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Matt Hasselbeck's Bad Day: Passes Nine through Sixteen

Through eight passes, it's clear Matt Hasselbeck is playing poorly. What is not yet clear is how Hasselbeck played worse than his numbers. The next eight evidences how.

Play Nine:

1-10-SEA 28 (4:27) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short right to 20-M.Morris to SEA 30 for 2 yards (54-H.Blades).

Seattle sets 2 WR (Right), WR (Left), TE (Left), Rb.

Washington sets in a 4-3, linebackers shaded left.

Matt Hasselbeck runs a play-action to Morris.

Seattle's wide receivers appear to "clear". That is, they run deep, but without observable patterns.

Morris slips into the right flat.

He's well covered by Blades.

Hasselbeck targets Morris for two.

Prognosis: The first in a disturbing series of nerfed pass plays. The play looks designed for Morris and though he's well covered, Hasselbeck dishes it to him.

Play Ten:

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2-8-SEA 30 (3:47) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short middle to 18-K.Robinson to SEA 44 for 14 yards (27-F.Smoot).

Seattle sets 2 WR (Right), 2 WR (Left), Rb.

Washington sets with five defensive linemen, one linebacker.

Washington, surprise, rushes five. Seattle picks it up ably.

Taylor and Engram each run go routes.

Branch, running from the right, runs a square in after 10.

Weaver runs into the flat.

Robinson, running from the left, runs a post route after 10.

Hasselbeck reads right, left, right.

Hasselbeck passes to Robinson. The ball is overthrown. Robinson makes a great diving catch (Image 1).

Prognosis: Hasselbeck's second longest pass play of the game was overthrown. Nevertheless, every quarterback gets a few bailouts from his wide receiver. Not an indictment of Hasselbeck, but further evidence that Hasselbeck's achievements were largely not his own.

Play Eleven:

1-10-WAS 22 (1:53) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short left to 43-L.Weaver to WAS 14 for 8 yards (52-R.McIntosh).

Seattle sets TE (Left), TE (Right), 2 WR (Right), Rb.

This is a rare unbalanced formation in Holmgren's offense.

Washington sets in a 4-2 nickel. Fred Smoot is walked up along the right defensive end (offensive right). Washington is playing sides of the field rather than individual receivers. Perhaps an indication they foresee something tricky in the works from Holmgren.

At the snap, Seattle's tight ends and wide receivers again "clear".

Hasselbeck looks right, left and then passes.

Leonard Weaver runs a "stop" to the left. A stop is a route where the running back runs out and around the tackle and then curls some short yardage past the line.

Hasselbeck's pass connects with Weaver. Weaver runs for four.

Prognosis: Another nerfed pass play, which, combined with four play action passes in eleven pass plays makes one wonder what really separates the Seneca Wallace training wheels playbook from the Matt Hasselbeck professional quarterback playbook.

Play Twelve:  

1-8-WAS 8 (:44) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short left to 89-J.Carlson to WAS 4 for 4 yards (27-F.Smoot).

Seattle sets WR (Left), 2 WR (Right), TE (Left), RB.

Washington in a 4-3.

Branch (left) motions in.

At the snap, Carlson blocks in.

Engram runs from the slot runs into the flat.

Robinson runs a slant.

Branch runs what looks like a "China": The receiver starts a drag but after 3 or 4 steps stops and turns towards the quarterback.

Floyd Womack and Walter Jones pull.

Carlson disengages the pile, turns towards the quarterback and takes two sweep steps offensive left.

Hasselbeck passes, Carlson overruns his blockers, the reception goes for four.

Prognosis: Another screen pass.

Play Thirteen:

2-4-WAS 4 (:35) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short left to 20-M.Morris for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Seattle sets 2 WR (Left), WR (Right), TE (Left), RB. There's that imbalance again.

Carlson is positioned wide a ~yard outside Walter Jones.

Engram is within but recessed behind the resulting gap.

Deion Branch motions from outside left to the inside, creating a brief trips-like bunch on the left.

Snap.

Robinson runs a lazy route on the right.

Branch slants in, blocks.

Carlson pulls up, blocks.

Engram runs a "mean it" route left, blocks.

Morris runs up behind the line, curls left, receives Hasselbeck's pass and-

Runs behind a dominant block by Floyd "Porkchop" Womack?

You better believe it.

Chris Spencer falls, but Womack saves the day running a defender into the ground. Defender's name withheld to protect the victim. (Double agent Brian Russell, is that you?)

Morris lowers his shoulder and drives it into the end zone.

Prognosis: Another screen pass. Robinson's lazy route is all about the play call, no knock on his effort. Engram is the only receiver who really leaves it all out there on the route and block.

Play Fourteen:

1-10-WAS 45 (14:50) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short right to 84-B.Engram to WAS 32 for 13 yards (24-S.Springs).

Seattle sets 2 WR (right), WR (left), I formation.

Left receiver Robinson is in the slot.

Washington breaks in a 4-3, left defensive end and tackle spaced wide, left outside linebacker challenging the resulting gap.

Engram is uncovered.

Play action.

Robinson runs a laggard shallow cross. I'm not thrilled with Robinson's route running or the consistency of his effort.

Branch runs deep.

Hasselbeck rolls out.

Engram runs a quick out.

Engram is uncovered.

Defensive end Demetric Evans pursues Hasselbeck.

Hasselbeck passes to Engram, Engram receives and runs for an additional eight.

Prognosis: Again, not an indictment of Hasselbeck, but he's asked to do the bare minimum on this play. Hasselbeck rolls right in vintage Alex Smith fashion and finds his Arnaz Battle, Bobby Engram, wide open.

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Play Fifteen:

1-10-WAS 32 (14:18) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short middle to 89-J.Carlson.

The route (Image 2):

Washington sets in a 4-3.

Late pass to Carlson.

London Fletched lays the wood, incomplete.

Prognosis: Hasselbeck never looks away from Carlson. Washington's linebackers drop into the natural short zones of a Cover 2. The only hope for this pass is a quick, decisive delivery. Why Hasselbeck stares down Carlson before slow-delivering despite not being under pressure is a mystery to me. Carlson does his best to come back to the ball, but this play is hopeless.

Play Sixteen:

I'm not counting sacks, so we'll skip ahead...

2-12-SEA 32 (5:29) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short right to 18-K.Robinson.

Seattle breaks WR (Left), WR (Right), TE (Left), I formation.

Washington breaks in a 4-3 with Chris Horton walked into the box for some reason.

Redskins blitz five.

Play action.

Morris attempts to get into the flat but is caught in the wash.

Weaver run blocks Horton for some reason.

Carlson runs a ten yard square in.

Robinson runs a beauty of a quick hitch: snappy, disguised and clean. Carlos Rogers falls attempting to defend it.

Beck makes one read, sees the down defender, delivers a strike and Robinson drops it.

Prognosis: That's nice. End on something positive. Tomorrow, Interceptions! Intrigue! The "Wobbler!"

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I don’t disagree with any of the above. But I feel with all the Beck bashing that’s going on someone should point out that we were down by only 3 with over seven minutes remaining and the Redskins pinned on their own two. Our defense didn’t give Beck a chance to win the game at the end.

At the beginning of the season this was supposed to be an elite defense with a serviceable offense. The collapse of the defense this season has been all about the pass coverage, and yet the nail in the coffin for this game was done on the ground, grinding down the clock. That wasn’t Brian Russel’s fault and it wasn’t Beck’s fault.

I don’t mean to be negative here, but that was far more alarming to me than the poor QB play (he is coming off injury and time off, afterall).

by Snuffleupagus on Nov 25, 2008 4:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

what?
Our defense didn’t give Beck a chance to win the game at the end.

The defense gave him the ball with 2 minutes left and he immediately threw an interception.

by scotthawk on Nov 25, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1:28 to be exact.

Which isn’t a lot of time to go 78 yards with no timeouts and the NFL’s clock rules.

by Right on Nov 25, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hasselbeck was 12/24 with 2 picks

the defense gave up only 20 ponts. Hasselbeck has been awful this year and you can’t argue that. He’s only completed 50% of his passes and has thrown 9 picks to 5 TD’s. What you can argue is why he’s been so bad, things like injuries, rhythm, recievers or whatever. We’ve got 5 more games to figure out where the team needs to go with the quarterback position next year.


Our defense didn’t give Beck a chance to win the game at the end.

I’m not sure how other people feel about this, but the last possesion isn’t any more important than any other possesion in a game. They’re all worth either 0, 3, 6, 7 or 8 points. The last one just seems more important because of what you did with your previous opportunites. Matt was a big part of blowing earlier drives, and if he hadn’t made those mistakes then we wouldn’t have needed that last minute drive.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 25, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that he’s been awful. Wouldn’t disagree. But this team was supposed to be about it’s defense. Up until this game I felt like there was something going wrong in the secondary. But on that last drive the run/pass ratio of the Redskins was like 15:1. They quite literally marched over our elite defense.

I’m not trying to defend the offense. I guess I just feel like talking about Beck after this game is like the Titans coming out of their loss to the Jets talking about how bad their run game was. It’s something to talk about, but I have more confidence in it being fixed. Is Hasselbeck suddenly a bad QB? that just seems unlikely. He’s playing poorly in a bad year.

I have much less confidence that this defense will fix itself. The final drive made it clear that it’s more than just a safety.

by Snuffleupagus on Nov 25, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't exactly call this bashing on Beck.

We’re simply discussing the realities of the NFL. ‘Beck is 34 and has an injury history. Add to that, right now he’s playing alarmingly awful. Now while I don’t think that Matt has regressed as much as his current performance seems to indicate, it’s still a big red flag.

This is something that can and should be analyzed and discussed.

by BrianL on Nov 25, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

I think it’s a fine point. It’s something to discuss. But on a priority list of things to worry about, I think his play will come back to its appropriate level. I think we should draft a QB and have him ride the bench while Beck plays out what might be a shorter than expected career.

My point was that for me it was very distressing that our defense could not stop the run when we knew the other team was going to run. That’s Detriot Lions bad.

by Snuffleupagus on Nov 26, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

cool.

Sando is linking to fieldgulls on his blog @ ESPN now.

by puerto on Nov 25, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That is cool.

I’m glad he thinks Field Gulls is worthy.

by John Morgan on Nov 25, 2008 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you watch the Ball State game?

What’d you think of their QB? He looks promising. He could be a late first round pick at the earliest, plus since he plays at a non-major conference, he might take a year or two, which is what we have supposedly, unless you want a more nfl-ready qb in case Hass misses a few games the next two years.

by LantermanC on Nov 25, 2008 8:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sold

I don’t like that he doesn’t throw with the laces. That just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

The draftniks really like him though, so if he comes out he’s definitely worth a gander.

by Right on Nov 25, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Play 10"

As you can see in the above posted photo, K-Rob was covered. The pass was thrown in exactly the only place for it to be completed, not overthrown.

by VBJohnson on Nov 25, 2008 10:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That’s a pretty tight window Hass snuck it into. You can’t place it much better than that.

And it’s always a good throw when your target can get his hands on it.

by Right on Nov 26, 2008 2:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

How is it always a good throw if your reciever can get his hands on it? What part of that implies a good throw? Did you mean servicable? Good in that its better than if he threw it into the stands type good? This is the NFL, not my backyard. A good throw is one that is placed in the position that allows for the best opportunity for his target to catch and run with the ball. If I throw behind you and you can get your hand on it, its not a good throw.

Not trying to be a dick, but QB accuracy is important and the term “good throw” should be reserved for those that actually are.

by vanrijn on Nov 26, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

if you are just arguing semantics, but in this particular case, the normal most accurate, right in the numbers throw would have been defensed by the CB, who was right on K-Rob, so the best opportunity to catch the ball was a throw out in front, where the WR could still get to it.

This particular crucial fact is what is missing from this entire analysis of Hasselbeck’s performance. If the WRs are covered all day, even the best QB on the planet is going to have a “bad day” throwing the ball.

by VBJohnson on Nov 26, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Relax dude

It’s an old football saying. As a quarterback, your target is your receiver’s hands. If you hit your target it’s a good throw is it not? Like VBJohnson said, if you’re arguing semantics that’s one thing (one very nitpicky thing). Yeah, there’s a difference between a good throw and a perfect throw, but this particular toss by Hass was closer to perfect than it was to good. No one playing in your backyard could have made it.

by Right on Nov 26, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Heres my point.

We are talking about the NFL. A perfect pass rarely happens, and would mean that NO stride was broken and the throw set the reciever up for the optimal path for YAC. A good pass would slightly break the stride or force a reciever to adjust a little; a serviceable pass is what we’re talking about here, at best. If you can only hit your target in the NFL, you are not a good QB. You had better be able to hit a small window on that target.

As JM illustrates below, said throw was not good.

by vanrijn on Nov 26, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

To be clear, I wasn’t even discussing the throw in question. Just the statement

And it’s always a good throw when your target can get his hands on it.

As I think that statement only applies when Im playing on my local field and am doing my best Joe Montana impression; the NFL it has no relevence. You’d better be able to hit your target if your getting paid millions with the best talent and coaching to support you; it’s where you hit him and what you allow him to do afterwards towards YAC/not getting his head torn off setting him up wrong that starts to qualify the quality of the throw.

by vanrijn on Nov 26, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And finally

I think if we just change good to serviceable than it would apply to that throw.

by vanrijn on Nov 26, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this qualifies as covered:

Robinson clearly has full step on Smoot. That’s about all that can be expected on a ten yard post. If Hasselbeck felt he needed to overthrow the ball to complete it then I worry about his arm strength.

by John Morgan on Nov 26, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In the other picture

Smoot has his right hand not too far from the ball. If Hass throws it to Robinson’s body, Smoot likely knocks it down (in the picture you posted, you can already see Smoot extending his arm for the swat, in the other picture his hand is at Robinson’s face).
Is it supposed to graze the defenders fingertips? Again, the placement of the ball was right where it needed to be. Hass had about a a foot and a half window in which he could put the ball, and he did.

by Right on Nov 26, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Smoot is off his feet, at full extension and his hand is barely to Robinson's facemask.

That’s a pretty big window to throw to. Any spot in front of Robinson to his fingertips would escape Smoot’s swat. Basically the entire length of Robinson’s arm. Hasselbeck threw it to Robinson’s fingertips and Robinson made a great catch.

by John Morgan on Nov 26, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So

A foot and a half is a big window to someone running at full speed? No.

Any spot in front of Robinson to his fingertips would escape Smoot’s swat
Hasselbeck threw it to Robinson’s fingertips

So, he put it exactly where it needed to be put? Thanks. I’m glad we agree.

by Right on Nov 26, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this mini-thread reminds me of a TD pass Hass threw to DJack

It was in the 2005 playoffs… can’t remember exactly when. DJack ran up the seam, the defender was on his inside shoulder, and Matt threw it behind and away. DJack twirled and made a hell of a grab.

The commentator played it a few times, noting that the throw was clearly to a spot where the defender couldn’t make a play.

It’s quite similar to this recent throw. Smoot is clearly pretty much on Robinson, especially considering this was quite a long pattern. Matt (to me) threw the ball ahead of KRob expecting him to keep running, but it looks (to me, again) like KRob was expecting the ball a little shallower. Had that ball been to KRob’s chest where he was standing, I think Smoot would have had a play on it.

by djafrot on Nov 26, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He threw it to the outer edge of where Robinson could be expected to have any chance of catching the ball

Thus, he overthrew it.

A defender does not swat a ball every time they wave their hands. Fred Smoot has seven pass defenses for the season. On this play, he’s a step behind Robinson. In the picture above Smoot is at full extension and his hand at its end range. The only pass he could realistically swat is a pass behind Robinson. His arm is at Robinson’s helmet at the moment the pass is hitting Robinson in the hands. Even a pass behind Robinson would not likely be swatted, because Smoot is late on the attempt.

I can’t quantify this, but the chance Robinson does not catch a very difficult pass seems much more likely than the chance Smoot defenses the pass. Hasselbeck slightly overthrew the pass making the completion less likely. A quarterback does not need to throw the ball where the defender can’t touch it and if doing so makes for a much more difficult reception for the receiver, I doubt the trade-off is worth it.

If you don’t agree with me, think that the risk/reward of throwing the ball well ahead of Robinson is better than the risk/reward of throwing a more catchable ball that might be defensed, that’s fine. This is a split second decision by Hasselbeck. It’s possible he did intend to throw the ball ahead of Robinson because he thought that gave Robinson the best chance of completing the pass. That’s a completely reasonable argument. The truth is, it doesn’t really matter. I offered my interpretation. I provided the picture so others can interpret. This pass neither makes nor breaks Hasselbeck’s day. It is one somewhat ambiguous pass in a series of poor plays.

by John Morgan on Nov 26, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Look again

at the picture you posted in the original post. When the ball hits Robinsons hands, with Robinson off his feet and diving, the defender’s hand is about a foot back from the ball. Perfect pass. Try to hit the numbers and the defender deflects it.

by VBJohnson on Nov 26, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

K-Rob

Do you think that a possible reason for the up-and-down effort is that he’s not in football shape still and just getting winded, or is it a mental thing still? I don’t know what his play count was or if he got rested a decent amount, but I would imagine he was out there a significant amount of time. I remember that his condition was said to be good for having been out of football, but is the month or so he’s been back been long enough to get him into game shape?

by vanrijn on Nov 26, 2008 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

it seems to me like he's getting open

which is a good sign.

But he’s dropping the ball, which is not.

by djafrot on Nov 26, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ala his first tour of duty

Im hoping that his on-again off-again effort is more a by-product of time away and being “gassed” for a play or two than being the slack-ass that I thought he was when he first played here; I’d love to see one of our old first round busts end up turning it around for us.

by vanrijn on Nov 26, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How about a compromise?

The defense has been on the field too long in most games (check time of possession) and Beck has not been performing well by most measures. We’ll need a new QB in the draft so he can learn on the bench next year. Same goes for the LT position. (& for Christmas I’d like a football player to replace Russell.)

by Bodach on Nov 26, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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