When it comes to the players (which is I thought what we were talking about, would we trade the Seahawk players for bad boy stars), I don’t think you can really give the Patriots too much crap. I mean, the Patriots organization can be total jerk offs (see: both of SeaTown’s examples), but it is the coaches not the players.

I’m certainly no huge Patriot fan, but from what I’ve seen of their players and locker room, they seem to be pretty straight up, hard working guys, regardless of what Darth Belicheck does to improve his chances of winning over and over again.

In terms of this thread in general, I think we are missing some big points. As the Cowboys have sort of proved this season, merely bringing in a bunch of talent doesn’t mean you get a Super Bowl. If we just cut all our “good guy” players and replaced them with obnoxious superstars, we wouldn’t simply win a championship. Championship teams are built around a core of good players (which i think we have the makings of) and then good chemistry and coaching.

Also, I think it is a little outrageous to say that

Loving losers and holding onto them because their good guys is why we never win.

Considering we made it to the Super Bowl a few seasons ago, and have won a playoff game in each of the past three seasons (something very few teams can boast). When it comes down to it, we have been one of the most consistantly good teams in the NFC for the past 4-5 years. So, frankly, I am tired of hearing Seahawks fans dump on us and saying we aren’t any good and we are always like this. It may be true of the Mariners, but the Seahawks are still a good team. This year sucked. They played terribly, they coached terribly, but this is an abberation. While we certainly need to improve next season, I don’t think we need to be revisionists, and totally recast the past five years, which have been great.