Nate Burleson Out For Season
by FizzleDrip on Sep 8, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
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Our shallow end just turned into a wading pool as far as WR depth is concerned. This sucks somethin awful. I was rooting hard for him this season, as he is O'Dea's NFL representative.
This is a crushing kick in the nuts to a team that already has a contorted testicle. That early bye is looking better and better.
I hope that Bobby and Deion aren't rushed back too quickly and reinjured. Those young'uns reaallly need to show up this weekend.
Update by John Morgan: No way to twist this into anything good, but I will say I never saw Seattle's offense really relying on Burleson. He's proven himself an inconsistent receiver overvalued for his athleticism and after Sunday, he looked to be the same player in 2008. The question of who steps up is oderous. I want to say Courtney Taylor, and one game hasn't broken my faith in the guy, but the player aside Taylor, Jordan Kent?, is a damn scary prospect indeed. Seattle's overall talent at wide receiver has truly hit the redline.
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where'd you hear this?
I’d only heard short to medium term rumblings
by Will Kier on Sep 8, 2008 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
link?
Assuming this is true, this hurts but is not the end of the world unless branch and engram are rushed back, we have very winnable games on the docket up through the bye week and hopefully then we can look at getting guys back and fixing up the receiving corps.
That said these injuries are really breaking my balls
PP
by armedpp on Sep 8, 2008 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
kill me now
i thought that we had a real shot
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 8, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck is with this attitude?
We are still a 10 win team at minimum
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was dramatic at the time
it could have something to do with the debacle yesterday and that our only reliable offensive players are matt, who now has nobody to throw to, and big walt.
ya, i still think that we’ll win 11 games but still….it’spretty hard to be optimistic right now
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 8, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem yesterday was a failure to adjust to the all-out blitz, which is more of a coaching issue than a talent issue.
A few screens to the backs would have done wonders.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't post something like this without a link.
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by Christian on Sep 8, 2008 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's on the ticker on ESPN
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no link yet
but I heard it from Holmgren’s mouth at the press conference today
by phil26687 on Sep 8, 2008 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also heard it
yeah, holmy was on KJR, said he is done for the year. Also made it sounds like they will look to ads a WR from outside the team.
by Seahawks124 on Sep 8, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Christian, looks like your Steve Smith idea may not be so far fetched now.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it looked really bad when I saw it.
Had the same reaction to it as Brady’s when it happened.
by Matthew on Sep 8, 2008 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I figured.
The way he was clutching his knee after a plant, looked like a tendon.
by John Morgan on Sep 8, 2008 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Moving this to the frontpage?
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by Christian on Sep 8, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
My policy, anyone reports the news, as long as it’s not poorly written, they get the cred.
by John Morgan on Sep 8, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am somehow still not worried.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
replacement
Isn’t Chad Ocho Cinco demanding a trade?
by phil26687 on Sep 8, 2008 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Head case or not, as a fan I can't say I wouldn't be very very excited.
But I don’t see that happening.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was bullshit, by the way, that Reebok denied him the right to wear the Ocho Cinco jersey yesterday.
It is his name, so he has the right to have it on his back.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it either
but it would be exciting…
by phil26687 on Sep 8, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll never forget
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think John Carlson just became Beck's number 1 target
Matt mentioned how he really trusted Carlson yesterday.
by MFAN on Sep 8, 2008 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlson needs some time in the slot
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what happens now?
Sign Bumpus off the practice squad? Trade a pick or two for a WR?
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh please oh please
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by Christian on Sep 8, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumpus probably moves in just by default
But Ruskell said they are looking outside the organization
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we have enough depth at any position to warrant moving a player along with a pick?
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would probably be just picks
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tapp maybe.
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by Christian on Sep 8, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it
Tapp played a ton yesterday
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Babin?
Former 1st round pick, had a good preseason. He wouldn’t be worth as much as Tapp, but we wouldn’t really miss him and he’d be a little bit more incentive to a team along with a draft pick.
by Strang on Sep 8, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Koren Robinson
Don’t call it a comeback!
I'd like to kick Josh Brown in the privates!
by The Manchild on Sep 8, 2008 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be like saying
Rashad Moore or Anthony Simmons is welcome back. Heck Jerramy Stevens.
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by Christian on Sep 8, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Words
Josh Scobey
I’m trying to make light of the situation
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Seneca time, baby.
I live in georegia but i dont see rusia no where not even sound but they says theres tanks should i be worrie-Yahoo Answers
by Phildopip on Sep 8, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It has to be
Please put Seneca in the slot…all we need is 2 weeks.
by m_b on Sep 8, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also assuming we'll see a lot more of Seneca
Frye might have just become the #2 QB
by MFAN on Sep 8, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm having trouble imagining a trade for WR
with Seneca available. it’s a short term need anyway, what with Engram and Branch seriously entering the picture in about 4-5 weeks.
by Will Kier on Sep 8, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Seneca Wallace is suddenly high on your WR depth chart
your team had better be trying to find a WR.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can still call Frye the #3 QB and not have him count against the active roster
He could only play if #1 and #2 are both injured in one game. #2, being on the active roster can still play QB, KR, WR, RB, whatever offensive/special teams position the team wants. Seneca is still #2.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So did anyone else notice Burly ran the same route
that Branch did when he tore his ACL
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I thought of when I saw Burly go down
by ningwers on Sep 8, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
It’s the planting they do. Something coached I think.
by John Morgan on Sep 8, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How was Buffalo's turf after all that rain?
We know GB’s field was a mess when Branch went down. I wonder if Burly hit a sink hole.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the same turf as Qwest.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all agree
this is the time that we see what Ruskell can do.
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by Christian on Sep 8, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
trial by fire.
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by Christian on Sep 8, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When is Deion expected to return?
He did say something about playing week 1…
by Combs on Sep 8, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I say Payne.
Sure it was a tiny sample size, but at least he caught two of the three passes unlike most of the other receivers. I actually think he could be like Jurevicius was in the Half-Dream Season.
"Hole in one, eh?"
by Coach Owens on Sep 8, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But he fumbled one
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did get fricking rocked...so I won't act like it's a big issue for him yet.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Sep 8, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just seems he gets rocked a lot
even in the Pre season. Maybe its just the routes they have him run.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Gilmore is probably a candidate
Not that he’s a good candidate, but he worked in the offense all through training camp and pre-season.
by MFAN on Sep 8, 2008 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lost in all the shuffle is the fact that Morris is going to miss some time
not sure how long, but he will be out.
by MFAN on Sep 8, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That really doesn't bother me a whole lot.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Forsett a similar back?
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I don't think it's a big deal
The Hawks have a ton of depth at RB. I’m not too worried about Mo being out a few weeks.
by MFAN on Sep 8, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking for Forsett to get time
be it a little RB but mainly KR/PR
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Furrey?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh God no.
Just because of the last name no.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, you should get a jersey named "Furrey...STAB STAB STAB"
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Sep 8, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is this like LL where no one cares about my fantasy team?
Cause one of my two teams just lost Burleson and Brady…I’m screwed.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Sep 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It only bothers me in game threads
Where someone says something along the lines of “Boy I’m glad I’ve got Lynch on my fantasy team!”
…after he gouges us for 20 yards.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had lynch and brady
Sunday hurt me on two levels
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by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole point of LL's rule is what I believe is a virtually universal truth:
A lot of people absolutely love fantasy sports, but no one cares about other people’s fantasy teams unless they happen to be in that same league.
I run a keeper baseball league, and I’m playing fantasy football for the first time this year — with two teams. So I’m not some curmudgeon. I love fantasy. But there is virtually nothing less interesting to me than how many points Adrian Peterson got you tonight. So with that, I have to assume that an equal percentage of people (0%) give a damn that the interception Tavaris Jackson threw with 1 minute left in tonight’s game caused me to lose by ONE GODDAMN POINT in one of my leagues!
In my opinion, we’re spoiled by LL’s strict rules in certain areas that tend to annoy or start fights (no fantasy, no religion, no politics, no stating dumb ideas without defending them). But we can’t expect those rules to be applied elsewhere. It’s a nice model, but it only works in a certain environment, I think. Field Gulls is a great, up-and-coming site that probably shouldn’t be alienating anyone. Lookout Landing can afford to tell annoying people to go away. I have to think that applies here.
BUT: I will say that it’s a blast to talk fantasy with people who are in your league. And seeing as how there is apparently a Field Gulls fantasy league, I have no beef with it here.
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And since I’m already on a long rant, let me introduce myself, since I really only started commenting yesterday: I’m Teej. I grew up on Vashon Island but live in San Diego now. I’m a Lookout Landing reader, so that’s how I heard about this site. I love the Hawks, and I’m excited to have another hangout that features some pretty awesome analysis and a lot of the LL regulars with whom I’ve become so familiar. So to John and everyone else: You’re doing a kick-ass job, and keep it up.
Go Hawks!
by Teej on Sep 8, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was totally talking about me
in the last paragraph.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No because football is played once a week
Baseball is every night
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does Seneca now do full time punt returns?
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Sep 8, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Forsett is my guess
since Mo will be unavailable next week
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Kent even back there..unless he's getting the ball he serves no purpose
He can’t block worth a damn.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Sep 8, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor would be the better candidate
he blocks real well, but then again, so does forsett
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by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Keenan McCardell done?
He was at the Skins’ camp last year.
he has WCO experience from Tampa, good possession guy.
Yes, I know he’s 1334 years old.
by djafrot on Sep 8, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him more than Horn
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by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keyshawn Johnson rumors in 3...2....1
We should compile a list of prospective players to look at for trade/signing (realistic of course…I would love to sign Al Martin because of his experience at USC, but we know we can’t take him away from his cancer curing research he undoubtedly is working on)
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Sep 8, 2008 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, definitely gotta be Seneca time now..
I am not one of the usual seahawks fans who thinks Seneca would be an instant pro-bowler or something at WR. I just really like Seneca. I like how he has been a backup who is better than half the starting QB’s in the league for so long. I want to see him on the field making plays and if it has to be at WR so be it.
Also its time to bring back Darrell Jackson.
I am half-serious, this is fun though.
by michaelfox99 on Sep 8, 2008 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Storybook
This just makes for a much more dramatic season as the veteran QB takes three unheard of WR’s under his mighty Seahawk wing and leads them to the Superbowl.
Mark it down.
by kokobware on Sep 8, 2008 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
have an experienced QB taking three inexperienced WR’s under his wing than have a volatile experienced WR taking an inexperienced QB under his wing. I think Moss blows up sometime in the next three weeks and the Patriots absolutely tank in a few weeks. I think that they’ll hold it together for a few weeks, but end the season below 7-9.
I’m just glad that it was Burleson rather than Hasselbeck, not that its not a blow.
by PascoJoe on Sep 8, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Moss won't blow if Cassel looks like he did yesterday
Cassel has a arm on him much like Brady’s. And being a guy that won’t go through his progressions very well he is going to lock in on Moss 60% of the time.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAntasy success
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ernest Wilford?
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate this game
If I can spin a positive on this, the Rams and 49ers were getting shredded on defense, so Engram and Branch can very well come back in time for the Giants game.
But I hate this I hate this I hate this.
I hope Arizona tanks it.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's how I see it
Taylor, Kent, Payne, Seneca.
Nullify Payne if Branch is ready to play.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Um since Burly will go on IR
someone else will come into that spot. Unless they wait a week to cut someone because the have 55 right now
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, actually I forgot about that
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alrighty, now...
…if I hear one more time about how Holmgren is going to keep Seneca on the bench just in case Hass gets a boo-boo, I’m going to personally fly to Seattle and kick him in his big ass. We need a goddam wide receiver just a little bit more than a clipboard holder right now.
by FuriousBlue on Sep 8, 2008 4:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've got a better idea
Fly to Seattle and help us in receiver position. ;-)
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I'm concerned, Seneca is more of a novelty at WR than an asset.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the catch he had against Carolina
End of story…..give me my prize.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, if you say so.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One catch is about as useful as 10 at-bats is in baseball.
It’s an irrelevant window that tells you very little about that player’s ability.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you wonder why people think you're a god damn retard
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you just hunt for me?
If the answer is yes, then go the heck away.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm too used to LL where this guy and some of the other clowns would've been banned long ago.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but what is LL?
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mariner Sister Blog to FG
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember him looking much less impressive in the other action at WR that he's seen.
by Robert on Sep 8, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the catch vs the Saints?
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably unduly mean but it does help illustrate the point...
"If you fell into the trap of "The Panthers are going to be really good because Delhomme is healthy", you should stop watching football. "
from here.
by niko on Sep 8, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Panther’s Oline looked very capable vs. SD. They ran better than they threw, IMO – over 5ypc.
by Misfit74 on Sep 8, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grrr......so that's where some of these hits are coming from?
At least I called a Falcons upset…..I’ll get my coat.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You missed the point
You seem to believe that one game is enough to completely disprove your initial assertion. If that’s the case, then you’re allowing yourself to be too easily swayed by a single game (read: small sample size) and even more so by a single play in the case of Seneca.
Stick me on a football field at wide receiver for enough plays and I’ll make a stellar one eventually and I’m 5’9", overweight and slow. Law of averages says it could even happen on my first play.
I’m more on the side of Brian here, that Seneca’s a novelty item until he proves otherwise. He has the potential for it, yes, but hasn’t shown any refined skills to date.
Granted, you would have proved my point better had you decided to stand by your initial assertion that Delhomme is still a rotten pile of QB stank. Either way, it’s the knee-jerk reaction to everything that’s drawing you so much attention.
All that to say exactly what Brian said in one sentence. Sigh.
by niko on Sep 8, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get it
The one thing that concerns me about Seneca is not his ability to catch, but he is a fumbling fool. He can catch, he can get yards after the catch, and he fumbles a lot…..which is no different than what Burleson does only Seneca is shorter.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't know if he can catch or get YAC either.
He’s played a handful of snaps at WR. That tells you absolutely nothing.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
To boot, this perceived fumbling problem has been witnessed while scrambling which is a distinctly different style of running than while RAC.
Then there’s the David Tyree catch, which was pretty similar in difficulty to Seneca’s catch against Carolina. IIRC, he’s had trouble making the roster just about every year in the league.
And other than the Carolina catch, I remember all of Seneca’s catches being pretty straight-forward.
A list of examples, nary a sniff of a cohesive thought or argument. You regular LLers are a step above the rest of us.
by niko on Sep 8, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re-reading all of that, it was unduly mean
My point is this. I read the majority of the content on this site, whether it’s fanposts, john’s content or comments. I can say pretty confidently that you’re one the more enthusiastic observers and supporters out there. And dear god, you have a lot to say. But when talking about football, things need to not be spoken so often in absolutes. There’s a time and place for that and it usually paints the picture of your scruffy, beer-gutted football fan watching the Seahawks in their Chris Warren jersey at the local dive joint on Sundays with the same group of people for the last 15 years. This is a great place to discuss football but discussion means listening and analyzing a rebuttal.
by niko on Sep 8, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that was towards me.....I think I'd be in the Juvenile Center if caught with beer so fail!
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my god.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah......really.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes when you are unsure of things you either need to state them as a question or say "I think"
Rather than assume your opinion is true. I’ve noticed this to be very very common at FG so far this year. It’s not question/answer here right now. It’s a bunch of people flipping out over the littlest things or coming up with baseless opinions that “prove” they’re right or that the season is over, or they use backwards logic to prove how their predictions are right, and try to be smug and snooty about it.
This is a discussion. Don’t be smug and snooty, ask questions, state your opinion, but don’t act shitty about it.
I realize this is basically what you just said, but I felt the point really needs to be driven home. This place is becoming like the PI blog or USSM before DMZ and Dave started deleting comments.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I understand that
But go back to the 1st half thread, please count how many people said game over or wait till next season…….yet most of the “Shut the fu*ck ups” were directed towards me and occasionally Chris Hansen, nothing more. I found it quite unfair.
But alas, I’ll move on, and I THINK that it shouldn’t be discussed here.
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by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you get a lot of leeway with people here after that Lofa injury stunt.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's fine now, it really doesn't make sense to stay angry foe that.
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by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a consequence for every action you take, especially on an internet community.
The fallout for pulling that particular prank is that some people think you’re a dickish jerk. Fair or not, that’s what happens.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was funny
All it would take to disprove that is go on some sports website. You’d know right away. I think all the angry comments about it were undue considering, well, you are on the internet and in case you didn’t know, the internets is serious business.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long till we institute the box?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett you have to relax a little bit.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Brett if you want to hit me up on IM
Go for it. AIM name is scruffylefty (go figure) and I’m on during work hours.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will do. I don't mean to be so harsh
Just most of the carryover from LL is used to a certain type of community with certain behaviors not being tolerated. It seems like here the community is much less informed and performs all the annoying internet behavior no longer tolerated on LL. It surprises me because of how knowledgeable John is about the game, and John tries to promote intelligent, respectful discussion. And it’s frustrating to see people act the way they do here after all John’s done to make this such a great community. Just rent Graham for a game thread and most of the crap will go away, I’m sure. That seems to be something that pushes the crap away from LL
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But LL has also enlightened a lot of the non thickheaded people (including me)
who thought saber stats were a joke. What John does for football analysis is a lot like the beginning of Sabermetrics. There is more to football then what we hear on the Sunday morning countdown or what some drunk yells out in a bar.
We have a growing community and I don’t want to start alienating people just cause they have different opinions or may be “thickheaded”. I want the olds choolers that call us football nerds to come here and realize there is something new to learn. And for that to happen we might have to put up with some attitudes for a little bit.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said, and here here
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last thing I want is a Nazi
I don’t know the guy, and I’m not a big enough Mariners fan to frequent LL, but you haven’t painted him in a very desirable light. You know what our profile pics look like, if you don’t want to read us then by all means please don’t. I think we’d do just as well, or better than we are now, with shitty little quips than scathing, pissed off critiques of some of our less than witty moments.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LL guys are great
They had to go through a lot though. But they are defiantly not Blog Nazis.
Problem was Jeff was by himself and then his blog blew up. So they had to do a bunch of cleaning afterwards.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Good to hear.
I’m still not convinced you’re a total asshole Brett. You’re fairly clever w. commentary and bring up some interesting points now and then, I just think you could back off, or at least less blunt.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to the LL community standards,
I don’t know if there is another online sports community like it. It’s a really intriguing model to study, and it’s truly staggering the quantity of user interaction there. So it’s pretty much unique.
LL’ers need understand that, and be mindful of the fact, when venturing out in the The Great Wide Internets, populated by thickheaded buffoons like myself. I really like the style at LL, but it’s definitely niche and an acquired taste.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Sep 9, 2008 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're a god damn cult at LL
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 9, 2008 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But interestingly, there are no FBI raids
or underage marriages. At least, none of which I am aware…
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Sep 9, 2008 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chick
The problem was at the time there was no proof that he was ok.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
that said there was still none that he wasn’t. It wouldn’t have been a prank if it didn’t make you doubt for the briefest of moments. You can’t trust anyone that’s not accredited or that has nothing to lose by being wrong.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's because what you were saying was retarded.
We were within our rights to tell you guys to shut the fuck up.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so 7 people say it, yet I'm one of few that gets chewed out
W/E, let’s focus on the WR position.
Anyone else think that we should sign a receiver and at the same time cut Payne? I think we should get at least some form of experience on there with some form of quality. I have no faith in Payne but I still have some hope for Taylor and Kent. Jordan dropped some passes but sadly the game was already irrelevant in the 4th. Courtney Taylor sucked, but as you guys said, it’s 1 game and the Bills dropped a lot of passes.
Or just activate Bumpus instead?
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the only one still talking. That's why we chew you out.
Keep this schtick up and I would guess you won’t be long for this blog.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 8, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^This comment is needlessly cruel
and non-productive. I don’t see a single positive purpose to it, unless you’re under the impression that less interaction is good for the community. I simply disagree with that premise.
How hard would it have been to respond to the post itself, rather than carry on your crusade against the author? Something along the lines of:
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Yes, it would appear that some veteran experience is needed pretty badly on this roster at the WR position. There are a few factors which complicate the situation, however.
Firstly, we run a WCO, which is an unfamiliar system to many WR’s and requires a slightly different skillset than most offense types. Greater emphasis on YAC and possession skills, for example, compared to AC offenses which are more about speed and separation downfield. This makes finding a good fit a little bit more difficult, and when you add in the fact that the WCO depends so much on timing and the working relationship between QB and WR, the incubation period is pretty long for a guy who is new to the system. This just decreases the total number of viable/valuable WR’s out there.
Secondly, we’ve got our bye weeks pretty early in the season, and it’s not like the schedule is incredibly difficult between now and then, so while adding depth and experience is a plus at any time, now is quite literally the best time to do nothing, if you’re going to have any period that you do nothing this year.
Third, we’ve got some injured veterans returning who fit our offensive mold perfectly. So it’s not like we’re really looking for long-term solutions at the position as of right now, so anyone we do acquire will likely be on the bubble after those vets return.
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Look, I’m not trying to pick a fight. But you’ve got to understand that when you’re outside of LL, you’re the abnormal one if you believe that’s how online interaction should be. If you want this blog to resemble that one (which is a perfectly admirable desire, as far as I’m concerned) then you’ve got to start at the beginning of the growth curve and be patient. Not cynical and full of snark full-time.
Help educate people instead of trying to find ways of shutting them up.
p.s. – I’m no football expert, in fact, most of what I’ve learned of the game comes from this blog, and Madden NFL on my Playstation. Any factual inaccuracies herein should be ignored, pitited, snickered at, or any combination thereof.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Sep 9, 2008 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sub-thread wasn't about the WR it was about the community...
The comments are nested for a reason and this subject had branched off for a reason.
I’m not looking to pick a fight either but he was playing the “oh you only pick ME card” which isn’t true. I was just trying to let him know WHY people have been picking on him, which he doesn’t seem to be listening to. We’re not singling him out, and I’m not crusading against him, I feel like it’s just common sense to not be so pushy and treat your opinions as fact. That’s my beef, and I don’t think I handled it in a particularly rude way.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Sep 9, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, what the LLer said
Someday I’ll be so eloquent and witty.
by niko on Sep 8, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT IS LL?
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lookout Landing, the mariners blog on SBN
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If what you are saying is that you have confidence in Fry should Matt’s back or another injury causes him to miss games? Matt missing time is certainly is possible, given how the line played yesterday.
I’m in the camp that believes Seneca is a huge, no, HUGE upgrade over Frye. We can’t lose him to injury, but I wouldn’t mind him in a a few plays at WR. No returns for Seneca.
by Misfit74 on Sep 8, 2008 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that seneca is better
but I think seneca is kinda maxed as a QB. I see alot more potential in Frye. Even on Madden ’09 Seneca is rated @ 81, Frye 80. So some experts may agree w. me.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Horn anyone?
crickets
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by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you can take those thoughts over to the newstribune blog
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can also cure cancer, but neither will happen. ;-)
I wouldn’t mind D-Jack as long as he plays like he did in 2005.
Obviously my signature will tell you the opposite of what will actually happen. So 49ers 43 Seahawks 9.
by SSreporters on Sep 8, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had a long hard day...
and not like, oh boo-hoo my works sucks, but like I have a family member who isn’t doing well. I just don’t have time to hound you man. You’re not getting it that being insipid and provocative are irritating and hurts the Field Gulls community. So consider this a chill the eff out ban, to be removed after one week.
by John Morgan on Sep 8, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fighting aside...
D-JACK and K-ROB REUNION!!!! PLUS JERRY RICE!!!! PLUS ALEX BANNISTER!!!! FREAKIN RECREATE 04!!!! FTW!!!!
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 8, 2008 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I can handle that many drops.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Alex Bannister running poor slant routes
Although he was a ST stud
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...memories of those slant routes...
I think I just threw up a little bit.
by BrianL on Sep 8, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
total special teams ace. just like josh scobey, who i’ve seen pop up in your comments and stuff lately. you’re the first person that i’ve seen recognizing his gift other than me. god, i was so stoked when we signed him last year.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Sep 9, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To bad his career is pretty much over.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 9, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'll be back tomorrow.
Life called. Sorry.
by John Morgan on Sep 8, 2008 7:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
take care of that
it’s waaaaaaay more important than ‘woe is us’ on the first Monday of the season…
by phil26687 on Sep 8, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not its not :)
jk John. Do what you need to do and I hope all is well.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see your house today by the way scruff
I was atop Mt Constitution on Orcas Island.
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you going to Eastern?
Your a far way from school. If you could see Lake Whatcom thats where I grew up and if you could see the Port of Bellingham then you were probably looking right at me.
You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 8, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
School starts on the 19th
Right now is family vacation. Well minus my brother. So Dad, Mom, and I hit the San Juans for some R&R while the children are in school. They’re originally from Kenmore and Wedgewood/Bryant around Seattle and have memories they’d like to share with me.
It was the Port I was looking at. Constitution is the highest point in all the San Juans so look NNW and you’ll see where I was :)
I was the poor bastard that had Tom Brady on my Field Gulls fantasy football team.
by Chickadee on Sep 8, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeesh!
The only thing that has ever impressed me about Burly was his return game, but with this receiving core already in shambles, he is a big loss.
Carlson looks good and we need to use him more. I don’t know enough about football for any WR replacement options, but I would think there would be plenty of options in the free agent pool considering the attrition rate in the league. We don’t need a longterm replacement, just someone competent enough to run routes to open up the running game.
We badly need to get to our bye week 2-1. It’s definitely too early to write this season off, especially being in the NFC West, but we are on the brink of disaster after watching the game on Sunday. Our defense is competent, but our offense is shaky and special teams needs A LOT of work. It will be interesting to see how the Hawks respond against lesser teams these next two weeks.
by Wilder. on Sep 8, 2008 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully we make those ‘lesser teams’ look that way. The 12th man should be in full force and that should help.
by Misfit74 on Sep 8, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well this thread really blew up
Let’s just get this out of the way now. D-jack is not coming back (he has a team), Koren is not coming back, Joe Horn is washed up garbage.
by MFAN on Sep 8, 2008 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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