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The Top Ten Seahawks Stories That Weren't: #7: Olindo Mare Sucks

Wow, Olindo Mare. We're saved. A guy who got run out of Miami and New Orleans because he sucks. Let's hear from the Ruskell knee-pad crowd how great a move this was...what an upgrade over Josh Brown.-nighthawk2

There's a laundry list here, but I found this one particularly amusing. I mean, us Ruskell lovers don't need no knee-pads, we hurt for our man.

nighthawk2 might articulate his mistake more amusingly than most, but most Seahawks fans questioned signing Mare. He was a brutal in 2007, making just 58.8% of field goal attempts. In the NFC South. In the Superdome. Before being placed on the IR. See how easy it is to construct a case against Mare? And I haven't even resorted to pseudo-argumentation yet.

Kickers are like golfers sometimes you just loose it. At one time Ian Baker-Finch was one of the best golfers in the world, then all of a sudden he could barely break 90. He never got it back. Reminds me of Mare. -Houck Fin

See, I think kickers are like monster trucks sometimes you just outgroow it. At one time every boy I knew wanted to see Grave Digger, then all of sudden he could barely break Corvairs. He never got it back. Reminds me of Mare.

Mare didn't do enough in to 2007 to prove much of anything. He was still top five in touchback percentage (28.8%), so he hadn't lost leg strength. He missed seven field goals on 17 attempts. That's got to mean something, right? Not really. It's 17 attempts. From week 7 to week 13 of the 2007 season, Josh Brown missed five of 17 attempts. That's not as bad, but it's bad. It's also pretty meaningless. It's 17 attempts.

I didn't expect Mare to play this well. I did think he was a smart free agent signing. His accuracy kicking field goals is a pleasant surprise, but small samples produce pleasant and not so pleasant surprises. Over the last two seasons, Mare has converted field goals on 78% of attempts. His career average is 80.5%. Figure that.

...and he has 194 touchbacks in 837 career attempts.

That's where the Mare sucks story derails.

There is effectively no correlation between a kicker’s field-goal percentage one season and his field-goal percentage the next. But average kickoff distance shows more consistency from season to season than almost any other individual statistic in the N.F.L. --Aaron Schatz

The two abilities are almost equal in value. It makes sense kickoffs would be more consistent: It's a larger sample with fewer variables. A kicker kicks kickoffs from a tee and is not dependent on his snapper, holder or blockers.

The story that wasn't really wasn't, as Mare has been among the best kickers in the NFL. Now about this Coutu kid...

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nighthawk2 thinks John hates white people

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 18, 2008 4:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Makes no sense

With Mare doing so well, why is Coutu even still around? This dumbfounds me. Are we waiting for next season, to cut Mare and start Coutu? For what?

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Dec 18, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yep, this is something I don't really get.

Is Mare going to just crumble up and die? He’s not THAT old.

Coutu cost us a seventh rounder. Big deal. Cut the kid, let him go somewhere else and play. Meanwhile, give us a roster spot for some depth or -even better – a developmental player, like one of those forty-five young receivers we’ve got floating around.

by djafrot on Dec 19, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coutu was a hedge...

to a reasonably smart (and not terribly expensive) gamble on Mare that happened to pay off in spades. Olindo Mare is this season’s Brad Lidge-lite (minus the championship team of course). Like Lidge, Mare ran into some tough times after being quite good for a long time. In such cases, “He lost it,” is always a sexier (and simpler) story than a mixture of probable injury, some age-related decline, and a bit of tough luck over a small sample size. The simpler explanation wasn’t the correct one in Mare’s case.

At the same time, some of the belly-aching over Coutu’s roster spot seems a bit overdone. Ruskell was rolling the dice a bit on Mare. Maybe Mare really had “lost it.” If so, Coutu was a useful hedge. My guess is that Ruskell figured that in the worst case scenario he could platoon the pair, using the kid on short-to-medium FG attempts and Mare on kickoffs/long FGs. (Didn’t he do that in ATL, or was that after he left?)

The bigger point in my opinion is that with all but a couple games to go in this “doomsday” scenario season, we can probably make a reasonable estimate of the real opportunity cost of having Coutu on the roster. I’d suggest it hasn’t been very high. (And that’s even granting that Ruskell may be way overvaluing this kid’s upside.) There’s been a good bit of bottom-of-the roster churn this season. For all that activity, can we really say that a player was out there who could have really helped us but we couldn’t find a spot for him? Was there a player we signed but then had to release in order to keep Coutu? We lost Forsett, and fortunately got him back. Frankly, the odds were that a) he wouldn’t stick in Indy, and b) Michael Bumpus would have filled in capably on punt returns.

I’m not a “Ruskell or bust” guy but I don’t think he’s a moron either. My biggest criticism is that he seems to me a mostly reactive (rather than anticipatory) GM, which often means that you overreact (and overpay). But dealing with the kicking situation is one instance where I think Ruskell has been mostly anticipatory. He has been prepping for life after Josh Brown for a while (though he bungled the long snapper thing last season).

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 19, 2008 5:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Anticipatory, maybe ...

but when you anticipate incorrectly, you need to be able to react to correct your mistake. I have no judgement on this move at this point in the season (as I did earlier, now that the whole frickin’ thing is a wash), but I am interested to see how the kicking game is worked out this off season.

by Jo-Jo on Dec 19, 2008 7:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just because it didn't hurt us doesn't mean it was smart roster contruction

Keeping that second kicker left guys like Adams and Forsett vulnerable on the practice squad. It didn’t add any value to the team and the only potential outcomes were neutral to bad. It was poor process.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 19, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Seahawks, along with the rest of the NFL...

all agreed that Adams and Forsett weren’t good enough to be on their rosters. The last spot on the roster will generally be inactive every week. I don’t see why it’s a big deal to carry Coutu.

If Mare had gone down like the rest of the Seahawks offense or underperformed, we’d have been happy to have Coutu around.

by PascoJoe on Dec 19, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Colts thought Forsett was good enough to be on their roster

and the Seahawks agreed that it was a mistake to let him get away and brought him back once they had the chance. And Adams is on the team now as well. The practice squad isn’t a place filled out by 8 crappy players. guys like Ryan Grant, Derrick Ward, and Tyler Thigpen were all grabbed off of other teams practice squads.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 19, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, nighthawk, one of the "special" denizens of the

News-Tribune blog. One reason why I don’t comment there.

by redwolf75 on Dec 19, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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