The Tape: Jets @ Seahawks: Notes: The Kyle Williams Whodunit
I'm running a notes section this week. Today I present the first third of the game. Up to the point where Josh Wilson retrieved a comically dumb pass by Brett Favre. Today's emphasis is on Kyle Williams, how Seattle survived Kyle Williams, Maurice Morris, the frenetic Will Herring and secret Santa Kevin Hobbs.
Surviving Kyle Williams: The first step is matching him against Kenyon Coleman. The journeyman is not what an excitable fan would call a "force". The second step is to protect him. Seattle ran four two tight end sets, two shotgun sets, chipped Coleman once with Leonard Weaver and even ran a max protect. Only the max protect and shotgun overlapped, meaning the Hawks kept it conservative on seven of its first thirteen offensive plays. The third step is to face a Jets team with its head arseways. New York, presumably completely content not to scout Seattle, blitzed only once - an impossibly slow safety blitz that managed to avoid Seattle's seven blockers and contributed to an incomplete - and twice rushed three. The fourth step is to avoid Williams. Seattle ran eight plays (runs + passes) to the right before attempting a play (run) off left end. And that run segues nicely into the final, secret step: get a pretty good showing out of Williams. It took a quarter, but Seattle finally looked left. Morris rushed off left end, and Williams got into space and executed a svelte little, squared shoulders, feet a movin', knees high, pull block to provide the edge.
Morris versus the line: Runner rushes for 100+. Quarterback avoids being sacked. The line must have played well. I'm not so smart or old to know, but I think the 90s Cowboys must have inaugurated the age of overrated line play. Obviously, the offensive line matters. A great one gets you far. I'm not so sure a great one gets you farther than any other five great players. My complaint is that for all the attention given the importance of offensive lines, it doesn't seem too many people bother to pay attention to them. Instead, the line gets the love once reserved for skill position players. I mean, maybe Maurice Morris was mostly responsible for his hundred yards. He wasn't exactly draggin' ass through gaping holes.
As a quick and dirty measure of Morris's effectiveness versus the effectiveness of the line, I decided to track Morris's yardage after first contact. To this point, Morris had 31 yards rushing on five carries. That's what I call damn good. 11 yards came after contact. That's 21 yards achieved before contact. A testament to Seattle's run blocking. 10 yards came on a thirteen yard run off right end. Ray Willis, the lone remaining starter from Seattle's week one line, was the star of that run. Nevertheless, Morris rushes were almost exclusively outside, and though the line deserves credit for creating an edge, Morris deserves more for finding a corner. A third into the game, it's a toss up: Both deserve credit.
Pinball Wizard: Get this kid some Adderall! I've never seen a linebacker so incapable of finishing any one action before beginning another. God put quicksilver in his veins and it's seeped into his brains. Kid's just goofy agile, real quick and goofy frenetic. Jitters aside, Will Herring brings some interesting qualities. First, let's talk Herring the run stuffer. He's not. Herring stays above the scrum so that his tackles tend to come a couples yards too late. He had two to this point, one after seven and one after four. He's a much better pass defender than Leroy Hill. Brett Favre seemed to sense that and twice looked Herring's way before targeting another receiver. He's Slim Jim lean, and looks more safety than linebacker, but you can't discount the potential. He needs another ten+ pounds of bulk, and that's going to bite a little into his speed and agility, but understand he ran a 4.57/40 and 6.56/3 Cone (.31 seconds faster than Marcus Trufant and likely fastest on the roster), so the potential to fill out and retain what makes him is there. Because a little lost frenzy might do Herring some good.
Little Play Kevin Hobbs: Little like holding coverage, as opposed to big like Jordan Babineaux's accidental serendipity. With Babs nursing an ailing brain, Hobbs got the nod at dime and, hallelujah! Hobbs alternated with Herring to improve Seattle's mediocre defense against slot receivers. Before Darryl Tapp and Brandon Mebane one-twoed Favre into the turf, Hobbs closed on his Favre's outlet receiver. A little play that meant a lot.
Misc.
Lawrence Jackson continues to heat up. His motor and improved pass rush helped Seattle's team pass rush.
Forgotten man Lofa Tatupu had a classic Tatupu moment, chucking Tony Richardson with a double forearm shiver before closing on Thomas Jones after three.
...and Brian Russell had a classic Russell moment on Laveranues Cole's 23 yard reception. I've sort of exhausted my disdain for the guy, but it's all there: The pointless and ultimately debilitating run towards the line, the disappearance, the after the fact hit, this time in the form of a hearty man hug on a clearly down Coles - It's an orgy of Brian Russell awesome fit only for the true connoisseur.
A final, less schadefreude inspired note, John Marshall has figured out the three man rush. Brandon Mebane, Rocky Bernard and Lawrence Jackson comprised Seattle's three man front on Josh Wilson's first pick. Nose tackle Bernard got the late pressure to force the wobbly, cross-bodied throw.
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nice breakdown so far
I was at the game and haven’t watched my DVR’d version yet, but to the naked eye it looked like LoJack might actually be able to play a little…
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by phil26687 on Dec 22, 2008 3:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I did not know that Herring was that fast.
Those are amazing time for a linebacker. I wonder if he would be a good fit for the Colts. Anyways, with our top 3 LB being so damn good its good to see what our backups can do.
Here’s a question. What’s the point of getting Mo Morris yards? The more yards he gets, the more he’ll cost (not that I think we’ll sign him anyways). Wouldn’t it be better to get JJ some more reps, or see what Forsett/Duckett/Weaver can do out of the tail back position instead of the PR, short yardage back, TE/FB hybrid position?
by LantermanC on Dec 22, 2008 3:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It sure would be better to get JJ some carries
So what the hell is going on? I haven’t heard anything much from Holmgren and nothing from JJ. If we’re not going to re-sign Mo, the longer we play him and make him look good the more Ruskell’s going to look goofy if he signs somewhere else and does well.
JJ looked like a total keeper early in the year. WTF?
by djafrot on Dec 22, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, what's the deal with JJ?
It’s not like he absolutely sucked when he played this year.
I saw him what, twice yesterday? Both times in blocking situations.
Could it be some kind of deep-seated personality conflict with someone on the coaching staff? Is Holmgren just too sold out on Morris because MoMo is a “Holmgren guy”?
by HawksFanHernandez on Dec 22, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys like Jones and Duckett...
…are on a one-year deferred scholarship, in my opinion. When Holmgren said that he didn’t know how Duckett would be used, that told me that Ruskell was building for the future past Holmgren as much as the present. I wouldn’t be surprised if Holmgren, being the kind of guy that he is, used Morris more not only because he’s more familiar with the offense, but because he knew Morris wouldn’t be back and he wanted his guy to get a better showing to the league.
Part of the problem this year, if you ask me. The FO is running two rosters for two eras.
by Doug Farrar on Dec 22, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand Holmgren being a nice guy and giving
‘his guy’ Mo Morris carries, thus giving him a better chance to collect a nice FA check. But I thought we were going to see something more along the lines of 50 % JJ, 40% MM, 10% Duckett/Weaver. So far it’s been 90% one back, and that seems to me like we’re not playing to our strenght, which would be to have backs that have different skills, and won’t get tired.
by LantermanC on Dec 22, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it may be less about Holmgren being a "nice guy"
and closer to a “as long as I’m still the coach I’ll play who I want to—gosh darnit” to Ruskell.
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by dcrockett17 on Dec 22, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was he not on board with the JJ signing?
You’d think he would be since JJ seems like a good all around back for the WCO. Also, he tore us up when he was on Dallas, usually coaches remember things like that and overvalue a player’s ability because of it.
by LantermanC on Dec 22, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've seen
Morris did more with his plays than Jones did with his. So Morris got more playing time.
by VBJohnson on Dec 22, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that.
It’s been a wash.
by redwolf75 on Dec 23, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mo's played really well lately
Outside of the Pats game he’s been really productive since week 12. I agree with John, Holmgren’s a one back guy and Morris is the hot runner right now.
by Nate Dogg on Dec 23, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see an ulterior motive
Holmgren sticks with one back. He almost always has since joining Seattle. Jones had his chances. He started against Dallas and was terrible. Morris has started since and outplayed Jones. I think that’s at least 90% of the story. Jones hasn’t helped himself by being mouthy and airing his grievances publicly, but had he torched Dallas, I think he would have gotten the start against New England.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
This all started way before the Dallas game. JJ was playing quite well earlier in the season… I was at the SF game and he was absolutely running people over in a way Mo never would. Yeah, yeah, I know, SF was in nickel, but that doesn’t account for how JJ was making great yards after contact.
After that we had a couple of games where the OL was doing jack squat, it wouldn’t have mattered who was back there. Then you suddenly saw Mo in there more and more… by the time we got to Dallas it was a pretty much foregone conclusion that Mo was Holmgren’s choice to play. The only reason JJ got the start was because it was the Cowboys.
by djafrot on Dec 23, 2008 2:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're allowed to do that.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 2:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do what? disagree?
Heh, maybe I’ll just be like Jim Carrey in that new movie.
by djafrot on Dec 23, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've heard. No disagreement.
I can’t even disagree with myself.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Disagreement is allowed as long as is isn’t an ongoing devastating argument against John Morgan’s strongly held opinion or against those who are defending him. Meanwhile, all sorts of impolite behavior and long winded arguing is allowed by those who are defending John Morgan’s opinion.
by VBJohnson on Dec 23, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone here brave enough to disagree with him?
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 23, 2008 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I try not to disagree with people who know more than I do.
by BrianL on Dec 23, 2008 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone and everyone can disagree with me and I'm sure much of the readership knows just as much about football as I do.
Very Big Johnson is right though, “ongoing devastating argument” is banned in all its forms.
by John Morgan on Dec 24, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about all sorts of impolite behavior and long winded arguing?
Is that still alright?
by Nate Dogg on Dec 24, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See?
This sort of ridicule would never be allowed against John Morgan or anyone on his side of the argument. I’ve heard it called “mean” and seen people threatened with banishment repeatedly for it, but only when arguing against him. When arguing for him, it’s like it’s not even noticed. -Thanks for the great example! :-)
by VBJohnson on Dec 24, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, that kind of sucks.
I’m not sure why JJ would put up with that, other than it at least lets him stay healthy as he rests while Mo gets bashed around by a backup-laden offensive line.
by djafrot on Dec 23, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With Denver's situation...
I wish we could give them Mo Morris for our 4th rounder back. Stupid Keary Colbert…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3787991
by LantermanC on Dec 22, 2008 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While Herring may have been pretty good when dropped back into coverage...
I recall an instance where a blown coverage down the left flat led to a wide open catch-and-run for a first down, which I believe was Herring’s responsibility.
Also, this has nothing to do with anything, but what’s Koren Robinson’s future like here? After being out of football for months, he’s quickly come here and outdone anything Deion Branch has ever done with us yet. While I agree that Branch is a great receiver, he is rarely healthy and I simply can’t see the justification for such an exorbitant contract.
Meanwhile, Robinson is reminds me of Roy Williams; makes all the tough, highlight-worthy catches, but has hands of stone when it comes to the gimmes. Difference being that we’re giving K-Rob a minimum contract under strict guidelines while Williams cost a huge amount of money and multiple draft picks (including a first) for Dallas. But Ruskell will probably run him out of town the day after the draft if he selects a WR, in any round.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 22, 2008 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely right about that play
I try not to be too picky when a guy is first starting. He had a handful of plays where he looked really erratic and in that one he suddenly dropped 15 yards vacating his assignment completely. More big picture though, even on that play his backpedal looked really quick and smooth, like he could turn his hips and run with the guy if he had to.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 1:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
I’m not always in Tim’s corner, but I’ll say this… he will do everything in his power to NOT draft a WR in the top 10. That said, I think Koren gets an invite back… for his blocking and maturity; funny eh!
I am torn on this draft. If Bradford comes out, do we give Stafford a chance… let him sit two years under Beck? (everyone now free to throw shiat at me!) It can be done… look at McNair, Rodgers (whom I f’ing love!); and Stafford will need the time.
Koren has a home here, even if we do draft a WR. His blocking, his effort, has been worthy. His hands suck, but so do Lous Murphy… a solid 2nd round guy (ugh).
Fact is, the best WR in the draft is Harvin… and he is basically Branch.
Great post. Enjoy the holidays.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Dec 22, 2008 9:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Harvin is too injury prone to warrant a high pick.
by redwolf75 on Dec 23, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence, "basically Branch"
I’m always wary of Florida receivers. If memory serves me correctly, Peter Warrick was from there and I had him pegged as the best WR prospect in the last decade. It’s just something about about that school that churns out an impressive amount of busts, perhaps this time being due to undisciplined college defenses vacating their assigned coverages once they see Tim Tebow on the move, allowing Harvin to roam free with his dangerous speed.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 23, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know,
can you ever classify positions by school, or conference. Like RBs and defense from the SEC is usually a safer bet? Or LB from the Big Ten tend to work out more?
by LantermanC on Dec 23, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be irresponsible to on solely that,
But I have a hunch that you’d find some interesting trends if one was to actually do that.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 23, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I knew I was going to confuse those two for the millionth time.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 23, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear
I wasn’t calling you out, and agree that it would be irresponsible to solely base something on that, but i’d definitely be interested to see the trends as well.
I recall… a few years ago (or was it last year, time flies by) when OSU (the other one, not Oregon State) played Florida, OSU was supposed to win, but Florida blew them out, and then the next year everyone kept talking about the ‘speed’ of the SEC and how the Big Ten was just too slow compared to all the other major conferences. I don’t buy that theory at all, probably just something the media cooked up, but interesting nonetheless.
by LantermanC on Dec 23, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you could to a certain extent.
Maybe not with conferences, but maybe with specific schools. Programs that run certain offenses might consistently recruit similar players with similar skill sets that fit into their system.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 23, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Warrick was out of Florida State
And I agree with Lanterman, how previous recievers coming out of Florida have fared has no impact on what kind of NFL player Percy Harvin will be. It’s just a matter of whether a team scouted well or not.
by Nate Dogg on Dec 23, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly. Branch wasn't that injury prone
in college.
by redwolf75 on Dec 23, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of Branch being "injury prone" is blowing out his ACL in the division round
The level he’s playing at less than a season removed from surgery is a major testament to his ability to heal.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He had a reputation for always being nicked up with the Pats
by Nate Dogg on Dec 23, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and it was an ill-gotten reputation
he was no more hurt than any other WR, from what I can tell.
by djafrot on Dec 23, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Some Pats fans I know warned me of his injuries that kept him out of practices and had them holding their breath until they saw him suited up on gameday. Of course, I was ecstatic about the move at the time and still think he’s perfect for this offense.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 23, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
that’s a rep pretty much every big WR gets…. because his team wants him on the field.
WR’s get dinged a lot, that’s just the way it goes. Only a few seem to make it through an entire 16 game season regularly.
For the Seahawks, well… that’s another story altogether. I don’t know what we do with our receivers, it must be something akin to “hobbling”.
by djafrot on Dec 23, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Notable Florida receivers from the top of my head....
Darrell freaking Jackson
Jabar Gaffney
Taylor Jacobs
Reche Caldwell
and of course Chad Jackson
There may be more but I’m not looking it up. From the sample size of “guys I can remember”, Florida receivers are busts. Djack did have some sweet years though.*
*All tongue in cheek of course, but it has not actually been pretty.
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by abender20 on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought Russell displayed some actual grittyness on that Coles play
After Coles caught that ball I was hoping that someone would at least make sure to touch him down in case the refs didn’t call him down and he scrambled for the end zone. Of course it was Russell 5 minutes late in coverage, and of course he was a little overzealous in his bear hug, but I was glad someone did it.
by Nate Dogg on Dec 22, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would give him more credit if he didn't needlessly charge the line leaving Wilson on an island...
and if the play wasn’t clearly over when he grabbed Coles. Coles isn’t a world class burner, but with a five yard head start, he can run away from Russell. I think if Russell had a bad reputation, he’d be a penalty machine. He has 14 tackle assists on the season. 14 times all season that his piling on has been considered a legal tackle. That means the vast majority of the hits he delivers are considered late—after the play is over.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 1:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just to pile on the Russell grumblefest...
…was I the only person that laughed and thought “oh, this will be defensive holding” when Russell ran up into obvious man coverage on a Jets’ WR (Cotchery?) in the slot on the play that led to a PI call? It was the most obvious go-to situation ever… I didn’t see whether Favre looked over and had that gleam of “yay, free play” in his mind or not.
by djafrot on Dec 23, 2008 2:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So I don't work this morning because of the Arctic Blast
but I’m up and caffeinated. Kinda sucks. Guess I’ll start on the tape early.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 2:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Same here, John.
In Vancouver, WA it’s still feet-deep. The more ‘Hawks news the better. I’m already so excited for the draft.
Also, this evaluation of our depth is fun and interesting. What about ‘The Heater’? Will he (or did he) play? He sure was fun to watch in the pre-season and got a lot of fanfare from the blog realm. What are your thought on him, John?
by Misfit74 on Dec 23, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then I fell asleep and the day ran away from me.
Hawthorne has some things going for him: angles, tackling, weaving through blockers, grit. The test is how he reacts to pulling blockers, misdirection and if he can offer anything in coverage or as a blitzer.
by John Morgan on Dec 23, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Selfish much JM?
Here I am at work watching ‘Chuck’ on hulu, waiting for the next FieldGulls post, and you’re at home sleeping. Come on.
by LantermanC on Dec 23, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty stellar job you have
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by abender20 on Dec 23, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I hope they don't track the bandwith...
Then again, 90% of the people are working from home, which I’d do if I could figure out how to get the wireless and the VPN to work…
by LantermanC on Dec 23, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell your office IT guys to switch over to OpenVPN.
Much more friendly than other options like Shiva.
by BrianL on Dec 23, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever you just said
just went over my head, you might as well have thrown a rock at my head.
by LantermanC on Dec 23, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then Shaun Ellis would get fined 10 more K
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by abender20 on Dec 23, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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