A Children's Treasury of Players Picked #4 Overall
Since the Seahawks are picking #4 overall in the 2009 draft (barring a trade, of course) I thought it would be interesting to go back and see who has been drafted in that 4th slot since 1992. I know this is a fairly futile exercise, since the picks say more about the teams and their respective scouting/needs than they say about the quality of player they could have taken. That said, it was fun to go down draft memory lane. Oh, and the ‘Hawks have only made the 4th selection one time - Kenny Easley in 1981.
1992 - Desmond Howard, WR (Redskins)
1993 - Marvin Jones, LB (Jets)
1994 - Willie McGinist, OLB (Patriots)
1995 - Michael Westbrook, WR (Redskins)
1996 - Jonathan Ogden, G (Ravens)
1997 - Peter Boulware, OLB (Ravens)
1998 - Charles Woodson, DB (Raiders)
1999 - Edgerrin James, RB (Colts)
2000 - Peter Warrick, WR (Bengals)
2001 - Justin Smith, DE (Bengals)
2002 - Mike Williams, T (Bills)
2003 - Dewayne Robertson, DT (Jets)
2004 - Philip Rivers, QB (Giants, traded to Chargers in case you forgot)
2005 - Cedric Benson, RB (Bears)
2006 - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T (Jets)
2007 - Gaines Adams, DE (Buccaneers)
2008 - Darren McFadden, RB (Raiders)
2009 - ????????????????, ?? (Seahawks)
A few thoughts: the Ravens and Bengals having back-to-back 4th picks scares me a little. Hope we follow the Colts/Giants model instead.
I was surprised that I've already forgotten 5 or 6 of these guys. As in, I don't even remember the draft hype surrounding them, much less their pro careers.
Who do you want it to be on '09? Who do you think it will be? I admit, I'm still hoping for Michael Crabtree if he declares...
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I would like:
A trade down to mid first round for an additional late 2nd rounder. Tackle in the first, WR and safety in the second.
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I would like:
to have sex with Jessica Alba. But it’s not gonna happen. Trades in the top 5 are very rare, and that’s a lot to get for the pick. Maybe a mid first and a 3rd or 4th, maybe.
Didn't you hear? Jeter gave her herpes.
Even then, it still might be worth it.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 30, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know...
I still feel that we really need/want a QB, OT, S, and the front of this draft is loaded with it. Stafford, Bradford, Oher, Smith, Monroe, Mays. Add Crabtree to that mix and that gives us 7 players that probably fit our needs/wants really well.
Though if we had a 15thish pick, I wouldn’t really complain about a William Moore (S), Eben Britton (OT), Ciron Black (OT), Jason Smith (OT), or even a Rey Maluaga (I know, we dont really need a LB, but it’d be awesome to have him with Tatupu and Peterson). Especially if we got a mid to late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder.
And yes, I realize it’s a bit early to start mocking past the first 6 players.
There are some fairly strong players that stand out in that list
I also would like someone as good as Kenny Easley. Please and Thank you.
I can guarantee one thing. I will be watching Georgia’s Bowl game at 10 AM on New Year’s Day very intently.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Dec 30, 2008 9:08 PM PST reply actions
4th Overall seems pretty successful based off the list
Only a few busts really. Robertson and Smith are pretty much the only ones this decade that haven’t developed into something ‘ok’. Not everyone there is dominate, but I can’t lie, I’m a fan of the Draft separate of my fanhood for the Hawks, and this opportunity for them to pick this high is pretty exciting.
I want either Monroe, Smith, Mays or Crabtree, probably in that order.
I just feel OT is clearly our biggest need and concern for the future, above even Quarterback. I will be surprised if we draft a QB honestly, to me it just doesn’t make sense for us to do. I have a hard time believing Seattle will pick in the top 5 too many more times with the rest of this core group of players, I could be wrong, but we have the talent to compete now.
With Jones’ injury, age, and decline you have to acknowledge the fact that our line is a drastic NEED in my opinion. A blue chip tackle can play now and for years, plus improves our depth, which has clearly been a problem for us recently.
S would be nice, but I just don’t see it unless we trade down, which I just don’t see happening unless we get a good enough offer, which to me has to be a 2 late round 1sts. Or a 1st and 2nd from a team in love with a QB or Crabtree.
Let's go.
Quarterback does make sense when you consider that 'Beck is 33, has an injury history
and is a free agent in 2011.
You also have to be concerned about his latest injury, that bulging disc that was compressing a nerve bundle and affecting his ability to generate power from his drive leg. If this becomes a recurring issue with Matt, it very likely will hamper his ability to perform on the field.
Just from a sheer talent standpoint taking a quarterback early is sound roster construction. Someone brought this up in another thread, but it worth repeating:
The real story of finding a great NFL quarterback is written: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer…and not Drew Stanton, Jeff Rowe, Jordan Palmer, Charlie Whitehurst, Ingle Martin, Stefan LeFors, Adrian McPherson. Seattle has an excellent shot at the best overall quarterback in the coming NFL draft. It should not have such an opportunity again for at least a decade. A good team with a backbone of talent has the opportunity to draft a great quarterback to build its future around. I’ve yet to read a compelling argument why it shouldn’t. This is no slight of Matt Hasselbeck, who, beyond being 33, expensive, fit only for a short passing system, and perhaps chornically injured, is a free agent in 2011. It’s an acceptance of a need and an awareness of a great and truly rare opportunity.
John wrote that up a few weeks ago.
Thank you BrianL
This is like talking politics. There are two opinions, and people rarely change their mind. I exchanged about 50 text messages with my own brother on this topic just last night.
I just don’t understand how people are so convinced that we are going to be okay with Hass for the next 4-5 years. It is very much agaisnt the odds. Bulging discs frequently become chronic problems for the average person, let alone a guy that gets whacked by 255 lb. men running 15 mph.
I guess the question really is this: would you rather have an all-pro LT & servicable QB, or a servicable LT and an all-pro QB. I know where I stand on that. I think the ’Hawks can find a servicable OT with the 4th pick in the second round.
and thats roughly 776 Newton seconds of momentum for Beck's bulging disk to handle.
Poor Hass :(
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The OL position is generally a smoother transition from college to NFL
Besides, we don’t need an all-pro QB to win ball games. Running game + defense wins championships. Drafting a LT will solidify the O-line which will open up the running game.
Defense is another story, however.
by aerozeppelin on Dec 31, 2008 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
The thing that I don't understand about these discussions
is that you could make the same argument against drafting a Tackle. I’ve heard so many people say “why draft a qb when you’ve got an all-pro qb already?” Are the ’Hawks not in the same exact secario with Big Walt?
Big Walt's career may be over due to knee surgery (there are some posts about that around here).
Ruskell wouldn’t be drafting his backup, but rather his replacement.
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And Matt has spent about half the past two seasons on the bench with injuries
How many football players can you name that have returned to their level of play after a back injury?
so we have to make a decision with matt
this is a big year as far as what our plans are.
if the hunch you have is correct, and we go ahead and draft a QB, what is our point in keeping Hasselbeck? just to heal and sit? or to play? if we think he can play, we don’t go QB this year because we have other weaknesses that can be improved for our team to be successful sooner rather than later. drafting a QB and dealing with the QB controversy seems like a potential multi year ordeal.
we drat a tackle, get a QB later on to develop, or draft down to get both this year. otherwise to me it doesnt make sense, because our line is a weakness and is not in the type of position to support a rookie QB, or for that matter, an ailing regressing Hasselbeck.
Let's go.
My thing about the QB/T debate is this..
and it’s obvious to me..
from the looks of it, most people feel that not taking advantage and drafting a QB is detrimental to our team because Hasselbeck is far from a lock to play next year, or for that matter the next couple, or at least in a positive way.
So if that is in fact the case, and we draft a QB, a series of events will then have to follow
we
A. have hass on the team still, or we cut him. either way it’s money. risk of keeping is injury and regression, financial if we keep 2 qbs at high salry. risk of cutting is financial and risk of inexperience.
B. are still relying on Walter Jones to be effective next year, for either Hasselbeck, a rookie, or more likely a decent veteran. to me the line has been our biggest weakness.
C. we are paying a top 4 QB to likely sit, and even if he starts, are taking a risk.
and finally
D. which to me is what we forget, that we still have a core group of players on this team th at are getting paid money to win. Trufant, Peterson, Tatupu, Jones, Hasselbeck, J.Jones, Branch.. are all not playing for cheap, and most are either in their prime, passed it, or getting close.
to me we have clearly shown interest in developing our line with picks like simms, spencer, wrotto and willis.
none of them have developed at the rate we want, and therefore our line has suffered.
throw in the fact we have a 33 yr old guard in Wahle
to me we have no guaranteed playmakers on our line in terms of a linchpin tackle or guard that can give much help, to me, if we miss out on a top talent on the Oline, we are risking the development of our QB of the future, and also to me admitting that we are no longer trying to win this year or next, but that we are ok with paying huge salaries to players on a team that would then be rebuilding.
Let's go.
Follow the Money
The Seahawks 2009 NFL Draft
Fact: The #4 pick will demand about $10M/yr over 5-6 years. The #10 pick will demand about half that, and the #20 pick about half of that, or $3M/yr.
Fact: Seattle is a small market team with the 24th ranked team salary at about $99M. That means only 8 teams have a slightly smaller team salary, and league leading Dallas spends over 50% more on player salaries with a total of over $150M.
Fact: The highest paid players on the roster are Marcus Trufant, Matt Hasselbeck and Patrick Kerney at $8.1M, $6.7M and $6.6M, respectively. They are followed by Wahle, Jones, Locklear and Peterson all in the $5M+ range.
Team Need: Everyone seems to agree that Seattle needs a long-term replacement for Walter Jones and a premier wide receiver. I agree completely, however, we can’t afford to spend $10M/yr on a rookie, and we have other needs such as Safety and Corner where we got ate up. We may be stuck with our running back situation due to multi-year contracts. And then there is QB.
Fact: Hasselbeck is 33 with 2 years left on his contract and has been injury prone lately. Wallace is a solid backup and also has 2 years left. Frye is a free agent now and is third string for a reason. Could there be a better time to draft the future franchise QB? If not now, when? The only issue is who, and at what price. (For my money, I’d rather take a chance with a second or third round pick of Mark Sanchez at a much smaller salary commitment and give him 2 years under Hasselbeck than spend big money on the higher rated QB’s, but I would pull the trigger on someone in the 2nd or 3rd round)
Opinion: Most mocks have the Lions and Rams taking an OT at 1 and 2, although some suggest Stafford to the Lions at 1. If the Lions don’t take him, some mocks have KC taking him at 3. This draft is said to be pretty deep with talented OT’s, but that is also the position of most need throughout the league. No less than 9 teams need a starter out of the draft or through free agency. For that reason, five, six or even seven OT’s could go in the 1st round, meaning a high second round pick may only net the 6th, 7th or even 8th OT. As a result, I expect a run on OT’s again. Since OT is the number one need for all three teams picking ahead of us, and since the Rams and Chiefs can’t be guaranteed of another shot at a great prospect in the second round, I expect them to take the 3 premier OT’s, Smith, Monroe and Oher. Consensus is that there is a drop off in potential after those 3. If they do as I suggest, I think there is a chance of trading down as someone may want to move up to nab Stafford. I’m thinking specifically of the Niners at 10. QB is really their most pressing need. They won’t need to trade up for Bradford, in fact he’d be a reach at 10, but they may covet Staffords cannon arm. Trading down to 10 should net their 2nd pick at 53 as a minimum (maybe more). We should be able to net a stud CB like Vontae Davis or FS like Taylor Mays at 10, then either grab the best wide receiver on the board at 37, Jeremy Maclin (my favorite if he’s still around), Juaquin Iglesias or Percy Harvin, OR dive into the OL pool for a tackle or guard. At 53 we could go QB, WR, OT, DT or OLB, depending on what we did at 37 and the best available player.
Conclusion: Since we don’t even know for certain which underclassman will declare for the draft, and since intangibles measured during interviews or at the combine play a big part, trying to pick specific players is futile. The sound strategy however, would seem to me to be obvious. Try to trade down again, and garner extra picks in the 2nd through 4th rounds. Despite the conventional wisdom, use the first pick to shore up the secondary, get 2 or 3 solid players for the price of 1, and maybe even have money for a free-agent prospect. I would add that I’m not convinced yet that Wallace can’t be as good (or better) as Hasselbeck (the old Hasselbeck) given more experience, but with only 2 years left on each of their contracts, we have to have a plan for the future.
I would also let Leroy Hill go to free agency and play Heller or Lewis (if retained) or a rookie in order to make salary room. We can’t afford to spend 15% of the entire payroll on 3 linebackers.
If we are stuck with #4 and can’t trade down, we’d have to go with the best player at their position, a dominant physical freak of nature. The only guys being talked about like that are USC FS Taylor Mays and Wake Forest OLB Aaron Curry. With all due respect, I don’t see a Jake Long among the OT’s, or a Julius Peppers among the DE’s. If we have to make a rookie the top paid player on the team, he better be special. Despite what the boards say, I’d take Taylor Mays. He can be an immediate starter, and seriously upgrade both pass and run defense and he hits like a freight train. Adding Aaron Curry to two probowl linebackers would be great, but not so great when opponents effectively pass over them. I don’t see Michael Crabtree being the dominant receiver in the mold of TO, Chad Johnson or Fitzerald, in spite of his great success at TX Tech. I’ve seen a few underclassman during the bowl games who do fit that mold (Dez Bryant-OK St) and who will be coming out next year.

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