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Quick Cap: Patriots 24 - Seahawks 21

Losing sucks.

Steve Vallos sucks.

Neither will carry over to next season.

Seattle played fantastic. As LantermanC said, playing strong but losing is an ideal outcome. Seattle needs a young quarterback. Desperately. And getting the one they want is critical to the Seahawks future.

Game Ball:

Deion Branch: Crazy agility, fantastic body control and the heart of a goddamn warrior. A healthy Branch is a world class weapon. A military grade shotgun blasting ass-whipping, cut across the field for fifty more, cyanide tipped, hands like tractor beams, hips like Baryshnikov, game changing wide receiver play.

Seneca Wallace: You're not supposed to outplay Matt Hasselbeck. I hope someone who controls the purse strings is watching, because Wallace is an invaluable asset as a backup quarterback. Seattle needs a successor, sure, but a smart team finds a place for Wallace.

John Carlson: Concerns about his 40 time and pallor persist. Carlson, somehow, persists.

Baraka Atkins: Defensive ends take time to develop. Atkins had first round talent. Scouts, rightfully, questioned his desire. The Man who took the field today buried those questions under two tons of sacks and a hellrocious mean streak.

Brandon Mebane: Two quarterback hits and a sack. Yawn.

Tru: Seattle held Randy Effin' Moss, thenceforth know as Randy Moss, to 56 yards on nine targets. With Tru covering Moss, that's 23 yards on eight targets. Brian Russell and to a lesser extent Deon Grant have submarined Seattle's ability to stop #1 receivers. Seattle has allowed opposing #1 receivers to contribute at a 35.2% clip and have allowed the most yards per game in the NFL, 81.1. Marcus Trufant is paid. His team is awaiting the Phenobarbital. Tru played for pride and played like an All-Pro. Don't questions this man's heart. Don't question this man's skill. And don't question Tru is a cornerstone of the next great Seahawks team.

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I am officially stoked...

not sure we need a lineman in round one… Unger at top of 2 would be nice.

This team has the makings of something beastly in ’09. Why not Weaver as our Jacobs, with Schmitt leading?

yes, Wrotto and Willis are raw, and Womack injury prone… but DAMNNNN they are strong, and play with a mean intention.

I look forward to a more physical approach to football in ’09. I look forward to the West Coast Giants in ’09.

Thanks Seattle for making a great day out of a very hungover Sunday. Oh, and, as much as I hate to say it… thanks Pittsburgh… f’ing unreal.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 4:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wrotto?

Wrotto’s first start not withstanding, the idea of Vallos and Wrotto’s lace curtain resistance is something that should cause you to start working on your next hangover. Awful. Willis? Now there’s the making of something beastly. And yes, feel free to ship TJ ot at the end of the year. Weaver and Schmitt will do nicely, thank you.

by Dukeshire on Dec 7, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Dukeshire...

used to seeing your views on TNT. I don’t believe I mentioned Vallos… and the point of Unger would be the replacement of Vallos… if via the draft :)

However, I did find Wrotto encouraging. Not bombastic, nor dominating, but he is no more and no less Rob Sims. And he seems stronger, if not a bit less intelligent.

I imagine Ruskell will begin to emulate the Giants even more with his hand picked coach in ’09.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

I brought Vallos up, didn’t mean to imply otherwise. I’m envious of teams like the Giants and would live them to be dominant up front , once again.

by Dukeshire on Dec 7, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No,

I want a bulldog that I can name Lofa. I just like that picture.

by Dukeshire on Dec 7, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

be well!

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My one rant...

The last offensive play, was an empty set… why? With 1:59 left, on their 45.. it makes no sense. Couple that with no timeouts, and with almost no chance of audibling out of the formation… ugh. That is on Holmy… luv ya big guy… but man… empty set… yuck.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

that wouldn’t have happened if we were in shotgun.

Remember Matt getting hit by almost the same blitz earlier in the year?

by djafrot on Dec 7, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is it just me,

or are Ruskell’s picks SLOWLY starting to pan out, after a long time of people a-little-too-quickly using the “bust” word?

If Atkins steps up… do we even NEED Kerney?

by djafrot on Dec 7, 2008 5:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Woah buddy.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

Dick Dastardly and Muttley with sick laughter

by Wayward Llama on Dec 7, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

but Atkins is showing that we may not need draft a DE high, or at all, in ’09… that is worth a lot.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

with three young DE's... plus Kerney

WHY would we draft another? That’s ridiculous.

by djafrot on Dec 7, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure the giants are glad

they drafted Kiwanauka (sp?) when they “didn’t need one”… best player available :)

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm somewhat excited about the offensive line talent

I think, all things considered, that Wrotto and Willis played pretty doggone well, and both should be considered as decent contributors in the future.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Dec 7, 2008 5:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

to read some forums we're the Detroit Lions

what a miserable existence it must be to support this team but not see the talent.

by Will Kier on Dec 7, 2008 5:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

we are all fickle at times...

next year they will be waving banners of love… this will not take much to fix.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to resign Willis too

but Jones, Locklear, Willis, AND Oher, seems like a lot of tackles.

by LantermanC on Dec 7, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not if Jones has one more year in him... only

and Oher could slide inside…

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That said

I believe with proper coaching and some experience, we can do with what we have, barring another center. We are free to pick BPA.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 7, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no way in hell

That any team would play Michael Oher at anything other than tackle.

by Right on Dec 8, 2008 2:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jonathan Ogden... the future HOF

started at guard… why is this so hard to swallow?

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 8, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

locklear and willis can both play guard, no?

I thought guard was actually Lock’s natural position? If we draft an OT we could slot him in at RT and move Lock inside… leaving everyone else to fight over LG.

by djafrot on Dec 7, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Locklear played guard at NC State

So yeah, he can play inside no problem.

by Right on Dec 8, 2008 2:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm, Jets have been on a downslide.

An upset in two weeks is not out of the question.

by redwolf75 on Dec 7, 2008 6:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

d-coordinator

on the final game winning drive by the Patriots the Pats faced a 3rd and long and I think we rushed seven??

Maybe I just read too much TMQ but don’t the numbers demonstrate that huge blitzes on 3rd and long frequently fail to work out. We were getting pressure on Cassel, why in the f did we feel the need to send the whole team at him? Did anyone else notice this?

I’m not looking at the play by play when I say this, maybe it was six. But man, the third down conversions on that drive were painful.

by Snuffleupagus on Dec 7, 2008 7:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is something we spend a lot of time on.

Brian Russell’s shortcomings is another

One thing we spend far less time on is Jim Mora, who is not calling the plays. He happens to be THE secondary coach, NOT calling the defensive plays, and not calling the shots personnel-wise or coaching-wise.

He is very close to both problems, meaning if he has half a brain, he sees what we see. Do we know he’s NOT going to fire Marshell and get Russell cut or benched when he assumes command? With those being the two biggest changes needed defensively, and him being oriented so perfectly, maybe we will all get what we want next season?

by cashless on Dec 7, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If either Marshall or Russell is here next season, I blow a coronary.

(or however that cliche goes… I’m too young for heart problems)

by djafrot on Dec 7, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pork Chop as well.

I won’t blow a coronary if they resign him, though. At least he’s been healthy this season.

by redwolf75 on Dec 7, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chop

is a good reserve… I would keep him at right price… keep our ability to pick BPA

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 8, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marshall leaving will be addition by subtraction

I hate to play the anonymous armchair calling out, because I’m sure that Marshall knows more about football than I’ll ever hope to learn … but for whatever reason it’s just not clicking this year.

Sitting in the upper deck, the last 3 home games I’ve been able to see our D weaknesses pre-snap and predict exactly where we’re going to break down on key plays. Today, it was a NE 3rd & 4 all the other CBs up playing press, except Wilson giving Welker a 5 yard cushion … bam – automatic conversion right at the sticks. He must have his reasons for calling it like that, but I sure don’t get them.

I just have a hard time believing that our D as a whole is as bad as it’s played this season. There’s just too much talent there.Call it blind faith, but I believe that HC Mora looking over the shoulder of a young, creative DC (personally, I’m on the Zerrick Rollins bandwagon) will do wonders next year.

by jteckmann on Dec 7, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and before that Asst. DL

I figure most (if not all) the old-guard coaches will leave with Holmgren. Rollins is one of the only young, up & coming assistants we have on staff, and I hope we’re able to keep him. Sorta like how Zorn flew under the radar, but I always thought he’d make a good OC (I never dreamed he’d get an HC gig like he did), I just get a similar vibe off of Rollins.

Hill & Tatupu have developed into top-notch guys under his watch, Peterson’s stayed beastly. And our back-ups, be it Lewis, Bentley, Koots, whomever are always able to step in without hardly any drop off. So I think he’s got a pretty good track record, and should be ready to take the next step.

I’m not too wild about retread coaches. And I think that no matter who’s DC, mora’s going to be looking over their shoulder and calling a lot of the shots. therefore I think the chances of us landing an “established” guy are pretty slim. IMO, teaming Mora up with a young guy looking to make his name is probably the way to go.

by jteckmann on Dec 7, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If there was enough talent...

The team would succeed almost despite whatever scheme was being run. But there certainly is enough talent to do much better than we have done.

by cashless on Dec 7, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO

I think Mike Ditka put it best describing the 67-68 (?, est.) Eagles team he was on – a lot of talented individuals dont make up a talented team, and the results will show. Coaching definately has a lot to do with it, look at the way the Falcons have turned it around this year with some motivation, a new staff, and a new franchise QB (obviously Ryan helps alot). I wouldn’t think that a Falcon/Dolphin like turnaround is out of the question for next year with some better play calling/coaching and some motivation to play hard every game all game.

by vanrijn on Dec 8, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also on the Pats second to last drive that resulted in a field goal

Both of their long passes came on third down conversions of 7+, and both came against 7 man rushes from the Hawks. The first Russell came straight up the middle, and if not for a little chip by one of the O-lineman, he would have had a sack, Russell still recorded a QB hit. The second was an overloaded blitz offensive right that never came close to Cassel.

On both of those series of downs we used smaller blitzes and more men in coverage to get the Pats into 3rd and long situations, but then bring the house and get burned. It’s infuriating to see as a fan.

by Badical Turbo Radness on Dec 7, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and how can a coach not see it?

don’t they look at numbers? How could they not get it? It’s just so damn frustrating.

blitz when it’s unexpected and don’t blitz when it’s expected. When you’re blitzing a ton on every 3rd and long . . . . ok, I need to stop. But I’ll agree with the poster above, Marshall sticking around would be the most disheartening thing heading into next year.

by Snuffleupagus on Dec 8, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't the fact

that Ruskell is giving the HC job to a position coach he brought in as opposed to one of the coordinators that has been here for longer indicate that the coaching is going in a new direction?

If either Haskell or Marshall were sticking around next year, they would be doing so as a head coach likely (or at least one of them).

Both will be gone next year.

by michaelfox99 on Dec 8, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Zerick Rollins could be a very interesting uner-the-radar DC candidate.

- he has two degrees ( shows that he is a worker, studious and willing to put in time)

- not too far removed from his playing days

- was promoted to LBers coach in 2005, the natural progression from LBers coach is DC

- when he became our lbers coach in 2005 it has been our best unit every since with two perrenial probowlers,a near-probowl level player in Hill, and a guy in DD Lewis that has played well everytime he is called upon

- with the performance of our lbers 05-07 it could be argues that the lbers coach deserves a raise

- these young, energetic guys like Mike Tomlin seem to be the way to go these days and I couldn’t think of a defensive coach in the league that would be more in tune and tight with our defensive personnell than Rollins.

- being his first DC job he would go all out, be agressive and want to be an attacking, cocky defense that punches people in the mouth. Lofa, JP and Hill would make damn sure guys are going all out for DC Rollins.

I for one would be all for it. Especially over a retread.

by puerto on Dec 7, 2008 10:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd be for Rollins as well

A couple of things I found funny though. If the natural progression from LB coach is to D Coordinator, then that’s kind of weird that the natural progression for Secondary Coach is to Head Coach (Just kidding, I know he’s the assistant coach as well).
Man I love our LB, but sometimes it seems like they underproduce. I can’t tell if it’s our D-Line or our playcalling though.

by LantermanC on Dec 8, 2008 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly the opposite

"Seattle needs a young quarterback. Desperately. And getting the one they want is critical to the Seahawks future.

Seattle doesn’t need a young quarterback desperately. They need one a few years down the road. This game showed that even if Hass gets hurt the next season or two, Wallace will fill in adequately.

by VBJohnson on Dec 7, 2008 11:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you understand how finding a quarterback works

Needing to find a new franchise quarterback within the next 2 years IS needing a young quarterback desperately. You can’t expect to to have someone come in and perform at a high level right out of the draft.

by Simon Phoenix on Dec 7, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In fact, with a bad O-line and

very few offensive weapons, it would be irresponsible for us to expect a young QB to come in and perform at a high level immediately. Ideally, it would have been nice to draft a project QB in the 2-4th rounds of either of the last two drafts and see how they progressed. Not to mention, a young QB would give us the flexibility to toss Seneca in at WR every now and then for some trick plays. And as for “Wallace will fill in adequately”, this was just one game against a bad defense. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 8, 2008 2:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace has looked good

filling in for a long time now

by VBJohnson on Dec 8, 2008 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, no, he really hasn't.

This was against a Pats defense with almost all its defensive starters out. And earlier this season he didn’t show much at all.

by redwolf75 on Dec 8, 2008 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace has looked good

except for all the games in which he looked mediocre to mind-numbingly awful.

by BrianL on Dec 8, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which isn't to say he's terrible

but that he’s a backup quarterback, nothing more and nothing less. He’s not the young quarterback this franchise can build around moving forward.

by BrianL on Dec 8, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace has

looked more than good enough to be exactly where he is, an adequate backup for an aging Probowl QB. The Seahawks are set at QB for another season or two at least. As for having to use the first round pick on a QB to develop? There are plenty of other ways to find good QBs, like the way they got Hasselbeck for example. Or how about how they got Krieg, or Zorn?

by VBJohnson on Dec 8, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nor can you draft a quarterback with a top 5 pick

and have him sit for more than a year. Too much money for zero production. I feel they’d be better served to take an impact player with their pick in the first round this year. And depending on how many of the top QB’s declare, there may be a good one available in the second round, or in the late first via a trade.

by Right on Dec 8, 2008 2:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

The way to go with the top pick is the way the team has been trying to do it for years…make all units adequate before the draft (and the QBs already are) then go for the biggest impact player available.

by VBJohnson on Dec 8, 2008 8:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...

yes, Atlanta agrees, Baltimore agrees, Pittsburgh agrees, Indy agrees, SD agrees, NYG agree, GB agrees…

No offense, but that thinking is limited… and yes, we can draft a QB in the top 5 and he can sit for two years… see McNair.

If you structure the contract right, it will work.

That said, I would suggest we all begin to get used to the idea of NFL without a salary cap.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Dec 8, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Paul Allen actually liked football,

he could make Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder look downright thrifty in an NFL without a salary cap. I’m almost positive he’s the richest owner in any sport, though I might be wrong.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 8, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard

Paul Allen saved football in this town and money has never been an obstacle with him, from players to stadium to gameday experience. Just because he doesn’t make it all about himself like Cuban or Snyder or Jones doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about football.

by Nate Dogg on Dec 8, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong, I love Paul Allen.

He saved the Hawks from going to LA. But he’s publicly stated he prefers basketball (Blazers) to football. Thats not to say he’s not trying to build a winner with the Hawks. Its more just to say that if he were as crazy as Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, he could get every top free agent in the league because he’s so rich.

I also realize that doesn’t make a great football team. I was just stating that he’s got the money to wreak havoc in a salary cap-less NFL.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 11, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So
we can draft a QB in the top 5 and he can sit for two years… see McNair.

So the NFL in 2009 is the same as it was in 1995. No offense, but that thinking is limited.

The quarterbacks on the Oilers 1994 roster: Cody Carlson and Bucky Richardson. If those were the Seahawks quarterbacks, then yes, they should take a quarterback. Matt Hasselbeck (and Seneca Wallace for that matter) is not Cody Carlson or Bucky Richardson.

by Right on Dec 8, 2008 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, the media/press has really gone down hill

I’m reading the transcript of the Holmgren post-game conference at Hawks Insider and someone seriously asked Holmgren about the new Washington head coach. Seriously, what the fuck does UW have to do with the Hawks? Why would anyone ask that in a post-game conference? Holmgren always the class act still answered the question.

by MFAN on Dec 7, 2008 11:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hard to go down hill

when you’ve been stuck in the valley for years.

I’d say 80% of all questions Holmgren’s answered his entire tenure here have been fluff. Our local media has always seemed more concerned with the human interest or behind the scenses “hey, I golf with this guy” stuff, then actual X’s and O’s or personnel decisions.

In fairness, I could see them asking because there’s some vague norm Chow/BYU connections between Holmgren and the new UW guy … but still, you’re right – that’s a question for a separate interview or off-the-record stuff. Not something you ask at the post-game.

by jteckmann on Dec 8, 2008 12:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Most peopel don't pay attention to Xs and Os.

That’s why ESPN plays a different sob story every week, and also why they started E60 or whatever that 60 minutes story is all about.

by LantermanC on Dec 8, 2008 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if this ESPN article is serious, but it says Oher's stock is falling?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3745613

If that’s true, I think it’d still be best to lose, but then trade down from pick 5 to maybe pick 10 (article suggests he could fall to the bottom half of the 1st round, I highly doubt that is true, if that were true, we could take Bradford with our first, and then trade up and get Oher with a trade up of our 2nd… which is mind-numbingly insane to me). That’d be pretty awesome.

by LantermanC on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would literally give a digit for that to happen

One of my right toes, for sure. Bastards have been too cocky for years anyways, making my left foot carry the burden most of the time. Teach them a lesson…

by vanrijn on Dec 8, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit. McCoy just said that he'd be back for his senior season.

Normally I’d be fine with this, but he’s a redshirt junior, so it’s good to come out, especially when you’re a projected top 10 pick. Also, his supposed longtime girlfriend is a senior at Baylor anyways, so she’ll be graduating as well, more reason to go pro. Dwindling of the top tier talent is never good for a team that is 2-11.

by LantermanC on Dec 8, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

dammit

why, in a year when we finally get a high draft pick, are so many promising college guys staying for another season?

Double dammit.

by djafrot on Dec 8, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because they don't want to be Raiders or Lions.

Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.

by abender20 on Dec 8, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we've just got football beer goggles on when we look at our own team.

And these college guys don’t want to be Seahawks. Maybe, just maybe, we’re terribly overlooking our flaws and we’re in the same situation as the Raiders and Lions (ugh).

And yes, I know that’s not true at all.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Dec 8, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you included that last sentence

As much as I am not a fan of Colin Cowherd, he describes the Raiders organization as a “dumpster fire”, and that’s not too far off. Ruskell may like bringing in undervalued players, but he most certainly did not pay top dollar for DeAngelo Hall and Tommy Kelly.

Can't wait for Ruskell to knock this one out of the park.

by abender20 on Dec 8, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see this for Crabtree,

but I’m pretty sure McCoy won’t be a Raider… though you never know with Al Davis, perhaps he gave up on JaMarcus already.

by LantermanC on Dec 8, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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