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What to do with Mike Wahle?

Ten months ago I entitled a post Sign Mike Wahle. Two days later, Seattle signed Mike Wahle. There was much rejoicing. The move looked very solid. Wahle did not need to be a Pro Bowl guard to dramatically improve Seattle's offensive line. Moving Rob Sims from left to right and replacing Chris Gray improved two positions.

That didn't happen. Wahle, Sims and Gray are now all out for the season. Gray is enjoying paid retirement. Sims is cheap, young and still in the mix for right guard next season. Wahle, well...

Wahle had his moments in the sun:

The play is a sweep left with Mike Wahle pulling. Wahle is running up and wide, attempting to get in front of Jones and provide a lead block in the second level, but Wahle recognizes Patrick Willis breaking on Jones and cuts up field, engaging Willis. Wahle rides Willis, and Jones turns the corner. Willis - who is, if we can shed our homerism for a second, pretty damn awesome - disengages from Wahle and tackles Jones after seven.

At the snap, the Rams blitz seven. Walter Jones blocks hard in, Mike Wahle drops back but delays his pull, Chris Spencer pulls into the second level, engaging Will Witherspoon, and Carlson locks down Pisa Tinoisamoa. Julius Jones runs up behind Jones, Wahle completes his pull dominating Bartell, Jones cuts out, cuts back behind Tinoisamoa and enters the third level with only three to beat. His wending, 32 yard rush is a legitimate third gear from pay dirt.

And his false starts, holds and pass protection problems:

[W]hen Justin Tuck moved into the interior, it was on the defensive right side opposite Mike Wahle. Tuck handled Wahle, getting two play changing pressures of the instant variety. Wahle is not as good a pass blocker as Rob Sims and it shows. His feet are good and he's an asset in the run game, but all things considered, I sort of misses Sims' steadiness. People remember the big gaffes, but I watched Sims be a rock almost all season and the time he afforded Matt Hasselbeck was crucial for Seattle's passing game.

In ten games started, Wahle allowed 3.5 sacks. Quarterbacks usually avoid a sack allowed by a guard because the pressure typically arrives from the front. Wahle's 3.5 sacks allowed represents a fraction of the pressures, incompletes and quarterback hits allowed by Wahle. Over 26 games in the past two seasons, Wahle has allowed 8 sacks. That's a lot of blown block in pass pro.

The pass protection problems are real and with Seattle rebuilding, an expensive, declining left guard seems an expense unworthy of keeping. Wahle is guaranteed 5.5 million, all of which has been paid. If Seattle becomes the second team to cut Wahle in two seasons, it will be on the hook for more than 2.33 million in dead money, but will save 1.94 million in cap space. That doesn't seem much to save for a team without a true successor at left guard. Cutting Wahle, at least cutting Wahle before the draft, commits Seattle to either drafting a starter-ready replacement or signing another retread. Should that retread be talented, given the market for guards, he would be extremely expensive.

The smarter move would be to retain Wahle and attempt to restructure his contract. Seattle should have leverage given his recent injuries. Seattle needs an upgrade at left guard, but why limit its options in the draft? Why cut talent without gaining much salary flexibility? A cut would seem more punitive than practical. Don't cut Mike Wahle.

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Makes sense to me.

He’s certainly a better option than Womack.

by djafrot on Dec 2, 2008 4:24 PM PST   0 recs

John - ideally how would you see next years line?

You suggested before that you felt like an OT isn’t a definite need if Walter Jones has two more years in him. so how would you see next year’s line?

Jones – Wahle – Spencer – Sims -Lock

Something like that? Allowing the team to use it’s draft picks to shore up a QB of the future, a safety and whatever talent fallows after that?

Personally I’m strong in favor of drafting the best o-lineman available with our first pick, but I’m a sucker for the line of scrimmage. I’m just trying to gauge how you see a best case scenario for the o-line heading into next year?

by Snuffleupagus on Dec 2, 2008 5:15 PM PST   0 recs

Restructuring

I agree that it would be the best and most ideal move in restructuring Wahle. He wanted to come and play here, so he may be amenable to that scenario. OL depth is crucial and who knows who we will lose this off-season to FA or injury. Wahle is a good player, but hasn’t dominated like many of us thought. That makes him feel like a disappointment, but not creating reason to cut him, necessarily. I wonder: will he start for us next year? Can he play on the right side, if we draft a LT who plays guard the first year. Is that something you guys could see happening? Oher or someone playing next to Walt, or would it be more likely to have a rookie OT, provided we draft a starting-caliber one, play RT until Walt is done?

by Misfit74 on Dec 2, 2008 9:34 PM PST   0 recs

maybe

Jones-Wahle-Spencer- M Oher/A Smith/ D Robinson (trade down) – Locklear

I think Michael Oher and Andre Smith are two elite OT prospects that could start and play guard at a high level as rookies while Walt holds down the LT spot.

WR and QB is always a big crap shoot in the 1st round and getting it wrong can cripple a team. Though if Sam Bradford declares he’s definately worth a look see, I think he’s special – not really big on Stafford, Sanchez, Tebow or Freeman. I like Nate Davis outside of the 1st.

I also really like Crabtree but we can’t afford for him to be a bust and we could grab a Maclin, Harvin, Heyward-Bey, Williams, Britt, Iglesias, Robiskie later.

I do like Taylor Mays and William Moore but there is very very good safety value in the 2nd-3rd (Chung, Chancellor, Rashad Johnson, Greene, Harris, Pegues)

Oline is the safe and valuable way to go. These guys are low risk are worth the money and can have long careers.

by puerto on Dec 3, 2008 12:46 AM PST   0 recs

How safe is the O-line? Are they actually low-risk?

Can anybody tell me how any of the last four drafts O-linemen are doing? Its not that I think they’re doing poorly, you just rarely ever hear about O-linemen, so I have no idea how any of these guys are playing.

Heres the list of first round O-linemen (excluding this years draft because its too early):

2007: Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, Joe Staley, Ben Grubbs
2006: D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold
2005: Jamaal Brown, Alex Barron, Logan Mankins, Chris Spencer
2004: Robert Gallery, Shawn Andrews, Vernon Carey

*Other than Thomas, Mangold, Spencer, and Gallery, I have no idea if any of these guys are having successful careers that are worthy of a first-round pick (and the money involved). Anybody know?

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 3, 2008 4:51 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The o-line is safer than most positions because of flexibility

Gallery is undoubtedly a bust but he’s been serviceable for the Raiders at guard. Carey has been a disappointment as well but from what I’ve heard he’s filled the Porkchop role for Miami. There are essentially 5 places you can play an o-lineman at so you have a lot more options.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 3, 2008 7:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

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