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Quick Cap: Bills 34 - Seahawks 10

I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I sure as shit ain't anything else. And when you kinda suck, you bust your ass `cause that's all you got. That's what no one can give you and no one can take away.

But when you're talented, and skilled, and deep and you've sailed atop your success wondering why no one notices you - you're my enemy. You're the scum of the earth.

I hope that's exactly how Seattle feels right now. Like the worst Goddamn team in the NFL, because it's going to take the determination of the born loser to recover from this utterly shameful performance.

One unit showed today - and GODDAMN RIGHT they were still laying hits in the 4th. Seattle's defense is fine. Good job, you're excused.

Seattle's offense deserves the three headed rancor of Mike Ditka, Vince Lombardi and Joe Paterno. To be so easily solved by the simplest and oldest tactic in the defensive playbook, the blitz, and to not make adjustments until game over in the fourth quarter is proof of lax preparation and an attitude of defeat. Let's face it, once again Mike Holmgren was overmatched and outcoached by a young defensive coordinator. Watching Buffalo's defense stand and mill about the line presnap and Seattle incapable of responding, it was Pittsburgh all over again. Modern tactics defusing a now ancient offense.

But it was special teams that lost today's game. My expert analysis: I think firing Bruce DeHaven is perfectly justifiable. Should Seattle and will it fix their special teams? Probably not. Probably. But all the long snappers in the world can't fix bad angles on coverage, complete obliviousness on a Pop Warner fake field goal, and stupid, greedy, game deciding return play. Josh Wilson returned the ball like he could win it all with another five yards.

And yet...

I'm not the least discouraged about this team. I know they are better than this. And I believe, Goddammit I have to believe, that every ounce of arrogance and entitlement just got beat out of them. And come next Sunday they will play as hard as the worst team in football.

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Said this in the game thread

but this is like the Jaguars game in ’05. Just a ugly road loss.

Carlson looks good as did Josh Wilson and Bryant.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT   0 recs

If he can just cut back on those false start penalties

Carlson is going to be a fine addition to this team.

by BrianL on Sep 7, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Kelly Jennings had a terrible game. He has to go after the ball instead of giving the ball to the receiver. That said, Evans is very very very very very tall and Jennings is 5’9 I believe.

The secondary as a whole played very well until this blowout began.

Again, just 1 sack allowed by Buffalo. Where is the pressure on the road?

And this offensive line was also garbage, and a lot of the pressure was on the left or center of Hasselbeck. Hutchinson and Tobeck need to come back!

The receivers and Hasselbeck didn’t gel, and you shouldn’t expect them to. He didn’t play in the pre-season, the starters were injured, so the offense will be rusty.

Tight end position looks iffy, but as long as Carlson stays still before Hasselbeck gets the snap, I think he’s got a bright future.

You would swear this was 2004 all over again, dropped passes. lack of protection, blown out on the road.

Hasselbeck….nightmare with this pick as I type.

This was quite possibly the worst game since we started winning the NFC West, it’s opening day, we always start slow, tough luck.

As long as Burleson isn’t injured to the point of missing 2 months, this should be good. Remember, 2 home games and a bye week before the game in the Meadowlands. We should be 2-1 heading into the bye week with Branch and Engram coming back, because Engram and Burly are literally the only reliable WRs in here.

Horrible game all around, hopefully this is just 2005 all over again, but we win the Super Bowl. The 12th Man will be boisterous and there will be a beating coming towards San Fran and St. Louis.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:25 PM PDT   0 recs

And yes, this comment is from the other thread, and I copied and pasted it and added more thoughts.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Mookie

Lee Evans is 5’10"

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Crap, I was thinking about James Hardy

Then that makes it even worse.

Jennings looked horrible still.

Holmgren left me speechless. The playcalling should go to the offensive coordinator, he should stop calling the plays. I’m tired of 3rd and 13 ending up as a draw play. It’s so mechanical, if this was the new look offense, it sure looks like a newer version of last year’s offense.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

disagreed on the 3rd and long draw

It works sometimes… probably as well as any fifteen yard pass.

And it doesn’t risk a turnever, which a fifteen yard pass into prevent coverage quite often does.

Plus, it at least always gets SOME yardage back.

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But when you are getting 3 or 4 yards, it doesn't matter.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes it does

all yardage matters.

but the main point is the lessened risk of turnovers.

John, how about doin’ some research for me? I want to know if the 3rd and long draws are as effective as long throws, in terms not only of turnovers but actually getting the first.

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know a while back...

that draw was valuable. I think mostly because it put Seattle in better field goal range. I think how it’s often used now, the team would be just as good taking a knee. 4 yards before a punt is more or less a forfeited play.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

but...

is it not a better option than dropping Matt back under all that pressure? That’s how you not only get INT’s and sacks (losing yardage), you risk getting Matt hurt.

3rd and long pretty much IS a forfeited play, anyhow. Why not get some yards out of it?

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not if you can't run the football well.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If it's 3rd and 11+

I understand a draw, but ordinary third and long is converted pretty often and to run a play that essentially can’t convert because your are scared of a turnover or injury is just bad football.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, 3rd and 11+ is really what I'm talking about.

Not 3rd and 7 to 9. Those we almost always pass.

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 1:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Pittsburgh game was worse last year

As was the Bears game in 06 and the Jets and Bills game in 04.

by Robert on Sep 7, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, the Pittsburg game was a complete breakdown by everyone involved.

At least our defense showed up for the most part today.

by BrianL on Sep 7, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also CJ Wallace is terriable

can we bring in Jamar Adams to just play special teams. Also Forsett might have to play some gunner.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 1:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Guhhhhh

Totally outcoached. Sloppy, sloppy protection. Terrible game from Hass. Playcalling…. WTF!?!

by nucleard on Sep 7, 2008 1:26 PM PDT   0 recs

And our backs couldn't block worth shit, either.

The O-line held up well, but it was our backs who allowed the pass rush to destroy the pocket.

by Wilder. on Sep 7, 2008 3:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

mainly Putzier and Taylor, by my count…Putz played like one.

by Misfit74 on Sep 7, 2008 8:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

kent dropped some clutch ones

Some could have been game changers

I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.

by Chickadee on Sep 7, 2008 11:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also Willis is not ready to be a fulltime RT

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 1:29 PM PDT   0 recs

K, I'm going to go enjoy the nice weather while its here

I’ll check in tonight

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 1:29 PM PDT   0 recs

I really think Brian Russell has taken a step back.

He offered no deep help for Jennings all day.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 1:30 PM PDT   0 recs

agreed.

I had assumed Russell was good… until I started reading here.

This game, I watched for him. He was awful, Totally blew containment on Lynch’s run out of the endzone that could have forced a 2nd and long from within the one.

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Has Russell ever been this visibly bad?

I know he wasn’t very good all last year, but he was in the spotlight bad today.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 7, 2008 2:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

did Jennings play bad??

I thought he did pretty good, Evans had 2 big catches, it wasn’t like he carving Jennings up all day

by MFAN on Sep 7, 2008 1:32 PM PDT   0 recs

He got him deep, he got him on the underneath routes, Jennings was horrible.

At least Lawrence Jackson was quite good.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha. True.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

and man was I pissed

when the ref’s didn’t see Holmy’s challenge flag. WTF.

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 1:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was more pissed when Holmgren didn't challenge the other one.

The refereeing today was pathetic. There was no PI on the Bills on our only touchdown drive, and there was no holding on Sims at all.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's on Holmgren.

He’s slow and tentative to challenge. This isn’t the first challenge flag he’s thrown that the officials have missed.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Any corner is going to get beat when the QB isn't rushed

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed, I thought Jennings was OK.

He was at least somewhat in position on the deep balls, had little help from the safeties or the pass rush.

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree about Jennings

he was in good position. And when he was beat he had no over the top help.

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 1:33 PM PDT   0 recs

abominable

how much can you even say about the offensive skill players when the OL was getting flattened on almost every play? Hasselbeck getting sacked literally a half second after the snap is absurd. Our RBs getting overrun as soon as they get the handoff.

A) catch the ball
B) the OL plays like we know they can

that’s not expecting too much, but it should be an easy improvement. in theory.

by Will Kier on Sep 7, 2008 1:36 PM PDT   0 recs

oh yeah, the extra field goal

IIRC that was three straight passes by Seattle after they got possession back at the end of the first half. About 9 seconds run off the clock, Buffalo gets back into possession for a bonus field goal. One of those downs has to be a running play to take at least an extra 10 seconds off or force the Bills to use another timeout.

by Will Kier on Sep 7, 2008 1:42 PM PDT   0 recs

And Seattle goes soft

allowing a field goal to end the half. The John Marshall special.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 1:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Man off

With the corners playing about ten yards off line of scrimmage. Basically ceding the first five yards.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

in principle, I don't think any defensive plan

that starts with “stop pressuring the offense” is a good one.

by Will Kier on Sep 7, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the play by play

1st and 10 at SEA 25 (:55) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short middle to J.Putzier (P.Posluszny). Receiver and coverage at SEA 30.
2nd and 10 at SEA 25 (:51) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short right to J.Jones [C.Kelsay]. Receiver underthrown at SEA 28. Thrown after pressure by C.Kelsay and A.Schobel.
3rd and 10 at SEA 25 (:45) (Shotgun) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete deep middle to J.Putzier. Overthrown, receiver at BUF 48.
4th and 10 at SEA 25 (:40) R.Plackemeier punts 22 yards to SEA 47, Center-J.Robinson, out of bounds.

behold. at your own 25 yard line.

by Will Kier on Sep 7, 2008 2:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One more reason I was really surprised Seattle didn't cut Putz.

The guy is awful. Seattle reads way too much into practice and way too little into talent. And by Seattle I mean the coaching staff.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 2:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know it's bunched up in the special teams

But Placks’ knee injury affected his punting. That, and he has regressed year after year. Scary sounding but it’s true. He had some clunkers and certainly you shouldn’t be kicking to Roscoe Parrish.

Do it like the CFL, time to teach Mare how to punt. Placks has lost any distance his leg had achieved in his rookie season, and his accuracy is mediocre.

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:44 PM PDT   0 recs

Screw you Joe Buck, San Fran ain't winning the NFC West

But Frank Gore was breaking tackles like crazy on that TD, soft Arizona defense? :)

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 1:46 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm not feeling all the Holmgren hate

I could understand ragging on Solari if you have to pick a coach (not named DeHaven that is), but the offensive line was terrible and this wasn’t Peyton Manning against the Steeler in the ‘05 playoffs. They weren’t calling 7 step drops or naked boot legs or anything, the defensive line for Buffalo was simply man handling the Hawks line. I can think of 3 plays where the ball was barely handed off before the running back was tackled, there was the Kawika Mitchell blitz where Hasselbeck was sacked before he took a step back, and the play the announcers highlighted when Stroud obliterated Sims. That was purely a talent issue.

Add in that the starting recievers were Nate, Taylor, and Payne, and then that Nate got hurt, I’m not sure what you wanted Holmgren to do. More dedication to the run game would have been nice I guess, but where would that have gotten them? Holmgren can’t just dial up the “no sack” play, or the “suddenly have NFL quality recievers” play.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 7, 2008 2:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Oh, and as far as the Seahawks D goes

they played well, but Jesus Christ how different can rushing the passer be on the road?

by Nate Dogg on Sep 7, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This post...

…ugh

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 7, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think a lot of people would agree with you.

It is my opinion that much of what is perceived as the offensive line getting dominated was in fact a failure to adjust to Buffalo’s constant blitzing. It’s certainly something I will look into.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 4:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It was partly a scheme issue

in that they kept trying to put a back, usually Jones I think, up almost under center to try to pick up rushers coming through the middle. That failed in most cases, and that falls on Holmgren to change the scheme. But the reason it was failing wasn’t that the scheme was inherently flawed, it was that the guys were getting physically dominated. At least thats how I saw it. Like I said, everyone dropped the ball on this one, but I don’t think Holmgren is the guy we should be pointing to first.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 7, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't blitz pickup and OL adjustments

usually handled by the OL coach?

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The only thing I really want to see more of

was some dump offs to our backs. It was like we were play calling with Shaun still back there

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 6:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I strongly agree with that. Where was the re-visitation of the screen-game we heard about? We know our backs can catch. Also, Weaver looked like our best back for some reason. I was happy with his play.

by Misfit74 on Sep 7, 2008 8:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

next week will be very interesting

The Hawks gotta earn their pride back, I’m excited to see how they come out.

by MFAN on Sep 7, 2008 2:55 PM PDT   0 recs

I miss Hackett

That’s all.

I'd like to kick Josh Brown in the privates!

by The Manchild on Sep 7, 2008 4:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah, wow.

Someone check Salisbury’s short.

by John Morgan on Sep 7, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

did you hear that crowd just die?

Don’t think I’ve ever heard a stadium go so quiet so fast

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They deserved it after what they did to us on Christmas Eve 2006

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 7, 2008 4:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Norv Turner: I'm Norv Turner, so my team just sucks automatically.

Wow…….how did Delhomme get that one through?

Give me the home, where Buffalo roams, and watch Jones get a hundred yard game.

by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2008 4:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How can they?

His MRI isn’t until tomorrow.

by djafrot on Sep 7, 2008 5:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well there goes 2 of my first round picks

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 7, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs