Engram hurt, Tubbs cut

by Strang on Aug 11, 2008 12:02 PM PDT

Apparently Engram cracked a bone in his shoulder, he's out 6-8 weeks (which would be, what, between the first Rams game and the Giants game?). Danny O'Neil's blog post has more on it.

Optimistically, I guess this gives the youngins more of a shot to step up in the preseason. Better to have this now than right before Week 1...

He also posts on Tubbs -- apparently he failed a physical. His knee swelled up after some running.

Edit by John Morgan: There isn't much to add other than that Engram's injury was predictable. Not so much the specific type of injury but that Engram would suffer some kind of injury and miss significant time this season. I said it about 20 times in the offseason, and it wasn't a matter of prescience, just a sound examination of Engram's history, age, and style. 134 targets over the middle would punish Colossus. To my mind, this doesn't significantly affect Seattle's season. Engram was always underrated by most and overrated by some, and though I don't see one of Seattle's current receiving corps duplicating Engram's reliability, precision and toughness, I do think they can capably assume his slot duties and maybe add some speed and run after the catch.

Unfortunately, with Tubbs due just $830,000 this season, cutting him is probably purely because he's too far gone. I held out hope on Tubbs, thought he could recover from a procedure that's been demystified a bit in the past few years, but it sounds like no procedure will be enough to grant his knees the God given resilience to play in the NFL. Good luck Marcus.

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Well that's a problem...

by BrianL on Aug 11, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions

.....fuck!

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Aug 11, 2008 12:05 PM PDT reply actions

So the chances are high we'll be looking for a WR in the next few weeks?

by BrianL on Aug 11, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions

So the list from a poster at SI:

Eric Moulds
David Givens
Keenan McCardell
Eric Parker
Doug Gabriel
Peerless Price
Terry Glenn

Yuck.

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by Christian on Aug 11, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions

Shoot me now.

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Also, I'm always down for some online Grand Theft Auto IV or Rock Band. Gamertag: Phildopip

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 11, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Trade for Boldin!

Madden tomorrow.

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by Christian on Aug 11, 2008 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions

Meh. I haven't liked a Madden game in a while.

I tried both ‘06 and ‘08, and I didn’t enjoy them at all.

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 11, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Madden Sucks

realize this

Coach Owens = No Fun Zone

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions

It gives me something to play for a month before TNA;Impact, Facebreaker, and Left 4 Dead.

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by Christian on Aug 11, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions

DUUUUUUUDE!

Left 4 Dead is going to kick SO MUCH ASS!

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 11, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions

4 player Online coop FTW!!!!

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Hell. Yes.

I am so there.

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 11, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions

Me too.

Finally we’ll be able to all play together.

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Aug 16, 2008 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions

Madden is still entertaining

don’t be so counter culture.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 11, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Its was great in 05

when I could play 4 player coop on the same xbox.

Coach Owens = No Fun Zone

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions

Uh, Scruffy?

You can do that in both Madden ‘08 and Madden ’09. And Madden ’06. Madden ’07 is the only recent game where you couldn’t play 4 player co-op.

"Hole in one, eh?"

by Coach Owens on Aug 16, 2008 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions

Coach Owens = co-op fun zone.

Someone play me in Madden 09. XBOX live gamertag: BANE509

by Christian on Aug 16, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions

With the way Howard Green and Craig Terrell are playing (against a second or third team) I’m not too worried about the defensive tackles behind Mebane, Rocky Benard, and Red Bryant (when he gets back), but a healthy Tubbs could’ve been awesome.

But with Engram out, that means we’ll have a three receiver set of Burleson, Obomanu, and Taylor (or something like that). That is a little scary. I guess that means that with Branch out until week four, we’ve also got Logan Payne and Jordan Kent in the mix. I hope we don’t have to count on too many of those guys for too long.

And if that’s the available list, I think we should hope what we have is ok.

by PascoJoe on Aug 11, 2008 12:15 PM PDT reply actions

I'm thinking that O'Neil meant to say Engram would be out until week 4

That’d be consistent with the recovery timeline—plus in the next paragraph, he mentions that “[t]he Seahawks already are practicing without wide receiver Deion Branch” as if it was the first mention of Deion.

by Strang on Aug 11, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions

The Engram injury was right predictable.

And it’s sad to see Tubbs go. It’s remotely possible that the team resigns him for something cheaper and then puts him on the PUP list.

by John Morgan on Aug 11, 2008 12:41 PM PDT reply actions

Yep

The football gods hate us.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM PDT reply actions

Damn you John

Well this sucks at least its not going to be a lingering problem. Hopefully Burly has really made strides.

Coach Owens = No Fun Zone

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 1:31 PM PDT reply actions

I seem to remember another time everybody was worried about

Our Lack of healthy WR’s – 2005 – what happened?? We had other guys step in and step up – While this certainly has me a bit worried, I’m looking forward to this giving the young guys the one thing that most of them them are knocked for not having…..Regular Season Game Experience.

It is also worth noting, that if this was going to happen, it probably couldn’t happen in a better 6-8 week window. 3 more weeks of preseason, then games against the Bills, 49ers and Rams and then the Bye week.

by Chrome_CW on Aug 11, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions

Ruskell strikes again

good thing we didn’t give him that extension he wanted.

Sad to see Tubbs go.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 11, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply actions

Who's left from '05?

Hasselbeck, Walt, Lock, Engram, Trufant, and DD? That can’t be all of them can it? I know it’s sentimental B.S., but thats really sad.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 11, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Lofa! I'm retarded....

and will stop replying to myself now.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 11, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions

Hill

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Mo Mo

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Spencer

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Craig Terril and Rocky

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Babs and Seneca

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by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 11, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions

bored?

against Vegas reliever Casey Hoorelbeke, whose ancestors clearly couldn't spell Hurlbeck properly.

by Christian on Aug 11, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Off-topic question:

Does anybody know if Julian Peterson’s number change to #98 is a permanent one? It just so happens that I love linebackers that have numbers in the 90s, but it also happens that I own a #59 Julian Peterson jersey…and now it might be outdated.

Can anybody clear this up?

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 11, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions

Permanent.

$$$

Or you could just be old school.

by John Morgan on Aug 11, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Straight $$$ homie

He’s starting a case to be franchised as an end when his contract comes up. He can do it all, you know.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 11, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm cool with my jersey being "retro".

98 sure looks sharp on ol’ Muscly Arms.

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 11, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Even more old-school

I want a #44 Peterson jersey – taking the old school to the max.

by UW Alex on Aug 11, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions

I loved when he wore that his first preseason here.

Then the stupid NFL made him change his number.

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Aug 11, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Frank Hughes made an interesting comment about roster spots

he thinks this will cost Forsett or Hawthorne a spot on the team since Engram is dead weight for the first few weeks. That would be really dissappointing.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 11, 2008 6:38 PM PDT reply actions

Makes sense

Now we pretty much need 6 receivers, and if we go with 11 total receivers and backs as is tradition, that means that Forsett or Schmitt don’t get a roster spot.

WR: Burly, Engram, Obomanu, Taylor, Payne, and Kent
RB: Jones, Morris, Weaver, Duckett, Forsett, Schmitt

Branch doesn’t count since he is on PUP. Which one of these 11 doesn’t get a roster spot? And who will get cut when Branch gets activated? Or do we cut someone else and keep all 12?

by UW Alex on Aug 11, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions

That's exactly the point I was going to bring up

Wish it weren’t true but I don’t see how Forsett makes the 53-man now… and if he continues to excel in the preseason it’s going to be hard to hide him on the practice squad. Also, I’m not so sure they will want Branch on the PUP list when the season starts. If I remember correctly, it you start the season on the PUP you have to wait until Week 6 to be activated.

Payne may have a breath of life now with Engram hurt, but I still think he and Forsett are the odd men out.

Not too worried about Hawthorne though. Herring looks like he’s headed for IR.

by lemonverbena on Aug 11, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions