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Forsett: Making his Case

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Counselor, proceed with your opening arguments.

In his last game vs the Bears, Justin rushed for 136 yards on 15 carries averaging 9.1 yards per carry.  Oh yeah, he also had 125 yards in the return game. 

He finished with 261 total yards, which is 55 more than the entire Bears offense. No bullshit.  By the 4th quarter the crowd was so impressed they gave him an ovation every time he left the field...

I'd take that as a good sign.

Game video below:

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Bailiff please present Exhibits A and B:

Justin Forsett vs Bears Preseason

 

Justin Forsett vs Vikings Preseason


Your honor, I call my first witness from the News Tribune:

It’s a No-Brainer: Seahawks should Keep Forsett

First off, Justin Forsett has to make this football team. NFL observers preach that you can’t make too much out of performances in preseason games.

I don’t care, the rookie running back/returner once again was the most exciting Seahawks player on the field Saturday night.

This wasn’t just a nice effort against a bunch of backups. This was memorable.

Yes, they have some numbers issues at running back, but if nothing else, this rookie has proven himself a potential game-changer as a return man. And as a change-of-pace back from scrimmage? How’s 15 carries for 136 yards? He finished with 261 total yards – 55 more than the Bears gained the entire game.

Don’t let his size fool you. This guy runs tough; he’s strong, he’ll block … and, man, he’s fun to watch.

Make the numbers work; keep this guy. And give raises to the personnel folks who had the sense to pick him up in the seventh round.

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Justin lost a shoe, but found a touchdown.

 

Your honor, I call my second witness from the Washington Olympian:

Frye Struggles, but Forsett Makes Pitch to Stick Around

If Holmgren decides not to make Justin Forsett a part of his 53-man roster, he may be viewed as downright kooky.

As poorly as Frye played in the Seahawks’ 29-26 overtime exhibition victory over the Chicago Bears on Saturday night at Qwest Field, that is how well Forsett, a seventh-round draft choice from California, performed in a role as both running back and return man.

Forsett had 53 of his game-high 136 rushing yards on the final drive of the game, which ended with rookie Brandon Coutu’s 36-yard field goal, his fifth of the game.

With Chicago’s Devin Hester, the game’s premier returner, looking on, Forsett pieced together another 117 yards returning punts and kickoffs, including a 40-yard punt return. He also had a 43-yard punt return called back because of a holding penalty on fellow rookie John Carlson.

“The little guy can play, I’ve said that from the very beginning,” Holmgren said.

Forsett is in an interesting position because he is a running back on a team that seemingly already has its full contingent, with Julius Jones, Maurice Morris, Owen Schmitt, Leonard Weaver and T.J. Duckett.

But coaches usually say that if a player makes enough plays they will find a spot for him.

There is some thought that Forsett may be a better choice than Duckett, who has not shown a great deal either in training camp or either of two preseason games. Duckett had two fumbles last week and dropped what would have been a touchdown reception on Saturday, though he did score the game-tying touchdown from 1 yard out after his first attempt failed.

But Duckett was given $4 million in guaranteed money in free agency and cutting him now would be admitting a huge mistake.

The numbers make it even more difficult for Forsett because serious injuries to Bobby Engram and Deion Branch mean there are one and possibly two dead spots on a roster where Holmgren usually likes to keep 25 offensive players. Holmgren was noncommittal when asked after the game about Forsett’s chances.

“That will be a tough decision at the end,” Holmgren said. “I like the player and his teammates like him and he produces, but it is a couple of games and we have a ways to go here.”

Still, if Forsett continues to make plays like the numerous ones he made against Chicago, it would seem very difficult for Seattle to keep him off the team. He led the team in rushing with a 9.1-yard average on 15 carries in the second half, plus added a reception. On one kickoff return when Michael Bumpus caught the ball, Forsett even took on 260-pound Adewale Ogunleye.

“It was great out there,” Forsett said. “I was getting kind of fatigued but I knew everyone was counting on me. You never know when it is going to be your last time to get that ball, so you have to make the most of that opportunity.”

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Former Beaver Joey LaRocque says, " WTF?? Not this guy again!"

 


Your honor, I cite the case Justin vs the World...

REPOST: Justin's College Highlights

Sorry for the repost... but the reason I repost is because:

1) My stats say that only 14 of you actually watched these.

2) So you can compare how he looked in his college days versus how he looks in the pros.  Bottom line... business as usual.

Justin Forsett Highlights Part 1 - 2005-2006 : (volume warning at 0:20)

 

Justin Forsett Highlights Part 2 - 2007 : .


Justin Forsett Highlights Part 3 - 2007 : (Starts from USC)

 

Your honor, I rest my case.

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Great fanpost, wow.

I’ve been reading this morning that Forsett is still a long-shot to make the team.

I live in georegia but i dont see rusia no where not even sound but they says theres tanks should i be worrie-Yahoo Answers

by Phildopip on Aug 18, 2008 8:56 AM PDT   0 recs

I seriously don’t know if Holmgren is being political as to not offending anyone… or if he really is going to release Forsett… Is he seriously considering it?

The question was posed to coach Mike Holmgren about whether Forsett has a chance to make the final 53-man roster. Holmgren answered as honestly as he can after just two preseason games.

“That will be a tough call at the end,” Holmgren said. "He will be involved in that decision at the end, absolutely.

“Right now, if I said anything about the roster, it would be premature. I like (Forsett), and his teammates like him, and he produces. But it was a couple of games, and we have a ways to go here.”

by danzig on Aug 18, 2008 9:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh, not relase him.

He’d be put on the practice squad.

by redwolf75 on Aug 19, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

do you believe he wouldn't get picked up off of waivers?

I wish we could stash him on the practice squad but teams like chicago who have no feature back would be standing in line with a much larger contract than we have him currently signed to. Did you see Matt Forte? He is supposedly going to be Chicago’s starter on opening day and he looked like a lost child compared to JF. That is just one team. I could probably come up with at least a dozen more who would at least sign him as a 2nd or 3rd stringer. Even if JF doesn’t gain another single yard in the pre-season he has earned a spot on a roster. I just hope it’s ours. Seriously stop entertaining thoughts that he will be with the team if we cut him from the 53.

Running backs have a short shelf life and him wasting away on the practice squad for a year would be a horrible career decision. I do hope we keep him but if we decide not to I only hope we don’t have to face him twice a year. Rookie running backs are very strange. The projections can be very wrong as there are few can’t miss prospects in the draft. Look at the top running backs in the league and look at where they were drafted. While JF may be the lowest break out rookie from that low in the draft there have been others who were also overlooked. Shanahan has made a living out of doing this and usually once you see them in games that matter it is clear whether they have it or not. In other words you don’t develop NFL running backs. They are or they aren’t and there isn’t much you can do to change that.

by finster112 on Aug 19, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, Alex Gibbs made a living out of doing that

with his zone-blocking scheme; Shanahan’s contribution (which was no small thing) was identifying and drafting the RBs with whom Gibbs could do so. I hadn’t really thought about it in this way, but if we’re going to be moving to a zone-blocking scheme, which it sounds like we are, that really explains Forsett, because his style is the right fit for that sort of scheme. In most systems he might not have all that great a career, but he’s the sort of guy, 5-10 years ago, that the Broncos would have taken in the sixth and turned into a 1500-yard rusher (as they did with Terrell Davis).

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 20, 2008 8:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This discussion is beyond my level of expertise, but I’d like to interject that all of Justin’s accolades during college were under a two-back power running scheme.

Cal does very little zone-run-schemes, if at all. In fact when they do run zone it would be a counter-action for Justin… the zone would go right while Justin would go naked left… which would get Justin one-on-one vs a LB in space… a matchup Justin won easily.

My highlight tape doesn’t show most of his A-gap/full-back type runs because he’s trying to pick up short yardage and they’re just not as exciting to watch, but rest assured there was alot of them.

I agree with you that Justin will work well in a zone scheme with some athletic OLmen (giving him more wiggle room), but it would be a luxury that Justin never got during his entire college career.

by danzig on Aug 20, 2008 8:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying he's ever done it

but then, neither had any of Denver’s rookie RBs; I’m just saying that if Ruskell plans to move us to a zone-blocking running game (which sounds, on first consideration, like a good idea to me, if it doesn’t require screwing up our passing game), it makes sense to me that he would look at Justin Forsett as someone well-suited to that sort of offense.

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 20, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don’t worry, I understood you. I’m talking about how other teams won’t discount Justin’s performance at Seattle thinking he was successful only because he had some zone run schemes (which indeed help smaller scat-type backs). It appears it doesn’t matter what scheme he runs with… or runs against.

Last year the two toughest defenses in the Pac10 were OregonSt (ranked #1 rush-def in NCAA) and USC (ranked #4 rush-def in NCAA). Justin was the only RB in the country to rush for over 150yards in each of those games.

I can’t find any pattern to it… schemes… home vs away… he just takes what he’s given and just runs the hell out of it.

by danzig on Aug 20, 2008 9:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dynamite in small package

I think the hawks have to keep this guy. Game changers like this don’t come along everyday. As much as it would suck take the 4 million hit to salary and let Duckett go. Weaver or Schmitt can do the short yardage drill. I would even think about releasing Mo Morrison to keep mighty mouse.

by Phantom Blazer on Aug 18, 2008 11:08 AM PDT   0 recs

I would personally let Mo go… as bad as that sounds.

Plus I think the coaches need to think about position rankings objectively… meaning would we really be regarding Duckett so highly if it weren’t for his guaranteed $4M??? What if he was an undrafted FA… or a veteran that was released by another team….what would we think of Duckett then? Think about it.

I know everyone will say… “well look at this numbers… his career.. that counts for something”… well in that case I can make good arguments about a thousand different players… Coaches make assessments based on what they see in camp and in practice and cohesion with the OL… I’ve seen it over and over… they don’t give a shit about entitlement…

If entitlement was not an issue with Duckett, what would the coaches think about him… really?

by danzig on Aug 18, 2008 12:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes because he’s valuable in a trade… Justin is not valuable in a trade and Duckett would skip town with $4m of the team’s money without actually contributing anything yet. I know it sound bad, but if Forsett truly turns into a viable option, then it’s a strategic play. IMHO.

by danzig on Aug 19, 2008 10:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But wait.....

Mo MORRISON?

Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.

by Chickadee on Aug 20, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think what he meant was maurice morris. That’s who I was talking about… wait, is there someone named Mo Morrison on this team?

by danzig on Aug 20, 2008 6:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you’re welcome… do you work at vimeo or something?

by danzig on Aug 18, 2008 11:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope

But I’m a video editor and I love the fact they support HD footage. Because watching something like this on youtube is just way to freaking hard to see whats going on.

Coach Owens = No Fun Zone

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2008 11:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally agree… MadGame.com has the best encoder but has massive amounts of bugs. Youtube as everyone knows is awful. I use Viddler as a backup because it never breaks down and has no limits… and Vimeo is the best mix quality and interface…. though I hate their 500mb weekly upload limit…

by danzig on Aug 18, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For this post

You, sir, win an internet.

Srsly. Thank you so much for the highlight reel of last week against the bears. I vote best run at 5:52.

And a well outlined bit you have here. Again. Thankyou danzig. And kudos on vimeo.

Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.

by Chickadee on Aug 18, 2008 11:30 AM PDT   0 recs

I’m going to post the full team highlights of the bears game once I get it encoded…. Hill and Kent played awesome as well.

by danzig on Aug 18, 2008 11:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

are you capturing to your DVR?

and if so how are you getting into your computer? My comcast box hates me I think.

Coach Owens = No Fun Zone

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mostly through my capture card and recording uncompressed. However, this game I got through torrents. For those games I use Hypercam2 using Divx6.0pro codec to record clips as I’m watching the game on my computer… then I throw it into Premiere.

A free alternative is explained well in this help doc…
http://www.4shared.com/file/59525128/ac7e7ba4/HOWTO_Record_Games_in_HD_110.html

by danzig on Aug 18, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sweet

Thx dude

Coach Owens = No Fun Zone

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 18, 2008 12:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Aug 18, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

gee… I’ll try not to spend it all at once.

However I’d trade it all if only Forsett would be named the #2 back behind Jones. Now that would make my day.

by danzig on Aug 18, 2008 12:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Holy shit man.

EXCELLENT post.

by redwolf75 on Aug 18, 2008 7:31 PM PDT   0 recs

My God...

He is Emitt Smith…

by kidder95 on Aug 18, 2008 9:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks for the highlights

One thing that is mentioned too often by experts I believe is that because of his size forsett lacks durability. I may be wrong about this but I never remember him getting hurt once during his record breaking career. Many larger running backs who have carried similar loads have had many injuries over that long a period of time whereas forsett has had not one which I can remember. I understand there is a huge difference between college and pro ball. In the end though while you may get hit harder in the pros how much harder do you really get hit? Look at adrian peterson. A great player but he gets injured constantly even though he is the prototype size back.

Some people avoid injury and others don’t. I think sometimes there isn’t exactly a reason for someone being resilient to major injury and others not besides genetics. There is another part to his game that many people ignore. I remember he was used as the goal line back in place of marshawn lynch who was a much larger back many times during his sophomore and junior years. He was also used in short yardage situations in place of lynch. I’m not trying to advocate his use as a short yardage back in the NFL but I also don’t think you can dismiss the idea of using him in that role in certain situations. Talk about messing with the defense….bringing in the smallest guy on the team in a 3rd and 1. You have to be thinking pass right?

Thanks for the great post I have seen all of those highlights twice now. If you have a chance maybe you could put together a “tough yards” segment showing his goal line runs and short yardage runs. I would do so but I don’t have the hard drive space to download all of the cal games. Oh and GO BEARS!! and to a lesser extent huskies.

by finster112 on Aug 19, 2008 2:10 PM PDT   0 recs

For some reason people incorrectly associate durability with weight/height. In reality, as most orto-surgeons and kinesiology professionals will tell you weight is not correlated with durability and could, in fact, be negatively correlated with durability.

If you ask most ortho-surgeons they’ll tell you the single most important factor in joint durability is genetics…. that’s right, you’re born with it.

So how do you evaluate durability?… Medical history… plain and simple.

When Justin became the starter in 2007 everyone was worried about his durability… can he take a full load of carries? Will he get hurt?

Well, he set the school record for single season carries (305) while on his way to rushing for 1,546 yrds, 15TDs, All-Pac10 honors and team MVP. Cal is a two back system that is extremely pass-happy, but after Justin showed his durability (not missing any games) and even playing injured the coaches knew they could run him constantly.

In fact, Cal’s two-back system turned into a one-back system when Justin played… since our pass game was faltering, the coaches just decided to keep giving it to Justin.

by danzig on Aug 19, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for backing me up

I have been a Cal Football fan since I was a 10 year old watching russell white run all over U$C in person. Watching forsett through his college career and then seeing people all over the net talk about his fumble problems, lack of power, and inability to take a pounding was annoying. Nice to have people see what I saw the whole time.

by finster112 on Aug 19, 2008 7:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I saw what you did there

that was $lick.

Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.

by Chickadee on Aug 20, 2008 12:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also...

By the end of the year Forsett was Cal’s only show in town; everyone knew he was the weapon that needed to be neutralized and he still delivered against some decent defenses. People not realizing Forsett’s potential is like listening to (east coast) pundits talk about the Seahawks. I loved that they didn’t even mention Maurice Morris on Monday Night Countdown on ESPN.

by Azimeir on Aug 27, 2008 9:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To me he looks like...

what we all wanted SA to be.

Before I say this I must point out that I know our “NFL” tape of him so far is with 2nd and 3rd team OL(which for the Seahawks is better at run blocking than pass blocking, but still not 1st team quality) against the other team’s 2nd and 3rd team defenses. But that doesn’t change what types of decisions he makes, and the style he runs with.

Like Shaun, he seems to have great vision and cutting ability, as well as an ability to make people miss. But unlike Shaun he heads down the field ASAP, sometimes right away if there is little or no hole. And he embraces contact, runs into contact if that’s the best decision, and breaks a lot of tackles with more power moves than trying to dance around.

Even when he was punt returning and looking to reverse field, he was mostly heading straight up the field.

It is way too early to say he is a better version of a player who had 5 consecutive years of 1500+ total yards, and 16 or more total TDs, with amazing durability during the prime of his career.

But my point is that I am in love with his running style, strength, cuts, decisions, and acceleration. And at the very least it should be fun watching him returning punts and kicks…which I REALLY doubted he would have any talent for.

by cashless on Aug 19, 2008 5:11 PM PDT   0 recs

totally agree

If I were to write a scouting report during college it would go something like this:

1) Two-cut power runner… looks like a scat back but is not, chooses a lane and gets the ball upfield.
2) Used frequently on short-yardage situations, hits A or B gap with great speed.
3) Runs strongest to the left. Weaker running to the right.
4) Once feet start moving he’s hard to tackle, so swarming in the backfield can limit his effectiveness.
5) Does not make big jooks but rather tiny jooks and uses speed and angle equally.
6) Angry runner and will lower head and deliver blows to the heads and knees of defenders.
7) Uses blockers, is patient, hides behind pulling lineman and emerges with speed through the hole.

by danzig on Aug 19, 2008 7:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I want this kid to make the team.

I think he has the talent to contribute, and he is an exciting player on a team that doesn’t have much “flash”.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 PM PDT   0 recs

AWESOME

THAT WAS AWESOME (1st video). So nice to see a RB that has a second gear!

by paul2 on Aug 21, 2008 11:26 AM PDT   0 recs

Well, Forsett was terrible in the Chargers game.

I have to believe his talent level lies between both extremes (his performance vs the ebars and vs the chargers). There’s still a possibility he gets PS’d.

by redwolf75 on Aug 27, 2008 12:52 PM PDT   0 recs

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