Predicting The NFC West
I thought about doing an NFL preview, but virtually every NFL preview fails for the same reason: too large of scope. Instead let's do something a little more manageable. I'm familiar with each team's end of the year DVOA and complete season DVOA trend. I know their team age, personnel additions, subtractions, scheme and schedule. I also know their backstory, hopes and inner turmoil. And I guess, knowing all that, these predictions will only be kinda off, rather than stupidly, almost comically absurd in their errance off, like most NFL predictions.
1st Seattle Seahawks 13-3
What more can I say?
2nd Arizona Cardinals 9-7
In 2007, Arizona survived a spate of early injuries, limped to 8-8, but played 6-10. How then do they improve? A little like Seattle, actually. Tim Hightower doesn't need to be great to improve upon blunted has-been Edgerrin James. And Hightower won't be great, but he should be good enough, consistently enough to help improve Arizona's 20th ranked rushing offense. That's important, because running the ball is as essential to Ken Whisenhunt's system as passing is to Mike Martz's. Ideally, Hightower won't replace James, but complement him. Giving the Cards two backs that can absorb double digit carries every game. That relentless rushing attack, successful or not, is designed to open a deep passing game. Gains in the rushing attack may show most in the passing attack. Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin dream of safeties walked towards the line.
The defense should improve because of better depth and fewer injuries.
3rd San Francisco 49ers 7-9
I've been as skeptical as anyone about the 49ers resurgence, but an important move was made this offseason that will pay dividends: Escaping Alex Smith. Smith backers never hesitate to note the four offensive coordinators Smith has studied under in his four seasons, oblivious to the fact that other than Norv Turner, Smith was key in the other two's dismissals. Under Turner, Smith enjoyed a "breakout" season. Smith's "breakout" season merited the 38th ranked DYAR among all quarterbacks with 100+ passes. That season, Smith played behind a legitimately strong offensive line and teamed with one of the ten best running backs in the NFL. At his best, Smith looked like the kind of game manager teams seek in a third string quarterback. At his worst, Smith looked every bit as bad as Ryan Leaf.
A quarterback that bad pervades the play of the entire team. San Francisco sports a reasonably talented, if shallow, defense, and surrendered only a kind of below average 1.72 points per drive (17th). Their defensive DVOA, though, was 11.5%, 28th in the NFL. Football Outsiders predicted that defense to help lead San Francisco to the NFC West title in 2007. Oops. Their rationale: many young, talented players maturing at the same time. I think that begins to happen this year, as the Niners have much of the same talent as last year, a legitimate left tackle in Joe Staley and are finally free of the soul stealing suck of Alex Smith.
4th Saint Louis Rams 5-11
Last season, I saw a talented unit that could overcome its terrible defense to chase respectability. Instead, shame blindsided them with a steamroller. The defense was as awful as anticipated. Following an Orlando Pace injury, the offense followed suit. Pace returns, but after two seasons lost to injury, at what level? Losing Isaac Bruce wouldn't hurt most teams, but with Keenan Burton and Donnie Avery failing to force themselves into the mix, any reason not to double Torry Holt on every play left with Bruce.
That offense, above average at best, terrible at worst, is again paired with a defense unlikely to improve. Adam Carriker and Chris Long are building blocks, but two players don't make a defense and neither do the other nine rubbernecks fronting the Rams depth chart. Collectively, the Rams defense is old, thin and talent poor. Unless Long produces at a Hall of Fame level as a rookie, the Rams will depend on blitzing to create pass rush. Their secondary won't withstand the missing men.
It doesn't help that Scott Linehan is as precarious as a head coach can be entering a season and is flanked by former head coaches Al Saunders and Jim Haslett. Neither are satisfied as assistants. The Rams needed an acceptance of failure and a housecleaning before by a painful but productive rebuilding. Instead, they got 2007 2.0.
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I agree about SF
I’m a little bit worried about the ‘hawks-49ers games — other than ’05, it seems like the ’hawks always drop at least one stupid divisional game (and no, I’m not Sando and I hope I don’t sound like I’m just parroting his divisional post) and JTO being “eh” is better than Alex Smith being suck. If nothing else, he has a much faster release than Smith and that might be the difference between a TD pass (with, ugh, Vernon Davis flapping his arms with a foot on the pylon) and a Sugarbear Shake.
The Rams, you nailed it. That o-line is a disaster and it sounds like Pace is already hurting.
The Cards, well… the superstitious part of me is worried since this is finally the year that the media seems to be writing them off.
by Strang on Sep 3, 2008 3:32 PM PDT 0 recs
I'd peg 11, too
But John knows, oh, 8000% more about football than me.
by iheartjavelinas on
Sep 3, 2008 3:50 PM PDT
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I think they're that good and their schedule that easy.
If I were a betting man, it’s the record I’d bet on, but I predicted 12-4 last season and they certainly were capable of that, but went 10-6.
by John Morgan on
Sep 3, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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Let's be realistic here...
There will be at least one or two upsets where everything goes wrong and Seahawks play like absolute crap (eg: last year’s Saint’s game).
I’m predicting a losses against Buffalo and Arizona. Dallas and New England are no-brainers.
by aerozeppelin on
Sep 3, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
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New England is a home game
In no way is it a no-brainer
Coach Owens = No Fun Zone
by Scruffy Lefty on
Sep 3, 2008 4:43 PM PDT
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Ok... I'll be the pessimist
9-7… the optimist says we can still make the SB, if we get hot and healthy… but we’ll lose some games early… most likely starting with Buffalo.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on
Sep 3, 2008 4:43 PM PDT
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Buffalos offense is nothing to fret about
Coach Owens = No Fun Zone
by Scruffy Lefty on
Sep 3, 2008 4:44 PM PDT
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Our run defense
did not inspire me… and John’s breakdown of Red, and the fact that Mebane did not show well, coupled with the suspension of Rocky, and the fact that it may well be raining like hell (Hanna), I see our smallish line getting pummeled, and our linebackers being stymied, and the ghost of GB coming for a visit.
I wish I saw otherwise. I want so badly to be the optimist…
On the bright side, I really do see greatness in our last 9 games. It’s all about how you finish, right?
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on
Sep 3, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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So then stack the line
Edwards isn’t going to light it up
Coach Owens = No Fun Zone
by Scruffy Lefty on
Sep 3, 2008 4:47 PM PDT
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I want to agree...
I just see Omare Lowe losing to some tall dude in SD, and it reminds me of Hardy, and Wilson not quite getting back in time to bat the pass away from Evans like he did against Chicago… color me black… I’ll do some NLP work later.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on
Sep 3, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
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How about a breakdown of the record?
Who do we beat, who do we lose to? These are the cold hard facts I NEED to know.
Also, first post. Found this somehow on the web, and I can only say it is simply incredible work, so keep it up!
You really think I'll become a bronco fan if I live in Denver long enough? Why, when it is so much fun watching your team suck and mine rock!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 3, 2008 3:53 PM PDT 0 recs
won't lose to the pats at home
and the Giants suck now. So I think its at Arizona, Tampa bay and at the Cowboys
Coach Owens = No Fun Zone
by Scruffy Lefty on
Sep 3, 2008 4:06 PM PDT
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I hope we smash NE so hard
Oh that would be ever so sweet.
Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.
by Chickadee on
Sep 3, 2008 9:15 PM PDT
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I could throw some specific wins and losses out there, but I think that's a fools errand.
I certainly don’t think we’ll lose to the Giants, if that helps.
by John Morgan on
Sep 3, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
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That being said, dropping easy games is like clockwork (See: Panthers games) for Seattle.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
by SSreporters on
Sep 3, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
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I was at that game...
it was not only boring, it was embarassing…
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on
Sep 3, 2008 4:59 PM PDT
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Didn't it seem like...
both teams were playing in mud.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on
Sep 3, 2008 6:02 PM PDT
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Was a beautiful
but windy day in the Queen City… Panther’s did not respect the run, and blitzed the shit out of Hasselbeck… and we could not convert third and short… sound familiar… go Duckett!
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on
Sep 3, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
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what's happened to the Giants
so that everyone discredits them? (Besides losing that safety)
by paul2 on
Sep 3, 2008 4:43 PM PDT
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And 2 of their starting D-Line
plus they were incredibly lucky last season.
by Matthew on
Sep 3, 2008 4:45 PM PDT
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They still have Eli Manning
Sure he won a Super Bowl but I’m not convinced it wasn’t a fluke.
Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.
by Chickadee on
Sep 3, 2008 9:16 PM PDT
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They weren't very good for a lot of the regular season last year
And now probably their two best players on defense are gone. Shockey is gone and Boss is still pretty unproven as his replacement, and their secondary still blows….Winning the Super Bowl doesn’t necessarily mean you’re the best team in football, especially not after losses like that.
Then there’s Eli….Even in the playoffs he made some remarkably stupid throws that, for some reason, just happened to not be intercepted like they should have been.
by OlSalty on
Sep 3, 2008 9:50 PM PDT
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I see..
I see they lost Shocky+Strahan+Wilson+Osi
=(ouch!) less contention ability
by paul2 on
Sep 4, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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@ TB....no. Tampa will sink, I'm thinking a home loss against the Eagles?
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
by SSreporters on
Sep 3, 2008 4:37 PM PDT
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WHAT A JOKE
“What can [you] say?”
I dunno, something that justifies how the Seahawks are going to go 13-3 this year with no receivers.
Quick – name their 2 starting receivers. Sorry, you lose.
by CrowbarMan on Sep 3, 2008 4:16 PM PDT 0 recs
Welcome aboard Field Gulls.
In case you were unaware, there are many other posts here besides this one that you have signed up to comment on. I would suggest perusing the archives to find the information you are seeking. Good luck!
by Matthew on
Sep 3, 2008 4:18 PM PDT
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looks like I was late posting pdb
intro to FG posting thread
Coach Owens = No Fun Zone
by Scruffy Lefty on
Sep 3, 2008 4:45 PM PDT
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Trolls want negative reactions.
Respond with the opposite and they’ll go away.
And if that fails, ban them. :)
by Matthew on
Sep 3, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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Sometimes I hate the internet.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on
Sep 3, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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and lolcats
so……maybe not great all the time.
But there is stumbleupon.
Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.
by Chickadee on
Sep 3, 2008 9:18 PM PDT
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And now loldogs and lolbabies.
I live in georegia but i dont see rusia no where not even sound but they says theres tanks should i be worrie-Yahoo Answers
by Phildopip on
Sep 4, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
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Nate Burleson and Courtney Taylor for now
Do I win? Balanced offense with top 10 QB paired with an elite defense, 13-3 is definitely the high end but it’s not crazy.
Hmm, didn’t have the balls to post with your actual SBN account, thats too bad. Must be a rival NFC West fan, the Steelers fans are usually proud enough to show where they’re coming from.
by Nate Dogg on
Sep 3, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
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I agree CrowbarMan
As a Seahawks fan I’ve written this season off, contacted NFL people so they could give the NFC West to the Cardinals.
Our wide receivers are weak, I have no idea who is playing at slot, running back is overrated, 7-9 we go!
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
by SSreporters on
Sep 3, 2008 5:04 PM PDT
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well, I'm not sure about 13-3...
…but it won’t be lack of receivers that’s the problem. Holmgren has done fine with mediocre WR crews in his history. Quick, name two Pro-Bowl Holmy receivers.
You lose.
by djafrot on Sep 3, 2008 4:19 PM PDT 0 recs
Just for future reference, reply button is your friend.
But don’t even try to argue with trolls, it’s not worth it. We know WR isn’t really a hugely important position in a Holmgren offense, and we can leave it at that.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on
Sep 3, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
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thanks
I mis-clicked. But I don’t need any more friends. ;)
by djafrot on
Sep 3, 2008 5:28 PM PDT
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The West Coast Offense has never been about the top receivers
It’s spread out so basically as long as the receiver has a set of working hands and decent speed he is in.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
by SSreporters on Sep 3, 2008 4:36 PM PDT 0 recs
What about special teams?
In addition to relatively inexperienced WRs, I can see poor special teams play costing us a few games this season. I have yet to be impressed by kickoff coverage especially.
by nach on Sep 3, 2008 5:09 PM PDT 0 recs
the kick-coverage team will be helped by Olindo Mare doing the kickoffs
by MFAN on
Sep 3, 2008 5:16 PM PDT
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Here's hoping he can kick it straight this year
Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.
by Chickadee on
Sep 3, 2008 9:20 PM PDT
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Optimism Abound
I love your optimism John!! And I do see 13-3 as possible, but I also see enough questions heer n theer to temper my prediction. 11-5 I say. Though better won;t shock me in the least bit.
by Dougula on Sep 3, 2008 6:26 PM PDT 0 recs
proof reading for typos is a good thing
I really do know how to spell here n there
by Dougula on
Sep 3, 2008 6:27 PM PDT
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proof-reading
if you’re a grammer nazi…..owens?
Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.
by Chickadee on
Sep 3, 2008 9:20 PM PDT
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Geez...
this thread sort of cluster effed itself.
Someone play me in Madden 09. XBOX live gamertag: BANE509
by Christian on Sep 3, 2008 8:40 PM PDT 0 recs
meargh
The Seahawks will always drop an inexplicable game or two during the season. 10-6 or 11-5…same as I had thought last year, actually. In 2005 they didn’t, although it was close with the @Titans and @49ers games. I call the #3 playoff seed. And declare that the Dallas / New England duo will be the most exciting games of the season, easily.
Basically, I anticipate that the offense will have a creaky start as Hasselbeck, the receivers, and the running backs find their groove. By midseason as Deion Branch starts working back into things and the youth have more time with Matt I think the Seahawks could do pretty well in the Weighted DVOA.
by Will Kier on Sep 3, 2008 10:31 PM PDT 0 recs
I contend Seahawks Pats game
will be the most exciting game of the season, if a few things happen.
1) The Seahawks have a decent margin of victory, say 10-14 or more points. Especially if the Pats have an overall low score.
2) Branch has a great game
3) We injure another offensive starter like we seem to every other game, hopefully no one on any of my fantasy teams, but someone that the media will say, “Oh wow, Seattle.”
And more, hell even Mare making a clutch field goal would be exciting, in any game. But if we can outscore the Pats with our offense, go ahead and erase all doubts from media big-wigs about our lack of depth at WR and their suspicions about our running game.
I can’t wait for a victory here, I refuse to even imagine a loss, I don’t want to jinx it. A win there would be the capstone on the season, unless of course we win conference, I daren’t even whisper about the Super Bowl.
Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.
by Chickadee on
Sep 4, 2008 12:28 AM PDT
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never wish..
Don’t wish for us to injure opponent’s starters, cause its not sportsmanlike, not necessary, and can inspire them.
by paul2 on
Sep 4, 2008 9:22 AM PDT
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It wasn't a wish
but an observation that would translate into an observation by the sports pundits. Of course I don’t want it to happen, but if and when it does you can bet a win would be simpler.
Why? Because the Seahawks rock my socks.
by Chickadee on
Sep 4, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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and outside of the Fanposts.
No one really cares about fantasy teams.
Someone play me in Madden 09. XBOX live gamertag: BANE509
by Christian on
Sep 4, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
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Off-topic, but Sandoman gives you a shout out.
Glenn from Seattle writes: I’m an old TNT reader of yours and big fan! It’s so great to see you back in action on the NFC West. Just in case you didn’t see this, fieldgulls.com has posted a rebuttal of your column on the Seahawks and 5 vs. 4 receivers last year. Keep up the great work, as always!
Mike Sando: Thanks, Glenn. I did see John Morgan’s rebuttal. Good stuff. He pointed out differences in yardage. I went with points and would be the first to say correlation does not equal causation. Actually, I would not be the first to say that. One of the commenters on the original item brought it up.
by redwolf75 on Sep 4, 2008 9:49 AM PDT 0 recs
I THINK YOU GOT IT BACKWARDS
Looking more like 3-13 this year. Probably just a typo in the original post.
I really liked the running game stats in the first half. 8 carries for 2 yards – 1 yard for Jones, and one for Morrice. Now you lost Morrice, so you’re in trouble.
by CrowbarMan on Sep 11, 2008 9:58 AM PDT 0 recs









