Seahawks 2nd Round Pick: John Carlson
by John Morgan on Apr 26, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
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John Carlson
Here's my earlier scouting report. I don't think Carlson will set anyone's heart on fire, but he's a very solid tight end with almost no downside. Day one contributor, I don't think this is the best value here, but needless to say I'm very high on Carlson.
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Skills are broken down from a ++ to --. ++ are complete skills, pro ready. -- are glaring weaknesses. The kind of faults that can fell an otherwise top talent.
++
Route Running: Very fluid route runner in a demanding system. Crisp cuts, clean lines and excellent field awareness.
Conditioning: Maintains high level of play into 4th quarter.
+
Hands: Snatches the ball away from his body and quickly secures it. Consistent receiver who can make some hard catches.
Release: Gets off the line quickly and fights off the press effectively. Works his way through traffic and adjusts route for defenders.
Overall Athleticism: Smooth, no hitches in his run even when changing direction. Can lose his feet from under him.
Agility: Maintains speed into and out of cuts. Knows how to add a little speed when entering the soft spot in a zone or when shedding a defender.
Zone Awareness: Adjusts routes to zone coverage, consistently finds openings.
0
Blocking: Surprised? I was. A tenacious and spirited blocker when he engages, Carlson too often misses his assignment, losing position or being run around. Has the foundation of an excellent blocker, but exits college more of a support blocker.
Overall Speed: Speed tops out quickly. Doesn't look significantly faster after 10 yards than he does after 5.
-
RAC: Brings the fight to the defender, but isn't bruising. Lacks the agility to be much of a force in the open field in the NFL. Will not run away from NFL defenders.
Boxing Out Defenders: This could be the product of late throws, but I watched Carlson allow way too many defenders to make a play for the ball from behind. Needs to improve his ability to use his body position to remove the defender from the play.
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n/a
Summary: Carlson is a good, well-rounded tight end. He's a good blocker and steady force underneath. Many of his skills are pro ready, but an inability to run away from or box out defenders might limit his deep ability. The later may also limit his viability as a red zone target.
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excellent
If we get Laws we can call it a draft.
I like Carlson
He’s the probably the most pro-ready TE in the draft who can both pass and block, but trading that much to get him makes little sense to me.
He is the most pro-ready
It seems that is the way Ruskell is drafting. Perhaps trying to get one more for the Walrus before he rides into the sunset.
what all did we trade?
i didn’t hear the details, but i think i caught a 2nd and a 3rd? both this years?
Let's go.
like I've been saying, we probably gave up a bit too much
but Carlson is good and he’s the guy they wanted.
Jackson and Carlson = very very good day 1 for the Hawks!
FREE JEREMY REED!!
a pro-ready TE is nice
i mean, it’s not like we’ve ever had one before haha.
steve young was talking about that@ pick 25, how important a good TE is to the system
Let's go.
Now that I think about it
The trade makes a little more sense. New Orleans was likely to take Carlson with their pick if the Shockey trade never materialized.
That's a good point actually
I hadn’t thought of that
from nfldraftcountdown on carlson
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/johncarlson.html
’’Was also a superb basketball player coming out of high school and even earned a monogram with the Irish basketball team in 2003..Played behind Anthony Fasano, a future 2nd round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, early in his career…Played in a pro style offense in college…Voted a team captain as a senior…Brings a nice blend of physical tools and intangibles to the table…Will not be confused for Antonio Gates any time soon but he is a great all-around tight end who should be a NFL starter.’‘
i’ve heard the basketball skills mentioned with TE alot actually, and the ability to block out defenders to go up and get the ball. an athletic playmaker in a spot we haven’t had one should be pretty nice actually.
Let's go.
yeah watch out mentioning basketball around here
i got raked over the coals awhile back for noticing the same thing about several really talented nfl tight ends
When?
It translates perfectly
Coach Owens has no bones
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
not so much my point
and perfectly? maybe in terms of specific positional characteristics, but what i’m saying is there are sport-to-sport characteristics that can help from one to another
Let's go.
I deleted the thread because seeing it kept pissing me off
I had written a diary sometime back about tight ends, I think it was mostly about D. Keller but I mentioned that several of the premier TEs in the league played basketball only or split time when in college and John & ASmugBoyd blew me up over it
I wasn't ragging on you.
Just the general idea that playing basketball makes you a good tight end. It’s silly, therefore I make fun of it. Naturally, some of the skills of a basketball player translate, it’s just exceeding the realm of cliche.
I pointed out in the thread I thought it had to do with the height and athleticism
and how those athletes that met the ideal physical parameters for nfl TEs were more heavily recruited into basketball, and that it was surprising how many top nfl TEs had bball experience.
It’s correlation not causation. Basketball prowess of course does not translate into football skills.
The cliche part is true
Ever since Antonio Gates. But a lot of things you do as a power forward does translate well to playing b-ball. Especially the body build of a lot of PF
Coach Owens has no bones
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
ugh been drinking to much
this you do as a power forward does translate to playing TE. (rebounding, using your body to create space etc…)
Coach Owens has no bones
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 26, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a lot to give up.
But Carlson doesn’t fall any farther. This pick smacks of Lofa Tatupu. He was Ruskell’s pick, doesn’t please the peanut gallery, but you can understand. We all saw what Pollard was able to do on his withered bones. Calrson is MUCH faster and more athletic than Pollard. A better route runner (entering the league), a very sure hander receiver, and, really, it’s almost impossible to know what he would have done on a better offense. No way a tight end is going to play well on the 116th ranked offense, being double covered every play, with a a bunch of nobodys and rooks passing him the ball.
I agree
It’s not the ideal way to get him, but he wasn’t going to fall to us @ 55, I’m fairly certain the Saints would’ve picked him after the Shockey business fell through. So if Ruskell decided Carlson was the guy he wanted, there was no choice but to trade up.
Yeah, I agree completely.
I’d love to package Morris and a 5th rounder for a 3rd rounder. Not sure if the value is there though.
Just think if we could get an DT, OL, S, or WR in the third it would be ideal.
yea
That wouldn’t be bad, but still, relying on J.Jones seems kind of risky. I almost like the idea of Morris being there, he does know the system, and he’s been solid. I mean, unless we do go for another RB later on.
Let's go.
I like MM on 3rd downs for catching passes, pass pro and that draw play
I don’t think the other couple backs are really specialized in that role
Jones is a much better pass blocker than Morris.
Morris just doesn’t fit what Holmgren wants to do. I doubt he’ll be with the team when the season starts.
Last season kinda shows how little faith they had in Morris
Which, as you documented quite well, is kinda sad, but there it is.
You'll have to forgive my ignorance
but how does Jones perform as a pass catcher in the backfield?
Capable sounds good to me.
Vast improvement over SA’s “completely inept.”
Yeah, I might be over estimating his value
but I think a 3rd rounder would be perfect for what we need this season.
well he obviously prioritized this position somewhat
there are def. areas we could have grabbed a good player in the 3rd round, but if Carlson is more of a sure thing, I’m all for it
Let's go.
Unless another trade comes up, we know where we are picking next.
Who are we targeting in the 4th etc.? Or at least positions?
RB, WR, DT, OL, S
Let's go.
I just noted that in the other thread.
Interesting… hard to justify trading up when no one in the next ~10 picks are likely to take him.
interesting
but I just don’t see how we get him. We could get back into the 2nd…but we’d have to give A LOT up, although securing our future at QB might be worth it.
FREE JEREMY REED!!
Yeah, especially since people like John Beck and Kellen Clemens went in the 2nd round last year.
Gross.
Brohm was a top-10 pick his junior season..
Fuck you Iggles
But yeah, not like Laws was going to fall to the 4th.
Fred Davis to the Skins?
Didn’t really see that coming.
Eagles get Laws and DeSean Jackson
They’ve been reading Field Gulls
Well I have to say this draft for the Seahawks
Has been average so far.
The good news is Laws will be coming to Seattle, the bad news is he is playing for the other team.
See ya Shaun.
.... really? You're grading the draft already? At least wait until after the season.
The snap judgements arent really fair. Our 2005 draft was a C- immediately after, now it’s an A
Is it me
or are the ESPN commentators getting their panties in a bunch?
Yeah, right. If you like watching/listening to cartoon characters.
He’s too busy thinking about all the jaegar bombs hes going to have after the show.
That isn’t a joke, he apparently is a 50 something year old frat boy.
Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves
The Jags are gonna have a scary D next year
I nod and think for the millionth time how glad I am not to play in the AFC
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Apr 26, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a renamed thread from before.
I thought that would be the best way to try to group all the different conversations into one thread.
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