Game Thread: Seahawks @ Cowboys
by John Morgan
on Nov 27, 2008 10:30 AM PST
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Seattle Seahawks @ Dallas Cowboys
Sunday represented definitive evidence that Matt Hasselbeck is in decline. No. There's a powerful counterargument that's as Anne as the nose on plain's face:
Washington's Starting Secondary
SS 24 Shawn Springs
RCB 22 Charles Rogers
LCB 27 Fred Smoot
FS 30 Laron Landry
Nickel and dime formations included:
CB 23 Deangelo Hall
That's as talented a collection of coverage defensive backs as any team in the NFL or any team of recent memory. It's an explanation that accounts for all of Hasselbeck's failures: the too generous spacing on passes, the long holds and double clutches, the interceptions, the incompletions, the pass defenses appearing on sure completions--
Well not all. There are the persisting problems of errant passes and the rest of the season. Let's play blind man. Let's say we want Matt Hasselbeck to be fine, in the midst of a late career swoon, but primed to bounce back. Let's start with the conclusion we want and find evidence to back it.
- The first four games can be accounted for by a poor and inexperienced receiver corps.
- The game against Arizona can be accounted for by the first week back from injury.
That's not terribly unreasonable. It certainly doesn't account for just how bad Hasselbeck has played, but the excuses are plausible.
The Cowboys' pass defense is predicated on pressure. Its secondary is not playing well. Among types of targets, the Cowboys are only above average at defending #1 wide receivers. At all other positions, Dallas is average or below average.
Seattle is thin at #1, but deep at all other receiver positions. Matt Hasselbeck's read seems intact. If he hasn't lost too much arm strength and accuracy for it to matter, he should find targets today. If he doesn't, if he again cripples his team with ineffectiveness, plays like he's hurt whatever news to the contrary, the time to IR him is now and the time to draft a quarterback of the future near.
Editor's Note: Holy belly diving Christ on a Slip and Slide the Lions are bad.
Scruffy's Note: Here my Video Preview for the short week. I have a feeling this is a typical monday morning meeting for Bruce Dehaven and John Marshall.
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I desperately need Calvin Johnson to score this week
for fantasy purposes. Imagine what the man could do with a QB better than Dan Orlovsky or Daunte Culpepper.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on
Nov 27, 2008 11:27 AM PST
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Haha...
…did you JUST notice that Washington had that good of a secondary?
As for the Lions… man. I wonder if that Bradford kid is watching this and cringing at the thought of next April.
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 10:40 AM PST
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Watching Hass against the Cards
I saw more zip on the ball then I had see before he went down. But last week was the complete opposite.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on
Nov 27, 2008 10:46 AM PST
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Oh and for anyone that didn't know
Its always sunny has been picked up for 39 more episodes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on
Nov 27, 2008 10:47 AM PST
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Score!
I’m thankful for that show
by jimmimoose on
Nov 27, 2008 10:59 AM PST
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Also, in honor of the AD reference
An Arrested Development movie is supposedly in the works with Ron Howard and Mitch Hurwitz both signed on.
by niko on
Nov 27, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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I love that AD is coming back (sort of)
but how little money is that movie gonna make? Its impossible to establish all of the characters over again in the length of a movie, so only avid watchers of the show are gonna find it funny. And obviously the number of avid watchers is low, otherwise the show wouldn’t have been cancelled in the first place. —> Not going to make any money, sounds like a straight-to-DVD movie, but probably still hilarious.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on
Nov 27, 2008 11:30 AM PST
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Man,
I woke up at 11:30, turned on the TV, and saw the 35-7 score but was confused because I thought the game started at 10. Then I remembered that it was the Lions.
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 11:49 AM PST
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Heres to hoping we continue our streak
of winning games against Dallas we have no business winning.
by Nate Dogg on
Nov 27, 2008 12:12 PM PST
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Not gonna be able to post during the game
So I’ll just say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! and GO SEAHAWKS!
by MFAN on
Nov 27, 2008 12:42 PM PST
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I was a fan of the fro hawk earlier in the season
but now I’m rather lukewarm on it
by Willie Mays Haze on
Nov 27, 2008 1:31 PM PST
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Football yay
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:31 PM PST
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Trufant just stood there and let him catch that
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:31 PM PST
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the first of forty-nine PI calls
or close enough
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 1:32 PM PST
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yup
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:34 PM PST
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OH MY GOD PLAY THE #($&#($& GAME
I absolutely abhor FOX’s practice of going to commercial after kickoffs.
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 1:39 PM PST
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Nice moves KoRo
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:40 PM PST
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Weaver killed his man
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:42 PM PST
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fuck
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:43 PM PST
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way to go there julius.
damn
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 1:43 PM PST
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on a brighter note...
hass looks a LOT better on his throws early.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 1:44 PM PST
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Well, Matt looks a lot better
Julius is a little to amped up.
by MFAN on
Nov 27, 2008 1:44 PM PST
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the o-line looks decent early too.
matt’s taking 5-step drops and getting good time to throw
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 1:45 PM PST
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that witten catch could have easily been a pick
that was a fine pick
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 1:48 PM PST
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or fine catch i should say
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 1:48 PM PST
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when's Red Bryant gonna be back?
All this Howard Green does no one any good.
by Willie Mays Haze on
Nov 27, 2008 1:50 PM PST
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yup
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:51 PM PST
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wow, that was ridiculous
defensive player:
DUH COACH DEY’RE LIKE ALL SPRED OUT… COULD BE DRAW, COACH?
Marshall
No. They’re clearly going deep. Play pass.
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 1:52 PM PST
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Man, do I hate the Cowboys
I’m not usually one for schadenfreude, but I truly hope they miss the playoffs.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 1:53 PM PST
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I am a huge believer in schadenfreude
In a Seattle sports year like this it’s all I have
by Willie Mays Haze on
Nov 27, 2008 1:56 PM PST
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no, we won't be kicking any field goals today
why bother, at 2-9 and down by 21 points after the first quarter?
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 1:57 PM PST
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c'mon rocky
make a play. the hell with TO
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 1:55 PM PST
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CARLSON!
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:57 PM PST
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CARLSON!
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by tootthekazoo on
Nov 27, 2008 1:59 PM PST
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WTF
throw the hitch to the FB on 3rd and 1?
Wow, Holmy, wow.
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 2:00 PM PST
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attack the secondary guys
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:00 PM PST
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why boo julius jones?
everybody got what they wanted and he never bad-mouthed dallas.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:02 PM PST
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why attempt that throw?
even if he catches that it’s no where near a first
by Willie Mays Haze on
Nov 27, 2008 2:02 PM PST
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3rd and 23
you’re pretty much kicking a fg. you’re just trying to make it shorter.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:04 PM PST
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wilson got worked
you kinda knew that was coming.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:04 PM PST
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ugh
to make matters worse, I have Witten on my fantasy team and didn’t start him because everything I read warned me he was still too hurt.
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 2:09 PM PST
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Mark Wahlburg
will play Jim Mora in the movie inevitably made about this season.
by J_G on
Nov 27, 2008 2:12 PM PST
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i hate everything and want to die a million gallizion times
by Robert on
Nov 27, 2008 2:13 PM PST
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watch more college football
and just start imagining people in Seahawks blue.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:17 PM PST
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At this point...
I’d rather have the higher draft choice than the wins. I’d like us to be more competitive, but if you’re not going to even compete for a playoff spot ending up 7-9 does nothing for you going forward. That’s the rationalization I’m rolling with.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:16 PM PST
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three or four draft spots does not make up for the ugliness of a 2-14 season
and that doesn’t even factor in salary differences.
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 2:22 PM PST
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that's more than a few spots
it’s enough to make a difference (obviously you have to draft well).
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:25 PM PST
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c'mon deion
catch the ball
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:26 PM PST
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who the heck are the jonas brothers?
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:28 PM PST
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Man they're really picking on Vallos
sucks to be him today.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:34 PM PST
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can we all agree that Matt seems to have returned to form?
he’s not getting a whiff of help from the WR’s or offensive line.
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Nov 27, 2008 2:34 PM PST
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Looks a lot better
passes outside the numbers still have a little float but he definitely looks better
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:35 PM PST
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Julius Jones had a nice blitz pickup there at least...
Matt is looking a lot better, and on the road even.
by Strang on
Nov 27, 2008 2:41 PM PST
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thanksgiving with the seahawks
It tastes like sack.
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by wackomann on
Nov 27, 2008 2:45 PM PST
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what goes unnoticed
is that the receivers just don’t get open in tight spaces. hass is taking short drops and no one is there.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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never thought i'd yearn for the standard holmgren draw
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:47 PM PST
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Even if I didn't have to take my bloated ass to work
I would still turn this game off. Embarrassing.
Dick Dastardly and Muttley with sick laughter
by Wayward Llama on
Nov 27, 2008 2:47 PM PST
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why isn't that grounding?
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:48 PM PST
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I have nothing to add
Just a terrible matchup come to fruition.
by John Morgan on
Nov 27, 2008 3:03 PM PST
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C'mon John
you can’t be so hard on Fox for scheduling a boy band at halftime of the Thanksgiving day game.
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 3:06 PM PST
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demi lovato
Lovato may have been worse for what she did to the national anthem.
I put the over-under at two years for any of the Jonas Brothers to develop a drinking problem.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:12 PM PST
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I can't wait.
In 20 years, lifetime will put out a movie about it too.
Kirk Cameron will play all three.
by J_G on
Nov 27, 2008 3:13 PM PST
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guys, it's the JONAS BROTHERS!!!95!1!
and they brought 7 or 8 of their closest friends to be the crowd
by Will Kier on
Nov 27, 2008 3:16 PM PST
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The Jonas Brothers make my eyes and ears bleed.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:18 PM PST
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you might want to get checked out
…just to make sure it isn’t ebola virus.
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by wackomann on
Nov 27, 2008 3:20 PM PST
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If it was ebola, blood would be coming out of all holes. Luckily the Jonas
Brothers aren’t that bad
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Nov 27, 2008 3:27 PM PST
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reminds me...
That sounds like a bad night of consuming Olestra-laced foods.
Somewhat unrelated, Peter Griffin once said Christina Aguilera was offensive to all five senses.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:30 PM PST
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"You know when something smells really bad?"
“Like you can just, taste it? You taste salty to me.”
by SeaTownBlueDevil on
Nov 27, 2008 3:39 PM PST
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Gorgeous pass to Carlson
yay, nice to see you back, Matt.
by djafrot on
Nov 27, 2008 3:23 PM PST
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had some zip to the outside
nice
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 3:24 PM PST
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nice little grab there on Engram
no wonder he coudn’t make it to the ball.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:26 PM PST
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sigh...
Looks like John Carlson may have brought Field Goal Jesus with him.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:26 PM PST
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offense is just incapable of scoring 20 points
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Nov 27, 2008 3:28 PM PST
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holy crap should have gone for it on 4th down
not going to score 24 points through FGs
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Nov 27, 2008 3:32 PM PST
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Tru, nice pick
Nice of Russell not to screw up Tru’s play on the ball this time.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:34 PM PST
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truuuufant
Well, something went the Seahawks’ way. That might be the one positive thing we can hang our hats on today.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:34 PM PST
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The offense has moved the ball reasonably well
lots of negative plays though.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:35 PM PST
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audio
I’ve been listening to the KIRO audio feeds most of the year, and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard “______ runs into a wall” out of Raible’s mouth during a Seahawk drive.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:42 PM PST
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Why can't we run a damn screen today?
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by dcrockett17 on
Nov 27, 2008 3:36 PM PST
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screw pride
Hasselbeck should have been IR’d already. I only want a couple more years out of him because it appears Carlson might not be that bad of a tight end, and goodness knows it’s been rare Hasselbeck has had a solid tight end to throw to with this offense.
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by wackomann on
Nov 27, 2008 3:39 PM PST
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reverse takedown!
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Nov 27, 2008 3:43 PM PST
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jennings limping after that flagged punt...
Hope that doesn’t turn out badly…
…but really, this Seahawk season has been a season of almosts. A year of almost-sacks and almost-interceptions by the defense, and a year of almost breaking off big runs or almost turning upfield after the catch for a score or almost making big plays.
In hockey, you would call this “lack of finish.”
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by wackomann on
Nov 27, 2008 3:45 PM PST
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Why does it seem like QBs can always get away from a sack with us?
Kinda frustrating
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Nov 27, 2008 3:50 PM PST
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stomp
I did apologize in advance to everyone at work this week for being subjected to watching this sad sack of a Seahawk team on Thanksgiving.
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Nov 27, 2008 3:53 PM PST
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Walter just pancakes Ware.
Looks like Ware is injured badly.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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Leroy Hill
At this point I’m inclined to say that we’re better off letting him walk and finding another guy in the draft. (Previously, I’d been in the “sign Hill” camp.)
Thoughts?
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Nov 27, 2008 4:07 PM PST
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I'd let him walk
Seattle needs to be realistic about its chances next season. There are better uses for that money.
by John Morgan on
Nov 27, 2008 4:13 PM PST
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Would we get a 3rd round compensation pick? or 4th?
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Nov 27, 2008 4:17 PM PST
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I fear
that he’s a guy that never takes the next step to being a complete linebacker, but would be paid like he has.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:20 PM PST
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A lot of money floating around there
and a team looking for a pass rusher/run stopper will get just that.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:22 PM PST
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I love Hill
and hope he gets a shot to do his thing on a unit that takes advantage of what he brings to the table. But yeah, there are better ways to spend that kind of scratch.
The offensive line needs an all but complete overhaul. Just start there…
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Nov 27, 2008 4:28 PM PST
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Well it's awful today
I’m not sure it’s been awful all season. It’s hard to work around a hole at center. It’s not unlike the Rob Sims torn pectoral game. That’s Steve Vallos, like a competent offensive linemen with one arm. I do think the team needs a GREAT offensive linemen somewhere. I would love Seattle to trade down and grab Duke Robinson. Seattle also needs help on the defensive line. I really want to get Raji in there.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:33 PM PST
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Not awful...
but little that you wanna hang your hat on going forward. Spencer I still say is a keeper. You can just about bank on another better-than-average years from Walt. I’m not sure what to make of Locklear, but we’re stuck with him anyway.
Duke Robinson is the only great guard. Should we be unable to land him, Herman Johnson is another guy who could come in an help.
I haven’t seen Raji play. I have seen Peria (Ol’ Miss) and like him a good bit.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:42 PM PST
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So Hasselbeck has looked better, but by no means good.
by John Morgan on
Nov 27, 2008 4:23 PM PST
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Maybe this game will shutup the Spencer haters.
Vallos has been bad.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:28 PM PST
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and how
other than no botched exchanges Vallos didn’t make anyone forget Spencer that’s for sure.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:32 PM PST
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When he's had time he's looked much more himself.
That last pick was just a prayer to Branch.
I wish this team had a receiver that has a chance to catch that kind of ball. With Branch you have no chance on that kind of pass.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:33 PM PST
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Yeah, it was triple coverage.
Not many receiver will get that. Nevertheless, I don’t knock Hasselbeck for that. He’s looked more like himself. I just don’t think we should see the one good game as normal and the rest of the season as an aberration.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:35 PM PST
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No, not many receivers have a chance at that particular pass.
I just wish we had one that could win a few jump balls. I’m concerned every time a pass goes Branch’s way because of how small of a target he is. It doesn’t take much for the defense to knock the ball away from him. Which somewhat limits the type of passes that will work with him.
I still think if healthy, Hass can be a very good QB. I think it’s just a question of if he can stay healthy. Especially with the inconsistency of the Oline.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:39 PM PST
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haha
Some fantasy owner out there is eating turkey and is pissed right now because Olindo Mare isn’t attempting a fourth field goal.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:41 PM PST
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Carlson with 100 yards receiving!
And Duckett needs more carries.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:41 PM PST
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the team's not good...
Let’s say the Seahawk team was as good as the last couple years — that wouldn’t make this year’s schedule any less brutal.
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Nov 27, 2008 4:45 PM PST
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