Game Thread: Patriots @ Seahawks
by John Morgan on Dec 7, 2008 10:45 AM PST
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Drafting a quarterback is scary. The chance for bust; the chance of being burdened with a must-start failure; the chance of crippling Seattle with a huge contract and no chance of contention for seasons to come - It's intimidating. It's downright terrifying. But it must be done. Seven of the top ten quarterbacks in DYAR were drafted in the first round. Fourteen of the thirty two starting quarterbacks, from phenoms like Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco to competent retreads like Kerry Collins and Chad Pennington, were selected in the first round.
Still, the temptation to cheat, to find a lower risk talent through free agency ,or stashed on some stacked team's roster, remains strong. Thus, Matt Cassel.
In 2007, Tom Brady averaged a 56.9% DVOA. DVOA measures team performance more accurately than individual performance. Better said, the 2007 New England Patriots passing offense averaged 56.9% DVOA with Brady under center. That's system, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, etc. and Tom Brady.
In 2008, in the same system, with Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, etc. Matt Cassel has averaged a -4.6% DVOA. That's a 60% swing. That's the difference between Matt Ryan and JaMarcus Russell, except cleaner and more damning. Ryan joined an offense loaded with talent awaiting competent coaching and quarterbacking. Russell toils on the most tumultuous and worst run franchise in the NFL.
Brady himself likely wouldn't have continued his torrid run. Peyton Manning posted a 62.8% DVOA in 2004, but a measly 41.7% DVOA in 2005. Quarterback DVOA spikes and sinks - just not like that. That's not natural regression. That's a whole other animal.
Cassel turns 27 May 17. He didn't start at USC buried behind Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. Cassel was in real danger of being cut before the 2008 season. He inflates sacks. He's shaky in the pocket. His production is hugely dependent on his surrounding talent's yards after catch. Welker's yards after catch is up over a yard from last season. Moss's yards after catch is up nearly two.
We've been here before. Derek Anderson was the vogue free agent to be after a remarkable spike in play. A season later he was benched. Cassel joined an offense that humbles him with its talent. That he's its face does not mean he's its cause or even instrumental to its success. Cassel might be a serviceable quarterback. He might be a total bust. He has almost no chance of being a great quarterback. And no team should build its future around him.
Seattle needs a quarterback of the future. And that quarterback should be, better be, a riveting, terrifying, make or break first round pick*.
* Or Brian Brohm.
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Well Put
The recent talk about signing Matt Cassel next year makes me CRINGE. His game is entirely based on his supporting cast- Check Moss, Check Welker, if both covered throw ball in general direction of Moss. Touchdown.
And damnit the giants really piss me off…
Oof, further evidence you don't trade your draft for one player
Jared Allen carted off with a knee injury. Looks like a torn ligament.
As bad as the Seahawks are, thank GOD we're not the Bengals or Lions.
Every day I hear about Seattle sports' failures. Every night I fall asleep to the sound of my own tears.
Hawks game...
Stoogetv seems to be down. I found channelsurfing.net, but it hasn’t been too reliable. Does anyone have another way to watch our game online?
Found a forum
There is not a link there yet, but near game time there should be. Might be sopcast, so I don’t know if I’ll get it to work either.
I looked at the games going on right now.
A lot of TVants links, but they have a complete list of links…including some media player type links.
iTrick is JustinTV, some of the other professional sounding names I think are some of the other streamers.
Justin.TV
http://www.justin.tv/addacategory
after I realized that both myp2p and channelsurfing both go through justin.tv I just decided to go straight to the source
If we goto the Air Croyell
GIVE ME MATT CASSELL!!
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Oh and I still want Kenny Phillips
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Result of three trick WR runs by Giants/Eagles.
CAR YDS LG
M. Manningham 1 -12 -12
D. Jackson 2 -9 -2
I'm actually kind of excited to see Lock at LT and Wrotto starting
Inactives
K Brandon Coutu
S C.J. Wallace
LB Leroy Hill
T Na’Shan Goddard
T Walter Jones
DT Red Bryant
DE Brandon Miller
QB Matt Hasselbeck
Does Coutu even show up for the games?
It should be interesting
Lock can tell us a bit about whether we need a LT of the future of if we have one. I always figured Locklear would be at his worse facing a 3-4 end.
I'm watching Elf
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Zooey Deschanel
is really overrated. Bug-eyed bitch scares me.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 7, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
No way no way, the bug eyes are what makes her so attractive.
I just watched The Happening the other day, and watched Tin Man part 1 last night.
Lanterman,
stop looking directly into her eyes. She’s using them to telekinetically trick you into thinking she’s hot and force you to watch bad movies like Elf and Yes Man.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 7, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
The Happening was pretty bad too.
She was good in Weeds season 2 though, and that show is good as well.
Also my Peguin and Snowman outside got blown across the street.
But I’m to lazy to go fetch them.
And yes this is a bunch of unesscessary information
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No
Trying to get all my online Christmas shopping done in one day. Next week should be interesting.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Its funny and kind of sad
but both my wifes and I companies have just been thriving.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
That's good
We’re stable too, but everyone I know is spooked. I’m still buying everyone something. I mean, we’re strapped, what with my wife in school and not working, but I can buy something.
Specialty Beers and wine make good gifts cheaper gifts
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Our Boss pulled us into a meeting last week because we had to let someone go last week
And it had everyone spooked but he reassured that no one has to worry it wasn’t because of the economy.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Even though spending kind of helps the economy
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
"kind of"?
I thought the US economy only EXISTS because of spending.
I feel bad for my opponent in the FG Fantasy Football league
Peyton Manning against the Bengals is just unfair.
its not me is it?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Potentially
But Westbrook did well, and Im sure Kevin Faulk will have a career day
Bringin' the outside heat.
Have fun watching the game all
I just moved so I’m still without cable.
Any word if ‘Beck and Jones are out today? I haven’t had a chance to find the inactives yet.
Excellent.
But holy shit the line is going to be bad.
GO AARON RODGERS GO
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At least we got some pressure on him.
Man do I love midgets.
Matt Cassell Has pocket Presence
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Cassel is going to shread us like Creed
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Thoughts..
Chilling through a fantasy bye week… i didn’t draft any hawks this year and that is among the reasons why I had an amazing fantasy season. Brian Brohm for a 3rd rounder sounds good to me. Maybe Holmgren is still well connected enough with GB to help us work that before he leaves. I catch a lot of Matt Ryan because I live in Atlanta- that kid is the truth.
I hope Bradford comes out. He can thow.
I <3 Matt Ryan
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Link to watch game?
I still don’t have one. Does anyone have an online link they are using?
WTF? Things must really be bad...
Up here in Canuck-land, CBS is showing Miami/Buffalo.
Fuck me.
Double WTF.
Also no FOX game.
Sure… THIS is the Sunday I have off…
which is retarded
Victoria and Seattle have vastly more in common than Victoria and Toronto.
This blows.
Every year I get there's a new player on the Seahawks that I really like.
Last year Kerney, this year Carlson.
Thank god, Weaver's getting a lot of work.
I hate when we start out awesome, and then just suck at the 30 yard line and get a FG, hopefully this isn’t one of those drives.
Oh for God's sake
Seahawks finally pull their head out of their ass… and I can’t watch it.
Sure
Talent. Seattle needs this team to be better than it is. Playing well is a good indication it really can bounce back next season.
Also
very high picks are just expensive without real proof that they are worthwhile.
Picking 6th vs 5th is probably worth it.
There are ofcourse exceptions to that rule
Most of them are number 1 picks, and there doesn’t seem to be a Peyton Manning in the draft this year.
Well... we can still play well, and lose to a bette team...
I suppose Ideally the young guys who can contribute next year will play well, and guys who won’t be here next year like Russell or Wallace won’t do well and we lose by a few points.
His a physical Tom Brady Clone
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently Wes Walker apparently has all his body parts
Brains, Heart. Good to know he isn’t a zombie.
Youi tried tvants?
http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=25548&part=sports
(Disclaimer, people here have complained about myp2p.eu, I have never had problems with them, but people here seem to not like them)
Gotta DL the program.
Then do something else. Having trouble downloading today, so the link above really helps. But later I’ll figure out TVants.
Of course his longest of the year is against us
Although I shouldn’t be complaining since we’re actually winning.
Oh nm, wrong game
(I had flipped over to dallas during commercials).
But I swear the voice over guy said that az beating the rams is a surprise.
Wallace is a SPEED DEMON
he just turned on the jets and took off. This is the most fun I’ve had watching a Seahawks game all year.
For those who are not watching the game...
This was posted above.
NFL’s been cracking down so it might get shut down…but watch it while it’s on.
Jesus Atkins just lowered a boom
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wow...... really?
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
worst call I've ever seen.
ref’s standing right there, Moss is clearly pushing off
When is the NFL ever going to get their ass in gear and FIX THIS FUCKING REFFING PROBLEM?
Agreed.
College football has yearly debates over how bad BCS system is. But the BCS is great because it gives people (even college football newbs) something to always talk about.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 7, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really know why
But I do actually want Matt Cassel
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Just throws Lazers
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Announcers really like Josh Wilson
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I am beyond pissed off
this kind of shit makes me want to turn off the TV and say “screw you” NFL.
Thank God this game doesn’t mean anything.
RG
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I just realized we have a completely different line than we started
the season with.
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BOOOOOOOOOO
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Duckett out Wide
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Reminds me
That 3rd and short play last week where we motioned Weaver and then threw to him quickly, that was sweet
Haha
John Ryan looks like Christian
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it's raining down there?
I’m not that far away, and it’s sunny.
Why Does Brian Russell need to run up to the line?
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Well when you get ruffed up by Jennings I can see why
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Wilson's a keeper
I think he’s going to be a fan favourite for a while…
i want us to win.
I hate the pats. I hate successful teams. Its very unhealthy for obvious reasons.
yeah, how do you write "bitch" by accident?
it’s not like my ex-gf is around.
because
I wrote ‘no gain bitches’ a minute ago and i never curse on blogs so it was on my mind
for the billionth time...
Will SOMEONE please teach our blitzers that when they have a free ride to the QB they have to control themselves and GET the guy?
WE NEED a GIF of that miss by bruss
BrianL!
by redwolf75 on Dec 7, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You'll have to wait until I get the torrent.
Jot down the time of the play and I’ll try to get it made this week.
NFLtorrents
But they’re anal about seeding. Unless you’ve got a ton of upload bandwidth it’s not worth it.
John, you keep talking about the draft,
would drafting someone to replace bruss and cutting bruss not be a big improvement?
Tebow isn't good
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
The blitzing scares me...
Considering how adept the pats are at the screen pass
Orton has been alright
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
um... run a play?
typical Holmy clock management…
Russell Blitz
Anyone else notice CBS gave russel props for rushing the QB when in fact he whiffed like a blind madman even tho he had an open shot? Lol…
BALANCE!!!
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Jennings is having a nice game
Seems to have recovered. I wonder if the rib(s) were really bothering him.
The NFL is really cracking down on JTV now
by tohereknowswhen on Dec 7, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
Just started looking again. Works perfectly.
Same guy providing the stream, but on a different channel.
Unfortunately he said he would put the Celtics on soon…Let’s hope not.
by tohereknowswhen on Dec 7, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Aha! that is why we are doing crap this half
The cheerleaders aren’t being very professional!
(This is a joke)
holy horseshoes...
we throw that, guaranteed that ball gets picked…
It's a Boston guy who runs the link.
Of course it’s full of their fans.
'bout time for one of those
Josh Wilson long returns to flip field position to us.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
whew
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
prime time prime time prime time prime time
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
all credibility was lost on that PI call in the first
as far as I’m concerned.
dude of course he's our most tallented reciever*
*when healthy
Weaver is a beast..
I think he might be good enough to be a full time RB… Put him on the Eagles and he puts up 75% of Westbrook numbers?
John, you haven't talked about Branch at all...
One play a season does not make, but he sure looked healthy there…
I was super high on Branch in 2007
But he’s recovering. I was willing to wait and see on this season.
Forgot we might have one good receiver!
heres to a healthy branch in 2009
Yes, another awesome play.
I remember he had a great game against the Rams as well. He’s shown some nice flashes, just hasn’t stayed healthy.
His size still scares me when they try to throw longer passes to him.
weeeeeeee
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Carlson threw a huge block on that Branch Catch
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All those people on justintv are pissed lol
This is my favorite quote so far
“oh hi I’m the ref at the game. I don’t like the Pats so I’m going to give the Hawks as many calls as I can”
He's definitely a product of his recievers
I feel dirty for even entertaining the idea of dumping Hasselbeck for him
Do you think John Marshall watches film?
Because to make the same call consistently, and consistently get burned by it seems stupid. Both passes, 3rd and long, safety blitz and big reception.
by Badical Turbo Radness on Dec 7, 2008 3:29 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, he has
but Moss only has to make one play and we lose.
Come on O. Let’s get some points
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Who are thse guys?
.. and what have they done with our seahawks?
Haha I thought the same thing
I think the last real blocked kick came against the Redskins, I don’t remember when exactly though.
Another couple gems from Justintv
“lol @ the seahawks thinking they’re good when the refs just don’t call anything against them”
“THE SEAHAWKS HAVE THE WORST PASS DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE THIS IS FIXED”
for a guy who's slow in the 40
carlson sure runs the corner pattern well…
Yes, but it wouldn't have been a first down.
Only reason he didn’t challenge I think.
He stepped out of bounds before the catch
So if Holmgren would’ve challenge and was successful I think it would of been a penalty
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
that was a catch
how the ref that was further away could OVERRULE the closer ref makes no sense.
The ONLY way the college game is better is in replay
the onus is on getting the play right rather than protecting against coaches strategizing. There, Holmy can’t challenge because he cannot risk losing that time out.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I haven't been watching until this point.
How’s Senaca been? His passer rating looks pretty damn good.
Mariners ----> Brewers.
by .Taylor on Dec 7, 2008 3:42 PM PST reply actions
He's been pretty sensaysh'
not like himself at all
atkins has looked good at times
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Atkins having a day
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John - stories of the season that shouldn't of been
- - Atkins should’ve been cut instead of Babin
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thats should be number 11
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Gosh, take the penalty
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
And Welker was wide open..Can we account for him please?
I fucking hate you Mariners
BAHAHA...3rd down, so what.
I fucking hate you Mariners
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Haha, NFL crackdown.
You don't want to watch this secondary lose the game for us though.
I fucking hate you Mariners
not the secondary's fault
when you blitz and get no pressur
vrebel?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I hate our 3rd down defense play-calling. That is all.
I fucking hate you Mariners
We might want to cover Welker at SOME POINT this game.
I fucking hate you Mariners
wow, welker on the out pattern
big fuckin surprise… do we have any coaching?
Weird
Ive gotten used to the hawks throwin a pick on the 1st play of that drive this year
Bringin' the outside heat.
you get a fumble this time
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Vallos sucks
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This team has lost almost every game
by getting its ass handed to it in the coaching department. It’s pissing me off. Fuck this.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
couldn't call a TO
not sure what you could do except have a better offensive line. that isn’t coaching.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Not specifically referring to the last play.
More referring to the achingly predictable last Patriots TD drive with multiple idiotic blitzes.
But yes, seeing two to three plays a game where our QB can’t get two steps into his drop before he has to fall down and take a sack is a painfully obvious reminder that our offensive play calling isn’t “unpredictable”.
Fuckin' Richie Sexson man!
wow
why did I stop watching Elf?
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have it on DVD
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Cassel 09!
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I think they'll mail the rest in
this was a heartbreaker. They’re gon’ fishin’ today.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
both teams pretty beat up
this game was about executing and making plays at the right time. Seattle played with better efficiency, but NE ran a LOT more plays.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
.....................................
We Should get paid to watch this shit
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Tell me about it...
my favorite teams are the Seahawks, Mets, Knicks, and the Missouri Tigers. The 2009 seasons can’t get here fast enough.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I don't know, we're two and a lot, I'm just happy to have watched a good game today.
The bar has been lowered.
Good game, very entertaining
I was on the edge of my seat for 3 hours. I think Seattle has more than people give them credit for.
Blogger at SBNation's New England Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit
I'm a big fan of spencer
but i think we need to make a serious investment in a backup either through FA or the draft. Vallos was really depressing today.
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