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The Curious Case of Davone Bess

I almost called this post “The Curious Case of Kevin Boss”, but Bess is more current. You may know him as the Dolphins’ best possession receiver down the stretch; he’s also the guy who caught a touchdown pass against the Baltimore Ravens (no mean feat) in Week 7 on a cute little combo route. He might very well do it again this weekend. Bess finished the regular season 49th in DYAR, which isn’t bad for a rookie in an offense that features tight ends as well as any in the league – Bess’ DYAR is the highest among ‘Fins receivers. (Conversely, Koren Robinson led the Seahawks in DYAR at 68th; he was the only starter above league average). Bess came on strong late, catching 54 passes total and enjoying the second most prolific undrafted rookie season in catches in NFL history (Wayne Chrebet topped him with 66 catches in 1995). He’s a smallish guy who isn’t afraid to go inside.

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I have two fundamental issues with Tim Ruskell’s draft strategy. The first, which is his desire to have “ready-made” players at every position, leads to things like taking David Greene in the third round due to a love for the Quarterback Wins stat (argh). I’ll touch more on this subject later in the pre-draft process. My second – and most vociferous – opposition to Ruskell’s M.O. has to do with his bias against small schools. Granted, Hawaii isn’t exactly Towson State as far as being on the radar, but there are players like Bess and Kevin Boss who should have been on the Seahawks’ radar far more than they were. Why were they not? A small-school bias that is very, very real.

There’s no doubt that John Carlson was the prize of Ruskell’s 2008 draft, but what about Kevin Boss? The best blocking tight end in the league came out of Western Oregon in 2007 and was snapped up in the fifth round by new Giants GM Jerry Reese, who hit jackpot after jackpot in his rookie season with guys like Boss and Ahmad Bradshaw from Marshall. When he spoke at the 2008 Combine just a few weeks after New York’s Super Bowl win, Reese discussed the importance of the Combine in evaluating players from smaller schools. The importance of thinking outside the box. That the key to winning in the draft is the ability to project undersold players in later rounds. As he said, the second day is where you earn your salary.

I look at this year’s bowl games, and sort out what I think the priorities might be, and I feel a frustration in the knowledge that there are certain players who probably won’t get a look from this organization because they didn’t go to Georgia or Auburn.  And given the rebuild that I believe Ruskell’s in for, I think that’s a major miscalculation.

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Tim Ruskell loves "Quarterback Wins"?

That’s disturbing and surprising. Charlie Frye was 21-25 at Akron.

by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

I was always under the assumption

that Holmgren was heavily involved in personell decisions for the offense. Seems odd that Ruskell would be picking QB’s for Holmgren.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 1, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, one odd thing about the 2005 Seahawks draft was that there were two boards — one from the previous (Ted Thompson/Scot McCloughan) regime,and one from Ruskell when he came in right around the Combine. It was a big merge. I remember writing early on about his interest in SEC scouting, which leads me to believe that Greene was far more his guy than Homgren’s.

by Doug Farrar on Jan 1, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember hearing that Zorn really liked Greene?

I’ve always felt that TR takes a lot of input from the coaches when finally pulling the trigger in the war room.

That was a weird draft for QB’s anyway. Smith was a shaky #1. Rogers & Cambell slid to the end of round 1. After that, no QB’s went till round 3 when there was a mini-run on guys like Walter, so then they pulled the trigger on Greene, and no other QB’s went until like the 6th or 7th round.

I never really understood all the uproar about the Greene pick at the time. Most draft reports pegged him with a 3rd/4th round grade, so it’s not like he was a major reach. He had a skill set that seemed like a decent fit for our offense, and back-up QB was a minor need at the time, since Dilfer had left and nobody really knew what Wallace was all about.

Yeah, he flamed out, but it happens. It looks bad in retrospect because practically every QB taken after that draft (Orton, Fitzpatrick, Anderson & now Cassell) have had a better pro career … but it’s not like any of those guys looked like better prospects at the time.

I don’t really think we can tell much about TR’s MO for QB’s just off of Greene. It was an isolated circumstance.

by jteckmann on Jan 1, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Holmgren small-school...

Anton Palepoi was Holmgren’s, right. The only other guy I really see from his tenure as GM, (unless I’m confused) from a small school is T Wayne Hunter. I guess Holmgren didn’t have the same or same level of bias. Not that he nailed either of those selections…

by Misfit74 on Jan 1, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

How concerned is Ruskell about ready made players?

Obviously ready made recievers aren’t his style, but outside of that he’s drafted several project players. Red Bryant, Baraka Atkins, Mansfield Wrotto, Steve Vallos, and Ray Willis were all players that required time to develop. And how much did the terrible defense that Ruskell inherited and the window of opportunity that we had the last few years factor into his desire for players that could step in right away?

As for the small school bias, how much is he really giving up on? Obviously very good players come out of small schools but they’re the majority. Better talent goes to bigger schools. And how consistently is a GM going to be able to pull a Boss or Bradshaw out of the draft? It seems like over the long haul a team is going to strike out more often than hit the jackpot of those players.

I’ve got a little bit of an issue knocking Ruskell for passing on guys like Bess when every other team did too. I don’t want to take anything away from Miami for picking up Bess, they most likely targetted him and went and got him and he’s turned out well for them. But if they really expected him to be this good wouldn’t they have, you know, drafted him?

by Nate Dogg on Jan 1, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

Best players at big schools?

That’s probably decent intuition in the first round. Those are, for the most part, five-star high school all-american types and guys who were stars at big schools. All things equal they’re better than everybody else, so not surprisingly they dominate the top of the draft.

As you get deeper into the draft I think the “big school players are better” intuition is misleading. You’re comparing guys who were “glue guys” at BCS schools to stars at lower-tier schools, which is often why they went to the lower-tier school. Overall, with the scholarship limits I’m not sure that the difference in the caliber of players is quite that big once you get past the top 20% at the big schools.

I saw a guy this year, a DE playing for Richmond in the DII championship game, Steve Sidbury is the name I think. He was the best pass rusher I saw this year. He may be a third down specialist (a la KGB). I know he’s not playing against top OTs every week, but this guy’s skills translate. The quality of the competition he faced week to week is a weak predictor of his NFL potential. Lots of great pass rushers have come from small schools. And a number of teams have done quite well at small schools in the later rounds with regularity. Baltimore and Tennessee come immediately to mind. Their first round picks tend to be from big schools, but on late day 1 and into day 2 both teams take a fair number of players from lower-tier FBS conferences and from FCS schools.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 1, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

But how can you tell

how good any player is unless you know something about who they are going up against? How can the quality of opponent ever be a weak predictor? The main reason any GM is going to favor big school players is because they can see how the player fared against good players. This is much much harder to accomplish with small school players. Almost the only time you’ll see them play against relatively a quality opponent is in some kind of Senior Bowl.

by VBJohnson on Jan 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree about how much you need head-to-head...

Briefly, you don’t have to dismiss performance against weak competition. It’s informative as long as you discount it by factoring in all the appropriate variables. But Ruskell dismisses performance against weaker competition outright. Had Lofa Tatupu stayed at Maine he’d have had no shot with Ruskell, even in the 6th or 7th round. Sure, SC’s staff made him a more complete LB but but the talent was the same at Maine.
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(For a more long-winded treatise, because like Doug, Ruskell’s small school bias really bothers me a lot, read on…)

First, it’s a fair generalization to say “big FBS conference schools produce the most talent,” but it’s an overgeneralization to the point of stereotyping to take a “FBS school or bust” approach. Especially fourth round onward. The thing is, it’s fairly straightforward (though not easy) to make opponent adjustments in scouting—easiest on defense, which Ruskell privileges in the draft. Opponent adjustments in football may not be as formulaic as in baseball and basketball, but people do it all the time—just not Ruskell.

Second, so much of defense is athleticism, technique, and play recognition, which mostly show up live, on film, or both regardless of opponent. Athleticism can be misleading on film, but traditional scouting is good for getting at that. Pass rushing, for instance, is one area where if you have certain skills (namely moves and countermoves), and have the requisite athleticism, you can play in the league. Lots of the league’s great contemporary pass rushers went to small schools. Just sticking to the post-LT period I can think of Michael Strahan (Texas Southern), DeMarcus Ware and Osi Umenyiora (Troy), and Jared Allen (Idaho State) without trying hard. This guy I saw at Richmond, Sidbury, has moves and countermoves; he’s not just doing it with a quick first step or just a hustle guy. He will be able to rush the passer in the NFL. I don’t if know he can do anything else, but NFL caliber pass rush skill was apparent; not because he beat some stiff RT but because of how he did it.

Now, I could see where opponent adjustments are probably super important for QBs. You almost have to see a QB play against NFL caliber defenders to get a clue of how he might react to NFL game speed. Not surprisingly, good QBs rarely hail from outside the traditional top 50-type programs. But most positions I don’t think require all that. It helps, but it’s not absolutely necessary to see a prospect OT play head up against another prospect DT to evaluate him. Tennessee and Baltimore have made a good living getting guys from small schools to step in and play right away, on defense especially.
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(Okay now I’m just thinking out loud…)
My big point is that school size (or conference strength) isn’t necessarily a great indicator of quality once you get past the VERY best players. That’s the big logical flaw in Ruskell’s unwillingness to entertain FCS/small college players. Virtually all the top recruits go to the football factories. Check out the table in this analysis (http://www.rockmnation.com/2008/12/16/688385/gary-pinkel-vs-ou-texas-do). You’ll see that since 2002 almost 65% of the Rivals five-star recruits—the people most likely to become first round picks—are soaked up by just 10 programs. Everybody else is fighting for the table scraps. Caveat: just because Rivals rates a kid five-star doesn’t mean he becomes a superstar or that some two- and three-star kids don’t turn out to be studs. But that’s kinda the point. Unless you’re one of those ten super-schools you’re generally trying to find diamonds in the rough. Scholarship limits and the imperfect nature of recruiting itself insures that a reasonable number of the three- and two-star recruits that fashion themselves into NFL caliber talent, like Tatupu, will play at FCS and lower-tier FBS programs.

I just can’t see ignoring them the way Ruskell does.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 2, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems odd and maybe even counterintuitive that Ruskell doesn't pick guys from small schools.

After all, I think of him as a late round ‘hidden gem’ kind of guy, who looks for guys who may be a bit undersized or slow, but can nevertheless compete at a high level in the NFL. Those kinds of guys are obviously at big time schools like USC or Notre Dame, but I’d be more impressed (and I feel like he’d like the challenge more since he appreciates undervalued players) if he got some guys out of places like Tulane, NIU, Memphis, etc. (and those aren’t even that small of schools like Western Oregon).

by LantermanC on Jan 1, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

This is better use of the front page then what I posted last night

You may gain some yards on the ground, but eventually Lofa will end up biting you in the ass.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 1, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

I coudn't help but notice

that that post has gone missing Scruffy!

by ciarannh on Jan 2, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn right it is

Mr. “jhon is gnhonna ban me” >_>

by Fearless Frog on Jan 2, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

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