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Acknowledging a struggle

So I'm curious.  For many, many years my sports allegiance ran first and foremost to baseball, and the Seattle Mariners.  I lived and died with baseball, and the thing I wanted more than anything in the sporting world was a World Series victory.

I've by no means given up on the Mariners as a franchise, I love baseball, and I'll never stop pulling for them.  But over the last few years, watching a shrewd and resourceful front office like the Seahawks possess artfully construct a competitive team, I've really come to love and watch football with a much greater passion than I ever thought possible.

This isn't all about winning and making the playoffs, though I'll readily admit that that plays a part.  But I'm so tired of the horrid steps and jumps backwards that the evil and charismatic Mr. Bavasi makes as a matter of course.  With this Mariner season already likely on the skids, I find myself still watching and following the team, but already shifting a little interest over to football.  I'm anticipating the 'Hawks so early this year....

I guess I'm just slowly shifting priorities.  I'll never abandon either franchise, I'm not saying that at all.  I'm just looking forward to the Seahawks so much more than the Mariners that it isn't really even a competition anymore.  Is anybody else going through this transformation?   Obviously we're all Seahawks fans (seattlesucks notwithstanding!), but I'm curious how passionately people follow one sport or the other, and how that might be different than 5 years ago.  Do we have any other converts from die-hard baseball fans to revelers of the fusball?

Damn, I just can't wait to watch our defense this year....

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Hey folks. I'm experiencing the ol' "flu like symptoms"...

after some immoderate drinking last night. So I’m taking today off. As a fan of the Mariners since I was a single-digit rapscallion in the great deciduous forests of New England, I’ve experienced a similar shifting of priorities these past few seasons. I thought this might make a more constructive kind of venting than the semi-intelligible ranting that, ahem, some of us have resorted to after, basically, witnessing the Mariners suck a baseball through a garden hose.

by John Morgan on May 11, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

get better, my friend

oh those portland evenings….

by jimmimoose on May 11, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're telling me.

Note to self: when your friend’s barbecue fizzles, don’t attempt a party of one. Oof.

by John Morgan on May 11, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we had a goodly bbq of our own last night

but i managed to keep myself under control, for the most part. might i suggest a nap in front of the mariners? always does me well.

by jimmimoose on May 11, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bavasi

though a thoroughly nice guy, is a lousy GM. However, Bavasi isn’t the biggest problem.

You want the Mariners to succeed, Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong need to be removed from the front office. That, unfortunately, will never happen. You’re stuck with this FO scheme until they either retire or die.

by BrianL on May 11, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And well I know it

because as awful as they are at recognizing FO talent, they’re good at making money. and that mean they’re not going anywhere, ever.

and the mariners aren’t either. it’s going to be many, many years before this mentality manages to lead towards another playoff berth, much less a WS victory. and while i’ll never stop pulling for them, i just can’t drum up the same passion for people i respect a great deal less than ruskell and co.

by jimmimoose on May 11, 2008 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a football blog

He can endorse any team he wants.

by Robert on May 11, 2008 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, really? Ok, thanks didn't realize that.

I was being super serious too, so make sure you keep me in line, I would hate to try and dictate who he endorses. /sarcasm

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh god you're here too?

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 11, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I do live in Seattle

So i tend to be “here” on most of the Seattle-area professional sports blogs.

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sucks

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 12, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to exclude your WP blog.

I’ll comment there too. Since I know that is what you intended. Haha.

I didn’t realize Lopez had 3 BBs on the year. Gross.

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that is unfortunately true. Armstrong and Lincoln know how to make money

but do not know how to win.

It was really telling when I went to one of their lectures a few years ago and they kept talking about how they wanted to be “competitive”, but made no mention of trying for the world series like some presidents like to talk about. Ugh

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariners were my first love..

Growing up in Seattle I became a Mariners fan just as Griffey and The Big Unit were becoming staples of the team, and the front office began making moves that would result in the 10 year (1993-2003) run of success for the franchise.

I really began becoming a big Seahawks fan after they drafted Galloway. There was no real shift from one to the other based on the FO or any sort of success. I love each team, but I have to say I enjoy football season much more than baseball season for the winning, but…baseball is baseball. Always going to love it no matter how many times we mortgage the future for unrealistic expectations of the present. (i think I will at least…)

by ASUBoyd on May 11, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Convert

I experienced a similar conversion. I remember watching every game I reasonably could during the 2001 season because I could tell something special was happening. It’s been downhill ever since. I’ve had that feeling about the Seahawks since 2004. Sure, 2004 didn’t materialize, but you could tell something was in the works.

We’re in a golden age of Seahawks football right now. I have some concern it may end when Holmgren leaves, but so long as Ruskell is around I feel like there’s always the potential for the hawks to be good.

by srainier on May 11, 2008 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Really for me

as long as Paul Allen owns the Seahawks, I have hope.

by BrianL on May 11, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

it’s interesting to notice the balance point between having an involved and thoughful owner (allen), a hyper-controlling owner (jones or davis), or someone completely out of touch (yamaguchi and the borg collective that own the m’s).

if the mora era doesn’t prove fruitful in seattle, i think allen will make the necessary changes. it’s a good feeling to have.

by jimmimoose on May 11, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love that feeling

knowing that if something doesn’t work out, we can rest easy knowing that the ‘Hawks FO will set things right.

by BrianL on May 11, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually to be honest

i’m experiencing quite the opposite at the moment.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 11, 2008 2:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I grew up a huge Sonics fan

and just basketball in genereal, but that waned, and around 2000 I got into football more and more. The Sonics still hold a special place in my heart, but I’m far more interested and passionate about football now.

by Nate Dogg on May 11, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

M's fan first

Seahawks second. It sucks, but I can’t help it. single tear

by Majic on May 11, 2008 7:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, same here

with the Sonics right in there. The sad thing is, I feel more hopeful about the Sonics’ future (thanks in equal measure to Presti and the SOS gang) than I do about the M’s . . .

by The Ancient Mariner on May 11, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I feel least hopeful

about the Sonics future, with them being moved across the country in a year and all.

by redwolf75 on May 11, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is

that I think the odds are better that we have a contending NBA team in 2010 than that we have a contending MLB team. Take that however you will.

by The Ancient Mariner on May 12, 2008 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably.

Unfortunately they will be in Oklahoma City. :(

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, seriously

I think the odds are better that there is a contending NBA team in Seattle in 2010 than that the M’s are contending again by then. (Honestly, I think SOS and the city have the league pretty well over a barrel at this point; the Sonics as such may well move, but if they do, I think we’ll get another team.)

by The Ancient Mariner on May 12, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Its like if your first born son is developmentally retarded, you can’t help but love him most. That and the Mariners appeal to my intellectual side, while the Hawks are all about unbridled emotion release.

by Robert on May 11, 2008 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Duke fan, then Hawks, then Sonics...

though my favorite player in any sport is Griffey. Say what you want about Manny or A-rod’s swing, but there is nothing I love seeing more than a Junior belting a ball over the fences…

by SeaTownBlueDevil on May 11, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Junior's

game might not be so hot, but he still has the prettiest swing

by SeaTownBlueDevil on May 11, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The swing isn't anywhere near as good as it once was.

He’s barely over .700 OPS. That’s bad when you’re in the NL and hitting in a bandbox. At best he’s a league average DH. Put him in the outfield and you’ve got a player who could easily be 10-20 runs below league average.

by BrianL on May 11, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Griffey's bat isn't the problem, you're misinterpreting what Jeff said.

Griffey playing the field consistently cancels out his bat making him currently the worst player in baseball. However as a DH he’d still be valuable because he’s had slow starts the last few years and rounded into form to become a plus bat.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on May 12, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Churchill wrote about Griffey..

“Griffey is at least better defensively than Ibanez is.

What USSM and LL probably don’t see yet is that Griffey is at a disadvantage when it comes to all the sabr stats for defense.

Without formulating it in (it’s totally unintentional) the stats skew to players that play in bigger ballparks.

He’s got more room to cover and gets to this % of balls hit out there, so he must be better…

Ridiculous.”

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I worry about this argument

because it’s the same one everyone used with Richie Sexson last season. Slow starter, heats up later in the season.

However I concede your point and promise that I shall no longer post while hopped up on vicodin.

by BrianL on May 12, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is totally false.

You read up on what scouts say about Jr now and they all consider him to be a better corner outfielder than Raul Ibanez.

And while that is not saying much, he is certainly servicable.

Also saying he is “hitting in a bandbox” is not really looking into his production. The man hits nearly as well on the road as he does at home. Past 3 years home OPS = .900 away OPS = .855 .. the SLUG is about the same with .520 at home and .515 on the road.

Any team still has a place for a player like Jr.

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Seahawks used to be the thing I paid attention to to keep my mind off baseball.

I’ve always been a fan, but much more casually. The more I became obsessed with the analytical side of baseball and the amount of time and energy I devoted to following sports increased, the more engrossed I became in the Seahawks. Part of that is timing, but part of is realizing that I have something else to obsess about.

That said, the Mariners are my first love and I can’t envision a time when the Seahawks overtake them. I’ll still go absolutely insane watching them, of course.

Also, is that a Sleater-Kinney reference on the sidebar?

-aaron c.

by acblue on May 11, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more

I am 22 years old and I grew up being a Mariners fan. The magic season and “refuse to lose” are etched in my mind. I didn’t really even care about football. But in 2005, after watching the Seahawks beat the Rams in game 5 making our record 3-2. I turned to my brother and said, “The Seahawks are going to the Superbowl this year.” Since then, I have never missed a game.

This is the first time I have ever followed the football off-season, and I have to say, I am sooo excited for football season.

by acecoop on May 12, 2008 6:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"We’re in a golden age of Seahawks football right now." - srainier

“Golden Age – SuperBowl Window – Best in the NFC West” – What garbage. Not unlike being the best Olympian, unfortunately it’s the "Special" Olympics. To mangle a metaphor: to be the best of garbage is still garbage. Never able to win an away playoff game after so many years by this SB "contender" says it all. If the Hawks were in the NFC East they would likely be rated the 5th best team in the division. Is there an East Coast Media Bias? Yes, it’s because they’re better in the east – whether Boston (Sox, Celts, Pats) or Pittsburgh (Steelers, Pens).

by bigmaq on May 12, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, ok. Even though against the NFC East in the past three years we have gone a combined..

8-1, including playoffs. One loss was in OT..

So, yeah, despite any sort of fact to your claim, you still think that? /eye roll.

That is fine, considering we play the NFC East this year.

by ASUBoyd on May 12, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, he's a Steelers fan.

He’s just here to troll.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on May 12, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fail.

get TF outta here.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 12, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

where did you copy and paste this post from?

His complaint in Morgan’s ‘08 draft review was almost exactly copied and pasted from Frank Hughes’ blog. I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to other Seahawk fan sites and posted it too.

Link

Bigmaq clearly doesn’t have anything interesting to say, just let him be.

by Will Kier on May 12, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The title of this post should be "Acknowledging a Muggle"

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phildopip on May 12, 2008 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not some Weasley

How dare you?

(Wow, did the jokes and embedded references on this site just get an extra level of dorky? We can’t be that far short of critical dorkage at this point….)

by jimmimoose on May 12, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah.

Now if he said “Acknowledging a Moogle”...

by John Morgan on May 12, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always thought it was sort of weak..

but then, I was a huge fan of FFIV. The characters in that game were pretty deep. VI felt, for some reason, to be overdone. Too many characters without any great focus on them. I mean..when “Shadow” is the guy with the most back-story to discover throughout the game, and he’s an optional character, I guess I just didn’t get the vibe.

by misterjonez on May 12, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys make me happy

more FF references from now on. i through XII, i don’t care.

by jimmimoose on May 12, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of my own personal preferences

I’ve still managed to play through each of the games I-XII multiple times…except for VII. Dunno why that was, I really don’t remember being that upset about the overall quality of the game. It was a step down from VII, to be sure, but it had a sort of calm feel to it. Less impending doom..which was nice for a change, but worked so perfectly in VII.

Yeah, I probably just tipped the dorkometer past the point of no return. Sorry ‘bout that one, guys. Mah bad.

by misterjonez on May 13, 2008 7:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Screwed up and didn't attach this to the subthread.

Oh well. Haven’t used the format too much yet.

by misterjonez on May 13, 2008 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never any question, always been a Hawks fan first and foremost. Started watching them as baby (born in ‘75, the Hawks were started in ‘76) so my pops brainwashed me from a young age. Moved to AZ a few years ago for work, but my love of the team has gotten stronger. I still lived in WA during the M’s magical run but nothing was as amazing to me as a fan of Seattle sports as the year 2005 and a Seahawks SB appearance. Love the M’s but just don’t have the same passion like I do for the Seahawks. For that matter any other team in any sport will never rival that!

by AZ Hawk on May 13, 2008 9:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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