Game Thread: Seahawks @ Cardinals
Seattle Seahawks at Arizona Cardinals, Dec 28, 2008 1:15 PM PST
Three weeks ago we were talking draft scenarios. With Seattle stonewalled out of the top three and Detroit a mortal lock to draft Sam Bradford, Seattle's incentive to lose out in order to draft the number one overall ranked quarterback has disappeared. In fact, Seattle is finally competing for something. No other team capable of crashing the top ten is in the market for a starting quarterback. Another win saves Seattle some scratch and makes its pick more attractive to trade down. Following this angle further, Seattle fans should root for Tampa and Minnesota to miss the playoffs and Tarvaris Jackson to implode in the process. Either team could be willing to trade with Seattle for a shot at Matthew Stafford.
Beyond the tangible benefits of winning, Seattle has a chance to shame the team that wrestled away the NFC West and so doing send Mike Holmgren out a winner. Despite being blown out in three of its last four games, the Cardinals are heavy favorites. That doesn't account for Arizona's awful play as late. Its offense froze in the New England snow. Minnesota and Philadelphia won by 21 and 28 points respectively. Three blowouts have pushed Arizona to a negative point differential. Arizona still leads in weighted DVOA, but the gap is narrower.
It also doesn't account for how well Seattle has played starting Seneca Wallace. Seattle has a -85 point differential in games started by Matt Hasselbeck or Charlie Frye, but is even in the seven games started by Wallace. Hasselbeck started against opponents combining for a -138 point differential. Kansas City has a -139 point differential. Wallace started against seven opponents with a 25 point differential. Miami has a 21 point differential. Green Bay has a 29 point differential. Hasselbeck started against Arizona in Qwest, and despite playing very poorly, the Seahawks were within a touchdown, with the ball, with 2:05 left in the 4th and a 15% chance to win.
Seneca Wallace starting over Matt Hasselbeck might make the difference. In Hasselbeck, Holmgren made a good quarterback great. Hasselbeck is the greatest thing Holmgren ever contributed to Seattle and one of Holmgren's all-time great achievements. In Wallace, Holmgren made a non-quarterback into a helluva backup. In an otherwise lost season, seeing the quarterback he stuck with, when everyone else saw a wide receiver, lead Seattle to a win over the NFC West champs would make a satisfying consolation. Make it happen.
Sea!
Hawks!
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A few additions to John's thoughts...
One month ago, after Week 12, the Cardinals ranked sixth in Total DVOA, third on Offensive DVOA, and 11th in Defensive DVOA. They’ve dropped four of their last five, and they’re trying to avoid the ignominy of ending their season as one of two possible 8-8 division leaders (If the Chargers beat Denver on Sunday night, they’ll be the other.) How has this team fallen so far, so fast?
First, the demolition of Arizona’s running game has taken an already unbalanced game plan and sent it over the edge. The Cardinals ranked fifth in DVOA on the ground through Week 9, and fell to 25th in the second half of the season even before the Patriots game. Tim Hightower, the rookie surprise on everyone’s minds early on, has averaged 22 yards per game in the second half of the season (2.2 yards per carry). Edgerrin James, whose job Hightower took earlier this year, ran four times for 19 yards against the Pats, which pretty much makes him this offense’s most dangerous power player. The Cards rank 29th in goal-to-go DVOA through Week 15, and 25th in rushing DVOA in the red zone. Any team with so many vertical threats will occasionally break big play by default, but the consistency isn’t there at all.
If the Seahawks are to pull this season-ending win off, here’s what needs to improve. In their 26-20 Week 11 loss to Arizona, they put up a 9.6% Defensive DVOA against the pass, which is actually the best they’d done through Week 15. In that game, Warner threw for 395 yards but only one touchdown, and Anquan Boldin (who looks to play in the finale) torched Seattle wwith 13 receptions for 186 yards on 13 catches. Not to be outdone, Larry Fitzgerald caught 10 for 151. It was after this game that things started going bad for the Cards, and the Seahawks do have a bit of defensive momentum going into this game.
Mike Holmgren isn’t the only Seahawk about to depart. As the Mora era falls into place, it’s quite possible that Maurice Morris could be running right out of Seattle after this game. He’s in the final year of his current contract, there are two under-used backs signed by the current administration, and the divide between Holmgren Guys and Ruskell Guys seems longer and colder than ever. Morris had his best career game against the Jets last week, rushing 29 times for 116 yards behind an offensive line two levels below “patchwork”. Morris will start against the Cardinals, and it’s quite possible that he’ll be able to out-do the 19 yards on 10 carries put up by Julius Jones last time against Arizona. Morris has been better than Jones this year in DYAR, DVOA, and Success Rate.
And that, for now, is where we shall leave that.
How will the game go?
Who has more motivation to win this game? The Cardinals are trying to prove that they’re not exactly who we think they are — a misplaced Arena League team, and the most obvious one-and-out in the playoffs. The Seahawks are playing for pride, for jobs, and to send the best coach in history out a winner. Right now, Seattle is playing like the far better team, with far less talent, and it’s going to be near impossible for Arizona to overcome its recent faceplants. Those Seahawks fans who have watched a dismal, underachieving, unlucky squad through most of this season, now have a very good chance to see another surprisingly competitive game, and the most surprising aspect of all is that the numbers point to the Seahawks.
Holmgren goes out a winner, folks. I’m not predicting it any other way.
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You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
very long
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I finally have cable and a shiny new HDTV.
This is going to be fun.
yay!
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I got this for christmas as a gag gift.
Going to put it to use today.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
Why is Adrian Peterson a MVP candidate?
Dude has 9 fumbles
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
Go Giants Go
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
:( Forgot about the tie...thx
On another note: do you want us to win or have the better draft position, honestly?
Win.
Without a shot at the top quarterback, I’d rather Seattle be a better team with a more affordable/tradable pick.
by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
John Fox should of been fired because of that
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
No
He’s a third string running back without a history of success. His trade value is very small. I think Oakland, like most NFL teams, have a poor understanding of the abilities of their own players.
by John Morgan on Dec 28, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
and there on the Carolina 39
he’ll need another possession to break it. But he could Tie
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
BREES!!!!!
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
NO
just scored to tie at 31 all (3 4th quarter TDs). NO may actually get the ball back.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
or go into OT
Brees needs 16 yards
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
How terrible is Delhomme?
Just for throwing the ball up in the air like that. Bah.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
That run probably does it for Carolina
Casey doesn’t miss too many of these.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
he might have a chance if they fair catch the kickoff
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 28, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Of course
this is where Casey kicked it out of bounds in the Super Bowl to set up Tom Brady for superstardom ;)
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Dec 28, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I said..
Vinitiari is going to kick the game winner from about 35…
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OUT OF BOUNDS!!!!!
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
HE WAS RIGHT THERE!!
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
Did the WR not try?
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
So Dallas and Philly is a win and you're in...
I’m supposed to go back to church for a memorial service.
Would I be a jerk for not going?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Having only caught most games on radio
I’d like to get some thoughts on Weaver’s progress as a run blocker? I don’t hear anything about him anymore. I take that as good news.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Brian Billick is exhausting to listen to
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
And with that touchback we'd just like to remind you
that the Seahawks have two kickers on the roster.
oh you
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Did anyone else have a sinking feeling when Mare missed the FG?
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I'm glad I stopped angrily playing Madden because of that second TD for Arizona to watch that.
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Unless Larry Fitzgerald becomes a Seahawkovernight, someone please kill him. Thanks.
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We really need an edit button.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Save a few pass plays the Cardinals look awful on offense
Also, Branch is a freak of nature.
Sometimes being stubborn pays
I’ve stuck by Branch since Seattle traded for him. It’s amazing what he’s capable of so soon after surgery.
Just saw the score.
Dallas is missing the playoffs, yes?
And next year they don’t even have 1st or 3rd round picks.
Well
This game certainly isn’t boring. I’m pleased with the performance of most of the team so far.
Frick
Well I’m giving up hope of seeing this live, but if anyone can hook me up with a torrent or link to a torrent it would be much appreciated.
Edgerrin James is so bad.
Fucking stop him.
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Engage eight, LBs spread wide, show blitz.
Works every time. Try it Mike. :P
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FUCK!!!
HOW DO THEY KEEP GETTING THESE LONG FUCKING PASS PLAYS
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Why don't we start chopping at Fitz's knees? Or put some double fucking coverage on him for chrissakes.
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I wouldn't mind seeing him in the fucking hospital.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nothing is going to make me happier than Jim Mora bringing in his own staff.
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I'm trying to say I don't approve of shitty coaches who refuse to adapt.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Could've just been luck.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
john, you don't live in the Seattle area?
I have the Seattle game on the Seattle Fox feed we get up here in VC.
Scroll up.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I scrolled up before
but was just scanning and missed the Portland comment.
Damn, reading John’s views on the Seahawks games is why I come here :)
What happened?
You ran a fucking sweep with TJ Duckett. What the fuck did you think was going to happen?
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It's calls and series like that that make me realize that for all he's done for the organization, I won't miss Mike Holmgren at all.
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Even if we lose, we won't be losing in such predictable ways.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, I was just saying
I hope we don’t have 3 years of 2-14 and feel very bad about Holmgren leaving.
Holmgren staying would likely mean we'd have to endure more years of Haskell, Marshall, and DeHaven.
I’m not cool with that.
Or they could just put Grant on Fitz's side.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think the bigger problem than that is that Holmgren and his coaches don't think Brian Russell is a bad safety.
And also they don’t think adjustments are allowed.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Shut up adjustments aren't allowed in football
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Annnnd no longer watching.
I can’t witness us go into the offseason like this.
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Are the commentators basically saing that Breston was unwanted?
I would love the whole country to be told that if I was unwanted.
These guys were ready to be taken
but we’ve given them the confidence they needed going into the playoffs
that sucks
There are two key moments where we lost this game.
Missing the FG, and not going for it on 4th and 2 on the last drive.
FOURTH AND TWO MIKE! IT’S YOUR LAST FUCKING GAME! TAKE THE GIRL PANTS OFF
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Can you score a touchdown on a penalty? (*)
I mean so far all our yards in this drive have come from penalties.
(*) – Yes I know you can’t.
Wait wait
as it stands right now, the Fins are going to the playoffs and the ’Boys are out.
Unbelievable.
And the Lions are 0-16
…wait was that unexpected?
by aerozeppelin on Dec 28, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
So can we burn this stadium down once we leave it?
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He needs to at least drop back like he's going to pass.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
announcer
“No pass has ever been completed in the NFL with the receiver out of bounds”.
Umm… do you actually watch NFL football?!!
Wow, I thought he threw it away there for a second.
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And they're going to the playoffs.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Purely because someone from the NFC Worst has to go.
Kind of the equivalent of going to the Prom with your ‘best looking’ cousin.
Prom is the stupidest idea ever concocted.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I went alone, but it's really like any other high school dance, just not at the school.
It’s really stupid and a waste of three hours. I’ve been out of high school about three years now, and I can still say that prom is a waste of time and I regret going.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, at first I thought it was a busted play
the way the stadium was so quiet and the way the Cards were just standing around
One good thing about this season sucking
hopefully I get my season tickets next year instead of waiting two more years!
This is why I'm glad I'm playing Madden during Arizona drives.
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Just got back in...
the Dallas score. Whoa.
God I love it when they lose.
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Who the fuck is taking over?
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck dude. Might as well put in Charlie Frye to block at this point.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Seneca runs himself into pressure all the time.
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Kyle Williams is out
per Raible and Moon
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Goddard probably got next to no snaps in practice
Practice squad player put into an impossible situation.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Cue the pushing and shoving
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Does anyone know of any hardcore drugs I can take to forget this abomination of a day?
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Only if I have enough to black out for a few days.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I don't remember my experience with absinthe.
But it didn’t make me forget anything before imbibing. Maybe a time machine and some absinthe.
Sounds like a plan to me.
Getting a hold of absinthe won’t be easy though. Oh, and the time machine too. But yeah.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Just slingshot yourself around the sun.
Worked for those fellas who needed to kidnap a gray whale.
You guys are just full of ideas.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe a full freezer bag full of fentonal or something.
Then again, I’d die.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree with the man on TV
Falcons coming to AZ is an auto win for the Falcons.
I think I might even put money on that.
Announcers are paid to not know what the fuck they're talking about.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta feel for MC a bit(*)
He replaces Tom Brady. ‘Leads’ the team to 11-5 and misses the playoffs.
(*)I’m sure he’ll find a few million reasons to make himself happy by next year
Sarcasm?
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Marshall, Haskell, and DeHaven first please.
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by BrettJMiller on Dec 28, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
The end of an era
tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms further… And one fine morning -
by tohereknowswhen on Dec 28, 2008 4:34 PM PST reply actions
Sweet, the Hawks get blasted and my unsaved as of the last three games of franchise gives me an unreadable disc error, this after just spending all day fixing this heap of a computer last night.
Technology and football are against me right now.
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