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Quick Cap: 49ers 33 - Seahawks 30

0-2 is a deep, dark place good teams rarely dwell.

Seattle is a good team with flaws. Right now, those flaws are winning out and those losses aren't coming off the standings.

The special teams is far from fixed. In fact, it's in a state of crisis. Change starts at the top. There's no excuse for consistently bad punt blocking. No excuse for Josh Wilson running the ball out of the end zone with 2:42 left to play. It's time Bruce DeHaven, a known incompetent that's lived on a good run in the late eighties, is fired. The team can blame its personnel, panic every week, shuffle its long snaper, punter, return man and retain two kickers, but bad coaching is as plain as bad play.

Brian Russell's bad play is proof of bad coaching on the defense. If the team thinks it needs Russell, for his leadership, lack of pigment or veteranossity, that's moronic, self-defeating and outright befuddling, but it can be done. If the team thinks it can employ Brian Russell in a Cover 1, that's suicidal. Against an offensive coordinator famous for his deep passing routes, I never saw Russell provide deep cover once. I often saw him ineffectually running towards the play. I once saw him throw down an uncalled roughing the passer tackle on a J.T. O'Sullivan slide. I never saw him look even vaguely like an NFL caliber safety. He's done. His continued presence on this roster is as moronic, self-defeating and outright befuddling as Shaun Alexander's was last season. He's not going anywhere.

That said, there's a lot to be happy about. After Buffalo, it was possible that Seattle had simply gambled wrong on offense. That, much like the Red Sox failed closer by committee experiment, it had rightly de-emphasized a non-premium position, but failed to acquire any viable talent. I think this passing offense will be okay. Billy McMullen is little but a possession receiver, but that's a position Seattle's been without. Michael Bumpus is a polished if modest threat out of the slot. John Carlson has been everything Seattle could want, and without a second threat to take pressure off him.

Let's talk a second about Courtney Taylor. He was bad today. Real bad. And it's very possible he will be cut. The team's panicked at the moment and Taylor played both poorly and at times lazily. But he's a prospect. Taylor is talent. And dropping a young player without much experience because he struggles early is the hallmark of a losing franchise. The team needs Taylor to progress, and he's shown glimpses of good route running and run after the catch. He was overmatched against Nate Clements, but few receivers of his experience wouldn't be. It's painful having a player learn on the field, but that's the decision Mike Holmgren and Tim Ruskell made and it's irrational to blame him for starting slow. Lose that talent and it doesn't come back, and though you might find a possession receiver in free agency, you won't find a starting flanker.

Seattle's defense sacked O'Sullivan eight times. San Francisco's rushing game disappeared. The only viable part of the 49ers offense was its deep passing attack. And though it's easy to see Isaac Bruce's 154 yards and assume Marcus Trufant was smoked, that came on four receptions. This is a good defense, but the deep passing attack won't improve until Russell is cut, benched or minimum, not played in a Cover 1. There's no cure for bad reads, bad angles and no-speed.

This Seahawks team is strong and deep and right now so far down that it's tough to see the light. But bad teams don't just lose, they get beat. And Seattle, for all its screw-ups, won nearly every play of this game. Great hardship is what great stories are made of.

Game Ball: Julius Jones. He's not a great rusher, but he is a complete running back. Matt Hasselbeck had great time all game, and Jones' ability to pick up free blitzers had much to do with that. Around doing all the little things right, he proved that he's still a good, steady and productive running back.

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When Locklear comes back

who gets shuffled off the line, Porkchop or Willis?

by BrianL on Sep 14, 2008 5:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would guess Willis.

Who should be protected. Whereas Womack played decently at right guard and should be allowed to get his sea legs.

by John Morgan on Sep 14, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

as far as Replacement Level Talent

how easy would it be to find someone on the bench or PS or free agency to at least be better then Brian Russell?

by Will Kier on Sep 14, 2008 5:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Spot on JOHN.

I totally agree. Russell did us in. We got beat in one aspect of the game only and that was deep coverage. Russell was nowhere to be found on any play whatsoever. He needs to be cut so badly and will not be. This is the second straight week he has absolutely killed us. Our front 7 was amazing you should never lose a game when you dominate the line of scrimmage so clearly.

We had bad luck on the two tipped interceptions but good luck on the blocked kick and the Terrill TD. All of that evening out we should have won if not for zero coverage help from Russell with SF playing from behind. It’s hard to cover in a 10 on 11.

McMullen and Bumpus both played well. We should have used Duckett more and Jones less, but Holmgren is living in the past and will never adopt a true two back system. Taylor would be nice to keep on the team since he has potential but I think McMullen and Bumpus have earned spots on this team and with Branch and Engram returning Taylor is the odd man out since has done nothing to secure his job.

GREAT JOB by the oline and running backs.

They went with the deep ball knowing the safety help would be non-existent. Ruskell has been shrewd in his personnel moves thus far, its time to get shrewd about Russell. We have adams sitting on the PS who would be much better. I think Babineaux would even be better. He can’t cover but at least he can GET TO the play….

by michaelfox99 on Sep 14, 2008 5:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Team still needs 5 WR

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish

that Ruskell would figure out what on earth he’s going to do with Coutu. I think Mare had at least 1 touchback and a 51 yarder that easily cleared the crossbar, so he’s got some leg. Obsessing over 50+ yard accuracy seems pennywise, pound foolish: use the roster spot for another offensive player so they don’t need to make 50+ yard kicks in the first place.

Or hell, Jamar Adams. Maybe we could trade Coutu and an 09 late round pick for some mediocre bench guy who can plug in at Safety.

by Will Kier on Sep 14, 2008 5:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wait, what?

I have never heard this before.

by Will Kier on Sep 14, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought this was a Madden NFL-only thing?

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Sep 14, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

The Google tells me Olindo Mare was traded to the Saints for a 6th round pick.

by Will Kier on Sep 14, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chances are if Payne can't play next week.

Coutu will be gone in favor of another WR. Possibly Shelton.

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 14, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has a torn ligament

Hes done

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I've ever seen 8 sacks

mean less.

What is the Defense’s rank on third and 7+? It must be miserable. I’m not an expert, but there is something wrong with our back 4. Maybe it’s our back 1, from what John is saying….

Offense did what it could without a full deck. Defense needed to step up, and didn’t.

by Hawkdawg on Sep 14, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No.

It was the safeties who blew it.

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 15, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Wilson didn't have a great game

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 15, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

babsforsaftey.com

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Payne is done for the year

So Taylor is safe for now. His 2 runs after catch probably earned him some breathing room. But thats not say that he still needs a lot of improvement.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2008 5:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No surprise.

Think the team goes after another WR this week?

by BrianL on Sep 14, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They kind of have to.

Especially with Seneca hurting. Holmgren said they would be looking for 1 or 2 WR on monday.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they don't bring Parker back.

Hell, let Koren work out this week and see what happens.

by BrianL on Sep 14, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he knows the system

and has been a good citizen of late

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, Jerramy Stevens hasn't been driving drunk in a while either

I don’t trust him, only a moron would have driven drunk after resuscitating his career in Minnesota as a returner. Help the future, give Bumpus, Taylor and (ok, old guy) McMullen snaps.

if we’re playing out the string at WR until Deion Branch and Bobby Engram return after the bye we’re looking at a home game against the Rams (which honestly shouldn’t be an issue, and I’ll be morbidly depressed if we fail and lose that game) and a game against the Giants which we’d probably lose anyways as an east coast early start game after a bye.

by Will Kier on Sep 14, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right but Keoren has upended his personality by many reports

Way I hear it he’s not the same man, and still the same player

I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.

by Chickadee on Sep 14, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

better to let him be someone else's problem

just easier for the community and the players to not even deal with that

by Will Kier on Sep 14, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A moron, or an alcoholic

Who from everything I’ve heard is handling that issue much better now. Also, beggers can’t be choosers. It’s not like anyone would want Koren if we had a healthy WR corps.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 14, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a miserable start

We should have won this game. Falling two games behind Arizona to start the season is a bad, bad thing.

Maybe we can overcome it, but losing winnable games like this with more difficult teams on the horizon is a really bad sign of what’s to come this year. If Isaac Bruce can burn our secondary like this at home despite 8 sacks and constant pressure, imagine what Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald can do to us?

Russell needs to get cut, there has to be a better option available.

by OlSalty on Sep 14, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that was a crazy game

And a rough one to see in person. Russell, blaaah.

I love LoJack, but should we have taken Kenny Phillips instead?

by Strang on Sep 14, 2008 6:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no

think Shaun Alexander, last year: we didn’t need Adrian Peterson to come in, just a decent guy who can perform well.

with hindsight we can see that a safety instead of Owen Schmitt would have probably contributed more immediately, although I don’t really want to start second guessing the choices.

by Will Kier on Sep 14, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted Phillips

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 14, 2008 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chung from Oregon

Sounds like a good take.

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 14, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely unrelated but

rushing touchdowns just don’t sound right without “Sweet Home Alabama” playing. I know it’s a conditioning thing, but it was weird none the less.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 14, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

11-5

will be our final record. any takers? how many wins do you see john?

by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 14, 2008 8:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

11-5 sounds good.

Today was the most nauseated I ever felt at the Q, except for the playoff game against Dallas, in which my nausea turned immediately into happy clouds of whipped cream.

8 sacks means nothing if you give up backbreakers to Bruce.

THE COUTU SITUATION INFURIATES ME. Especially seeing how Mare has shown some potential of returning to his ’06 form.

Julius Jones did everything right this afternoon. Last year we would have gotten 2 or 3 yards on 1st down; today we got 4 a lot. He’s not going to be perfect all season but he was pretty spot-on today. The line is improving. I love our new tight end.

I understand if Hass wants to keep throwing to the new receivers to build their confidence, but does he have to take that many shots downfield when we’re up by two scores, our running game is coalescing, and ball/clock control should be an imperative? We had a nice little West Coast offense drive in the 3rd quarter where we made relatively few mistakes. I know the WC isn’t exciting all the time, but it’s a nice tool of the team that has no reason to be desperate.

Then there’s the refs.

I think this was a game with several stupid mistakes. It did look like an aberration though. If we can get out of the mind clusterfuck games like this always produce I don’t see any reason for panic. Just nausea.

--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog

by Shrug on Sep 14, 2008 9:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and:

More Duckett. Please. Not all the time. Not necessarily in place of Weaver. Just more.

--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog

by Shrug on Sep 14, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shrug!!

Good to see you make an appearance.

by MFAN on Sep 14, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly... (and I am an eternal optimist)

8-8 seems pretty likely. I could see squeaking out maybe a 9-7 or 10-6 and still sneaking into the playoffs, but I can also see a possible 4-12 staring us in the face too. We have home games against the Packers, Patriots, and Eagles which are all losable games and, due to the way that we’ve always played on the road, I don’t see any clear gimmes on the road. Bear in mind, the ’Hawks were a fumbled snap away from losing to a 3-13 Rams team last year in St. Louis.

And as for the two PI calls in the red zone – they were good calls.

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which one? I still have the game DVR'd and watched both of them.

When a receiver is being grabbed with the ball in the air and the defender is looking right at the receiver and not the ball, it’s going to get called nearly every time. I agree in niether case was there a need for the PI, but PI there was.

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just two things to say

John Carlson is going to be stud. 6 catches 78 yards and I think 4 or 5 of those were for 1st downs.

Oh and I can’t wait foe next week!! go hawks!!

by MFAN on Sep 14, 2008 10:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

for not foe

I’m not trying to be gangster.

by MFAN on Sep 14, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She-it son

JEYAAAH BOIIIIIYE!

word.

I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.

by Chickadee on Sep 14, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will get you in the box.

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 15, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not it won't

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 15, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why Scruffy has a special place in my heart

I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.

by Chickadee on Sep 15, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love white people trying to be cool

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 15, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Russel?

I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.

by Chickadee on Sep 15, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just got back from the game... (yep, I'm far away).

My two cents:

Jones absoultely fricking rules. Busted more tackles than Shaun did his whole career, plus pass blocked and caught well (one drop) too.

Carlson also rules. Was getting open, must have had four first-down conversions. Matt is gonna love him.

Receivers did NOT play well, I’m sorry. No seperation at all from the DB’s, Matt had to force a few balls, one really cost us. We have Branch and Bobby, we win this game.

We have different ref’s, we win this game. Absolutely putrid calls, including two PI’s that were at best questionable that just plain gave SF first downs when they did absolutely nothing to deserve it. Disgusting, worst ref’ing I’ve seen since, well, you know.

Dehaven has to go. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. Just do it.

Wilson really killed us by taking the ball out of the endzone, then basically falling to the turf at the 15… REALLY put Holmgren in a bad position for playcalling… do you pass and risk going three and out and giving the ball back to SF at the 50? Or do you get conservative and run a bit, and not really take a chance at scoring.

You can blame the secondary all you want, but Sullivan had oodles of time quite often. Yeah, we got eight sacks, but I’m tellin’ ya from my perspective a lot of them were coverage sacks. Russell does stink, but Grant was also playing catchup a lot. And Wilson, GOOD GOD turn your frickin’ head around and look for the ball. That long pass was all yours.

by djafrot on Sep 15, 2008 12:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What surprised me most about this game

is that all the pressure the Hawks put on O’Sullivan didn’t result in turnovers. Got to give the man credit for protecting the ball and keeping his poise.

by Man From Nantucket on Sep 15, 2008 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's right.

The Terrill TD came off of a Gore fumble.

by PascoJoe on Sep 15, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And even after Trufant picked up

the fumble, JTO stripped the ball. That’s when Terrill came up with it.

by redwolf75 on Sep 15, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O'Sullivan didn't take many big hits.

For all the times he was sacked I never saw him get hit hard. He had excellent footwork in the pocket to avoid big hits and get out of a few potential sacks.

Remaining cautiously optimistic...

by Badical Turbo Radness on Sep 15, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's no question...

He was a better QB today than I’ve ever seen from Smith.

by Azimeir on Sep 15, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Jon Ryan is that he takes

longer to to punt than plack, which leads to more blocked punts.

His slight advantage over a healthy plack in punt distance is negated by Plack’s quicker punt and ability to pin it inside the 20. Small sample size granted, but Ryan was also terrible in that regard, hitting at least 1 touchback.

by redwolf75 on Sep 15, 2008 10:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Plack only doesn't boom kicks

because he doesn’t ever have time to get them off.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 15, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To bring this back up from last week
Speaking of Payne: First play of Seattle’s second drive of the quarter, Hawks break 3 WR, I. Bufallo, nickel. The Bills rush 6, but with Leonard Weaver and Julius Jones in the backfield, the blitz is picked up. That’s essential and outright novel. Payne flashes open deep left, Beck expertly drops it over Payne’s outside shoulder, Payne catches, runs and is popped like a champagne bottle by Bryan Scott. The ball rolls out of bounds and Seattle retains possession; An outcome that matters in the game, but is not repeatable or indicative of skill. Payne needs to avoid taking so much abuse. The showy hit is partly Payne’s fault. He wasn’t blindsided, he, in fact, ran into contact. Don’t do that Payne. Remember you’re Logan Payne not Earl Campbell.

Apparently Payne didn’t get the memo.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 15, 2008 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Morgan your either a Genius or a Jinx

You predict injuries like it ain’t no thing.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 15, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness to Payne...

He caught a pass in traffic – hanging on to the ball – and got nailed in the knee coming down, displaying the kind of fearlessness you need to have any chance at successfully being a receiver in the NFL. Despite the poor outcome – and I agree with Morgan that he seemed to take a lot of shots in preseason – this wasn’t in any way his fault and actually raised my opinion of his ability to make it in this league.

by Azimeir on Sep 15, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was an intentionally dirty hit

He came in low to begin with, and then dove, helmet first, at Payne’s knee. Not playing the ball, not trying to wrap up, just trying to hurt someone. It’s because of those types of hits that I do NOT want to see Seneca playing WR.

Remaining cautiously optimistic...

by Badical Turbo Radness on Sep 15, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moose Johnson was pissing about it too...

It’s freaking football, not a tickling competition. Guys chop other guys knees out all the time on blocks and tackles that he happened to hit the knee is unfortunate. Asante Samuel took out Marion Barber on a run on MNF with a great ‘chop-tackle’ and I saw TO go up high for a pass where the defender dove at his legs that upended TO.

Please explain to me how to dive at anyone or anything in which you are not “helmet first”.

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that injury wasn't his fault

His feet barely hit the ground before the guy nailed him.

Though, the fact that he’s slower than hell and had no seperation didn’t help.

Wierdly enough, I swear that the DB knew he was curling in before he even cut in… he was actually BEHIND the DB and cut back around. If he’d just broken upfield instead they could have gone long.

by djafrot on Sep 15, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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