stuff when you can pet the sweaty stuff?

by Big Jared on Oct 5, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I was agreeing with you.

Why sweat the petty stuff when you can pet the sweaty stuff?

by Big Jared on Oct 5, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOT FOUR GAMES

20.

(I guess I’m hoping that if I say it enough times, someone will see it.)

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's your best response?

To cut and go when somebody actually uses statistics to back up their point? Boy, you’re more awesome than I thought.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My roomate walked in as I was reading this

His response? Trying to stop stupid on the internet is like trying to stop the Columbia river with a stick. I’m not really one to disregard someone without trying to explain why they’re wrong, but it’s been a long day. I’m just going to go with this:

by Nate Dogg on Oct 5, 2008 6:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that sums up everything I'd like to say about today's bitching and moaning.

I love how a GM can have a great track record and three bad games will have fans calling for his head.

Where’s John’s paypal account? He’s going to need a few cold ones after dealing with all the bitching and moaning today.

by BrianL on Oct 5, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't call for his head

If you read the post as you say you did, you’d know that. I merely said that his inability to add talent to our secondary is a blight on his record. He’s done a marvelous job overall. But this is one that sticks out like a sore thumb.

And this is not small sample size. This is three games out of four that our defense has been torched. Incidentally, the three games we played against teams not named the St. Louis Rams.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian

if you are going to accuse, please use a position to do so. Evan DVAR and DVOA are based on samples, and are “relative”. Fact is, THIS IS A BLOG; where opinions count. I am beginning to wonder if there is more to Ruskell than just the secondary. And no, I am not referring to this loss. I am referring to the ‘way’ we lose when we lose. We lose by getting mauled more often than not. We would not fair well in the AFC East, NFC East, NFC South. We are built to beat the 1999 Rams.

Fun factoid that I stole from a commentor via TNT:

"Well, this game brings the Seahawks record to 3-25 under Holmgren and 2-21 with Hasselbeck as the starter in road games against teams that finish the year with a winning record.

The whole run under Holmgren/Hasselbeck looks fraudulent when you consider these records. "

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2008/10/05/p32093#more32093

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Oct 5, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three games is an extremely small sample size.

At the very least you need a full season worth of data to make any concrete assertions about the defense.

by BrianL on Oct 5, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is that four games is not enough reason

to declare that Tim Ruskell is a terrible secondary talent evaluator akin to Bill Bavasi’s ineptitude in evaluating pitching talent.

by BrianL on Oct 5, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And two years of Jennings and Wilson

is not enough time to declare them busts. Trufant struggled up until last year, give these guys a little more time and a safety behind them and lets see what they can do.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 5, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two years from now, this window will be closed

And we’ll be wondering why we couldn’t get over the hump. That’s all I’m saying.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ruskell is NOT Destro

Ruskell did in fact get to a Super Bowl while Bavasi never seriously approached even making the playoffs.
Timmy may not be perfect but he isn’t the professionally inept joke that Bavasi is.

Why sweat the petty stuff when you can pet the sweaty stuff?

by Big Jared on Oct 5, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tim Thompson & Mike Holmgren & Tim Ruskell

made the superbowl. two decent draft picks do not a superbowl make.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Oct 5, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tim or Tom

man, I need to get my facts straight… LOL

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Oct 5, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And again ...

I’m citing back to last year. If you want to try and say last year’s secondary performed surprisingly well, perhaps you should consider that Seattle’s schedule included San Francisco (twice, No. 32 in the NFL in passing yards), Carolina (No. 29), Baltimore (No. 23), Pittsburgh (No. 22), St. Louis (twice, No. 19), Atlanta (No. 18), Tampa Bay (No. 16, but considerably worse than that in game one), and Philadelphia (with A.J. Feely at the helm). That’s 11 of the 16 games the Seahawks played last year against average-to-league worst passing offenses.

In the other five games against teams in the top half of the league in passing yards last year — Arizona (No. 5), Cincinnati (No. 7), New Orleans (No. 3), Cleveland (No. 12), and Chicago (No. 15) — we yielded an average of 317.6 passing yards.

Please, tell me how I’m wrong on that one, how I’m only looking at small sample sizes.

In fact, when you consider how many bad passing offenses we faced last year, it’s pretty much unreasonable to conclude anything other than our pass defense wasn’t very good last year, either. So now we’re working on 20 games of observations, aren’t we?

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprising from you, being a coug fan......

I think this post is pretty spot on. Everyone wants to send Russell out to pasture but the bottom line is Jennings and to a lesser extent, Wilson have been dreadful as well.

I think to imply anything close to this being the lasting impression of the Ruskell era might be a bit of an overstatement though.

I'd like to kick Josh Brown in the privates!

by The Manchild on Oct 5, 2008 6:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks! (I think!)

In all seriousness, though, I wasn’t trying to suggest this would be the lasting impression of the Ruskell era. I was merely pointing out that this could very well be what we point to when trying to figure out how this core never won a Super Bowl.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to post something like this

at least have the balls to stick to it.

The great failure of the Tim Ruskell era
But his inability to evaluate talent in the secondary … will be this team’s undoing
sabotaged by the man we all worship as the resurrector of our franchise.

And the zinger:

I’d argue it’s the inability to place a productive secondary behind a more than adequate front seven that should be his lasting legacy.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 5, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, there's no need to be mean

You’re right. I forgot I worded the ending that way. Like I said, I more meant it in terms of what we think of when we try to figure out what went wrong. But I see how it reads, and I see how it doesn’t read like what I meant. My bad.

by Nuss on Oct 5, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the end...

all analysis is subjective to the observer. What the observer wishes to portray, can be portrayed. We can avoid bad statistics by commenting off East Coast, or weather, or biorythims (sp?)… in the end, reality wins.

We can justify anything, because, as Einstein basically summed up, everything but light if realitive. Even light is relative is you remove mass. Alas, we are mass… reality sucks, huh.

Seattle is a quick, undersized, and occassionally, dominant team. It has great pieces to the puzzle. I love being a Seattle fan. I love this site. I just wish, when a fair opinion is stated, that we would take it at face value and enjoy the comment.

LIfe, when broken down to numbers, loses context to reality, and becomes obsolete.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Oct 5, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree totally with what you wrote, but I thought it was well thought out

and well written, and definitely deserves some consideration for being true.
As for me, I can only conclude that small sample size or not, there is something wrong with this team (and by wrong I don’t mean it’s a failure, I mean that I don’t feel confident that it has a decent chance at a superbowl), I’m just not sure what it is.
Also, I’ve never been a huge Ruskell fan, but I think it must be a combination of his secondary talent evaluation, our mix of talent, and our defensive coordinator?

by LantermanC on Oct 5, 2008 7:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's see if I can respond to this in fifteen minutes.
If we end this Seahawks renaissance without a Super Bowl title — as it appears more and more likely we will do — there will be one great failure, and one great failure alone, that we can point to as the source.

Tim Ruskell’s hubris.

This is not an argument, it’s an assessment of character. What is called an ad hominem attack. You don’t know Tim Ruskell. You don’t know his character. And you don’t know how his character influences his management.

The above accusation is the thrust of your argument, but it’s not really an argument at all.

He made wise draft choices with Lofa Tatupu and Leroy Hill, then signed Julian Peterson, Rocky Beranard and Chuck Darby. The front seven became formidable overnight, while the secondary would have to wait for another day.

This bends time and defies facts. Hill and Tatupu came from the 2005 draft. Bernard was already with the team. He was re-signed. Darby was a role player at best. Peterson signed in 2006. Seattle’s front seven was not dominant in 2005 and was, in fact, bad in 2006. By the time Peterson was signed, Jennings had already been drafted, defying the second sentence. Seattle’s front seven didn’t become dominant until 2007, with the signing of Kerney. It was close in 2005, but that was with Tubbs another non-Ruskell player.

Finally let’s talk about the secondary.

At the end of 2004, Seattle’s secondary was:
LCB 23 M.Trufant
RCB 21 K.Lucas
SS 28 M.Boulware
FS 26 K.Hamlin

Predictably, it was scorched by the Rams. Trufant was still green, only in his second season. Lucas left after signing a 6 year 36 million dollar contract with Carolina. He has spent much of his time in Carolina on the bench or playing nickel.

In 2005, Seattle signed Andre Dyson to replace Lucas and signed Kelly Herndon to play slot. Dyson missed much of 2005, and Herndon was overmatched starting. Despite a strong team overall, Seattle’s pass defense was 25th in the NFL. It would end the season:

LCB 21 A.Dyson
RCB 23 M.Trufant
SS 28 M.Boulware
FS 33 M.Manuel

Seattle has since added: Deon Grant, Kelly Jennings, Josh Wilson and Brian Russell. Only Russell is a true step down from the person he replaced. In 2007, Seattle’s pass defense DVOA was 14th, the best of the Mike Holmgren era. Jennings is 25, has started only 20 games on a position, corner, proven to have a very long learning curve. In 2007, Jennings was a very stable corner, actually being targeted on fewer passes than Marcus Trufant. He is excellent in coverage, and I can think readily of games he’s all but disappeared his assignment. You’re assessment that Jennings is a “colossal failure” is not only untrue, it’s not cognizant of the normal maturation time for a young corner. Wilson has played in 16 games, mostly on special teams. He’s little more than a rookie. Again, calling him a “colossal failure” lacks recognition of Wilson’s actual play and the normal maturation time for a corner. It also misses the basic fact that Seattle went from old, expensive and mediocre to young, cheap and promising.

You don’t support your argument. You seem to think inflated language and hyperbole constitute an argument.

by John Morgan on Oct 6, 2008 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

pretty much

I’m no expert, but calling 2nd and 3rd year players “colossal failures” smacks of hyperbole.

Corner is such an easy position to badmouth… it’s easy to forget that all corners get beat, and it’s easy not to notice the fact that poor safety play or lack of a pass rush probably has more to do with getting beat deep than the quality of the corner’s actual play.

There’s also the factor of the coaching staff, too…

by djafrot on Oct 6, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I tried to keep it under 15 minutes, too, but I’m afraid I failed miserably. :-)

First of all, thanks for taking the time to respond in a reasoned, cogent manner. You’ve definitely opened my eyes to some aspects of this I hadn’t thought of.

For example, I’m a total stat geek — basketball is more my specialty — but I wasn’t even aware of DVOA. After spending the last 30 minutes or so researching it, it makes a lot of sense in terms of evaluating performance. I can now use that.

But at the risk of sounding like I’m just trying to stir things up — which I assure you I’m not; as a manager of a blog at SB Nation, I’m sympathetic to your desire to keep the knucklehead element down — I think you’ve also twisted at least one statement, and there’s another statement I feel the need to clarify because I don’t think I worded it clearly. Then, I’ll address the hubris thing.

I never said the 2005 front seven was dominant. I said it became “formidable.” Compared to where it was pre-2005, that’s an accurate statement. The 2004 DVOA for the defense was 6 percent worse than average — 22nd overall. In 2005, the defense was nearly 10 percent better than the year before — 3.5 percent better than average, and No. 15 overall.

Now, I suppose we could argue about whether that was due to the addition of talent or the fact that the offense was spectacular in 2005 — +23.4 percent, No. 3 overall, compared to just +2.6 percent in ’04 — taking the pressure off the defense, but the fact remains that there was a tangible difference between 2004 and 2005. The offense deserves some of the credit, but I choose to chalk the bulk of the improvement up to the talent Ruskell added in the front seven.

Lofa was a starter from day one, and to say that Darby was a “role player at best” ignores the fact that he started 14 games to Barnard’s six, and was important in that rotation. And while I did misspeak on Peterson — my bad — I neglected to mention Bryce Fisher and his nine sacks, which were added in 2005. LeRoy Hill did not make an immediate impact, but he became a force as the year went on and ended up starting nine games. That’s a pretty big difference from Kacyvenski, Huff, Simmons, Brown, Woodard and Okeafor.

So, if we go back to my original point, it’s hardly arguable that the front seven in ‘05 was certainly more formidable than it had been in ’04. If you consider “formidable” synonymous with “dominant,” that’s on you, not on my writing.

Second, I probably should not have used the “colossal failure” phrase twice, as I meant it more in the spirit of how I used it first:

That day came in the 2006 draft, when Ruskell would begin building his secondary, which can be considered nothing short of a colossal failure.

Of course it’s far to early to judge both as failures in the sense of the entirety of their careers. Both may end up being fine NFL players. But they’re not right now, and that’s what matters when we talk about this potentially closing window. (I suppose we could argue whether our window is actually closing, but that’s probably a post for another day. :-) ) In terms of what they’ve produced thus far for a team that we all believe has the talent to be a Super Bowl contender, that has been a failure. I understand that a guy cannot learn to be a starting corner in the league without being a starting corner, but the “learning curve” thing starts to ring a little hollow when a guy looks so frequently overmatched against mediocre receivers. On a purely subjective level, I just don’t see the athletic ability to compete at the highest level from Jennings. Perhaps I will be proved wrong over time.

And I think you’re a bit off base in just assuming that what we’ve got now (young, cheap and promising) is better than what we had (old, expensive and mediocre). It might be better in terms of the future — might — but it’s not doing a whole lot now, and I think a strong argument can be made that last year’s performance might have had as much to do with improved pressure on the quarterback as an improved ability to cover guys.

I’m arguing that Ruskell, as the general manager, should have been able to see that we still needed to add talent in the secondary. Again, maybe Jennings and Wilson will yet prove to be good starting cornerbacks this year. But it does not look good right now with the team in a 1-3 hole and those guys having gotten torched by every team not named St. Louis.

Finally, onto the hubris statement. Hubris is defined as an act of excessive pride. To me, the only reasonable explanation for him not doing more to upgrade the secondary heading into this season is an unshakable and flawed belief in the guys he drafted and signed as free agents. My statement was not meant to be an act of character assassination; because all all of us can be considered guilty of an act of hubris in our lifetime, I meant it more as a pointed observation of why I believe he didn’t do more to improve the secondary. You could argue that the use of the word “hubris” was over the top, and you’d probably have a good argument. But my point still remains that Ruskell should have known better, and I’m searching for explanations.

Anyway, thanks for hearing me out, and thanks for providing a place for us to talk about this stuff. I appreciate it. Hopefully, I haven’t ruined my ability to be heard out in the future.

by Nuss on Oct 6, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pressure on the quarterback

leads to statistical excellence in the defensive back field. As an average corner myself, I can attest to this first hand; pressure on the quarterback makes an average DB look great. No pressure on the quarterback makes an average DB toast.

That is what we are seeing here. In 2005 The Seahawks lead the NFL in sacks and that carried an average defensive backfield through an epidemic of injuries only toppled by that of this season receiving core. It was there in 2007, but it just isn’t there this season.

These backs aren’t great; Tru is good, Russell is bad, but the rest are just average. In the NFL, a quarterback makes his living on time in the pocket against average defensive backs. Now, we could go on and on about the scheme’s and how to use the right personnel, but the success of football is in the trenches. In the past this team has succeeded with a below average secondary, hell Pete Hunter played for the ‘Hawks in the Super Bowl, but if this team doesn’t start putting consistent pressure on the Quarterback, those guys don’t stand a chance.

by Jo-Jo on Oct 7, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A strong pass rush covers a multitude of coverage sins

Those sins have not been covered this year. I will say this, though — on Sunday, I think you can chalk at least some of what happened up to the developing savvy of Eli Manning. He seems to have learned a bit from big bro in terms of sidestepping a rush to buy that extra fraction of a second. He just looks so darned composed in the pocket, and there were at least a few times on Sunday that the Hawks looked like they were going to get there, only to watch Manning just barely elude the rush and compete a big pass.

Maybe it will turn out that Sunday had more to do with the Giants’ offensive line and Manning’s ability than our secondary. Time will tell, I suppose.

by Nuss on Oct 7, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note from a constant reader but non-poster

Nice response, John — When I read the original post, my take was mixed.

On the positive side, the point that our pass defense has been mostly bad with occasional outbreaks of averageness for many years now I think is true and a seemingly endless source of frustration for Hawks fans, myself included, and I think it’s justifiable to wonder why this continues to be the bugaboo of Seattle defense.

On the negative side, Nuss’s post was like many on this site that make it depressing reading — overblown, exaggerated criticism reeking of bitterness over recent loses. It’s hard to blame something as complex as historical secondary performance on something like “hubris” without sounding ridiculous, and rightly so.

But that isn’t the only thing that drives me nuts reading this site’s comments — what really annoys me is the legion of fans who erupt against anyone who tries to criticize the team, coaches or players (other than Russell, who is a universally accepted blame pinata). Nuss was attacked here for not supporting his argument well, and that’s valid, your points are all correct in your response. However, the vast majority of replies to his criticisms, in addition to other critical threads on this site, are equally devoid of anything but rah-rah fingers-in-ears fanboydom which is equally as infantile and substance-less as the reactionary rants to which they respond. And it is doubly annoying for the fact that it goes unpunished and is reinforced by the fact of its majority.

I’d be a lot faster on the ban button if I were you, John. If someone is posting like a spoiled baby, either super-negative or super-anti-criticism, block them for a few weeks. I think the tone of the site will improve. And, of course, keep up the great analysis.

by sev79 on Oct 6, 2008 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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