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The Top Ten Seahawks Stories That Weren't: #5: Cut Copy

Seahawks fans went cut crazy this preseason. Some of it was the restlessness and vociferousness common the NFL fan. Some it was fed by a steady stream of insinuation. My tenuous relationship with Seahawks Insider went thermonuclear after this post entitled Forsett vs. Duckett:

2) Regarding T.J. Duckett, Hugh Millen was very critical, saying that he is a one-trick pony whose one trick is not that effective. Holmgren did not really defend Duckett, instead acknowledging that "the pile is pretty big" in front of him, meaning the other running backs. He said the Duckett decision also will come down to the end.

Everything about the post was slanted. The title, Forsett vs. Duckett presents a false dilemma. Seattle did not need to keep Justin Forsett OR TJ Duckett, it could keep both and has. Forsett and Duckett have been jointly active for ten weeks now. The timing is critical and chosen to play on reader's emotions. Hughes posted this the Wednesday after Forsett rushed for 136 against the Bears. The fanbase was abuzz with love for their burgeoning young back. That same game, Duckett nearly fumbled twice and averaged 2.25 yards per carry. Duckett carried 12 times, one that went for a touchdown, two that went for first downs, and three used to center the ball before a 36 yard field goal by Brandon Coutu.

Hughes employs a dysphemistic take on Hugh Millen's quote and Mike Holmgren's response. It reads like Millen blasted Duckett and Holmgren responded with passive assent, even implying Duckett is facing long odds to make the roster. Thank God for archived radio. Here's what Millen said and how Holmgren responded:

Hugh Millen: "TJ Duckett, just for some reason, I haven't seen it yet. Um, kind of, one, one, uh-I don't' know-[Mitch: "trick pony"], one-trick pony, and uhhh I'm not sure that trick is all that great from what I've seen. So, wh-what am I, what am I missing there and how does that play out there with the running back position as you see it as you have to assemble this roster?

Mike Holmgren: "Well it's, it's gonna be a tight call going down to the wire. T.J. comes in; clearly he has the ability to move the pile. And in short yardage situations, goal line situations, there's real value there.

I think he's a better than average pass blocker. So that - there's value there.

The problem is how to use him and when to use him and things like that. You have - and it's not his problem, it's the fact is we have, the pile is pretty big. Y'know, you got Morris, you have Jones and you have Weaver, but, y'know, TJ's a great guy. He's working hard and, uh, we'll just see how it plays out at the end. It's tha - the, the - a couple positions are going to be a real tough call at the end."

Duckett made the team. He's still averaging less than three yards per carry and he's still doing everything asked of him. In 56 attempts, he has 23 first downs and seven touchdowns. Holmgren has used him in the most conservative way possible. That's just the way it is until next season.

The story that wasn't, that wasn't again and again, that wasn't with Baraka Atkins on the bubble, that wasn't with Josh Wilson losing his spot to Kevin Hobbs, that wasn't with Steve Vallos pushing Chris Spencer, that wasn't with Logan Payne pushing anybody, is the story of created controversy through selective quoting and spun facts.

Y'all ready for the offseason? It starts in less than a week. Wager on what will be this year's Bobby Engram holdout, who will be this year's Logan Payne and what entirely undeserving player will be on the bubble before he ever takes a snap.

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Does anyone know what Mora's relationship was with Duckett in ATL?

Off-the-field, that is. Most of the rumors I heard were that he had no control over those guys, kinda like Petrino last year. Mostly the players just followed Vicks and Warrick Dunn’s lead. Of course, these are just random rumors I heard.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 26, 2008 2:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Warrick Dunn is a really great guy

so if they were following his lead they were doing alright.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 27, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Duckett's a good guy, from what I've heard.

Very charity-oriented, not a selfish player. Never heard or read a bad word against him. He just didn’t fit what Holmgren wanted, and that was pretty clear.

Mora wasn’t the problem in ATL, though he was a player’s coach, which I do not prefer. I wrote the Atlanta chapter for PFP 2008, and I can tell you that nothing. NOTHING. was like Petrino. Nothing could have prepared them for that. The enabler dynamic between Vick and Arthur Blank was the real issue until that whole thing blew up.

by Doug Farrar on Dec 26, 2008 5:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Have to agree with John...

That it is asinine to pigeonhole Duckett as a short-yardage back, because he can rush well for an extended amount of carries, and can block and receive well. Hopefully we’ll have a 60-40 split between him and Julius next season, since Knapp likes power running.

by Fearless Frog on Dec 26, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Have to agree with Frog's agreement with John

I probably have an inflated opinion of Duckett, ‘cause I saw him play a lot in Atlanta … but I’ve always liked the guy. I was pretty stoked when we signed him, although I suspected Holmgren would never use him enough.

If we do switch to a more power running team, I’d be happy with Duckett getting a lot of carries. And if we go RBBC next year, I like the stable of backs we have. Making a bit of a reach here, but it’s almost a poor man’s NY Giants …: Duckett = Jacobs, Jones = Ward, and possibly Forsett as the change-of-pace ala Bradshaw. Throw in Weaver as a multi-talented 3 down FB, and we have the makings of a good attack. Of course it all hinges on finding an OC who actually knows how to work a RB rotation and split the carries – something Holmgren was never comfortable doing.

by jteckmann on Dec 30, 2008 2:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's just me

but I saw little out of Duckett that Leonard Weaver isn’t capable of. Or any capable fullback, for that matter. Now, if Mo is gone by training camp, then perhaps I can better see his value. But on those 3rd and short situations, I’d just as soon see Schmitt leading the way for Weaver.

by Dukeshire on Dec 28, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Weaver struggled to convert first downs in 2007.

If I remember correctly, he was less successful than Shaun Alexander. Weaver is not an inside bruiser.

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like I'm mistaken

By my quick count, Weaver was 10 for 13 in converting three or fewer yards in 2007.

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

Duckett was totally money on 3rd downs. Our blocking was better this year IMO, but still this guy was moving piles like crazy.

Weaver, for all his size and speed, seems to take a while to get up to that speed.

by djafrot on Dec 29, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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