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Quick Cap: Redskins 20 - Seahawks 17

Here's what I noticed about today's game: Thank God Stump Mitchell left town. Sorry Clinton Portis, this looks like your last great season.

Okay, so who will be Seattle's starting quarterback in 2010? The draft offers some interesting options.

If Seattle wants to go early, Sam Bradford looks like the prototypical quarterback of legend. He's a perfect guy to stash for a season and then suffer through growing pains with in 2010. The knock on Bradford is that he's only a two year starter and is surrounded by excellent offensive talent. Still, love his low sacks, high completion percentage and good athleticism. Bradford would require a top ten pick, so that would hurt Seattle's versatility and force them into an exorbitant contract. Too risky; not wild about this option. He could slide a little if Tim Tebow and Colt McCoy declare, but I doubt both will. I also doubt Mark Sanchez declares, because USC won't likely win the national title and because ten trillion dollars isn't better than being the man at Hollywood U. If he's there, I really like Sanchez and think Tim Ruskell would target him.

If Seattle's willing to slide a little, Curtis Painter make a pretty safe if a little less sexy pick in the mid to late first.

Beyond that, it gets interesting. There's a lot of rational reasons to love Chase Daniel. He's played insanely well in the tough as hell Big 12. He's the drafts best non-Tim Tebow athlete at quarterback, and he destroys the Lewan projection system: three year starter plus a fourth season playing off the bench and a 68.5% completion percentage. But there's also some quasi-rational red flags. He's short, probably shorter than his listed 6'0". He's also playing in a spread offense. Current head coach Gray Pinkel has been with the Tigers since 2001, and none of Daniels' predecessors touched Daniels passing stats. I'm leaving this one up for debate before I do a little more research, but another something, something HUGE, in Daniels' favor is that he's not a first round pick. For as much as a second rounder and as little as a second day pick, Daniels provides a potentially huge return and If he doesn't work out, the team's not crippled. That's not something you can say about Bradford, Stafford, Tebow or Sanchez. That first round pick could instead go to something more stable, offensive line, defensive line or safety.

A couple more names out there worth looking into: Cullen Harper, a good looking talent on a terrible team. Rhett Bomar - no thank you. Dan LeFevour, who I don't know much about, but has played mostly against inferior competition. Hunter Cantwell, who's a bit of a faded prospect.

However this works out, Seattle needs a developmental quarterback. I'm not saying all of today's passing follies were on Matt Hasselbeck, but even if he accounts for half, that's the worst he's ever played. There's some small chance he bounces back, but it's no longer an option to coast with one viable quarterback. Seattle needs to build for the future, and that doesn't include Charlie Frye.

Game Ball: Maurice Morris. If Seattle reloaded on the line, kept Morris, Jones and Duckett, found a coach willing to split the carries three ways, they'd already have a very good rushing attack. You couldn't find three more complimentary backs, but Mike Holmgren refuses to evenly distribute the carries. Morris is the best receiver and is good in the open field. Julius Jones is the best pure rusher, a good pass blocker and can receive. T.J. Duckett is more than a short yardage back, no matter how NFL teams have stubbornly pigeonholed him. Seattle has very little money and only one draft pick invested in the three. That's huge. They represent something to build around.

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Curtis Painter is pretty terrible

I’d be sick if he was our QB of the future. Not excited about Chase Daniels either. Doesn’t look like an athlete at all and I wonder if he can play in an offense where he is under center.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Nov 23, 2008 5:02 PM PST   0 recs

Also

not a fan of Hunter Cantwell, I’ve watched Louisville play a few times this year and he has always looked ghastly.

I like LeFevour but his competition has been pretty shitty so it is hard to say how good he really is.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Nov 23, 2008 5:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Last i checked...

LeFevour is a Junior. Doubt he comes out. Painter will be there in the 5th round. He was benched this year. Even Kyle Orton, of Purdue, with a similar benching, did not go until the 4th.

The Clemson dude, Harper, is the most intriguing prospect. That said, the most legitimate arm with whells in Cantwell. He has absolutely no weapons to work with, may be ther in the 4th or 5th, and would do well perhaps in two-three years of tutalege.

Hasselbeck will have another pro bowl year in him.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 6:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I could definitely see Painter in the middle rounds.

And Hass might have another year with Pro Bowl skill, so long as he stays healthy, but there’s no way he has another Pro Bowl year unless his weapons are healthy and we start winning again.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Nov 24, 2008 3:19 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'd be ok with either Chase or Painter

simply because if they don’t pan out, who cares?
Though if we could get a guy like Aaron Rodgers or Flacco (or trent Edwards or Kellen Clemmons), and by that I mean last in the 1st round or in the 2nd 3rd round, it wouldn’t cripple a franchise either.

by LantermanC on Nov 23, 2008 9:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But I don't think

We need two MAC quarterbacks on the roster.

by Shooter McGavin on Nov 23, 2008 5:14 PM PST   0 recs

Chase Daniels looks like a career backup/marginal starter

I love the kid, and the thing that gives me some reason to hope is that he can generally read the hell out of a defense. He just gets what the D is trying to do to him. If everything breaks right for him (right system, right coach, right kind of talent) he could be Jeff Garcia. I just don’t see him able to overcome some of his limitations (e.g., Seneca Wallace’s height, barely an NFL caliber arm if that).

This just isn’t a great year to need a QB.

It’ll be interesting to see if Bradford comes out.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 23, 2008 5:23 PM PST   0 recs

I'm not thrilled with those choices, so I wonder

what good, young QBs are already in the NFL but don’t a have a secure hold on the starting job on their current teams? I know we’ve already done this with Charlie Frye, but assuming we don’t draft a QB — and rightfully refuse to stick with both Frye and Wallace as the backups — are there any decent arms in the league that the Seahawks could easily acquire, and perhaps groom?

A couple of years ago I loved the idea of the Seahawks acquiring Marques Tuiasosopo, because I thought he was (and probably is) a better fit here than in Oakland. I really like Matt Cassel, but appears to now be far too expensive to acquire.

by J.L. White on Nov 23, 2008 5:39 PM PST   0 recs

How about a guy like Alex Smith?

Once he doesn’t have to go up against Rocky, who knows what he could do.

by PascoJoe on Nov 23, 2008 9:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

chase daniel's backup

chase patton, i believe, is supposed to be pretty good and will go really late. espn says he’ll be a better pro than daniels, but i don’t know what to believe. just throwing it out there

by Woodinville_12thMan on Nov 23, 2008 6:00 PM PST   0 recs

Patton was pretty highly recruited too

He was more of a drop back, pro-style passer than Daniel. Mizzou went to the spread full-time; the same spread Chase Daniel had been running since the 7th or 8th grade. Not surprisingly, Daniel won the job. Patton hasn’t played, but the guy has some tools. Apparently he’s had a number of chances to transfer, but he’s from Columbia, MO and has a wife and kid. He didn’t want to leave. I can’t see why anyone would draft him on day 1 though. He’s the kind of guy you pick very late or try to get him to camp, a la Matt Cassell.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 23, 2008 7:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ah.

I’m always weary when I hear some random ESPN analyst suggest that “Player X is going to be a better pro than Player Y.” Always comes off as baseless speculation on their part.

by BrianL on Nov 23, 2008 7:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"Some small chance he bounces back?"

Smart Seahawks coverage would know that the WRs have been unable to get open all season and it is impossible to have a good passing game without open pass receivers. 99% chance Hasselbeck “bounces back” as soon as he has someone to throw to.

by VBJohnson on Nov 23, 2008 6:07 PM PST   0 recs

It is an inury

that is more often overcome than not.

I am surprised at the quick trigger this group has regarding Hasselbeck.

I’m sure the Jets and Packers are glad no one gave up on Farve during his 3-13 year.

I’m surprised at this group.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 6:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You have a 34 year old quarterback with an injury history.

Conventional logic suggests that this is the point where you should start thinking about finding a new franchise quarterback.

by BrianL on Nov 23, 2008 6:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Not sure that applies

Warner
Farve
Collins

All are playing decent. Granted, we need a new body, but please, give Hasselbeck a full year of suckage in 2009 before you bury him.

Or, you can draft Dan McGuire with the sixth pick.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 6:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think we'd all agree it's still Becks job in 2009

But he has played awful, has an injury history and is 34. I think there is a lot to there to have legitimate concerns about Matt’s future.

Also Warner is a freak of nature, Favre is playing well but he’s still made some bad mistakes this season, Is Collins playing that great? or is just manging the game ala Trent Dilfer and letting Johnson and White carry the offense?

by MFAN on Nov 23, 2008 6:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'd be more inclined to believe that Warner, Farve, and Collins are exceptions to the rule.

I don’t see why it would hurt to draft a quarterback this year. Give them a year or two as a backup and then allow them to take over down the line. Exposure to the system before becoming a starter can’t hurt.

I don’t see where anyone has suggested we draft a quarterback and immediately start him over Hasselbeck in 2009. The argument brought up is that we should draft a quarterback now because it likely will be a future need for this franchise.

by BrianL on Nov 23, 2008 6:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Even is Matt was playing great I think we’d still suggest drafting a QB.

by MFAN on Nov 23, 2008 6:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

Especially since Warner and Collins have both had some years on the bench, keeping them out of harm’s way. And Favre has ZERO injury history whatsoever.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Nov 24, 2008 3:11 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yup...

not arguing the draft of a quarterback… just not in round one. And if we failed to draft one, no worries.

Plenty of QB’s are struggling. This thread, intentionally or no, has seemed overly reactive to a hobbled Hasselbeck.

This is not just a QB stuggling, this a team without confidence.

This team needs a win to change the lense by which they view themselves.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 6:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I have to disagree with one statement you made

“And if we failed to draft one, no worries.”

If Seattle struggles next season and Hasselbeck struggles I don’t wanna sit through 10 weeks of Frye and Wallace doing nothing. If the team is 2-9 next season it’s a perfect time to get a young rookie QB some snaps and get him ready for 2010.

by MFAN on Nov 23, 2008 6:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What of a trade

Perhaps Derek Anderson…
and with less vigor, Matt Cassel
Matt Lienart anyone…

I’m all for drafting in the 3-7th this year… hell, draft two of em.

That said, I like DA.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 6:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I would suggest

Everyone start thinking of a natural system.

Carpenter from Arizona State.
Mark Sanchez from USC.

Or, a small school stud:

Brandstrater from Fresno State.
Mike Reilly from Central

In the end, the one I have my hopes on… in the 4th round (what a steal) is Harper.

Guy has gone through hell out here in the Carolina’s, and has never griped, kept it positive, and is now rated in the top 2 in the ACC.

Harper, for 2009 :)

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 7:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I have no particular problem with Harper, but...

He hasn’t played all that well this season. Much was expected of that team, and talent’s not their problem. That, obviously, isn’t all Cullen Harper but I wouldn’t say that he’s never griped and always kept it positive. Shortly after Bowden was fired Harper disparaged him pretty good in the papers. Bowden may well have had it coming—I hear Tommy is a grade A jerk—but still. (Disclaimer: Gamecocks fan)

To MFAN’s earlier point about drafting a QB or bust I’d say, careful. You can’t force it. At this moment, the QB market looks pretty “meh.” There are any number of guys that might be serviceable, but without some bolstering from the underclassmen this is a weak QB class. We may need to look at who shakes look as a FA or look into trades. We can’t get fixated on the draft.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 23, 2008 7:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Good point

Obviously I don’t want to pass up some very good talent just to get a QB that might be end up being serviceable, but I do think QB is a position Seattle should really look hard at in April.

by MFAN on Nov 23, 2008 7:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

Ruskell would be hard-pressed to leave the position completely unaddressed this off-season.

We MIGHT be able to squeeze another serviceable season or two from Hass, but that’s IF he can stay healthy. That’s the gamble that isn’t worth taking.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 24, 2008 1:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Go Gamecocks!

I’m a Arizona alum, but your school rocks.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 7:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I went to grad school at Arizona

still smarting over the OSU loss. Didn’t see the game, but it sounds like Stoops went super-conservative after OSU missed the PAT to leave them up by one point—tried to let the air out of the ball.

Bah. I hate that so much.
—-
S. Carolina’s a great school though, and very similar to Arizona in the basic feel. Obviously it’s different working here than if I had attended school here. I love that there is all kinds of merchandise with “cock” innuendo. People have fun with it. (They drive me crazy with the SEC sense of entitlement though. It’s the main reason I generally don’t support a playoff. Without at least 3 or 4 SEC teams you still wouldn’t get rid of the controversy.)

I’d love to see Seattle WR Kenny McKinley in Seattle with a 3rd or 4th round pick. He reminds me an awful lot of Darryl Jackson.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 24, 2008 1:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

He's got most of the same targets from last year

Unless you like Burleson/Hackett are the difference between Matt playing like a pro bowler and Matt playing like JaMarcus Russell.

Obviously this team isn’t great at WR, but Matt has played awful and I don’t see how you can deny that. Wallace didn’t play this bad and he didn’t even have a healthy Branch.

by MFAN on Nov 23, 2008 6:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Also there has been an upgrade from Pollard to Carlson

The running backs are also better receivers.

by MFAN on Nov 23, 2008 6:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Upgrade? Same WRs?

The WRs aren’t getting open. Much of the time when they do get open, they drop the ball. If Hasselbeck were QBing the Cardinals he would have better stats than Warner. A few bad passes per game does not make a QB washed up, in fact even the best QBs often throw a few bad passes per game on their best days.

by VBJohnson on Nov 23, 2008 6:34 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

This.

It’s pretty clear from watching the game that he had a ton of horribly inaccurate throws.

Hell, first (I think) pass attempt of the game, Koren Robinson (supposedly “unable to get open”) easily beats his man medium-deep and Hasselbeck completely underthrows him, straight to the WAS defenender. Not K-Rob’s fault at all, and really pretty typical of Matt’s day.

by Simon Phoenix on Nov 23, 2008 8:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Bro

Hass took this team to the Superbowl with a lot of injuries at WR. I seem to remember sitting in the rain one game against Dallas in ’05 when they were so thin at the position that Jerheme Urban was a starter and Will Heller was playing the slot.

I love Hasselbeck, but if nothing else we need a better back up. 2 of the past 3 seasons Hass has missed games do to injury and that sort of thing doesn’t get better over time and age. He’s on the back half. The Patriots could have stuck it out with Bledsoe till the end, but I think they made a decent choice in moving for the future. You can make arguments on both sides.

The biggest issue is, what kind of offense are the ‘Hawks running next year? That should make a big difference in what QB is picked up. It sounds like everyone is assuming they’ll stick to the west coast. I wouldn’t be so sure of that. I like Cassell because he has very few miles logged for his talent, and he seems to be a QB that can fit into most offensive systems.

by Jo-Jo on Nov 23, 2008 8:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

There are too many other needs

to waste good draft picks or cap space on QBs when the team already has one playing at Probowl level. I’m not sure what you’re talking about wrt the WRs ever being this bad for the Seahawks. O5 wasn’t even close. You can see it on the field. Even the completed passes are to WRs with no separation most of the time.

If anything Hasselbeck was more accurate than ever before he got injured this season. All the completions were to tightly covered receivers. He was very very accurate (he had to be to complete anything), then he got hurt. The WRs are pretty much never wide open. Contrast that with the Cardinal game, which I attended. Wide open WRs all over the field the entire game. Warner could just pick and choose.

by VBJohnson on Nov 23, 2008 10:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

'more accurate than ever'

what?

You think Hasselbeck is playing at a pro-bowl level?

Once again, no one is saying Beck needs to be cut. He is old and has significant injury history. It is smart to draft a QB at this point since no one on the roster has any long term potential. Most of us also think that a QB has a much better chance of sticking in the league if they can learn the pro game at practice and with spot duty, rather than being thrown in the fire from day one. Forcing a rookie to start immediately has two bad outcomes:

1) That player will get a lot of media attention (and blame if he struggles) which can be a recipe for disaster.
2) That player will be hurt and nursing injuries all week instead of practicing and learning.

Also, the draft places a premium on more ‘pro-ready’ quarterbacks… i.e. quarterbacks who played in college offenses that resembled pro offenses. Not needing a guy to start right away often means you can get top notch starter quality talent in the mid to late rounds. The ideal is to hit with a Brady, Romo, Rodgers type late round find. Obviously there is a lot of luck involved.

The reasonable argument is that this is a weak QB class (I am not saying this is my opinion, I really don’t know most of these college QB’s other than the big names and the ACC guys). In a weak position class, you are getting a far worse value regardless of where you draft..

If we were to go Safety, can we convert Malcom Jenkins?

by michaelfox99 on Nov 24, 2008 6:12 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

College quarterback debate may be the least rational debate in football

I’m really not looking forward to this. Let me just put this out there, there’s not a quarterback prospect in my lifetime that someone didn’t think was a bust. Matt Ryan was a bust. Peyton Manning was a bust. Drew Brees was a certain bust, he even started his career slowly.

by John Morgan on Nov 23, 2008 6:22 PM PST   0 recs

Funny, but I hope we can get DA

for a 3rd rounder in 2010. Guy has a major arm, and has had great swagger. He may not always make great reads, but he is still young, and would be a Hasselbeck in waiting.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 23, 2008 6:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I actually think that wouldn’t be a terrible idea. His contract isn’t bloated or anything either, but it would be a lot to pay for a back-up to wait for a year or two.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Nov 24, 2008 3:23 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

ELI!

He was never considered a bust ;). God, I love the Mannings.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Nov 24, 2008 3:15 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

What about Locker?

Sure he doesn’t have the most accurate arm in the NCAA, nor the best awareness, but he has athleticism that a lot of other QBs don’t have and he could easily be a pick in the later rounds of the draft.

by Coach Owens on Nov 23, 2008 7:23 PM PST   0 recs

Meh

Locker hasn’t don’t much in college and doesn’t seem like someone would really translate to the pros. Plus he’s only played like 12 college games. He’d be pretty dumb to enter that draft after this season.

by MFAN on Nov 23, 2008 7:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Unless something drastically changes in the next two years(if he stays) I think he makes it at WR. Kind of like Matt Jones but without the coke. He is just too good of an athlete not to be drafted by someone. He may also decide to test the waters as a baseball prospect. He played some in a summer league and has said he absolutely loves baseball.

by Willie Mays Haze on Nov 23, 2008 9:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Safety

A la Brian Russell, but with talent.

by PascoJoe on Nov 23, 2008 9:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I dunno about Matt Jones

Matt Jones was/might still be an absolute FREAK of an athlete. His combine was absolutely ridiculous. Not many people would choose to take a former QB whose never played WR in the first round.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Nov 24, 2008 3:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Jones:

Here are Jones combine numbers:

Height: 6-6ΒΌ
Weight: 242
40 time (hand-timed): 4.37 and 4.39
40 time (electronic): 4.40
Vertical jump: 39.5 inches
Standing broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches

The guy was a monster.. and it earned him a first round selection. As a pro, he is becoming a very busty bust. Even before the yay he wasn’t making noise as a WR. Also, likely related to drug addiction, he has lost almost 30 pounds.

by michaelfox99 on Nov 24, 2008 6:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think...

Locker is a couple of mechanical adjustments away from being a very very good QB. You couldn’t build a QB more complete than Jake Locker.

You’re willing to write off his accuracy after 12 games in college?

by PLU Tim on Nov 24, 2008 9:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I am.

Look, he’s a fabulous talent, but he’s not a QB. I was at the BYU game, and the sheer number (and magnitude) of missed receivers was just staggering. I mean, stationary players who found holes in the zone, or guys waiting on hook routes, and he just missed them by 10 yards.

The guy is an athlete, but he’s never been a decent passer and we might as well accept that. Sure, there’s always a chance that he turns into a completely different player and develops some accuracy, but I’m certainly not going to bet on it. Yes, the sample size is small, but that doesn’t mean that his odds of being a quality QB are essentially 50-50 or something.

by marc w on Nov 25, 2008 9:53 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Quarterbacks Schwarterbacks...

Give me some BJ Raji.

Does anyone else feel like the defense has gotten itself back on track a little bit? They’re not the dominant force we expected but they’ve played well lately and seem to be improving each week. For as disastrous as the offense has been the last three games have been competitive against playoff caliber teams.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 23, 2008 8:15 PM PST   0 recs

Is Graham Harrell eligible to come out?

And if he does, where do you expect him to go? I imagine he could be the next Colt Brennan—-racks up cartoonish stats in college, but doesn’t quite have the tools for the pro game and ends up as a Day 2 project pick.

Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.

by Benne on Nov 23, 2008 8:45 PM PST   0 recs

ha

As a Bremerton transplant who has lived in Hawaii since 2005, this comment made me laugh. Ha. Also, the way the Hawaii athletic department handled the June Jones thing on his way out was hilariously bad.

Still, that’s Hawaii for you. Second Chance U.

Sports and Bremertonians. Because we can.

by wackomann on Nov 23, 2008 9:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'd much rather Graham Harrell than Colt Brennan.

At least Harrell is playing against real college defenses. That said, I’m not crazy about either guy.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Nov 24, 2008 3:16 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Josh Freeman

Is as good a “project” quarterback as you’re going to find in next year’s draft. He’s put up good numbers in Ron Prince’s system, which produced Matt Schaub. He’s huge (6-6, 250) and mobile for that size. He’s a junior, but with Prince stepping down, it seems pretty likely that he’ll declare.

by Right on Nov 23, 2008 11:43 PM PST   0 recs

Kid's intriguing

I’m not absolutely convinced he’ll come out, though the probability went way up with Bill Snyder coming back as the coach. Freeman’s a sophomore (iirc). He needs another year’s worth of starts. He’s a tough call.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 24, 2008 1:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of Mark Sanchez,

Mitch Mustain is an absolute moron. When did he think he was ever going to get the chance to play?

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Nov 24, 2008 3:26 AM PST   0 recs

Really, I thought he went to USC for the coaching

to run a pro-style offense. Besides, unless he was going to transfer down to the FCS (I-AA) level he probably couldn’t guarantee himself a starter’s job at a decent school with the kind of offense he wanted to run. If he never starts at USC he may not be much worse off than had he gone down a level and played. Few of those guys get drafted high anyway; Joe Flecko is the exception.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 24, 2008 1:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Could've gone to Tulsa

and put up OBSCENE numbers with his HS coach.

Besides Cassell has proved that being the backup at USC isn’t necessarily a career hindrance.

Mustain also thought he could beat out Sanchez.

He could always beat out Corps in two years, but then again Barkley will be here by then.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Nov 25, 2008 5:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Goodness...

writing Hass’ professional obituary? Sure, he’s possibly lost something from 2005, but to say that there is a slim chance that he’ll ever bounce back from last week’s performance is a bit on the premature side.

Maybe I have an irrational man-crush on the guy, but basically saying that his days as a viable NFL QB are over with seems over-the-top.

by PLU Tim on Nov 24, 2008 9:12 PM PST   0 recs

Nobody is saying that

Why is reading comprehension so hard?

The chips are stacked against Hasselbeck’s future, dispite everyones comments. Here’s how the facts line up:

He is 34 years old – which is an age when you see a lot of QB’s slow down. Warner and Farve are exceptions to that rule, and to compair Hasselbeck to those guys is just silly; those guys are Hall of Famers. You don’t see people pining over Culpepper just because he had a great season a couple times in his career.

He’s misses several games over the past three season – Wallace and Frye are not viable backups. This team needs a viable backup and a QB to groom. Hasselbeck won’t last forever.

The ’Hawks most likely will not be running the West Coast Offense next year (not a fact, but a probability) – Hasselbeck is good West Coast QB. But like the West Coast Offense, it only works when everything is perfect. Bad year for recievers + rough year for the o-line + injuries to the QB = BAD OFFENSIVE PRODUCTION AT THE QB POSITION.

I just don’t want to see this team make the same mistake it made with #37. Trust me when I tell you, that mistake is much worse when made at the QB position.

by Jo-Jo on Nov 25, 2008 8:30 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

er, I think Mora has used the WCO before

So I really, really doubt Matt is going anywhere soon.

by djafrot on Nov 25, 2008 3:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

You may be right that this is premature. I certainly hope so.

But you saw the game; the last of John’s “8 passes” write-ups will be telling… there was no problem with his reads, no problems with routes – he simply could not execute the throws he once took for granted. That’s an important step. It’s possible that this is still somehow related to his back injury, and that he’ll be better with more time off to rest. But given his age and his pre-injury performances this year (QB rating ~ 50), you have to admit that there are reasons to believe that he may be done.

He CAN be a viable NFL QB again, but that may entail a reinvention of his game – perhaps moving more towards a Garcia/Brees style of play that doesn’t really fit with this offense, and doesn’t really fit with his reduced mobility.
Again, I’d love to believe you’re right, but man, this game is exactly what it LOOKS like when a QB reaches the end of the line. I really hope it’s all injury related, because that’s all I can do, but…. I’m pretty worried.

by marc w on Nov 25, 2008 9:57 AM PST to parent up   0 recs