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Holmgren and Personal Fouls

I think it's fairly well known that the Seahawks under Mike Holmgren have been a disciplined team as far as accruing penalty flags. But Mike Sando did something interesting in his NFC West blog on ESPN, his researchers went back to 2001 and collected Personal Foul records to answer the question: who is the dirtiest team? The results are a little surprising:

1 Tampa Bay 127
2 Arizona 124
3 Detroit 124
4 Tennessee 119
5 NY Giants 119
6 Washington 117
7 New England 116
8 Atlanta 113
9 Chicago 112
10 Miami 110
11 Oakland 109
12 New Orleans 108
13 Baltimore 108
14 Carolina 107
15 Philadelphia 105
16 Cincinnati 104
17 Green Bay 101
18 Buffalo 99
19 Denver 95
20 Cleveland 95
21 Jacksonville 93
22 San Francisco 93
23 Dallas 93
24 San Diego 92
25 Kansas City 89
26 NY Jets 87
27 Pittsburgh 86
28 St. Louis 86
29 Minnesota 85
30 Indianapolis 77
31 Houston 71
32 Seattle 57

Link to Sandoblog
Holy crap. And keep in mind that the Texans didn't even start play until 2002! Holmgren sometimes turned a blind eye when drafting to off-field events (coughStevenscough) but it seems he knew what he was looking for in on-field discipline. I hope Mora can continue this strong trend.

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Trip to Tampa

I really can’t wait to see us go down to TB and wallop those dirty bastages in front of a huge Sunday night NBC audience.

by DKSB on Jul 11, 2008 9:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

This is only personal fouls, like unsportsmanlike conduct for celebation, late hits, unnecessary roughness, stuff like that?

by cashless on Jul 11, 2008 9:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Holmgren's legacy

I think the lack of penalties, and in particular the lack of personal fouls, speaks very highly of Mike Holmgren. It goes hand-in-hand with the relative lack of inter-player disputes, etc. under Holmgren’s regime. He just runs a damn tight ship. This has benefits with regard to results on the field. It also does good things for fan support, especially in a place like the Northwest, where we like things to be orderly and people to be nice (except when they’re sacking Alex Smith).

It should be noted that what Holmgren has been able to accomplish in terms of management of this organization (I know he doesn’t have total control) is exceptional. Unfortunately, I believe we will be reminded of this under Coach Mora. The circumstances surrounding Mora’s departure from Atlanta indicate a certain lack of thought, or lack of care. It is impossible to imagine Holmgren making a similar blunder.

I’m sure Mora will bring some things to the table (youth, perhaps a bit more penchant for risk-taking) than Holmgren. But I bet we miss the Walrus’s ability to keep things on track with the Hawks organization.

by jeager on Jul 18, 2008 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we'll miss that, but...

I think we’ll really miss his eye for offensive talent. The Holmgren/Ruskell partnership is complimentary. The Ruskell/Mora partnership will be one-sided. The next offensive coordinator is the key signing of the 2009 offseason.

by John Morgan on Jul 18, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Gil Haskell

not expected to return?

by Nate Dogg on Jul 21, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haskell has always seemed like the forgotten man

what does he bring to the team? Holmgren pretty much does Gil’s job, what does he need an offensive coordinator for?

by Nate Dogg on Jul 22, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Ruskell and Paul Allen will offer a job to Holmgren, if he wants it

the proverbial “special consultant” role, but I assume he won’t take it as not to overshadow Mora. too bad, since i think he’ll probably get back into football at some point. if SF comes calling with the GM job it will be hard for him to turn down.

by lemonverbena on Jul 21, 2008 9:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

even better

Does Hasselbeck’s PF for “tackling the ball carrier” or whatever from the Super Bowl count? What about when Stevens was flagged for getting kicked in the nuts?

Could this be a function of our pass rush? It seems like most personal fouls these days are late hits on the QB/Looking at the QB funny/Birthday card to QB’s 5-year old daughter wasn’t good enough variety. Are the Seahawks systematically avoiding these penalties? We’re more of a “speed rush” team, perhaps when we get guys to the quarterback, it’s more likely that the QB will still have the ball and we won’t get a late hit flag…

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Jul 21, 2008 4:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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