Seahawks Sign Mare

by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 27, 2008 3:46 PM PDT

At least that's what is being reported.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/27/seahawks-to-add-mare/

Mare was good on kickoffs and poor on FG. But like John said "field goal percentage is a poor measure of a kicker".

Update: Look at it like this: In his first 5 seasons Brown kicked 145 field goal attempts and converted 116. He's been 80% accurate. In Mare's first 5 season he kicked 161 field goal attempts and converted 136. He was 84.5% accurate. After that Mare had 3 straight seasons where he didn't top 80%. Now, did Mare get worse or did the larger sample size simply give us a better idea of Mare's true ability? Meanwhile, Brown has kicked 417 kickoffs. He averages 62.5 yards and kicks a touchback once every 11.1 attempts. Mare has 774 kickoffs. His career average is 63.9 yards with a touchback every 4.5 attempts. In the last 6 seasons, 392 attempts, Mare has been even better. He's averaged 65.1 yards per attempt and a touchback once every 3.8 attempts. That's something you can hold your hat on.

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good? I guess?

by Matthew @ Field Gulls on Mar 27, 2008 4:36 PM PDT reply actions

We got a female horse

as our placekicker?

"I think we know who the 'Hawks true rival is"-John Morgan

by Coach Owens on Mar 27, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions

This

Sucks.

Rob Bironas was still on the market.

Juck Fosh Brown

by SSreporters on Mar 27, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply actions

whatever

I think the Hawks will live.

by MFAN on Mar 27, 2008 5:39 PM PDT reply actions

I guess you have a point

He only made 58.8% of his field goals last season, but that was only on 17 attempts. His worst year prior that was two years ago with 72.2% completion, and every year prior over the course of his career he's hit over 75% of them. So I think it's safe to chalk last year up to an abberation from a small sample size.

by notor @ Field Gulls on Mar 27, 2008 6:22 PM PDT reply actions

Jesus.

A touchback every 3.8 attempts? That's awesomely awesome.

Jimmimoose

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Mar 27, 2008 6:41 PM PDT reply actions

dang

i knew the rams's new kicker was bad, but at least he's better than mare.

Where's Christian?

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 27, 2008 6:48 PM PDT reply actions

It'll be fine.

I think.

--Shrug

by Shrug on Mar 27, 2008 9:00 PM PDT reply actions

yeah it will.

WHEN HE MISSES A 48 YARDER AGAINST THE RAMS AS TIME EXPIRES AND THE HAWKS LOSE!!!!

Where's Christian?

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 27, 2008 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions

For that to happen

the Rams would need to be able to keep it close . . .

by The Ancient Mariner on Mar 28, 2008 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions

that won't be a problem.

Where's Christian?

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 28, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions

Hahahahahaha....haha....ha....

Oh man. Never change. :)

by BrettJMiller on Mar 28, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Hahahahahaha....haha....ha....

Oh man. Please do change. :)

"I think we know who the 'Hawks true rival is"-John Morgan

by Coach Owens on Mar 28, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions

STFU

Where's Christian?

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 28, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions

man

tell the jackasses over at lookout landing that. they hate me over there. i guess i'm not enough anti-mariner for them (because i don't really hate the mariners. i could actually care less about them, my team's in the opposite league).

Where's Christian?

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 28, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Its Graham

he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day

Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check

by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 29, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions

I think Graham wakes up on the wrong

side of the bed every day.

Jimmimoose

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Mar 30, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions

i was thinking the same thing.

Where's Christian?

by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 30, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Norm Johnson is selling real estate in the area

On another note, I'd think the 'hawks will probably bring in a 7th rounder, or a free agent kicker to compete, competition will be good for him. Also with a shakey long snapper, we have seen how bad Josh Brown was. Is there any information on Mare's LS and Holder when he was good compared to when he was bad?

by nwse on Mar 28, 2008 9:34 AM PDT reply actions

Champion-ship!!

by SpokaneSHAWK on Mar 28, 2008 10:06 AM PDT reply actions

Haha

TJ Whosyomama...championship!

Jimmimoose

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Mar 28, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions

home field advantage?

I'm surprised John Morgan didn't put Mare's recent statistics in line with the fact he was kicking half of his games in the Superdome instead of Qwest. I assume that park affect does go into kickoff length, at least for this past year. Not to say the basic premise of kicker evaluation listed here is incorrect, but I would assume Mare's numbers on length to decrease somewhat.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Mar 29, 2008 12:02 AM PDT reply actions

defiantly

kicking into the open end of Quest is going to kill some off his kickoffs

Coach Owens = Scruffy's spell check

by Scruffy Lefty on Mar 29, 2008 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions

Domes do matter.

But we're talking about 24 kickoffs in the Superdome total. Including his worst performance of the season against the Rams playing through injuries (5 KOs/44.6 yards average). I considered using FO's weather and return team adjusted metrics, but then we're more evaluating the entire kick return team unit and less the kicker. Considering all options, I thought isolating kickoff length and TB ratio provided the most accurate portrait of Mare.

by John Morgan on Mar 29, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions

Seems optimistic...

I remember when Mare was a pretty darn good kicker, I'm not sure that is still the case. I agree with the small sample size and also agree that using FO's stats don't provide a good picture. I think Mare will be passable, but hold out hope that we'll draft a young kicker and move forward with him similar to Josh Brown.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Mar 29, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions