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The Tape: Sea @ NY: 2nd Quarter Notes

New York picked on Josh Wilson all quarter. His play was so poor, and his coverage so frustratingly loose, it's tough to tell if he was attempting to play zone or just clueless.

Josh Wilson

The Wilson train takes all passengers, but is nonstop until the end zone: One play really defines Wilson's quarter.

3rd and 9 from the Giants 26. The play after The Good Play. New York breaks 4 WR, Rb, SG. Seattle in a 3-3 nickel. My beloved 3-3 nickel. The action is on the left. Wilson is at second corner, or left CB, opposite Domenick Hixon. Deon Grant plays opposite slot receiver Amani Toomer. At the snap, Toomer runs a wheel route. For the uninitiated, that's horizontal towards the sideline and then up field. Hixon diagonals in on what becomes a squared in. Grant and Wilson, in part because they are playing off, avoid picking each other out of the play, and each retain coverage. Kind of. Grant is nails, picking up Toomer and running step for step with him down the sideline. Wilson fails, running a looping route over Grant, over Toomer and only sorta towards Hixon. Hixon is easily open after his cut, receives and suffers a vicious hit from behind by Wilson. The quality of coverage and vague dirtiness of the tackle is Brian Russell like.

John Carlson

The best explanation I have for Carlson's MIA is that New York matched a DB against him. That's the kind of luxury a big early lead engenders. New York played lots of nickel and dime, knowing Seattle had to pass. It's not too surprising to see a rookie tight end struggle against a DB. Seattle needs to not let the game get away from them, have a real threat of rushing the ball and Carlson's production will pick up again.

Mike Wahle

Justin Tuck creates pass rush problems for most guards, but Mike Wahle's pass blocking problems extend through the season. In the waning minutes of the second quarter, Wahle missed picking up a Mathias Kiwanuka stunt on a play that luckily resulted in a face mask penalty. The more likely outcome would have been a sack or incompletion.

Running Left

New York punished Seattle's defensive right side, and it's clear from a personnel and production standpoint, that's a problem Seattle will suffer all season. Part of it is Seattle's second corner. Kelly Jennings is a zero in run support. Wilson is better, but a major drop off in coverage. Brian Russell is Brian Russell. Beyond those three, Seattle's rotation right side, Darryl Tapp and Howard Green,  get blown off the ball. Green Bay took advantage of this weakness last season and should do so again on Sunday.

Losing Football 101

Let's end with a favorite pastime of bloggers and know-it-alls (but I repeat myself): Blame the coach. This play call seemed especially ill conceived.

Fifth play of Seattle's closing drive, 1st and 10 from the Giants 19. Seattle breaks 4 WR, RB. New York in a 4-2 nickel. Seattle aligns Billy McMullen split end left and Kerry Colbert slot left. At the snap, the dream team runs these complementary patterns.

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The Giants ignore McMullen, his shallow route and inability to run after the catch, and double and then triple Colbert. The no-chance pass sails incomplete. Der. I would call the Giants smart or well coached, but what defense in the NFL would bother with McMullen? 18 seconds left, a player without YAC threat, running a five yard route towards the sideline. That's a winner.

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RE: the corner pass to Colbert

I don’t see what’s so wrong about calling this play. Is McMullen so bad he can’t catch the ball and make 7-8 yards, leaving us twelve seconds or so at the Giants’ 11 and a much closer shot at the end zone? Perhaps it was called with the thought that the Giants would favour the opposite side of the field (whomever was there, surely Bobby and someone else) and leave a little space for Colbert to hit the corner or catch McMullen in the flat? I don’t know if we had a time-out left, either, but a pass to the flat would stop the clock too.

A far worse move in my opinion was kicking the FG with seven seconds left. Geez, Holmgren, did the three points really mean so much that we couldn’t even take a shot?

by djafrot on Oct 7, 2008 4:03 PM PDT   0 recs

What's wrong with calling this play is that...

virtually nothing changes from the 19 yard line to the 12 yard line. There’s only (theoretically) 8 or 9 seconds left on the clock. No timeouts. It’s still twelve yards from the end zone, so you can’t run the ball and every play must be to the sideline or into the end zone. Realistically, into the end zone. In other words, you’ve spent time without accomplishing really anything. You are effectively in the same situation you were at the 19, but with less time. McMullen’s pattern was a decoy; the Giants didn’t bite and Hasselbeck didn’t bother.

I think Holmgren viewed the field goal as closing within 3 scores. A touchdown doesn’t change that. No score at all leaves Seattle needing four successful drives to tie or win.

by John Morgan on Oct 7, 2008 4:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

still don't agree, but hey that's the fun

There’s no difference from being at the 12 and at the 19? Sorry, totally disagree. 3rd and 12 is a helluva lot more “convertible” than 3rd and 19, especially when lacking a big ‘n’ tall WR. I would argue that there was an option for Matt… if the CB on that side bit on the underneath route and allowed Colbert to get into the deep 3rd behind him, hit Colbert… otherwise, flick it to McMullen underneath and let him get a little closer to the end zone.

Matt did end up throwing it long, but this doesn’t prove that the play was determined to go that way. He is a good quarterback, but he’s not immune to throwing into coverage when getting close to the red zone.

Heh, and as for “getting within three scores”… yipes. If Holmy thought that the Hawks’ D was magically going to turn around and blank the Giants for the entirety of the second half, he needs to check his moustached head. We needed a TD there.

by djafrot on Oct 8, 2008 1:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So...
The quality of coverage and vague dirtiness of the tackle is Brian Ruskell like.

I guess we know why Ruskell signed Brian Ruskell, he wanted his son to live out his NFL dreams.

by LantermanC on Oct 7, 2008 7:32 PM PDT   0 recs

Our LB's are very prone to counter runs and misdirection

I’ve noticed. When you’ve got the line running one way with a lead fullback, and then all of a sudden the RB cuts back with pulling guards, our LB’s and safeties are horrible at adjusting and finding a good angle to attack. Other counter plays include the fake handoff followed by the end around the other way. Anything that gets the LB’s and safeties to bite one way with misdirection and then counter against the grain. That’s a golden formula for success against our defense. Both Chicago and SF employed this against us in ‘06, and now the Giants are doing the same. I would expect GB to as well this Sunday. They have good guards and speedy WR’s that can pull and counter against the direction of the play. Our LB’s and safeties have to be more disciplined.

by kmedic on Oct 7, 2008 10:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Josh Wilson has the worst footwork I've seen in a while for a CB

And Brian Russell is about the slowest reacting FS I’ve seen in a while as well. I agree with Morgan that putting those 2 on the right side of the defense is asking for trouble. There has to be a personnel change there somehow, because teams are going to exploit that all season long.

by kmedic on Oct 7, 2008 10:23 PM PDT   0 recs

IMO their hands are tied personnel-wise

What can they really do? Elevate Babs to starting CB or FS? His “big play” nickname is more often an insult than a compliment.

I’ve been thinking, what about calling up Adams to play SS, shifting Grant back to FS, and giving Hobbs a shot a CB, where his size should be better in run-support? But then you’re looking at a secondary that has more practice squaders and 5th stringers than the WR corp. The easy joke is how could that be any worse, but the reality is it probably would be.

What bugs me is that in late ’06 when we had a secondary of loan officers, Marshall & Co. were able to piece together a good unit on the fly. But now that we have 1st & 2nd round talent, things are falling apart. Makes me wonder if the lack of talent in ’06 forced Marshall to gameplan more creatively to overcome it, while now that he has his starters his tendency is to go vanilla.

I had not found this site back in ‘06 – so without the resource, I don’t know what the D was doing differently, But it makes me hope that now that our secondaries weaknesses have been well exposed, there’s a way to shift coverages that play to their strengths and get the ship righted.

by jteckmann on Oct 8, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Idea

I’ve heard the moving Grant to FS and Adams to SS suggestion elsewhere as well and I like it. Frankly, we need much more help at the FS position than any loss we might take at SS with Adams. I also like the idea of giving Hobbs a shot. Just because he was a low round pick shouldn’t automatically mean he can’t start.

by kmedic on Oct 8, 2008 1:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Losing Football 101

The picture of the two complimentary routes I thought, at first glance, was one stick person screwing another stick person from behind, a metaphor for the game. : )

by Azimeir on Oct 8, 2008 12:25 AM PDT   0 recs

Hahaha

I’m glad to say that I didn’t see that until you mentioned it. My mind is finally becoming clean!

If life gives you lemons, keep the receipt

by Bramlet A. on Oct 8, 2008 1:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty sure the face mask penalty at the end of the first half was on a sack

by Dave Tollefson, #71. Right? I’m not positive, but pretty sure it was him.
Kiwanuka had a sack in the 2nd half, and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t called back on a face mask.

Agree on the routes that McMullen and Colbert ran there; it seems to this casual viewer that this happens pretty much all the time. I hate to make the standard complaints about coaching, and I realize that they don’t have a ton to work with in McMullen, but ANYBODY can be useful as a decoy to draw a safety.

by marc w on Oct 8, 2008 10:54 AM PDT   0 recs

The drive included two facemask penalties.

The play with Kiwanuka’s stunt featured a face mask penalty by Antonio Pierce. That’s my fault for hasty, ambiguous writing.

by John Morgan on Oct 8, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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