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The Tape: Mike Holmgren Losing with Tim Ruskell's Team

Has the game passed Holmgren by or has Seattle just moved on? Consider: When you look at Seattle's offense, its original eleven, the spare parts called in to hold it together, how many Seahawks actually fit Holmgren's scheme?

Locklear maybe at right tackle, but he's not the power left tackle Holmgren builds his ground game on. Mike Wahle was a Holmgren guy as is his replacement, Floyd Womack. Womack and Wahle move well in space and know how to get a hat on the right defender. Each is more assignment correct than powerful and that seems to agree with Holmgren. Chris Spencer has aggravated Holmgren to no end. Spencer is toolsy and raw. The opposite of gritty, vigilant field General Robbie Tobeck. Rob Sims has twice Chris Gray's talent and half his knowledge. Spencer and Sims have endured persistent criticism by Holmgren. It's not too surprising then that Holmgren is sweet on Spencer's replacement, Steve Vallos, a try hard guy that's often in the right place - much that it matters. Julius Jones is stylistically a Holmgren guy. The split between the two seems personal. Leonard Weaver is a player of immense talent playing for a coach that wishes he was Mack Strong. Not that kind of talent, Mike. John Carlson is a Holmgren guy. Carlson isn't just good, Holmgren is intent on running the offense through him. His team leading targets is not simply his skill at getting open; Holmgren builds plays around Carlson. Courtney Taylor's infrequent snaps are televised wind sprints. TJ Duckett isn't a Holmgren guy and if not for short yardage I'm not sure he'd see a snap. Holmgren is rewarding Morris with touches, but it's clear he still doesn't see Morris as a feature back. Among receivers, Engram is the Holmgren guy and Mike was only too happy to build a passing attack around him in 2007. Deion Branch doesn't seem like a Holmgren guy, but I'm not sure why. Maybe Holmgren think he's too small. The slight, speedy Branch makes Darrell Jackson look outright beefy.

Part of why Seattle's offense is so dysfunctional is the diaspora of Holmgren guys and their subsequent replacement with Ruskell guys. One is choosing the employees and the other the work. It's not working for anyone.

That's especially true about the offensive line. I don't think Holmgren could have envisioned a worse bunch of sucks to design plays around. Of course, that bunch of sucks is probably 3/5ths Seattle's line of the future. One would hope they take their suck cleats off before becoming part of whatever offense Ruskell is convinced is best. The Ruskell guys are kind: Willis and Wrotto are big and bruising and bumbling. Wrotto doesn't quit blocks, but man does he ever miss blocks. Willis: ditto. Since starting the replacements, Seattle has looked best running right. I'm not certain the rude data provided by play-by-play would back that, but the line flexes better that way, the lanes look cleaner and the blocks more dominant. Seattle has also looked sloppiest running right. There are more free defenders, penalties, linemen standing in zones and ardent triple teams while another defender runs free. That's the Yin and Yang of Seattle's new look line, and while its failures seem to impugn both Mike Holmgren and Tim Ruskell, I think it's fair to say that relationship has gone terminal. It's a power struggle won with the defeated male still skulking in the shadows. Both deserve a clean break and future reconsideration, because both are better than this.

Notes:

Star-divide

Baraka Atkins Saw More Snaps than Lawrence Jackson: And didn't do a thing with them. There's still much to love. Atkins needs to fill out a little, because he's agile and a threat when he gets the first surge, but liable to get blown off the line and weakest backpedaling.

Locklear Really Didn't Play Well: But also wasn't where the action was. Call it a push.

Wallace is Fiery but Rarely Hot: Wallace blew his lid, the offense played better and surely that cannot be coincidental. Like most story lines, that it isn't falsifiable gives it legs. A more interesting question is: Was Wallace justified in excoriating his offense? He isn't the first quarterback faced with a nickel blitz, but most can find the hot route rather than reel or rollout into oblivion.

On this play:

3-8-SL 49 (7:24) (Shotgun) S.Wallace pass incomplete deep middle to J.Carlson (R.Bartell) [J.Craft].

Wallace couldn't find Engram uncovered in the left slot. Engram identified it, looking back as soon as Jason Craft blitzed. Engram was barely covered by Chris Draft and a well placed pass would have led to the first and more. Wallace kept his eyes right and attempted a one read, ill-advised toss towards Carlson. The pressure came because of confusion between Womack and Weaver. Womack, specifically, looked unsure of whom to block and so let Craft streak past him. Still, DB blitzes are often unpredictable and hard to block, but the tradeoff is open receivers and mismatches.

On this play:

2-8-SEA 9 (2:25) S.Wallace pass short middle to J.Carlson to SEA 36 for 27 yards (O.Atogwe) [W.Witherspoon].

The Rams blitzed nickelback Craft and ROLB Will Witherspoon. I want to give Wallace more credit here, but everything about this seems like a designed play. Seattle set with two tight ends right: Outside Willis, Will Heller and outside him, John Carlson. At the snap, Heller ran straight at Pisa Tinoisamoa, picking him and creating the bubble for Carlson to curl into. Wallace read Carlson from the snap and I'm not sure it was heroics or great timing, but instead just lucky coincidence that Wallace passed before being clobbered. Carlson caught the ball and cut into the spot vacated by Craft and Witherspoon, untouched for an additional twenty. That's pretty much how you counter a DB blitz.

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Unfortunately LA is not one of the two areas that showed this game,

so I’m glad to see that at least one person is taking Applesauce down a peg. I would hate to see anyone pencil him in as a starter long term.

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 15, 2008 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Applesauce?

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Dec 15, 2008 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

think about it.

what (who) do you put applesauce on?

If it’s any consolation, I had to think about it too.

by djafrot on Dec 15, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually had to google that.

That’s a new one on me.

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Dec 15, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

PorkChop?

I thought he was referring to Seneca (its a brand of Applesauce).

by kearly on Dec 15, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

could be, I'm Canadian

we don’t get your weird brands up here!

by djafrot on Dec 16, 2008 3:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Correct. I'm referring to Seneca.

I'm signing Yuni and Silva up for The Biggest Loser.

by abender20 on Dec 16, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

John, Please Clarify

When you write:

I don’t think Holmgren could have envisioned a worse bunch of sucks to design plays around. Of course, that bunch of sucks is probably 3/5ths Seattle’s line of the future.

What does that mean? I’ve been reading you for awhile now and have seen you throw out “sucks” on a few occasions, and I’m struck by the fact that that word doesn’t seem to mean to you what it means to me.

So when you say (paraphrasing) “the OLine sucks” do you mean (a) they’re irredeemably bad; (b) they’re bad in the system/scheme they’re playing in; © they’re playing below their talent level, but are capable of more; (d) all of the above; (e) none of the above; (f) don’t ask such sucky questions newbie.

It’s a semantic thing, but for me that kind of criticism is synonymous with saying the player is hopeless and we need to move on to someone else. I just want to know if that’s what you mean or not. If it is, then I suggest lots of drinking for foreseeable future.

by Kumar on Dec 15, 2008 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

B

Privately, I would guess Holmgren thinks they suck. By Holmgren’s criteria, Sunday represented a nightmare line.

by John Morgan on Dec 15, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

In regards to the OLine...

The optimist in me likes the potential and strength of Wrotto and Willis, the fact that they get one hell of a push when they’re headed downhill. I think run blocking could end up being a nice strength of this offense (Atlanta in the Ruskell/Mora era anyone?), but it is definitely a hit/miss account right now, as you stated. Hopefully (again, the optimist) we will be able to see some of the growth in more playing time out of those two akin to what we saw from Sims and Spencer.

Overall, though, I think that this is one of the best posts I’ve read out of JM in quite some time (please do not take that as a criticism). I had really not thought of this before. I have to think about it some more, and how that would potentially affect what we consider come draft-day. It also makes the new offensive coordinator hire all the more important.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Dec 15, 2008 7:51 PM PST reply actions  

You'd think with his hires, he'd do it right.

Mora will get his input too, but Ruskell will be sitting the potential guys down, talking about the personnel, and figuring out who can win with his players. I’m sure he already has an idea of who he wants to bring in, but if his talent-acquisition follows a plan, he’ll have a coaching style and playcalling style in his plan too. My opinion is that with him finding his coaches this offseason, he should be able to match up the talent with the coaching.

But this is a big test for him, if he can’t do that his talent will be squandered…instead of being used to their strengths.

by cashless on Dec 16, 2008 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

It's funny you say that.

For me, I was so flippin tired, this was a get it in the hopper and forget you ever wrote it post.

But thanks.

by John Morgan on Dec 16, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I think another are worth looking at would be:

 Ruskell’s defensive acquisitions playing in John Marshall’s defense.

Even when the defense was decent in 06-07 it was clearly underachieving considering the individual talent level.

It kind of feels like Ruskell has been adding defensive players not to fit what Marshall does but to fit the vision he has had for this defense the whole time – and the defense which will be entirely on his watch come 2009.

Every once in awhile the individual talents of a Mebane, Kerney, Tatupu, Hill, Peterson, Trufant or Grant will overcome the system and we get a nice defensive performance. But for the most part it has been maddingly inconsistent going from elite to average to poor to horrendous on a week to week basis over the last few years.

Give the right DC 4 probowlers as well as Mebane, Hill, Grant and two 1st rounders in Jennings and Jackson and you should have a top 10 defense.

I really think with minimal moves (Grant to fs, rookie SS) this defense could be pretty good next season.

by puerto on Dec 15, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions  

agreed

I really started to notice that this year as well. It became pretty obvious that Marshall had no idea how to utilize Peterson or Hill which is pretty frightening when you think about it. I don’t buy the whole idea of moving Grant to SS, it makes no sense. Jackson seems like he would be pretty decent in coverage, how many times has he sent a blitz from the opposite side and dropped him back into coverage? Might be a new wrinkle.

by Hancock.Brett on Dec 16, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder

what Hutch looked like year one. I wish I had some tapes on his first year, his first game. Was it a thing of beauty, or something to build upon.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 16, 2008 5:15 AM PST reply actions  

I don't remember his first season too specifically...

but I’ve talked to Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com several times about his having written about Hutch at the Senior Bowl that year. We have this conversation before every draft, and Rob always says the same thing — as long as he’s been doing this, Steve Hutchinson is the single best college player he’s ever evaluated. That Hutch was just doing jaw-dropping stuff that week.

by Doug Farrar on Dec 16, 2008 6:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Much thanks

what does that say about Ruskell? I have let go of my anomosity regarding some of the jaw dropping, at time ignorant moves, but man… that is tough to hear while watching Adrian Peterson win the MVP.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 16, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't say anything about Ruskell

He got too cute for his own good, tried to transition Hutch instead of franchising him and the Vikings screwed us over. One part too smart for his own good, one part too cheap for his own good (the outrageous money he was offered was 2 years later the salary of above average guards) and one part dirty rotten Vikings. It doesn’t mean he didn’t know how good Hutch is, it doesn’t mean he isn’t a good GM, it doesn’t mean he can’t build an offense, it doesn’t mean there was an ego battle with Holmgren, it means he made a mistake.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 16, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said

I want to feel the same… he has a similar decision with Hill… not the same caliber of player… but will be telling… TBH, I have no idea what I’d do…

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 16, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

People get blinded by the Hutch fiasco

and they ignore Grant and Jurevicious, they down play Tatupu, worry about what will happen with Hill when Ruskell was the guy who drafted him, complain about how Jones is used but think it’s a travesty that Ruskell is “forcing” Holmgren out, are appalled at the low state of the ‘08 Hawks when Ruskell built the tradition of winning. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 16, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Alas...

I’m still stuck on picking the wrong Jackson… if we could only do it over, Desean for Lawrence (aka, The Secret).

You can give Ruskell props for 2005 and the moves he has made to take a good team to the top, but we cannot say we are better.

That said, it may be no ones falut… and I’ll go with that… much thx!

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 16, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Lo-Jack still has time

and I would still take him with our pick. DE’s take a while to develop. I imagine Jackson is very confused right now, he’s never played for a losing team and he’s probably never struggled to have some success. Jackson needs to make a few adjustments and I think he’ll start to show up.

by MFAN on Dec 16, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

How about Peterson

Kerney, Grant, Tapp, Wahle, all these guys are post 2005. I’m not sure how we’re not better, this team hadn’t won a playoff game in 21 years before Ruskell had gotten here. He took half a team and gave it depth and a defense. He’s spent high round picks on immediate help for the defense and has wisely spent later round picks on raw but talented offensive players for the future (Wrotto, Willis, Taylor, Obomanu, Forsett). This year has proven to be a bit of a gap year with a lot of the young players still a little bit off and a lot of the old players aging faster than expected, compounded by injuries.

I;m just not sure what team you watched in ‘02 and ’03 to make youy think that the Ruskell era hasn’t been better.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 16, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Well stated..

what I saw in ’02, ’03, ’04, ’05 was a team that could score like mad, that had growing talent on the side of the ball that needs many talents to win super bowls.

What changed in ’05 was a few tweaks to the D (not to be underscored, important…), and one huge WR playing a career year that could block like a motha downfield.

My point is this: Offense wins conferences, defense wins championships. However, it is much easier to improve a defense with one player at any position on defense, where it take a multitude of talent to change an offense.

I would rather be Kansas City right now than Seattle. I love Tyler Thigpen, they have two legitimate running backs, a young growing offensive line, a star in the making at WR, have shown massive growth in production and points over the course of the year.

In two years, barring injury, and assuming Thigpen pans out, KC is a contender.

That cannot be said for Seattle.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 17, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Does Mora have a good handle on defensive play?

Does he know how to get the best out of the talent we have? Right now he has to direct his DB’s under Marshall. Are any of you knowledgeable fans hopeful for next season, regardless of the draft?

by Bodach on Dec 16, 2008 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

I'm hopeful for next season, but I'm not Super Bowl or nothing.

I want to see this team compete again and would be happy to chase the playoffs and celebrate ~nine times.

by John Morgan on Dec 16, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I really think the Cards have blown their wad.

The division is very up in the air, as of next year.

by djafrot on Dec 16, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

A very intersting article indeed

Look at Weaver; it took ages to begin to tap into his abilities. Even now, I still think he can be used out of position once Schmitt gets up to speed.

by myx on Dec 16, 2008 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

Also,

Is Wallace Mora’s guy?

by myx on Dec 16, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

In what way?

As a starter, not likely. As a backup, I wouldn’t see any reason why not.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 16, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

We could be better

Despite all the injuries and whatnot, we still could have won 5 more games.

by seahawks19and0 on Dec 16, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

Meh, they've had a couple close losses

But overall the Seahawks have played like a 3-11 team.

by MFAN on Dec 16, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

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