The Tape: What’s Wrong With Seattle’s Defense in Two Acts
I can't edit the sad parts or give you a pictorial tour of Seattle's failure, but I do think I can offer a pretty good explanation for Seattle's sudden defensive collapse. It's masquerading as a Tampa 2.
Six of One...: Following Brandon Jacobs victory tour down Seattle's sideline, not all was lost. A play later, all was lost.
1st and 10 from the Seattle 32. Giants break 2 WR, TE, I. Seattle in a base 4-3. Kelly Jennings is playing 10 yards off Domenik Hixon. Noteworthy. At the snap, Hixon charges Jennings, does a low-key double move and runs past Jennings into the end zone. You can see Jennings bite underneath even before the move, perhaps attempting to establish an underneath zone and that, and the subsequent move to regain himself deep nearly cause Jennings to trip. Jennings is a man corner. Jennings should be running man for man from the snap. This weird attempt to force turnovers by playing the short zone is active ignorance of the strength of Seattle's personnel.
Half a Dozen of the Other: Not to be outdone, Josh Wilson, subbing for the concussed Jennings, and B-Rus, combined for a 1-2 suck punch.
Deeper into the debacling, first and 10 from the Giants 41. Giants break 2 WR, TE, Offset-left I. Seattle in a base 4-3. Wilson is playing ten yards off Hixon. Hmmm. B-Rizzy is in deep cover. At the snap, Hixon tunnels in, ruining Wilson's advantage and busting Seattle's secondary. That fast. Eli Manning play fakes, BRuss bites, Wilson is out of position, again seemingly attempting an underneath zone, shows blessed speed to recover, but is easily burnt for the 41 yard reception. I'll give Wilson this, without his speed, that's a score.
Twice, Seattle attempts a 10 yard cushion, twice Seattle attempts to set a zone underneath and twice the move leads to a long pass reception. Actually, it happened more than that.
Let's step back for a second.
Let's say Ronde Barber is the prototypical Tampa 2 cornerback. Barber isn't a huge guy, but he's built like his brother and excellent at press coverage, run tackling and opportunism in the short zone. Neither Jennings nor Wilson fit that description. Wilson isn't awful, he's so-so, but Jennings is awful. He's a nothing at run support and shouldn't press a receiver if he wants his lunch money.
Let's say Brian Russell is the antithetical Tampa 2 safety. Slow, not physical, not particularly disciplined and not very good at deep cover. Also, of somewhat lesser importance, he's AwFuL and strips flesh from Somalis and tells his teammates its Slim Jims. Ahem.
Finally, let's say to get this Tampa 2 to really function, you need a speed-first pass rush. Seattle has a hustle and motor pass rush. It's best edge rusher, Darryl Tapp spends most snaps on the sideline.
So what the Hell is going on? Tim Ruskell has assembled an excellent fire zone style 4-3, the kind talent Philly's Jim Johnson would delight in, but it's being run like a botched Tampa 2. If you need to see what good talent matched with the wrong system does, see San Francisco under Mike Nolan. Their never complete 3-4 has squandered talent since its inception, and, right now, Seattle's badly regressing defense is doing likewise.
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So, the obvious question becomes...
…was Ruskell drafting Wilson and Jennings not to fit Marshall’s schemes, but to fit the schemes of a yet-unknown defensive coordinator who will show up in 2009?
Is Mora going to run the defense when Marshall (hopefully) gets canned?
by djafrot on Oct 6, 2008 3:41 PM PDT 0 recs
I think Jennings and Wilson were supposed to be Seattle's starting corners...
and Trufant’s 2007 screwed everything up. Ala Olindo Mare.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle’s next defensive coordinator is a Dungy disciple. Or that Seattle targets a Tommie Harris type in the draft. Geno Atkins anyone?
by John Morgan on
Oct 6, 2008 3:50 PM PDT
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How about targeting a massive, gargantuan ...
run-stuffer at defensive tackle like Vince Oghobaase? If the Duke star declares for the 2009 NFL Draft and, moreover, is available later in the second round, then it may be wise to scoop him up as a replacement for the fairly ineffective Howard Green.
Green, however, should eventually get usurped this season by rookie Red Bryant; thus, it might be too soon to worry about defensive tackle over weaker areas—especially with top-notch prospects potentially available at free safety (i.e., Taylor Mays) and right guard (i.e., Duke Robinson).
by AK1984 on
Oct 6, 2008 10:20 PM PDT
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I'm pretty sure John has mocked this idea before
the “sumo wrestler/fat guy!” method of DT selection. Although that’s not meant to comment on Oghobaase’s talent/skills.
by Will Kier on
Oct 6, 2008 11:49 PM PDT
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Hell yes for drafting Oghobaase
I go to Duke and have seen what Vince can do firsthand in football games. In the 2006 and 2007 seasons, we had a combined 1 win. The only bright spot on those two teams was watching Vince get doubled by the O-line and still managing to pressure the QB.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on
Oct 7, 2008 3:54 AM PDT
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I don't think they're THAT smart...
…to draft for a scheme years ahead. I mean, c’mon. That would be like buying a wedding ring for your eventual wife, when you don’t even have a girlfriend yet.
In any case, the way to draft would be to grab players that generally fit your scheme, and as they develop adjust the scheme to maximize their unique talents.
Marshall appears to be system-centric, trying to make the players fit the scheme rather than vice-versa.
by Bloof on
Oct 6, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
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I think Ruskell was thinking ahead
Remember he inherited Marshall. But he couldn’t do a damn thing about it until Holmgren left. When Mora got fired in Atlanta, it was Ruskell that was whispering in Holmgren’s ear and planting the idea of him coming in and being the secondary coach. Ruskell has wanted Mora all along because they both share the same philosophy on defense. He knows that Mora will choose a d-coordinator whose schemes and philosphy fit well with the players he has drafted. I couldn’t name any names off the top of my head, but I bet you anything every single player Ruskell has drafted has been in preparation for the NEXT d-coordinator, not for Marshall.
by kmedic on Oct 6, 2008 5:56 PM PDT 0 recs
I completley agree that the personnel does not match the scheme
You gave excellent examples as to why this applies to the Hawks. It’s been like this since Marshall has been here. He’s not utilizing his talent correctly. He needs to take the strong points of each individual defender, mesh it together in some scheme that enhances those attributes. Marshall simply doesn’t have the mind or creativity to do it. He only knows fundmentals and bread and butter defensive schemes. He assumes his talent can adopt to those schemes and runs with it. That’s poor coaching IMO.
by kmedic on Oct 6, 2008 7:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Not enough cap room for the contract he's going to receive.
Oakland will also most likely slap him again with the tag, so he’d require at least a 2nd round pick.
No thanks.
by redwolf75 on
Oct 6, 2008 11:04 PM PDT
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Jennings is a disease
on this organization, the cure won’t come until the off-season. Dr Vanilla recomends Nnamdi Asomugha (Nam-Dee Aso-Moo-Ah). The ultimate cure all for the Jennings virus. 6’2" 210lbs speedster pro-bowler, who is on a franchise tag one year deal and wants the -- out of that rat-hole Oakland.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 6, 2008 7:39 PM PDT 0 recs
Nnamdi a.k.a scrabble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxl8OX4hVyY
Tell me that dosn’t make you hate Kelly Jennings even more.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 6, 2008 7:41 PM PDT 0 recs
Whoa, ...
I’m not the only one around here who appreciates shutdown corners.
I respect Marcus Trufant’s contributions, but he can’t carry the secondary all by himself.
by AK1984 on
Oct 6, 2008 7:47 PM PDT
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what if
We could have Both next year if we’d spend the money. Imagine a secondary that no one could pass on in Seattle! I like the Truf a-lot, but the side he’s not on looks empty.
by vanillathrilla on Oct 6, 2008 7:52 PM PDT 0 recs
That's the point, though.
Hell, I’d cream myself over a tandem of Trufant and Asomugha.
by AK1984 on
Oct 6, 2008 9:43 PM PDT
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I can kind of see why the combo of BRuss, Jennings, and Wilson looked foolish.
But I’m not sure why our three linebackers also looked so bad.
by LantermanC on Oct 6, 2008 8:37 PM PDT 0 recs
I still don't think Marshall is going to go anywhere
Him and Mora have a history together.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 7, 2008 8:32 AM PDT 0 recs
Not much of one, though
Mora was DB coach under Marshall for just one year in San Fran, and then replaced him as DC. There’s not a history of loyalty there … if anything, it could be the opposite, since Mora’s the one that took his job. Both guys are from different generations and different coaching trees. Marshall was on Seifert’s staff for the San Fran years, and then followed him to Carolina. Mora came up working for the Chargers and the his dad in New Orleans.
I personally think that when Mora takes over, there will be a whole new D staff. The old-guard coaches like Marshall, Board, & Marmie will be gone. The big question, IMO, is if Mora will replace everyone, or try and keep some of our young up-and-comers like Rollins, and possibly promote them.
by jteckmann on
Oct 7, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
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I agree.
Mora’s going to want his own people, one’s he knows he can work with.
by redwolf75 on
Oct 7, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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Oh and I finally have the internets again!!!
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 7, 2008 8:32 AM PDT 0 recs
This article could have been 2 words...
Too small.
Being a Seahawks fan is like being a fan of Christian rock. You get the neutered versions of what was “in” 5 years ago. We have a team built to play against the pass-happy Rams-9ers-Cards of yore, while the old-is-new-school teams like the Titans, Giants, Steelers, etc are punching us in the face. We should have offered Zorn the head coach job. I fear the Mora years.
by blackhalobender on Oct 7, 2008 10:23 AM PDT 0 recs
Aren't we dumping praise on Zorn just a little too soon?
by BrianL on
Oct 7, 2008 10:25 AM PDT
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I mean, good for him for what the Redskins have done so far
but I’ll bring up the same thing I’ve been saying for a while now, it’s only a handful of games.
by BrianL on
Oct 7, 2008 10:27 AM PDT
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we all might love Zorn
but really, the whole league (including many of us) was shocked to see him promoted to head coach.
His success has been a major surprise. It’s easy for us to go “shoulda” but not very many of us “woulda”.
by djafrot on
Oct 7, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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All the people thinking
that Zorn should’ve been offered the job really aren’t thinking clearly. For one, the situation in Seatle can’t be compared to Washington. Second, how should’ve the seahawk front office known hast Zorn would make such as “great coach,” as so many people think so far. He’d been only a QB coach before. Third, SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. By the end of this season, the Redskins could have tanked and redskin nation could be calling for Zorn’s head, for all we know.
by redwolf75 on
Oct 7, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
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You also have to consider that the Seahawks simply weren't in a position to give Zorn what Washington did.
by BrianL on
Oct 7, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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I wanted him to be our OC next year
but that was assuming Haskell was going to leave with Holmy.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 7, 2008 10:47 AM PDT
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Ideally that's what I wanted as well.
Still, I can’t blame the FO for letting Zorn go. Washington simply gave him the offer of a lifetime.
by BrianL on
Oct 7, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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The hell?
OC is the job I did* want him* to have.
by redwolf75 on
Oct 7, 2008 10:58 AM PDT
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I think we were.
Washington only hired him away as OC … he didn’t get the HC job until a few weeks afterwards, and even Zorn was caught off guard by it. But before Zorn accepted the OC job there, he came back to Seattle for a meeting with Ruskell. Of course, there’s no way to know what was said behind closed doors, and this is all speculation, but I’ve always had a gut feeling that Zorn preferred to stay here, and was looking for some assurances he’d get our OC job in ’09. But instead he was told that Mora would be HC and have free reign to name his staff. So with no promises, Zorn left to take the sure job instead.
Now, small sample size definitely applies on judging Zorn’s ability as a HC – but it’s not like he was a total unknown. There’s been buzz about his abilities for a while. In a way, he’s been a “rising star” just like Mora was a few years ago. He got his interview in DC based on word of mouth and recommendations from other coaches, and he had been developing a league-wide reputation.
Right now, this is all water under the bridge. And I’m happy for Zorn that he has his chance, and that he’s representing the franchise & its history well (now that Zorn is in DC, I see more old-school Seahawks stuff in the media than ever before)
But part of me will always be bummed. Just like GM’s are expected to identify up & coming talent on the field, they should be able to do the same with good coaches. And I’ll always have this sneaking suspicion that Ruskell was so locked onto Mora as his next HC that he missed a golden opportunity to keep a bright, innovative mind on the staff that could have run the offense in ’09 and beyond.
by jteckmann on
Oct 7, 2008 11:28 AM PDT
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Even if Ruskell was willing to impose an OC on Mora
it doesn’t change the fact that the soonest Zorn could have gotten the position was in ‘09. Washington was offering Zorn job security at the present, and in the wacky world of sports, that’s a hard thing to turn down.
by BrianL on
Oct 7, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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Exactly right.
The best case for the Seahawks (and I mean for future years), is that last year would have been Holmgren’s last year and we would’ve offered Zorn the OC this year, in which case we would have to do that really early before Washington offered the head coach job. Washington had the forsight (and obviously a lot of luck (so far anyway)) to give Zorn the job. As Brian has repeated, we’ll just have to wait a few more games and see how both the Seahawks’ and Washington’s seasons play out before we can conclude anything of real substance.
by LantermanC on
Oct 7, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
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true
The timing of everything just sucked. That’s why I’m not too upset about it, because Ruskell’s hands were a little tied. I just wish it could’ve worked out better.
But as for “imposing” a HC with a coordinator … I wouldn’t have had a problem with that. Ruskell didn’t mind imposing on Holmgren by adding Mora to the staff to begin with. And when you look at teams that have a identity or history of success with a certain system, keeping coordinators even when they change HC’s is fairly common. Pittsburg kept Lebeau & the 3-4 zone blitz, Tampa keeps Kiffin, Indy kept Moore and their O staff together when Dungy came in, etc. Washington caught a lot of flak for naming their coordinators first, but when you’re dealing with an established team (not one that needs a total rebuild) it’s really not that unusual.
Now, maybe Seattle follows suit, and Haskell sticks around as OC … (I’m actually looking forward to that, IIRC the one year Haskell had autonomy in Carolina and called the plays, he had a very wide open, high scoring attack, without stellar talent). But Haskell is a little older and has a lot of ties to Holmgren, so I’m sort of expecting he leaves at the end of this year as well.
But I’m sorry for getting off on this tangent. Next year is a long time away, and we’ll just have to see how the coaching transition goes in ’09. Still a lot of football left to be played this season.
by jteckmann on
Oct 7, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
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