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Game Thread: Seahawks @ Cardinals

Seattle Seahawks at Arizona Cardinals, Dec 28, 2008 1:15 PM PST


Three weeks ago we were talking draft scenarios. With Seattle stonewalled out of the top three and Detroit a mortal lock to draft Sam Bradford, Seattle's incentive to lose out in order to draft the number one overall ranked quarterback has disappeared. In fact, Seattle is finally competing for something. No other team capable of crashing the top ten is in the market for a starting quarterback. Another win saves Seattle some scratch and makes its pick more attractive to trade down. Following this angle further, Seattle fans should root for Tampa and Minnesota to miss the playoffs and Tarvaris Jackson to implode in the process. Either team could be willing to trade with Seattle for a shot at Matthew Stafford.

Beyond the tangible benefits of winning, Seattle has a chance to shame the team that wrestled away the NFC West and so doing send Mike Holmgren out a winner. Despite being blown out in three of its last four games, the Cardinals are heavy favorites. That doesn't account for Arizona's awful play as late. Its offense froze in the New England snow. Minnesota and Philadelphia won by 21 and 28 points respectively. Three blowouts have pushed Arizona to a negative point differential. Arizona still leads in weighted DVOA, but the gap is narrower.

It also doesn't account for how well Seattle has played starting Seneca Wallace. Seattle has a -85 point differential in games started by Matt Hasselbeck or Charlie Frye, but is even in the seven games started by Wallace. Hasselbeck started against opponents combining for a -138 point differential. Kansas City has a -139 point differential. Wallace started against seven opponents with a 25 point differential. Miami has a 21 point differential. Green Bay has a 29 point differential. Hasselbeck started against Arizona in Qwest, and despite playing very poorly, the Seahawks were within a touchdown, with the ball, with 2:05 left in the 4th and a 15% chance to win.

Seneca Wallace starting over Matt Hasselbeck might make the difference. In Hasselbeck, Holmgren made a good quarterback great. Hasselbeck is the greatest thing Holmgren ever contributed to Seattle and one of Holmgren's all-time great achievements. In Wallace, Holmgren made a non-quarterback into a helluva backup. In an otherwise lost season, seeing the quarterback he stuck with, when everyone else saw a wide receiver, lead Seattle to a win over the NFC West champs would make a satisfying consolation. Make it happen.

Sea!

Hawks!

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A few additions to John's thoughts...

One month ago, after Week 12, the Cardinals ranked sixth in Total DVOA, third on Offensive DVOA, and 11th in Defensive DVOA. They’ve dropped four of their last five, and they’re trying to avoid the ignominy of ending their season as one of two possible 8-8 division leaders (If the Chargers beat Denver on Sunday night, they’ll be the other.) How has this team fallen so far, so fast?

First, the demolition of Arizona’s running game has taken an already unbalanced game plan and sent it over the edge. The Cardinals ranked fifth in DVOA on the ground through Week 9, and fell to 25th in the second half of the season even before the Patriots game. Tim Hightower, the rookie surprise on everyone’s minds early on, has averaged 22 yards per game in the second half of the season (2.2 yards per carry). Edgerrin James, whose job Hightower took earlier this year, ran four times for 19 yards against the Pats, which pretty much makes him this offense’s most dangerous power player. The Cards rank 29th in goal-to-go DVOA through Week 15, and 25th in rushing DVOA in the red zone. Any team with so many vertical threats will occasionally break big play by default, but the consistency isn’t there at all.

If the Seahawks are to pull this season-ending win off, here’s what needs to improve. In their 26-20 Week 11 loss to Arizona, they put up a 9.6% Defensive DVOA against the pass, which is actually the best they’d done through Week 15. In that game, Warner threw for 395 yards but only one touchdown, and Anquan Boldin (who looks to play in the finale) torched Seattle wwith 13 receptions for 186 yards on 13 catches. Not to be outdone, Larry Fitzgerald caught 10 for 151. It was after this game that things started going bad for the Cards, and the Seahawks do have a bit of defensive momentum going into this game.

Mike Holmgren isn’t the only Seahawk about to depart. As the Mora era falls into place, it’s quite possible that Maurice Morris could be running right out of Seattle after this game. He’s in the final year of his current contract, there are two under-used backs signed by the current administration, and the divide between Holmgren Guys and Ruskell Guys seems longer and colder than ever. Morris had his best career game against the Jets last week, rushing 29 times for 116 yards behind an offensive line two levels below “patchwork”. Morris will start against the Cardinals, and it’s quite possible that he’ll be able to out-do the 19 yards on 10 carries put up by Julius Jones last time against Arizona. Morris has been better than Jones this year in DYAR, DVOA, and Success Rate.

And that, for now, is where we shall leave that.

How will the game go?

Who has more motivation to win this game? The Cardinals are trying to prove that they’re not exactly who we think they are — a misplaced Arena League team, and the most obvious one-and-out in the playoffs. The Seahawks are playing for pride, for jobs, and to send the best coach in history out a winner. Right now, Seattle is playing like the far better team, with far less talent, and it’s going to be near impossible for Arizona to overcome its recent faceplants. Those Seahawks fans who have watched a dismal, underachieving, unlucky squad through most of this season, now have a very good chance to see another surprisingly competitive game, and the most surprising aspect of all is that the numbers point to the Seahawks.

Holmgren goes out a winner, folks. I’m not predicting it any other way.

by Doug Farrar on Dec 28, 2008 11:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Still Drunk

Need Tacos

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 11:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

very long

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yay!

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I got this for christmas as a gag gift.

Going to put it to use today.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why is Adrian Peterson a MVP candidate?

Dude has 9 fumbles

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Go Giants Go

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No

He’s a third string running back without a history of success. His trade value is very small. I think Oakland, like most NFL teams, have a poor understanding of the abilities of their own players.

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and there on the Carolina 39

he’ll need another possession to break it. But he could Tie

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BREES!!!!!

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

NO

just scored to tie at 31 all (3 4th quarter TDs). NO may actually get the ball back.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 12:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

or go into OT

Brees needs 16 yards

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How terrible is Delhomme?

Just for throwing the ball up in the air like that. Bah.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 12:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That run probably does it for Carolina

Casey doesn’t miss too many of these.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 1:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he might have a chance if they fair catch the kickoff

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

this is where Casey kicked it out of bounds in the Super Bowl to set up Tom Brady for superstardom ;)

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I said..

Vinitiari is going to kick the game winner from about 35…

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Vikings win

but Jackson looks bad. One more chance to look terrible on a national stage.

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 1:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

OUT OF BOUNDS!!!!!

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 1:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

HE WAS RIGHT THERE!!

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did the WR not try?

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So Dallas and Philly is a win and you're in...

I’m supposed to go back to church for a memorial service.

Would I be a jerk for not going?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 1:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Having only caught most games on radio

I’d like to get some thoughts on Weaver’s progress as a run blocker? I don’t hear anything about him anymore. I take that as good news.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 1:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Duckett!

Random shout of joy!

by BrianL on Dec 28, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And with that touchback we'd just like to remind you

that the Seahawks have two kickers on the roster.

by BrianL on Dec 28, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh you

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Babs was right on that one.

by BrianL on Dec 28, 2008 1:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not a surprise with Holmgren.

One thing about him I won’t miss is the third down FB draw.

by redwolf75 on Dec 28, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

trufant should know better

than to turn around that late in the play.. watch your man!

by paul2 on Dec 28, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else have a sinking feeling when Mare missed the FG?

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 2:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 2:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. 2009 can't come fast enough.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hurry the fuck up guys jesus tits.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

HOLY CRAP!!

What a catch!!

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 2:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

BRANCH!!!!!!

What a healthy Branch can do.

by Dukeshire on Dec 28, 2008 2:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

NIIIIIIIIIIIIICE.

Jesus, thats tits.

by paul2 on Dec 28, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We really need an edit button.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Go Miami!!!

The Patriots missing the playoffs at 11-5 would be hilarious.

by MFAN on Dec 28, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes being stubborn pays

I’ve stuck by Branch since Seattle traded for him. It’s amazing what he’s capable of so soon after surgery.

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just saw the score.

Dallas is missing the playoffs, yes?

And next year they don’t even have 1st or 3rd round picks.

by redwolf75 on Dec 28, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

This game certainly isn’t boring. I’m pleased with the performance of most of the team so far.

by jimmimoose on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I just love seeing the Cowgirls fail once again. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving team.

by Mr Fish on Dec 28, 2008 2:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Tony Romo

is the Jessica Simpson of quarerbacks

by Dukeshire on Dec 28, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Frick

Well I’m giving up hope of seeing this live, but if anyone can hook me up with a torrent or link to a torrent it would be much appreciated.

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 3:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Edgerrin James is so bad.

Fucking stop him.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Engage eight, LBs spread wide, show blitz.

Works every time. Try it Mike. :P

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

FUCK!!!

HOW DO THEY KEEP GETTING THESE LONG FUCKING PASS PLAYS

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

john, you don't live in the Seattle area?

I have the Seattle game on the Seattle Fox feed we get up here in VC.

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Scroll up.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I scrolled up before

but was just scanning and missed the Portland comment.

Damn, reading John’s views on the Seahawks games is why I come here :)

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GO FOR IT!

This game doesn’t matter.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What happened?

You ran a fucking sweep with TJ Duckett. What the fuck did you think was going to happen?

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Annnnd no longer watching.

I can’t witness us go into the offseason like this.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

These guys were ready to be taken

but we’ve given them the confidence they needed going into the playoffs

that sucks

by Mr Fish on Dec 28, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There are two key moments where we lost this game.

Missing the FG, and not going for it on 4th and 2 on the last drive.

FOURTH AND TWO MIKE! IT’S YOUR LAST FUCKING GAME! TAKE THE GIRL PANTS OFF

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That was a good play

too bad he couldn’t hold on.

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can you score a touchdown on a penalty? (*)

I mean so far all our yards in this drive have come from penalties.

(*) – Yes I know you can’t.

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

good idea

I think they should allow touchdowns by penalty :)

by paul2 on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So can we burn this stadium down once we leave it?

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seneca didn't sell that well enough .

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He needs to at least drop back like he's going to pass.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I thought he threw it away there for a second.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Did you see how open he was on the replay?

AZ are terrible.

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And they're going to the playoffs.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Purely because someone from the NFC Worst has to go.

Kind of the equivalent of going to the Prom with your ‘best looking’ cousin.

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Prom is the stupidest idea ever concocted.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't know

where I grew up they don’t have Proms.

Just trying to make a funny metaphor hehe

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I went alone, but it's really like any other high school dance, just not at the school.

It’s really stupid and a waste of three hours. I’ve been out of high school about three years now, and I can still say that prom is a waste of time and I regret going.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, at first I thought it was a busted play

the way the stadium was so quiet and the way the Cards were just standing around

by Mr Fish on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ya branch was teh sly

and cool as the other side of the pillow.

by paul2 on Dec 28, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Ben Concust?

Wow that changes my AFC prediction.

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

One good thing about this season sucking

hopefully I get my season tickets next year instead of waiting two more years!

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Matt Leinart sucks!

Come on guys!

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else see

the TERRIBLE MISSED TACKLE by Brian Russell?

by redwolf75 on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is why I'm glad I'm playing Madden during Arizona drives.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just got back in...

the Dallas score. Whoa.

God I love it when they lose.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seneca runs himself into pressure all the time.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Williams is out

per Raible and Moon

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 4:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Goddard probably got next to no snaps in practice

Practice squad player put into an impossible situation.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All right, back to Madden.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cue the pushing and shoving

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 4:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Only if I have enough to black out for a few days.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember my experience with absinthe.

But it didn’t make me forget anything before imbibing. Maybe a time machine and some absinthe.

by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a plan to me.

Getting a hold of absinthe won’t be easy though. Oh, and the time machine too. But yeah.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just slingshot yourself around the sun.

Worked for those fellas who needed to kidnap a gray whale.

by BrianL on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are just full of ideas.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe a full freezer bag full of fentonal or something.

Then again, I’d die.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with the man on TV

Falcons coming to AZ is an auto win for the Falcons.

I think I might even put money on that.

by GarethLewin on Dec 28, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Announcers are paid to not know what the fuck they're talking about.

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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And a pick.

Is this game over yet?

by BrianL on Dec 28, 2008 4:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

4-12

Oh well….just 8 more months until next season!

by MFAN on Dec 28, 2008 4:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The end of an era

tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms further… And one fine morning -

by tohereknowswhen on Dec 28, 2008 4:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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