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Draft Preview: Mario Manningham

A productive wide receiver from a football powerhouse whose stock had dropped because of a poor combine, I thought I'd love Mario Manningham. Except, I didn't. And the more I watched and deeper I dug, the less I liked.

I'm not too worried about Manningham's speed, it's sufficient--at least. He changes gears smoothly and is very good at tracking the ball in flight. I am worried about his cuts, which are long and sloppy, his ability to beat the press, the slightly built Manningham was put in motion a ton, and how his skills will translate to the pros. Being that Manningham isn't incredibly fast, tall, able to jump, outcompete for the ball or shed the press, I just don't see him translating as a deep threat. If he can't run a clean route, or dependably catch the ball, he's not going to become much else, either.

Another thing that struck me was that Michigan seemed to run their passing offense through Manningham. He was the go-to guy, targeted on deep passes and wide receiver screens. Could his yardage be the result of a Steve Smith-like focus in the passing attack? Instead of looking at raw yardage, I looked into his completion percentage. In 2007, only 55% of all passes that targeted Manningham were completed. So, 16.3 yards per completion, yes, but only 8.96 yards per target. Compare that with Field Gulls favorite Malcolm Kelly: 58% completion, 9.77 yards per target. Manningham gets away with a lot of cutback antics that won't fly in the pros, too. His game screams undisciplined. He's the kind of athlete that can dominate inferior competition, but whose cocky style becomes a liability against top competition. Need further proof? Against top 25 defensive teams as measured by FEI, expanded over the past two seasons to improve the sample size (6 games), Manningham caught 56% of passes targeting him. An improvement, right? Except his YPC drops to just 12.25, and his yard per attempt is an awful 6.90. In other words, his completion percentage is still just okay and, in fact, propped up by a lot of go-nowhere wide receiver screens. Instead of looking like a top deep threat, Manningham looks like the best weapon in a bad offense.

It's interesting the path a post can take you down. I started this with the hope of advocating Manningham, thinking Seattle needs to target a wide receiver in the draft and looking for a bargain, but end it feeling pretty confident that Manningham's a bust. Seattle already has a wide receiver with good open field skills, exciting athleticism, but loose route running and a questionable ability to get open, Nate Burleson. I talk a lot about not expecting a player to develop new skills, how that's poor talent acquisition, but you must also be aware of the skills that a player might lose. Through age, injury or a transition to faster, stronger more competent competition. After researching him, I wonder, if Manningham's not a pro caliber deep threat than what is he?

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Its funny how many of these big time WR
that are coming out of college seem to turn into busts or have big caution flags.

Well now I have offically fallen off the Manningham bandwagon

Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check

by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 10, 2008 2:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Attitude
It was either the Oregon or Ohio State game (the only two Michigan games I watched, and both bad games for Michigan) in which Manningham threw an absolute tizzy fit because he wasn't getting the ball enough.  Not the type of attitude I think we want in Seattle, especially without any clearcut advantages (see Moss, TO).  

by jeager on Mar 10, 2008 2:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Attitude wouldn't really bug me
unless we had a young unproven QB. Hasselbeck is a borderline HOF (couple more good year and its possilbe) So he could pretty much tell Manningham to shut the hell up.
Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check

by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 10, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

HOF
You're not serious are you?

by Nate Dogg on Mar 10, 2008 10:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As much as I love beck,
he's never going into the HOF.

by redwolf75 on Mar 10, 2008 11:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Have you looked at QB HOF numbers?
And I did say a few more good years
Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check

by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 11, 2008 7:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great write up
I have been wondering about him for a while now, and have read multiple reports but all just quick blurbs.  I enjoy reading stuff way more when the author has the Seahawks on their mind while writing.

How do you feel about taking WR's in the first round?  My perception is that they flop in the NFL more often than any other position.  And with them not reaching their potential until their third year it seems that as long as the talent is close you should take another position and get WR's through free agency or later rounds in the draft.  

by germpod on Mar 10, 2008 3:59 PM PDT   0 recs

As with anything else, if they're worth it.
I think a lot of people underestimate WRs, which confounds me after what Randy Moss did for New England last season and what TO has done for every team he's played on. It's a demanding position, far less fungible than running back. I think my major problem is that WRs are still evaluated in strange ways. As if every guy who can burn a 40 and rack up yards at a major school is a pro caliber talent. A ton more emphasis should be put on route running, competing for the ball, hands, timing, ability to read a zone and ability to separate. My biggest problem with taking a WR in the first round is that scouts seem less able to tell who's really good. Maybe it really is that hard, but doing scouting myself this past year I'm starting to wonder if it's the practice or the personnel that makes for so many bad scouting reports. Linemen are more of a certainty, easier to grade, but I don't think they are necessarily more valuable.

by John Morgan on Mar 10, 2008 4:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I really like Devin Thomas
He seems like an ideal WCO WR, and he's a Ruskell kind of guy from what I understand. Kiper actually has the Hawks taking him in the first in his most recent mock. I liked him before he blew up the combine, and thought he'd be a great 2nd round pick. Now, I'm not even sure he'd be there in the first. Maybe you can do a report on him John? I think that'd be pretty awesome.

by joeshow30 on Mar 11, 2008 12:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The mock draft trend has changed
It seems now that we are signing Jones the trend seems to be changing to picking: Kentwan Balmer, DT from Norch Carolina or Devin Thomas, WR from Michigan State.

by germpod on Mar 10, 2008 4:04 PM PDT   0 recs

So for your stats
How do other guys in the draft fare under similar circumstances?

by Dobbs on Mar 10, 2008 4:33 PM PDT   0 recs

DeSean Jackson?

Yea or nay?  Too small to be of much use?

by notor on Mar 10, 2008 4:51 PM PDT   0 recs

E Bennett, E Doucet, L Sweed, K Burton
Are guys who I think are gonna translate very well to the pros.

by puerto on Mar 10, 2008 5:41 PM PDT   0 recs

I'd love to see
an Early Doucet write up.  Although it'd be hard, he's either not been healthy or has played with some really talented guys ahead of him.

by Nate Dogg on Mar 10, 2008 11:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For what it's worth
all the scouting reports I've seen on him liken him to his ex-teamate Bowe, which is promising.

by joeshow30 on Mar 11, 2008 12:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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