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Live Blog NFL Draft III

5:53

And that about concludes the first day.

On first look, I'd give Seattle a solid "B". Trading down and still getting the player they want was huge. The more I think about Jackson, the more I think he's a straight "A" pick at 28. In 5 years, I think people will be talking about how this guy never stopped dominating at every stop in his career. Carlson is a little iffier. Obviously, he was above and beyond the top tight end on my board, but I wasn't sure I wanted Seattle to take a TE in the first day and adding in a 3rd round pick makes Carlson very expensive. The kid will contribute, though. He's a lock to be good, a lock to be a complete tight end, and the tightness and fluidity of his route running cannot be understated. At Notre Dame he was facing a lot of DBs because of the overall weakness of their offense. In the NFL, he's going to humiliate some linebackers. Quite a few, in fact. I also think this is a concession to Holmgren. Big Mike is retiring and it's about damn time he gets his tight end.

Here's your best remaining value in semi-order.

Anthony Collins Huge value here. One of the few true left tackles in this draft. Better upside than almost anyone. The perfect pick to stash and develop. I want Seattle to get this guy.

Early Doucet: Killed in my % per attempt and YPA metrics. Solid contributor in venerable defensive conference. Low downside. Good fit for Seattle. Great support skills: blocking, returning.

Andre Fluellen: Highly rated prospect due for a bounce back. Great value. A natural 3.

I'm going to go get some real beer, watch some 4th season Sopranos and pretend today's my birthday. I'll check in later. Thanks everyone, we've long since surpassed 10,000 views. That's pretty damn cool. This has been a really active and respectful thread and that alone is better than 100,000 views. You guys rock.

5:37

With Dexter Jackson, along with every other WR in the draft, being selected in the second, I think Early Doucet will be available in third. He's worth trading down for. Watch out for Andre Fluellen, too. I think Seattle could be very interested in him.

5:29

Those wondering why Green Bay drafted Brohm and now has two Qbs might want to look at their pass blocking. They didn't allow many sacks, but Brett Favre + McCarthy's system masked a true weakness. Now, some might say they should take a tackle, but that's retrograde thinking. The Pack can now just sub in whoever's healthy.

Wait, WHAT?

5:19

People pretty new to this frenzy should take note how the draft has played out in comparison to your garden variety Mock. Across the multitude you see a good level of agreement, yet they're way off compared to reality. Moral: 99.9% of Mock Drafts are nothing more than fantasy.

5:04

We're winding down the first day. Seattle has picked up some big talent, but it's important to consider the big picture. No one will look at Seattle as one of the big winners of day one. But they've added two starters. This was a very good team last season, and its biggest weakness, BY FAR, the running game, was revamped fairly cheaply in free agency. Ignore the flash and look at the facts and you'll see a very good team that has had one of the best overall offseasons in the NFL.

2:59

That's working the phones. Lets see what Seattle got for moving a few spots. Nevertheless, glad to see them acquire a few picks

28th pick, we know, 5th and 7th. Very nice.

 

3:15

Lawrence Jackson

Very good pick here. Obviously, Seattle needed depth behind Kerney. Seattle prefers strong, balanced defensive ends.

 

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Good move, so who do we take??

Brohm? the top WR?

Clemson DE, DT?

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Another break?!?!

They’re not even trying to feign interest in the Hawks

by ningwers on Apr 26, 2008 3:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They might as well just say

“Nobody really cares about the Seahawks, so let’s break for commercial”

by cyberwulf on Apr 26, 2008 3:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Here listen to this shitty grunge music no one here listens to while we talk about San Diego until we switch you to a commercial

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows

The Falcons took us by surprise by trading up for Baker

by ningwers on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be nice.

If we dont get him, it isnt the end of the world though

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love ESPN

Two times on the clock. Two commercial breaks. Sweeeeeet.

by Nuss on Apr 26, 2008 3:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NFLN did the same thing

The only analysis they’ve given us is “Dustin Keller”

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My reasoning for Hardy (pick #19 in the mock)

I pondered whether or not I should go defense here. But, Seattle has lost DJ Hackett and Deion Branch suffered a devastating knee injury. Bobby Engram is getting old, so it’s time to bring in a new set of receivers for Seattle.

Hardy may not be fast (4.51 40), but he has massive hands and I don’t see him dropping many passes, something that has plagued the Seahawks for years. James also has a 42 inch vertical leap and since he is 6’7, I think that will help with jump balls. He has good upper body strength, and should be a powerful receiver for Matt Hasselbeck.

In 2008, I wouldn’t mind seeing Hardy, Burleson, Obumanu and Engram as the four WR set.

See ya Shaun.

by SSreporters on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Could be an interesting TE

I could see Hardy putting on a few more pounds and moving inside, can’t you?

by Nuss on Apr 26, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ruskell take note: Trading down again

would work well for my schedule. Need to head down to watch a hockey game with some friends. Should be able to get there in time for a 2nd round pick.

by cyberwulf on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My dream move

Trade down for some extra picks, still be able to grab Keller, but in the early second.

by AtomicGarden on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

C'monnnnn trade

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 26, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Pick is in...hm.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 26, 2008 3:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they don't cover the seahawks

becuase Mel has no clue who Ruskell likes

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2008 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...who?

Yesterday's Pants
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by BrettJMiller on Apr 26, 2008 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here we go

NO!!!!

See ya Shaun.

by SSreporters on Apr 26, 2008 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jackson DE USC

I don’t know anything about this guy

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Any guy from USC is fine with me

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!

Another pick we’ll get ripped for!

by Nuss on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am fine with that

what happened to Merling tho?

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jackson

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Explanation!

The artist formerly known as Katal

by Katal LM on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LJ

I like the pick actually. Not a ton of pass rush, but plays the run well. A better version of Phillip Daniels.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No to Manningham

Arrington would be available in the later rounds

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good pick, Jackson is a solid player

much better pick than Balmer

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Repeat after me

In Ruskell We Trust
In Ruskell We Trust
In Ruskell We Trust
In Ruskell We Trust
In Ruskell We Trust

by cyberwulf on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, In Ruskell I trust...

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who?

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I blame Mora

Cheeseburgers are delicious.

by Coach Owens on Apr 26, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame anyone

No offense Coach, but Ruskell > any of us.

The artist formerly known as Katal

by Katal LM on Apr 26, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame Coach Owens

for being a person that deified his parents attempt at an abortion

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why does this happen?

this comment was suppose to go somewhere else

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Sacks are way overrated

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why is everyone hating this

a top notch DE from USC? Yes please

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

USC runs our defense

so we know the learning curve won’t be steep. Also, this was Rang’s pick for us at 25.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've said "who?" for every first pick we've made in the Ruskell era

and most of the 2nd round picks. I trust Ruskell.

Maybe I… Truskell.

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

same here

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So guys, don't flip out on this pick.

John named a bunch of guys that didn’t get picked last year. Don’t worry so much about this.

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Merling was a rough cut

Perhaps a better potential, but Jackson will be ready to play.

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly...

I saw a lot of Clemson and Merling disappears a bit. I think his upside is exaggerated a bit. Jackson is a great fit for us.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would've been dumb to take a TE there

But with everyone that fell to us…why LJ?

by OlSalty on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHA!!!

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lauren Jackson

Center, Seattle Storm.

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

haha Balmer

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not so much Jackson I don't like

It’s just that I remember looking out at the offense at one point last year and being stunned at the lack of playmakers. That offense got old in a hurry, and it’s only getting older. This doesn’t help AT ALL. We added to a strength with this pick, and I don’t think that’s a good thing.

by Nuss on Apr 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chad Johnson or Boldin

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was really hoping Mendenhall would fall to 25

I really would have liked to see them take a chance on the WR from MSU. That guy could develop into a playmaker. But again, Ruskell loves safe picks that are unlikely to bust. This guy falls into that category, obviously. He just can’t buy into even a 10 percent chance that a guy will bust, and the MSU kid only had one good year. Same with Malcolm Kelly.

I’m perfectly happy they didn’t take a TE, though. For reference on that one, check out some guy named Boss in NY.

by Nuss on Apr 26, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're saying DeSean Jackson?

Or is there another playmaker you were thinking of that we passed over?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hrmmm...

I trust ruskel he is a man who seems to know what he is doing

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Apr 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

here's what chris landry had to say about jackson

“productive, smart player in mark anderson mold, keys and diagnoses very well”

by langsty on Apr 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are people saying who?

Lawrence Jackson played at fucking USC, he’s not exactly a nobody.

Obviously I’m biased but I love LoJack.

The poster formerly known as Matt.

by bluemax on Apr 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

An all-american nobody

if memory serves. The kid’s a player.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 26, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of All Americans

don’t do anything in the NFL. I trust Ruskell, but it doesn’t make this any less shocking.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure...

This is about where I saw him coming off boards.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 26, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is another classic Ruskell pick Jackson is undersized

The Good: Jackson is a mobile, strong athlete who uses his strength to battle bigger tackles. He combines good technique, power and quickness with a relentless attitude to pressure the passer effectively. He has been effective in run support despite marginal size.

The Bad: Lacks the burst of speed needed to be an elite edge rusher. Gets caught up with blockers at times and gets "washed out" of too many plays to his side. He can struggle facing double-team blocks. Lacks ideal size.

Outlook: His size is a concern, but his quickness and strength more than compensate for that factor. He can play either side at end. He’s a probable second-round pick, with clubs such as the Titans, Bengals, Eagles and Bucs interested.

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's 270+

I don’t think his size is an issue. 4-3 ends don’t get much bigger. I don’t think Strahan plays at much more if any more.

I see Jackson as a better version of Phillip Daniels and a do-everything end and the kid from Va Tech as a specialist.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Apr 26, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing is I'm sure we could have traded down

And got Jackson in the top 10 picks of the 2nd round

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 26, 2008 3:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trades arent one sided..

You need someone willing to trade up

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not everyone is so willing to trade down

Perhaps it just wasn’t there. I’ll give Ruskell the benefit of the doubt on this one.

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

Have we ever traded up? Or am I thinking that we dont ever go for someone….effin M’s making me hate front offices.

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

tatupu

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This could turn out just like another "undersized" USC player - Tatupu

Mel Kiper didnt like that one either. Thats why he is a douche bag

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Tim knows a bit more about building defense than we do

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hasn't played a snap yet

how do you know how good he is?

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didnt put a value on "how" good he is

Are you saying he isnt a good player? Hes the top TE in the draft, hes going to contribute to an NFL team.

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damnit....this is getting boring. I woke up this morning thinking it was Christmas

turns out I am a Jehovahs Witness today.

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We could have got him in the second

I, for one, am really pissed off. We’re probably the only team to rate this guy higher than merling, campbell and groves. we could have sat in the second and taken him, and got desean jackson or trevor laws

by ciarannh on Apr 26, 2008 3:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Bavasi running this draft?

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seeing as we haven't traded our picks for veterans

I don’t think so. Thats a terrible comparison.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reactions?

You can post whatever you want there bud.

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do. I dont like JuJo or Duckett.

I want a home run hitter. I don’t like it that we like being safe…...I like taking chances.

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I own you in golf.

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington

Anyone think he’s a stretch for the 2nd round. Grabbing another USC player?

by Sir_Fiendish on Apr 26, 2008 3:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

when's our next pick?

what number? also loljets

by paul2 on Apr 26, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

55 round 2

(answered myself)

by paul2 on Apr 26, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One other thing to remember

Ruskell said they would be drafting the famed “best player available.” That means they think Lawrence Jackson was the best player available. Hmmmmm …

by Nuss on Apr 26, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Seahawks have guys who spend the entire season scouting college players.

This isn’t some random selection. They definitely had him ranked above those players or they would have selected them.

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also mentioned

that the defensive line should be revamped every year. So it really shouldn’t come as a surprise

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If not

Carlson or Bennet will, you have to think at this stage some wideouts with great value will be as well

by ciarannh on Apr 26, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

TE

carlson will probably be the pick if hes there, I don’t know if he’s not. could be bennet who looks like he has a lot of ptential

by sonicwind on Apr 26, 2008 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Hardy fell that far, I would love him.

Can you imagine how Holmgren could move him around, both inside and outside, to exploit matchups? That is a guy who is still getting better—he’s only focused on football for a couple of years.

by Nuss on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good pick. I wanted him

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There goes Phillips

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Scruffy

call me if something good happens….I cant watch this anymore.

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by Christian on Apr 26, 2008 3:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Will do

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Jets have no more first-day picks.

by BrianL on Apr 26, 2008 3:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Phillips NYG

Tear Shed

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Merling to Miami

I wonder if Brohm could fall to 55??

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember how we didn't even have a 1st round pick last year?

And then picked up Josh Wilson and Brandon Mebane?

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ruskell was just on ESPN News.

It took 2 minutes to find the channel and only caught the last 30 secods of blah blah blah. Anyone else see the interview?

by Wilder. on Apr 26, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fred Davis ...

would be a decent second-round pick.

Although Davis is a bit short for the tight end position, he’s a solid pass catcher and a much, much better blocker than Dustin Keller - who thankfully was passed on by Tim Ruskell - however, anything is a possibility at this point.

by AK1984 on Apr 26, 2008 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In terms of what? He is definitely not a better player.

Because FG has him slotted as our 4th round pick? How does that make him better

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think TE's are worth first day picks

I never have. They just aren’t that important to a winning team. I also think you can find good ones in later rounds.

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

later on without a huge drop in NFL potential*

by OlSalty on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing the rest of our division is pretty poorly managed

Man I love having Ruskell

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I just cant see the other teams catching us while our FO is so strong and our owner is so supportive with money

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact of the matter is

that the draft played out perfectly for us, until we picked. Everyone that we have collectively dreamed of for the last few months, laws, jackson, phillips, were all available. We chose to reach for a player in a spot that isn’t as high a need as SS,DT, or WR, positions in which there was great value. We need a receiver in the second

by ciarannh on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Laws would have been a massive reach

No one has him rated higher than the mid-2nd round

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can appreciate your defense of Ruskell

but Jackson was a bit of a reach. Not that he won’t be good, not that I don’t trust Ruskell, but that was a really surprising move.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isnt much of a defense.

Nearly ALL mock drafts had us taking Dustin Keller or Kentwaan Balmer.

Neither of those, as everyone here seems to think, would have been a good choice.

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey look

someone took a wideout!

by BrianL on Apr 26, 2008 3:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Donnie Avery is the first off the board?

He was a guy going in the 2nd/3rd round in mock drafts b/c the good WRs were gone.

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a fair amount of tall, athletic ...

wideouts still available who fit the mold as a prototypical possession receiver at split end.

At least one of Linas Sweed, Malcolm Kelly, and James Hardy should drop to the 55th pick.

by AK1984 on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ya

nothin wrong with improving the pass rush. i dunno if merling/campbell were better prospects or not, but I’m sure there must have been obvious positives in Jackson’s game that would have made the Hawks FO decide on him.

Let's go.

by J Hens on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Only way to catch lightning in a bottle

Is to throw the bottle at the lightning

Coach Owens has no bones

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I'm reading Jackson is more of the sure thing

Merling Campbell and the like are better prospects, but Jackson will be able to contribute now and not 2-3 years from now.

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.. Campbell had less sacks and a worse workout than Jackson in a worse conference.

Not sure what all the hype is about. He was ranked #15 by most places and dropped to the 2nd round..

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone had Jordy in the 3rd round

Obviously the Packers saw something they liked…

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you guys defending lawrence jackson are missing the point

he may or may not be a better player that is irrelevant

the point is, he was low on other teams radar and could have been gotten later for less

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We don't know that for sure

People raked us over coals for trading up for Tatupu when other teams have said that they would’ve taken him if we hadn’t done so.

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have no idea that is true since you are judging it based on Scout.com, ScoutsINC etc

You have no access to “teams radars”

By that same evaluation method Jordy Nelson could have been had WAY later than GB took him. I highly doubt that is the case.

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to say where he is on other teams radar

and it’s certain he wouldn’t have been around for the Hawks next pick. It’s a very surprising pick, but it’s not a bad pick.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not really missing the point

all i can really say is

LOFA TATUPU

Let's go.

by J Hens on Apr 26, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WE TRADED UP!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 26, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ooooo

WEEEEE JUST TRADED UP FOR LAWS I THINK

by OlSalty on Apr 26, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BAHAH

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...

Well at least it was the TE I would have preferred

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Notre Dame......

not laws though, haha that sent me for a loop

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Its official

We’re fucking retarded! HE”D BE THERE AT 55!

by ciarannh on Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

you need to allow that Ruskell might know this better than you.

by Matthew on Apr 26, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have no way of knowing that

Although I still dislike this pick

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU DONT KNOW THAT.

Do you see into the future? Would you have had Merling at 32? No

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well according to you

no one knows anything because none of us really have any insider information. you can get hung up over our lack of insider information or just consider it for what it is.. an opinion, and recognize you have one as well, which is likewise based on what little true information you really know. you don’t have to point out that each individual person really doesn’t know much… we already know that, and it’s true about you too.

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we had picks to deal

the Hawks liked him, they moved up a little to get him. It’s not like we traded our next years 1st round pick for him.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

noooooooooooooooo!

well hopefully this works out better than Rick Meier

by don gato on Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i was hoping jackson oh well

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm..not sure about trading up for Carlson

but we add some extra picks to deal from Dallas, I like the move.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ruskell can't win them all

Its not horrid..but just head-scratching

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 26, 2008 4:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shit.

Second and third round picks.

by BrianL on Apr 26, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2nd and our 3rd pick

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats too much in my opinion.

Is Carlson THAT much better than Davisat 55 and whoever we could have had in the third?

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

there goes our 3rd round

I can’t see into the future, but even if he was taken bennett or davis would have been there. both are at least as talented as carlson

by ciarannh on Apr 26, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK this was stupid

That 3rd round pick is way to valuable to just give away like that. Bad move Ruskell

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trust Ruskell

He’s never hurt us before

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by BrettJMiller on Apr 26, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate first day TE picks anyway

I am fuming. I am trying to trust him on this one, but I can’t bring myself to it.

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to trust Ruskell

but I don’t know about giving up that third round pick.

by BrianL on Apr 26, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ya i agree,

i think maybe we haven’t really realized how important a good TE is for us. It seems like such a small position, but in the WCO i think it can really pay dividends.

i’d rather have this happen then have used our 1st on any other TE

Let's go.

by J Hens on Apr 26, 2008 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2nd and 3rd is a bit much

but they could still get another pick in a trade, plus we added a 5th and another 7th.

Carlson is good.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So Seahawks are done for today eh

Barring any other trades.

All I have to say is

Meh

by marinator on Apr 26, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

copy cat league

seattle has dallas envy. bringing in julius & now trying to replicate witten

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

4.9 40 yard dash?

I run faster than that, c’mon, what a slow as balls TE… hopfully he’s a great route runner, blocker, and catches everything

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2008 4:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He was getting over a really bad illness

when he ran that 40. His personal work out was much better if I remember right.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok good

Why the hell did ESPN say 4.9 though, fucking retards, if they can’t get their info right, what good are they? Certainly not for professional commentating. I wish they had some competition in the sports reporting world.

http://seattlesportsmaniac.blogspot.com

by LantermanC on Apr 26, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what he ran at the combine

So that’s his ‘official’ 40 time

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, its sloppy.

As if his 40 he ran in his personal workout for all the NFL teams isnt as legit, just because they werent invited to it..

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think they do.

But if youre all highly touting them, then you should be super excited about this pick

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you want to just be super negative all the time, but we are getting good players

and believe it or not, I have more faith in our GM and Scouts than the Seahawks blogging community and a handful of “scouts” who work for websites.

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol there's no basis to claiming i'm a generally negative person

it’s your duty as a sports fan to question your franchise’s decisions. don’t be such a Ruskell-tory!

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

I thought your job as a fan was to support your team.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you just blindly support it you're not much of a fan..

Loyal to the core but of course you’ve gotta question them. Look at what not questioning our officials got us with Bush & this war. Not good.

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's just playing both sides

I use rankings or statistics, he bashes them as being off base, then he turns around and uses them. It doesn’t really matter it’s just.. funny.

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all we really gave up was a 3rd round pick

we still picked in round 2, so we didn’t really lose that pick.

A 3rd rounder is very valuable, but it’s not the end of the world. Carlson is probably the best TE in the class and is ready to contribute.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 4:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats true.

It would be ideal if we could get into the third round somehow. Maybe Mo Morris and a 5th rounder? I have no idea

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're getting serviceable players.

I’m not normally this negative, and i hate that I am. But I really think that we made two huge reaches, and with needs at WR, DT, and DB I dont see the sense in dropping a 3rd to get a TE that won’t automatically stretch the field

by ciarannh on Apr 26, 2008 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know they do

But with Hackett gone, a big injury hanging over Branch, and Engram turning 35 it should be a consideration in the TE we take

by ciarannh on Apr 26, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bears didn't pounce on Brohm?

Or Henne? They fell right in their lap!

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha matt forte to Chi town

I can’t believe someone hasn’t snatched up Brohm

by clamslayer on Apr 26, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

New Orleans would of Drafted Carlson

Carlson wouldn’t of been there because NO would of taken them since they apparantly couldn’t get the Shockey deal done.

by xSAMx on Apr 26, 2008 4:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Poor Brohm

No one’s called him. The Rams at least called Henne.

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Steelers having a very nice draft

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O-Line

was their big problem last year, and they haven’t done anything to address that yet.

by Nate Dogg on Apr 26, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brohm or Henne will be a dolphin

I’m still holding out small hope that we somehow get Brohm.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 5:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, I wish

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do these morons really like Pizza Hut pasta? Really?

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

where is marinator?

he said it was awful

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried the chicken stuff

It’s good…..if you like eating pure salt

by OlSalty on Apr 26, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine a world where Pizza Hut makes good pasta

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are the Titans ever going to get VY some receiving help?

First they reach on Chris Johnson, now a DE in round 2. Come on. Your defense isnt the problem….

by ASUBoyd on Apr 26, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

just reading the thread. Remember how we said last year we all went “WHO?” when they drafted Wilson and that it wouldn’t happen this year because of all the awesome work John did on the draft (which is 100% true).

Well everyones first reaction to Jackson was “WHO”....just found that kinda funny.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Ruskell...

Enjoys picking someone that no one around has heard anything about and then laughs at our reaction. Jerk.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like a bonehead for missing Jackson.

It’s pretty damn obvious, actually. I just never invested much time into DEs.

by John Morgan on Apr 26, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn it, JM!

I expect you to give me sterling analysis on every potential player the Seahawks might pick and I expect it for free!

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brohm to Green Bay?????

seems odd.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 5:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What does that say about Aaron Rodgers?

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that's a pretty big middle finger to Rodgers

does just them great depth if anything happens.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aww, Brohmy

Aaron Rodgers is NOT smiling right now

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 5:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To tell the truth, I'd rather have Brohm.

as our 2nd pick (and still have our 3rd) than Carlson. That way we could’ve taken a player like stevens in the 3rd and still be set.

by redwolf75 on Apr 26, 2008 5:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we'd all like to have a real backup QB

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a couple games here and there, not too much

As a long term solution, I can’t imagine us wanting to move forward with him. We have a couple year window to grab someone to sit behind Hass and learn. Maybe they like Charlie Frye more than I do.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QBs an important enough position that I would argue you can't have too many

Think Cleveland. They dumped Frye, found that Derek Anderson played “well”, and still have Brady Quinn.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The money issue is definitely present

If you’re rebuilding though, I still think it’s worth it. Trade later if you have to. Sometimes it takes so long to find that franchise QB, I’d take as many opportunities as possible to get them. (didn’t think you were down on the pick, ASUBoyd, I was actually agreeing with you)

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not too surprising

I think they may have ranked him as a better blocker then JM. Not having done the film work myself, I don’t know what they may have seen.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping for...

RB, QB, OT

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I won't be surprised with just about anything

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That seems to be a Ruskell staple

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas just replaced Anthony Fasano

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No he is not apparently

One more pick to go.

See ya Shaun.

by SSreporters on Apr 26, 2008 5:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Terell Thomas from USC

He’s good.

See ya Shaun.

by SSreporters on Apr 26, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Lawrence Jackson wore 96 at USC. I can repurpose my old Wistrom jersey.

by Strang on Apr 26, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so yeah, vintage Tim Ruskell on day 1

surprising us all with the Jackson pick (Which I absolutely love) and then making the most obvious hawks pick with Carlson (the guy was born to wear to hawks blue).

nice start to the draft.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 26, 2008 6:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DARIUS REYNAUD!!!

A perfect fit for our offense, check this guy out and imagine him slashing up the NFC West… YAC!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-699630719707539517&q=darius+reynaud&ei=lMwTSJWTBIqY-wHI3_GdBQ&hl=en

by Maverickngoose on Apr 26, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My predictions for tomorrow

Uhh well, I have no idea. They could go any combination of OL, WR, SS, DT, or QB with the remaining four picks, IMO. It just depends how Ruskell ranks the value of the upgrade at each position at any given time.

At some point I expect they will deal Morris tomorrow to move up or garner extra picks.

by OlSalty on Apr 26, 2008 10:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I think he’ll save LB for next year since there are many unaddressed positions left for this years draft, and we won’t need to worry about replacing Peterson/Hill until 09, and we are obviously making a run for it this year with Holmgren, as the Carlson pick definitely indicates a short-term plan for success.

by OlSalty on Apr 26, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only up at 7 for this??

actually I think the espn guys are still asleep.

FREE JEREMY REED!!

by MFAN on Apr 27, 2008 7:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yawn

That piece on Manningham makes me wonder if he will be drafted at all by a team that will give him any sort of cash..

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Apr 27, 2008 8:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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