The Good, the Bad, and the Fugly: Giants 44, Seahawks 6
Well, that's about as bad as you can get your ass kicked in a football game.
Where to start?
The Good
Hasselbeck was on; in fact, he's been on all year with a receiving corps that probably doesn't deserve the label "professional". Contrary to some people's opinions, the lines both actually played pretty well; Brandon Mebane may only have had one tackle, but he played most of the game in the Giants backfield, and on the offensive side 'Beck was only sacked once (Wallace got the other) and wasn't hit very much. Julius Jones continues to impress me as a 'Hawk in ways that he never did as a Cowboy; the running game kept the 'Hawks in manageable third downs all day. The Giants didn't make any hay on Trufant's side of the field; they went his way maybe 2-3 times and he made his tackles after short gains and spiked away a long pass intended for Moss.
The Bad
Tatupu may have had his worst game as a Seahawk. He spent most of the game lunging and generally looked out of sorts; his 4 measely tackles came downfield and there was one play where he was in position and just watched Jacobs run right by him as if expecting Jacobs to intentionally run into him. Other defensive stalwarts also played poorly.
First drive of the game for the Giants, Jacobs busts a 44-yard run in which Deon Grant was in position to take on a blocker and turn Jacobs inside about 2 yards down field. Instead, Grant does this bullfighter move to the inside that effectively takes himself out of the play as well as blocking Leroy Hill (who could've made the play if Grant had taken on the blocker). Grant had inside help: Hill, as well as Tatupu and Julian Petersen were sliding that way. Grant's olay opened a gaping hole for Jacobs to run through.
Giants first possession of the third quarter - Giants leading 27-6 - 2nd and 10 on their own 32-yard line, Jacobs busts a 38-yard run. While the Giants blocked it well - something they did well all day - Leroy Hill is in position to fill and tackle Jacobs for short gain but inexplicably dips inside to take on a grasping blocker, taking himself out of the play. On Jacobs 3-yard TD run, Hill got blown practically out of the endzone, but he did have company in Grant and Patrick Kerney on the play. Kerney spent most running plays getting blown off the ball.
Julian Petersen was a non-factor rushing the passer (something he was brought here to do) and missed as many tackles as he made in the game, completing a trifecta of bad play by the strength of our defense. When this happens it's going to be a bad day.
The entire receiving corp played staggeringly mediocre or below, failing to help an accurate and, for the most part, upright Hasselbeck. Engram missed a tough deep ball, Branch dropped a sure touchdown that hit him right in the face, McMullen failed to properly come back to the ball on two short, 3rd down, drive-killing drops. Colbert had a shot at a third down reception on a ball that was tipped, but it still hit him right on the shoulderpad. For some reason the 'Hawks never threw to TE John Carlson.
The Fugly
Kelly Jennings played about as bad as you can play the corner position in the game of football. Before getting punched out of the game (for what I think was a concussion inflicted by teammate Leroy Hill) Jennings got burned all the way down the field as the Giants opened a 14-3 lead. For starters, Jennings plays about seven yards off his man all the time (this is a team-wide philosophy that I adamantly oppose) which I think makes him more susceptible to play action. He also routinely falls for high school grade double moves. He plays with no confidence (regularly getting flagged for holding and interference). Versus the run, he's light in the ass at 180 pounds and plays that way. On Jacobs 44-yard run early in the game he 'contained' by retreating to the outside until the blocker fell down, but by that point he was so far out of the play that it didn't matter.
His understudy, the equally ineffective Josh Wilson, led the team with 11 tackles on Sunday as Giant receivers caught pass after pass after pass after pass in front of him and his 5-10 yard cushion 10-15 yards down field. Specifically, with the 'Hawks trailing 24-3 with 3:37 left in the first half, the Giants had a 3rd and 9 at their own 26. The 'Hawks play man under, Wilson's got Hixon, Grant has Toomer (who tore up Seattle despite being a corpse). The receivers cross, and I can only think that Wilson thought he and Grant were supposed to switch off (take each other's man) because he's 10 yards off, letting Hixon catch an easy first down. Wilson then compounds his mistake by jumping on a prone Hixon, smacking heads and hurting Hixon - I believe unintentionally - which likely will warrant a fine should the Giants pursue such action with the league.
Both Jennings and Wilson were assisted by piss-poor safety play behind them in the form of Brian Russell. Russell, who has lost a step that he didn't have the luxury of losing, is trying to make up for his lack of speed with quick reaction time, making him a prime sucker for play-action and pump-fakes. Basically he guesses and when he's wrong he doesn't have the speed to get back into position before the opposistion gets huge chunks of yards. Specifically on Moss' 23-yard TD pass to open the 3rd quarter that removed any question of Seattle making the game competitive, Russell bit hard on a pump-fake allowing Moss a big, fat seam in which to score his first ever NFL TD.
Punting sucked again. While the game was still competitive, they couldn't open up any decent field position. Without any significant returns, first half punt nets were 39, 29, 33, and 25. Aye Carumba.
Holmgren. The offensive playcalling was largely fine. However, there were 3 situations in which the Seahawks should've gone for it on fourth down, instead they did not attempt a single 4th down conversion.
13:57 left in the first half, 4th and 1 on their own 40-yard line, Seahawks trailing 17-3. At this point, the Giants had not punted and had faced 3rd down only once. Their three possessions were: 4 plays, 91 yards, TD; 6 plays, 75 yards, TD; 5 plays, 48 yards, FG. Holmgren elected to punt and it was shanked out of bounds for 33 yards. The Giants ensuing drive: 11 plays, 73 yards, TD.
5:11 left in the first half, 4th and 6 at midfield, Seahawks trailing 24-3. Holmgren elected to punt again. Short kick, 15-yard return for a 25-yard net punt. The Giants ensuing drive: 10 plays, 60 yards, FG.
0:07 left in the first half, 1st and 10 on the Giants 11-yard line, 'Hawks trailing 27-3. Holmgren meekly decides to kick a chip-shot field goal to make it 27-6. Take that, Giants! Yeah, you just think about that reduced 21-point lead!
10:33 left in the third quarter, 4th and 3 on their own 37-yard line, Seahawks now trailing 34-6. Ryan saves his best punt for now (way to come through in the clutch) - 63 yards - only that means it's a touchback and nets a mere 43.
I know that several of these are risky in the course of a normal game, and under most circumstances I would advise punting on the second and the fourth situation and kicking the field goal on the third (I'd almost always go for it in the first situation given that the 'Hawks have run the ball well all year), but this was not a normal game. This is my biggest criticism of Holmgren watching him here in Seattle. He does not seem to 'feel' the game.
I mean, in the first situation I listed, Holmgren is expecting his defense to step up, and he fears that his offense won't get the first and give the Giants the ball on the 'Hawks 40. I felt the exact opposite. I expected the running game to pick up the one yard (Holmgren has never heard of a QB sneak BTW) and feared the defense giving up another score, a fear that was ultimately proven to be valid.
Down by as much as they were with their defense playing as bad as it was, I felt that the 'Hawks had to roll the dice in at least some of these situations and hope that it could spark something magical - which was the only chance of them getting back into this game. The 'Hawks defense didn't even slow the Giants down until the Giants no longer cared to move the ball, what with a 37-6 lead late in the 3rd quarter.
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Yeah I was wondering about that..
With a 1st and 10 on the NYG-11 and 7 seconds left in the half don’t we have time to take a shot at the end zone? If we don’t get the touchdown its an incomplete pass. Just run something where the pass is off in 3 seconds so you would have 1-2 seconds left on the clock so you kick it? I could be wrong. It always seems like when I watch the clock very closely there is this weird 2-3 second run down between a field goal or pass hitting the ground and the clock stopping. Maybe I am tripping or don’t understand the rules but 7 seconds seems like a lifetime to get off a 10 yard pass play.
Nice analysis. Yeah we looked horrible yesterday. Guys didn’t look like themselves. Trouble is that this happens too often.
by michaelfox99 on Oct 6, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
For me...
I thought that there was a possibility of a TD or incompletion stopping the clock, but more to the point I thought the gain of 7 points was worth risking the 3 when down 27-3 going into the half with the Giants receiving to open the second half. But that’s just my philosophy and likely had no effect on the outcome of the game either way.
by Azimeir on Oct 6, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For this being your first post, that was a hell of a post.
by LantermanC on Oct 6, 2008 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This post might be the lone bright spot for the Hawks this week.....
well done
I'd like to kick Josh Brown in the privates!
by The Manchild on Oct 6, 2008 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Face Facts
I don’t really think Hass had a good game. Not entirely his fault, but not without blame either. My expectations are quickly becoming grounded in reality. I am a fan of a football team who has sleepwalked through a VERY weak division for a long time. The ride was thrilling, but when this team sees real competition we can see how good they aren’t. I appreciate the thrilling 05 season in which I firmly believe they were the Champs. Those were mostly Holmgren’s players. Now we have Ruskell’s nice guys, and all we can beat are gutter scum. Don’t think I’m jumping ship, I’ve loved these guys my whole life. Every year they kick me in the balls and I keep coming back for more. They are like that girlfriend that everyone knows is awful, but you just can’t leave her for some reason.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 6, 2008 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Four games is enough to change your opinion about this team and "ground you in reality?"
I understand that you’re upset, it was an awful game. However, do you think you might be overreacting a tad?
by BrianL on Oct 6, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, YOU have rose colored glasses on
This team OWES Mike Holmgren something for all his hard work and dedication. They owe him their best. They obviously don’t give a shit. Everyone is playing like its the bosses last week at work and they don’t give a damn what he thinks anymore. Am I overreacting, No I’m simply reacting to the product put in-front of me. The talent of this team over the last two seasons has been largely an illusion. I feel you sir, are under-reacting! Would this fly in other markets? People in Seattle are too nice to our teams. On the other side of the coin, we have had a very fun and exciting run and will again soon. Hopefully the next one takes us all the way to a victory in that most holy of all sporting events. I am thankful for a great run in the post season, and will continue my fandom. That fandom will include me flying off the handle when they don’t care to provide a quality product.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 6, 2008 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look, let's at least wait until our next game before
making such dire conclusions.
by redwolf75 on Oct 6, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I don't really agree with BrianL's 4 game reasoning (getting blown out twice?)
I don’t think that the team is just not giving effort. There is no reason to believe so. I don’t think people who work hard to get where they are all of a sudden just become lazy. Also I don’t really see how Holmgren retiring should get them to work harder… They should work as hard as they can anyways. I firmly believe that most teams work at about 95% effort level, and the teams that do better, generally do so because of better coaching or better talent.
by LantermanC on Oct 7, 2008 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of those blowouts was largely caused by special teams, not the defense.
by BrianL on Oct 7, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Funny how we only made our special teams worse by cutting Plack. Wilson doesn’t look to progress much either, except for his caution with not fumbling the ball.
Though we did only score 10 points, of course much of that could be attributed to WRs dropping passes, Burleson being injured, Morris being injured.
What’s most frustrating is the fact that we just can’t seem to play well on the East Coast (or away from Qwest for that matter)
by LantermanC on Oct 7, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan can't pin the ball inside the 20 to save his life.
For all the things Tim Ruskell does right, special teams is not one of them.
by BrianL on Oct 7, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And like I mentioned before, he's a three step punter,
which means he takes longer to punt. This leads to more blocked punts, one of which happened in the SF game (the babs recovery).
by redwolf75 on Oct 7, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
next game is at home
And therefore not an accurate gauge.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 6, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Home games don't matter?
Also, please use the reply button. It helps facilitate discussion and makes threads easier to follow.
by BrianL on Oct 6, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh they matter
But in order to get back to a SuperBowl they will have to either A. Get Home field through out, which is not going to happen now, or B. learn to win on the damn road.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 7, 2008 4:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to panic if we go 0-2
in our next two games. Until then, I think we legitimately have a chance to take the cesspit that it is the NFC West.
by redwolf75 on Oct 6, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before the season, I predicted we'd be at 2-2 at this point.
At this point, only one game off of my prediction. As I said, no need to panic yet.
by redwolf75 on Oct 6, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the record
but how they got there that is the problem. They lost badly to a team that AZ killed last weekend. They lost to SF at home, and they played there worst game since 1980 in NY. If they had lost two close games in Buffalo and NY Id be fine, but instead they look like the Goddamn Huskies.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 7, 2008 4:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is football. Things can change, and fast.
I’m not saying I expect the Seahawks to still squeak out the NFC West title, but that they can’t be written off yet.
by redwolf75 on Oct 7, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good outlook
I can agree with that.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 7, 2008 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not Huskies bad
They’re not particularly good right now, but they’re not that bad.
by Gomez on Oct 8, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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