Quick Cap: Bills 34 - Seahawks 10
I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I sure as shit ain't anything else. And when you kinda suck, you bust your ass `cause that's all you got. That's what no one can give you and no one can take away.
But when you're talented, and skilled, and deep and you've sailed atop your success wondering why no one notices you - you're my enemy. You're the scum of the earth.
I hope that's exactly how Seattle feels right now. Like the worst Goddamn team in the NFL, because it's going to take the determination of the born loser to recover from this utterly shameful performance.
One unit showed today - and GODDAMN RIGHT they were still laying hits in the 4th. Seattle's defense is fine. Good job, you're excused.
Seattle's offense deserves the three headed rancor of Mike Ditka, Vince Lombardi and Joe Paterno. To be so easily solved by the simplest and oldest tactic in the defensive playbook, the blitz, and to not make adjustments until game over in the fourth quarter is proof of lax preparation and an attitude of defeat. Let's face it, once again Mike Holmgren was overmatched and outcoached by a young defensive coordinator. Watching Buffalo's defense stand and mill about the line presnap and Seattle incapable of responding, it was Pittsburgh all over again. Modern tactics defusing a now ancient offense.
But it was special teams that lost today's game. My expert analysis: I think firing Bruce DeHaven is perfectly justifiable. Should Seattle and will it fix their special teams? Probably not. Probably. But all the long snappers in the world can't fix bad angles on coverage, complete obliviousness on a Pop Warner fake field goal, and stupid, greedy, game deciding return play. Josh Wilson returned the ball like he could win it all with another five yards.
And yet...
I'm not the least discouraged about this team. I know they are better than this. And I believe, Goddammit I have to believe, that every ounce of arrogance and entitlement just got beat out of them. And come next Sunday they will play as hard as the worst team in football.
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Said this in the game thread
but this is like the Jaguars game in ’05. Just a ugly road loss.
Carlson looks good as did Josh Wilson and Bryant.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
If he can just cut back on those false start penalties
Carlson is going to be a fine addition to this team.
Well
Kelly Jennings had a terrible game. He has to go after the ball instead of giving the ball to the receiver. That said, Evans is very very very very very tall and Jennings is 5’9 I believe.
The secondary as a whole played very well until this blowout began.
Again, just 1 sack allowed by Buffalo. Where is the pressure on the road?
And this offensive line was also garbage, and a lot of the pressure was on the left or center of Hasselbeck. Hutchinson and Tobeck need to come back!
The receivers and Hasselbeck didn’t gel, and you shouldn’t expect them to. He didn’t play in the pre-season, the starters were injured, so the offense will be rusty.
Tight end position looks iffy, but as long as Carlson stays still before Hasselbeck gets the snap, I think he’s got a bright future.
You would swear this was 2004 all over again, dropped passes. lack of protection, blown out on the road.
Hasselbeck….nightmare with this pick as I type.
This was quite possibly the worst game since we started winning the NFC West, it’s opening day, we always start slow, tough luck.
As long as Burleson isn’t injured to the point of missing 2 months, this should be good. Remember, 2 home games and a bye week before the game in the Meadowlands. We should be 2-1 heading into the bye week with Branch and Engram coming back, because Engram and Burly are literally the only reliable WRs in here.
Horrible game all around, hopefully this is just 2005 all over again, but we win the Super Bowl. The 12th Man will be boisterous and there will be a beating coming towards San Fran and St. Louis.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
And yes, this comment is from the other thread, and I copied and pasted it and added more thoughts.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
Crap, I was thinking about James Hardy
Then that makes it even worse.
Jennings looked horrible still.
Holmgren left me speechless. The playcalling should go to the offensive coordinator, he should stop calling the plays. I’m tired of 3rd and 13 ending up as a draw play. It’s so mechanical, if this was the new look offense, it sure looks like a newer version of last year’s offense.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
disagreed on the 3rd and long draw
It works sometimes… probably as well as any fifteen yard pass.
And it doesn’t risk a turnever, which a fifteen yard pass into prevent coverage quite often does.
Plus, it at least always gets SOME yardage back.
But when you are getting 3 or 4 yards, it doesn't matter.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
yes it does
all yardage matters.
but the main point is the lessened risk of turnovers.
John, how about doin’ some research for me? I want to know if the 3rd and long draws are as effective as long throws, in terms not only of turnovers but actually getting the first.
I know a while back...
that draw was valuable. I think mostly because it put Seattle in better field goal range. I think how it’s often used now, the team would be just as good taking a knee. 4 yards before a punt is more or less a forfeited play.
but...
is it not a better option than dropping Matt back under all that pressure? That’s how you not only get INT’s and sacks (losing yardage), you risk getting Matt hurt.
3rd and long pretty much IS a forfeited play, anyhow. Why not get some yards out of it?
Not if you can't run the football well.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
If it's 3rd and 11+
I understand a draw, but ordinary third and long is converted pretty often and to run a play that essentially can’t convert because your are scared of a turnover or injury is just bad football.
yeah, 3rd and 11+ is really what I'm talking about.
Not 3rd and 7 to 9. Those we almost always pass.
The Pittsburgh game was worse last year
As was the Bears game in 06 and the Jets and Bills game in 04.
Yeah, the Pittsburg game was a complete breakdown by everyone involved.
At least our defense showed up for the most part today.
Also CJ Wallace is terriable
can we bring in Jamar Adams to just play special teams. Also Forsett might have to play some gunner.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
Guhhhhh
Totally outcoached. Sloppy, sloppy protection. Terrible game from Hass. Playcalling…. WTF!?!
And our backs couldn't block worth shit, either.
The O-line held up well, but it was our backs who allowed the pass rush to destroy the pocket.
kent dropped some clutch ones
Some could have been game changers
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
Also Willis is not ready to be a fulltime RT
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
K, I'm going to go enjoy the nice weather while its here
I’ll check in tonight
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
Has Russell ever been this visibly bad?
I know he wasn’t very good all last year, but he was in the spotlight bad today.
did Jennings play bad??
I thought he did pretty good, Evans had 2 big catches, it wasn’t like he carving Jennings up all day
He got him deep, he got him on the underneath routes, Jennings was horrible.
At least Lawrence Jackson was quite good.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
and man was I pissed
when the ref’s didn’t see Holmy’s challenge flag. WTF.
I was more pissed when Holmgren didn't challenge the other one.
The refereeing today was pathetic. There was no PI on the Bills on our only touchdown drive, and there was no holding on Sims at all.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
That's on Holmgren.
He’s slow and tentative to challenge. This isn’t the first challenge flag he’s thrown that the officials have missed.
Any corner is going to get beat when the QB isn't rushed
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed, I thought Jennings was OK.
He was at least somewhat in position on the deep balls, had little help from the safeties or the pass rush.
I disagree about Jennings
he was in good position. And when he was beat he had no over the top help.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
abominable
how much can you even say about the offensive skill players when the OL was getting flattened on almost every play? Hasselbeck getting sacked literally a half second after the snap is absurd. Our RBs getting overrun as soon as they get the handoff.
A) catch the ball
B) the OL plays like we know they can
that’s not expecting too much, but it should be an easy improvement. in theory.
oh yeah, the extra field goal
IIRC that was three straight passes by Seattle after they got possession back at the end of the first half. About 9 seconds run off the clock, Buffalo gets back into possession for a bonus field goal. One of those downs has to be a running play to take at least an extra 10 seconds off or force the Bills to use another timeout.
I didn't notice us go into a deep zone or anything, did we?
because that would be silly.
Man off
With the corners playing about ten yards off line of scrimmage. Basically ceding the first five yards.
in principle, I don't think any defensive plan
that starts with “stop pressuring the offense” is a good one.
the play by play
1st and 10 at SEA 25 (:55) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short middle to J.Putzier (P.Posluszny). Receiver and coverage at SEA 30.
2nd and 10 at SEA 25 (:51) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short right to J.Jones [C.Kelsay]. Receiver underthrown at SEA 28. Thrown after pressure by C.Kelsay and A.Schobel.
3rd and 10 at SEA 25 (:45) (Shotgun) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete deep middle to J.Putzier. Overthrown, receiver at BUF 48.
4th and 10 at SEA 25 (:40) R.Plackemeier punts 22 yards to SEA 47, Center-J.Robinson, out of bounds.
behold. at your own 25 yard line.
One more reason I was really surprised Seattle didn't cut Putz.
The guy is awful. Seattle reads way too much into practice and way too little into talent. And by Seattle I mean the coaching staff.
I know it's bunched up in the special teams
But Placks’ knee injury affected his punting. That, and he has regressed year after year. Scary sounding but it’s true. He had some clunkers and certainly you shouldn’t be kicking to Roscoe Parrish.
Do it like the CFL, time to teach Mare how to punt. Placks has lost any distance his leg had achieved in his rookie season, and his accuracy is mediocre.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
True, but even when he had a lot of time he shanked punts.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
Plack was rushed all day, you're the one who said he has a knee injury, and his long snappers have been crap. Plack is good.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Screw you Joe Buck, San Fran ain't winning the NFC West
But Frank Gore was breaking tackles like crazy on that TD, soft Arizona defense? :)
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
I'm not feeling all the Holmgren hate
I could understand ragging on Solari if you have to pick a coach (not named DeHaven that is), but the offensive line was terrible and this wasn’t Peyton Manning against the Steeler in the ‘05 playoffs. They weren’t calling 7 step drops or naked boot legs or anything, the defensive line for Buffalo was simply man handling the Hawks line. I can think of 3 plays where the ball was barely handed off before the running back was tackled, there was the Kawika Mitchell blitz where Hasselbeck was sacked before he took a step back, and the play the announcers highlighted when Stroud obliterated Sims. That was purely a talent issue.
Add in that the starting recievers were Nate, Taylor, and Payne, and then that Nate got hurt, I’m not sure what you wanted Holmgren to do. More dedication to the run game would have been nice I guess, but where would that have gotten them? Holmgren can’t just dial up the “no sack” play, or the “suddenly have NFL quality recievers” play.
Oh, and as far as the Seahawks D goes
they played well, but Jesus Christ how different can rushing the passer be on the road?
It's just that broken logic really hurts my brain.
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I think a lot of people would agree with you.
It is my opinion that much of what is perceived as the offensive line getting dominated was in fact a failure to adjust to Buffalo’s constant blitzing. It’s certainly something I will look into.
It was partly a scheme issue
in that they kept trying to put a back, usually Jones I think, up almost under center to try to pick up rushers coming through the middle. That failed in most cases, and that falls on Holmgren to change the scheme. But the reason it was failing wasn’t that the scheme was inherently flawed, it was that the guys were getting physically dominated. At least thats how I saw it. Like I said, everyone dropped the ball on this one, but I don’t think Holmgren is the guy we should be pointing to first.
Isn't blitz pickup and OL adjustments
usually handled by the OL coach?
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing I really want to see more of
was some dump offs to our backs. It was like we were play calling with Shaun still back there
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
next week will be very interesting
The Hawks gotta earn their pride back, I’m excited to see how they come out.
did you hear that crowd just die?
Don’t think I’ve ever heard a stadium go so quiet so fast
They deserved it after what they did to us on Christmas Eve 2006
Yesterday's Pants
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Norv Turner: I'm Norv Turner, so my team just sucks automatically.
Wow…….how did Delhomme get that one through?
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
Well there goes 2 of my first round picks
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Between this and another fantasy team
I had Tom Brady, Wes Welker, and Randy Moss
Fuck
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
holy shit, the game against New England just became 10000000x more winnable
of course it doesn’t matter if we play like we did today.
Man, so if we win that means no one will be impressed at all.
I kinda feel sorry for him.
Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.
Bradys out for season....
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=AgzVFgnHU21C5N87YztdJc5nYcB?slug=ms-bradyoutforyear090708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
sob.!>!>!
Only one kicker is making this team and his name is Chris Hansen
you know, at first I had this weird feeling of elation...
…but then I suddenly felt a little sick.
This really sucks for everyone involved, the whole NFL actually.
Say what you want about Brady, he seems like a really great guy and is a great face for the NFL.
What? Brady is the biggest douchebag alive
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Some care though I don't, but it's worth mentioning that he's got an illegitimate kid...
He’s just cocky and doesn’t give his opponents any credit, and there’s a story where he told the Patriots owner that “drafting me was the best thing you’ve ever done” while he was still a 3rd string QB. Yes he’s good and can back up the talk, but it still doesn’t make his attitude any less douchebaggy. “We’re only gonna score 17 points?” he scoffed at Burress. Yeah, guess what Tom, you scored 14 and now you’re out for the year.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
illegitimate kid?
What year is this, 1957?
I’m pretty sure that kid is doing OK.
As for the rest of it, big frickin’ deal. That makes him the “biggest douchebag”? The guy spends his whole life in front of the camera, he’s going to say something off every once in a while.
He sure didn’t deserve a season-ending injury.
He's not even the biggest d-bag in the league
At least not while Leinart is cashing paychecks.
Or Ryan Leaf
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Or Shawne Merriman
Dick Dastardly and Muttley with sick laughter
by Wayward Llama on Sep 7, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
...is awesome.
I live in georegia but i dont see rusia no where not even sound but they says theres tanks should i be worrie-Yahoo Answers
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Sep 8, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
disagree
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
really? just suprised
tell me why you think so.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
Because he works just as hard as any receiver in the game
He wants to be known as the best. Its not his fault that the only way WR make great money in the NFL is to go after endorsement deals. His name has become a profitable brand for any company that wants to use him as a advertiser.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean he isn't a douchebag
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
Well than why is he a douchebag?
He works hard. Plays everydown. Once he is on the field he does whatever is asked of him.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, sure.
He just sounds ignorant sometimes when he’s complaining. He had a website online asking for support for his trade. He has basically the whole city begrudgingly, if at all, liking him for his play but nothing else. Maybe I’m just spoiled with the Hawks quality guys on and off the field, but Chad seems in it for himself. Like he’s playing every down and trying to be amazing for his own career, not for the team. Trying to look like he’s worth having to another team while strictly dissavowing his team, rather than try to help being a leader and carry the team. Or at least just shut up while putting up. The complaints are just undue. If you want to get traded then you should have the where-with-all to be a man about it and take care of it on a professional level, agent to personnel dept.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
Well if you had his defense you might feel the same way :)
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 9, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Christ I hate that word.
It’s been drained of all meaning.
This

is a douchebag.
Ocho Cinco, no matter how much you may hate him is not this

because that is a douchebag.
Any person you don’t like is not automatically a douchebag.
There are scumbags

assholes

asshats

and then there are douchebags.

I hope that’s instructive.
by John Morgan on Sep 8, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
God
Do I really look like Shockey in that picture or what?
XBOX live gamertag: BANE509...I would die tonight for my beliefs.
yes
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Best and most
instructive post you’ve ever written. Thank you John, your football commentary is spot on. Concise and to the point reporting on the why’s and where-for’s of douchebaggery.
P.S. That was not sarcasm, I’m really giving you props.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
that quote was priceless
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
It looks like a Lowes to me.
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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Sep 8, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey guys – Bills fan here. Just wanted to give y’all props for being a class organization and, more importantly, a classy blog. Enjoyed chatting with some of you, as well as John, this week.
Your defense is still disgustingly good. Have fun ripping apart the NFC West again this year.
Thanks for stopping by here.
I knew it wasn’t going to be an easy game but I’m not going to lie, I didn’t see us losing. Congrats on the good showing today and good luck the rest of the season
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good luck the rest of the way
and for the love of GOD please don’t let Brett Favre win that division!!!!
now that brady is out on my fantasy team for field gulls
Farve is my guy. What horrible luck eh?
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
haha, with his injury concerns?
with this team’s karma, he’d have been hurt on the first day of training camp.
Didn’t do much for Carolina today, either… and that was without Steve Smith on the field.
We should start a pool for missed games by DJ Hackett. Actually, games played might be more appropriate…
Hackett vs Taylor Payne and/or Kent
I’ll take Hackett everyday.
I'd like to kick Josh Brown in the privates!
Uh, Hackett isn't playing for the league minimum like Payne or Kent probably is.
Not to mention that I don’t think he would re-sign here if we were going to slot him 5th on the depth chart.
ha
Hacks hasn’t hardly played at all in Carolina due to injuries.
Dick Dastardly and Muttley with sick laughter
by Wayward Llama on Sep 7, 2008 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
well
that was our worst dream come true
our o-line sucked so hard that it’s not even funny. our receivers couldn’t really catch a ball. we were humiliated with a school-yard trick play. our special teams unit looked like that of a high school team.
any optimism for this season after this loss, or are we going 7-9?
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 7, 2008 6:16 PM PDT reply actions
we win next two
both are at home, then the bye, and get branch and engram back.
I’m hopeful, still 12-4
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
What a terrible game
Just sloppy all over, and now what probably would have been our #1-#4 starting receivers are all out with injury.
Courtney Taylor had an abysmal game as well.
Anyone else think Culpepper is going to NE?
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
Already heard there bringing Chris Simms up for a tryout
But I think the Culpepper has to at least make the call himself
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on how seriously Culpepper wanted to retire.
I can see him sitting back and letting NE come to him first.
well he just didn't want to be a backup
I don’t think this would be the case in NE
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all about leverage.
If NE makes the call first, Culpepper is in the driver’s seat.
nah, Culpepper wants to come back
he’ll do anything for money…even the minimum
still, it would be interesting to see how him and moss reunite
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Sep 7, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Guys, Burleson is fine, he will play next week apparently.....no word on Morris.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
I'd throw in Carlson
If that was what it took
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
Have your opinion.
But we could pick up a blocking TE somewhere to have hands like Moss’s on the field and I’d say, “well okay, now Hass has a proven target.” Can you imagine Branch, Engram, and Moss? That would be the most, THE most effective WR corp in the game of football, forget tight ends.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
Depends.
Do we have the mustard on the practice squad for these pretzels?
and are these the straight pretzels, or the pretzels in the knot shape? We could be talking including a conditional draft pick with Landry if they have the mustard inside.
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I am a lifelong Bronco fan that lives in Seahawk country....
Back when you were in the AFC I would have enjoyed this outcome—now that you are in the NFC I think it stinks.
What the heck happened?! I thought you guys were supposed to be a SB contender this year?
Broncos broncos everywhere and all the league did blink,
Broncos broncos everywhere think moldy faiders stink!
Check back after next week
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I will
Broncos broncos everywhere and all the league did blink,
Broncos broncos everywhere think moldy faiders stink!
WE are never contenders.....the Cardinals are, but we aren't. Strange.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
yeah
I’ve like never seen anyone pick Seattle to win, I mean only 4 of the 11 football outsiders writers picked us to win the NFC, and Mike Sando had the nerve to say this was the deepest Seattle team hes ever seen.
Mike Lombardi picked Seattle to lose the superbowl.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
Burleson out for Season!
Coach Mike Holmgren revealed Monday that Nate Burleson tore a ligament in his knee during the Seahawks’ Week 1 game. Burleson will be placed on injured reserve, ending his season.

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