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The Tape: 49ers @ Seahawks 2nd Qtr

Watching this quarter, I couldn't help but wonder, does Seattle perform better in the red zone because John Marshall does less? Seattle's red zone defenses are typically simplistic read-and-react schemes. After watching mismatches created by complex play calls, I can't help but think some of Seattle's problems are in the play calling.

Bad Corner Play: Seattle couldn't buy deep coverage, but its corners played poorly too. In this quarter alone, Marcus Trufant, Kelly Jennings and Josh Wilson combined for five blown coverages. Wilson and Jennings each had two. Those five plays totaled 123 yards and five first downs. Here's a brief rundown of each.

1. First play of San Francisco's first drive of the quarter. Jennings loses his feet against a double move, stumbles into Bryant Johnson, draws a flag, falls away from Johnson and allows a 25 yard reception. That's so bad it's almost two blown coverages.

2. Three plays later, Wilson shades Arnaz Battle out, anticipating a deep pattern, bites right, loses Battle left and allows a 14 yard completion and the first. Wilson was so badly beat he didn't participate in the tackle.

3. Four plays later, Wilson grabs Isaac Bruce's jersey as Bruce fades right-diagonal towards the end zone.

4. Second play of San Francisco's third drive of the quarter. John Marshall dials up a five man blitz from a nickel package. That's not really a bad play call, but it certainly boned Seattle. The blitz fails miserably, Patrick Kerney is the lone player in short cover on the right side. (Begging the question, why would you put your best pass rusher in a short zone?) Deon Grant is lost in between and loses deep containment. Marcus Trufant is matched one on one against Bruce, a matchup you want, but Trufant loses Bruce by staring into the backfield. Coverage blown, the play results in 63 and the first.

5. Two plays later, 2nd and 14 from the Seattle 14. San Francisco breaks 4 WR, Rb, SG. Seattle in a dime. Isaac Bruce aligns outermost left in this four wide receiver formation:

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Bruce angles left towards the end zone, J.T. O'Sullivan lobs the ball towards Bruce, Jennings grabs at Bruce's jersey around the shoulder pad, before the ball is intercepted in the end zone by Deon Grant. The officials convene, call pass interference and everyone plus the announcers complain. But it's the right call. When a defender interferes with a receiver while the ball is in flight, it can't legally be called holding and it doesn't matter if the receiver isn't where the ball lands. The officials can't know if Bruce could have made it into the end zone had Jennings not interfered and the ball is theoretically catchable because it's in the field of play, so interference must be called. That's twice a Seattle corner interferes despite good coverage over top. Boneheaded mistakes you don't expect from Seattle's secondary, but mistakes they made.

John Marshall versus doing nothing: This plays defines why people say Mike Martz is a genius and John Marshall a dumbass. I think you'll find it underwhelming.

Seventh play of San Francisco's first drive. Second and 20 on the Seattle 24. San Francisco breaks 5 WR. Seattle responds with - zuh? - 3DL, 1 LB, Quarters. The 49ers align Johnson as the inner most slot receiver on the right. Seattle matches Julian Peterson against him. Peterson is a linebacker. Johnson is a wide receiver. See where this is going? The play starts, every Seahawks DB exits the screen, Johnson jukes Peterson out of his shoes, grabs a short strike and picks up an easy 11. Seattle's play call has it all. No pass rush and a built in mismatch. It's as if Seattle said "here, let's give you a more manageable third down." That brilliant tactician, Mike "genius" Martz.

The new force out rule in effect: On Seattle's third to last play of the half, Matt Hasselbeck passes to Bill McMullen along the sideline. McMullen jumps to make the catch. Nate Clements hooks his arm under McMullen's crotch and carries him out of bounds. I get the reason for the rule change, but should that be allowed?

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I thought the force out rule applied to pushing the WR out of bounds

I didn’t know you could carry them out. If a WR jumps to catch a ball 10 yards from the sideline, and the defender catches him in mid air and carries him out of bounds, is that not a catch? A little extreme but in the same field as what happened Sunday.

After the play last Sunday, it was very apparent that Clements was holding McMullen up, not just pushing him out. Plus he did have McMullen’s crotch resting on his arm, which is, you know, awkward.

Remaining cautiously optimistic...

by Badical Turbo Radness on Sep 16, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

This is a little ridiculous...

The first time that a defender catches a receiver in mid-air five yards from the sideline, carries him the five yards, and deposits him out of bounds I’ll revisit this rule. Clements did not “carry” McMullen out of bounds, but dove at McMullen which resulted in Clements on the ground and McMullen landing out of bounds. Per the rule change, this is an incompletion. Personally, I always thought the “force-out” rule was stupid in that there’s no assurance that the receiver was going to land in bounds in the first place. Now it’s cut and dry; feet in = catch, feet out = no catch. It was a great play by Clements.

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's plain as day.

Clements wraps his arms around McMullen’s right leg, left arm under his crotch. He pushes McMullen towards the sideline and falls in the process. He carries him out of bounds as any smart corner would do.

And I got to ask this because it’s been bugging me, how can you be a Seahawks fan that DVRs the game and not know how to spell Mike Holmgren’s name? The whole “Holgren” thing has got me wondering if you were a troll for another team for a while. I mean, you wrote it like four times.

by John Morgan on Sep 16, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's plain as day...

That it’s a legal play, hence a great play by Clements (which I think you’re agreeing on). “Carry” implies that McMullen’s downward momentum was halted and that he was moved sideways and then dropped. Clements happened to be under McMullen when he hit him and I suppose you could say that his inertia “carried” McMullen out; regardless it’s still perfectly legal and a great play by Clements. As you say, “as any smart corner would do.”

And Holmgren is merely a typo; I can’t believe you’re calling me out for that with the piss-poor grammar and spelling that exists in these types of message boards…

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hay

I taek afense to thet!

I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.

by Chickadee on Sep 16, 2008 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frankly I'm wondering if you're a troll as well.

You seem to have taken issue with just about everything presented here.

by BrianL on Sep 16, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

And taken the time to present my case...

Which most certainly is not troll-like behavior. In fact, the only reason that I made a profile for this site/blog is because I respect John’s ability to break down football. I don’t agree with everything that he’s said, but I think he has a well thought out reason for his opinions.

I will however get a little irate with people that disagree with a simple flippant, “what are you smoking?” type comment that is in no way backed up with any rationale. Because Russell said so (or John, or Holmgren, or anyone else for that matter) is not a supporting argument and certainly not the final word.

As for the specific example above, I believe there merely a misunderstanding; it seems that both John and I agree that it was a legal play and, thus, a good play by Clements. I think that he is saying that the rule should be revisited and I disagree. If I’m a troll for voicing a countering opinion to the blog writer, let me know so I can move on to more productive uses of my time.

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

Your good

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 17, 2008 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not the typo...

You don’t seem to make many. Solid writing, so forth. So the “Holgren” mistake seemed that much more glaring. I don’t have any problem with your comments, it was just an odd mistake and it made me suspicious. Nothing more.

by John Morgan on Sep 17, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 16, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you 100% Radness.

I can’t wait for the first time someone catches a Branch-size receiver in mid-air and runs 10 yards to “deposit” him out of bounds. There must be SOMETHING in the rule book that prevents this. If not, there may be soon.

I'm back to liking midgets too much.

by Thingray on Sep 17, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have the luxury of DVR or a game recording

But I saw the replay 3 or 4 times when it happened in the game, and I thought McMullen was definitely carried out of bounds. It looked, to me, that his downward momentum was stopped and he was moved laterally by Clements. Perfectly legal play, very smart play. I’m interested in how this plays out for the rest of the season.

Remaining cautiously optimistic...

by Badical Turbo Radness on Sep 17, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

the PI call

well, at least good to know what actually happened on that play.

by Will Kier on Sep 16, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Force out rule

So what WAS the reason for the rule change? Trying to limit the amount of discretion given to officials?

Seriously, we could see receivers getting Clementsed all the time now – an important part of safety play may be assisting a CB in not letting a receiver touch the ground before he can be dumped out of bounds (even if they need to physically carry him 10 yards).

by marc w on Sep 16, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

It defiantly takes away a throw for the QB

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 16, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

man, the guys in the seats around me went NUTS

They were like “PUSHED OUT! PUSHED OUT! THIS IS BULL$#(I$#!”.

I knew better.

by djafrot on Sep 16, 2008 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Geez Morgan

How happy are you that they shut down Payne for the season? I know he must have done something to you previous because you hate that kid but the truth is he has done nothing but work hard and bust his ass for this team. ie:Broken rib now now a torn MCL which he didnt want to be shut down he wanted to try to play through. When are you going to give this kid some credit. I cant wait til next year when we have Payne again!

by CrayzHawk on Sep 16, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Did John even talk about Payne is this article?

I don’t see his name mentioned once.

Nice try.

by MFAN on Sep 16, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet CrayzHawk likes Willie Bloomquist.

I live in georegia but i dont see rusia no where not even sound but they says theres tanks should i be worrie-Yahoo Answers

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Sep 16, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always forget that these people exist till I get down to the stadiums.

Then I want to cry because they are alive.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 16, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I died a little bit on the inside

the first time I heard someone claim that Willie was a better OF defender than Ichiro.

by BrianL on Sep 16, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of common fans try to be "smart" by talking down the best players on the team and blatantly denying statistical analysis so they can feel smart for "looking beyond the numbers"

A lot of common fans shouldn’t be allowed to go to games/spend money on the team/be alive.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 16, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

John isn't God

Besides, the primary criticism that John leveled at Payne was that he seems to take shots that he shouldn’t which has not a freaking thing to do with Payne getting hurt on Sunday; it could’ve happened to anyone.

And while Ichiro is a good player, he’s not worth $17 million a year by a long shot. :-p

Evaluating players based soley on stats is just a stupid as ignoring them altogether.

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Subthread closed.

Please god please let this subthread be closed…..

by Nate Dogg on Sep 16, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if you re-read Brett's comment

in no way was he advocating evaluating players solely by stats. Stop putting words in people’s mouths.

You are also wildly wrong about Ichiro.

by BrianL on Sep 16, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey

What did John just say :)

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 16, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not about baseball...

Yes, I did re-read his post and completely left him off the hook implying that “common fans shouldn’t be allowed to go to games/spend money on the team/be alive”.

So maybe putting words in his mouth is better than using the ones actually in there, eh?

A lot of common fans try to be “smart” by talking down the best players on the team and blatantly denying statistical analysis so they can feel smart for “looking beyond the numbers”.

Blatantly “defying” statistical analysis… which stats are you talking about? If statistical analysis was so precise you wouldn’t need scouts and there would never be arguments. Just because they may disagree with you does not make them “common” nor does it make them “smart” (in the ironic sense of the word).

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Geez MFAN

It was an overall comment towards how negative John Morgan is on the kid and he has done nothing but work hard. You proved nothing with your post.

by CrayzHawk on Sep 16, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your comment had nothing to do with the topic

there are two posts below this about WR’s and you choose this one to bring up Payne??

Oh and Payne is pretty stupid for wanting to play through those injuries, a WR playing with a torn MCL would hurt the team, but I guess Payne isn’t much of a team player :)

by MFAN on Sep 16, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dumbest Post All Year

I dont even know what you mean about this. Proves your just another typical moron just putting his opinions out there. I apreciate that. Horrible respond to the post though.

by CrayzHawk on Sep 16, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cool. No reason for you to come back here then.

Best to find some other place to follow the Seahawks.

by Matthew on Sep 16, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 16, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm so confused?

Are you Nighthawk2?

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 16, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here is a Nice Post on Logan Payne

5 Ways for Logan Payne to be successful in the NFL

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 16, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

That was the first time I’ve been Rick Rolled, I’ve managed to avoid it for sooooo long.

If you weren’t a mod I’d flag your ass on principle alone.

But then you do video previews…..you get some leniency.

I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.

by Chickadee on Sep 16, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

You didn't at all think

that why would there be a youtube video on Logan Payne?

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 16, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scruffy and John had a baby.

Out comes out fieldtube.com

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 16, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good heavens, no.

I already have enough trouble being productive at work thanks to LL and FG. John with a video site would likely result in my termination at the office.

by BrianL on Sep 16, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always thought you worked for the internet.

Make certain that things go well in the world of internets. Like the internets go good.

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 16, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't wait until next year

When he’s cut to make room for pro talent.

Dick Dastardly and Muttley with sick laughter

by Wayward Llama on Sep 16, 2008 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm glad to see...

That at least one other ’Hawk fan can acknowledge both PI calls were the right calls.

A MNF aside, did anyone count the number of facemask penalties the Cowboys had against Westbrook both called and uncalled (at least 2 uncalled).

by Azimeir on Sep 16, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Ya the Westbrook stuff was ridiculous

The line judge even had a clear view on the first one.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 16, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Football blog commenters have a lot more opinions, are a lot "louder" and seem to have a lot less information.

Great writeup, John. I’m not looking forward to reading the recap of the 3rd and 4th quarters :(

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 16, 2008 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I still don't think that ball was catchable for Bruce

But Jennings did commit PI

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 16, 2008 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm heading out.

If you can, please hold down the fire. I don’t if it’s just this blog, but I go to bed every night assuming I’ll wake to a flame war.

by John Morgan on Sep 16, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got my fire extinguisher

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 16, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just see this as you.

XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.

by Christian on Sep 16, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

About bad Corner Play

John, love the analysis, I’ve been reading the blog for about a year but never posted. If you would, I would like some clarification on Trufant’s “bad” play. I was listening to Hugh Millen on KJR and stated that the Hawks were in a combination Zone Blitz, with 2 deep and 4 under. Deon Grant had reponsibility over the top and Tru had flat responsibility and the only reason Trufant was in the picture because of he recongnized where O’Sullivan was going with the ball. Your thoughts?

by Yung Hawk on Sep 16, 2008 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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