The Market for Jovan Haye

by John Morgan on Jan 27, 2009 1:52 PM PST

...Just got smaller by one. New Tampa Bay defensive coordinator Jim Bates run contain system demands two gap tackles. Like his time under Dave Wannstedt, he's playing second banana under new head coach Raheem Morris and may have to flex to his head coaches wishes, but his hiring alone implies a probable shift or at least adjustment of system. If Tampa's out, then the market for Jova Haye's is really quite small.

Consider:

Tony Dungy retired. His successor, Jim Caldwell, is a Tampa 2 proponent, but likely not as strict as Dungy. Dungy and Monte Kiffin form the original two and the true standard bearers of the system. Indianapolis is still a potential destination for Haye, but every so slightly less so.

Minnesota and Buffalo are set at defensive tackle. Chicago, is set at the three tech.

Herm Edwards and Rod Marinelli were fired from the Chiefs and Lions, respectively.

Green Bay is switching to a 3-4.

The market for Haye's services could be Seattle and Seattle alone. Even if Caldwell keeps the Tampa 2 intact, Indy has decent depth at defensive tackle, especially single-gap, three tech type tackles. If the market for Haye is soft, Seattle would be foolhardy not to pursue him. Jovan Haye as rocket-fueled Ellis Wyms makes me smile, makes me think that each time the Tampa 2 "dies", it becomes that much more vital to Seattle's defensive resurgence.

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that last point about the Tampa2 "dying" was something I was thinking about

I kind of don’t mind the idea of using a defense no one else does… as other teams’ offenses re-tool to match up to 3-4’s (or whatever), they’ll have to gameplan specifically for us.

And the advantages of being the only spot where certain players can go are obvious.

by djafrot on Jan 27, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions

So if the Hawks were to sign Haye

Is he starting material at the UT next to Mebane?

Better than current day Rocky?

Does he have the upside of 2005 Rocky?

Honestly all I know about Haye is that he looks pretty cool with those cut-off sleeves and tats.

by puerto on Jan 27, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions

Size

“Bucs DT Jovan Haye (knee) didn’t make the team flight to Carolina for Monday night’s game. Ryan Sims, who offers quite a bit more size at 6’4/315 to Haye’s 6’2/285, could actually be an upgrade against DeAngelo Williams and the Panthers’ high octane run game. Sims won’t be a big threat to collapse the pocket.” -Tampa Tribune

The question is: how will this guy hold up against the run with his relatively light frame? Rotational pass-rusher or regular starter next to ‘Bane? Will we suffer with him in there on running plays, I wonder. It seems big, mauling lines have brutalized our interior run defense in the past. I’d hate to see that again.

Maybe it’s a perception about our defense being ‘light’ coming to mind. You can’t always count on lighter, faster guys making plays in the backfield. I guess I don’t really know what to think. I need more information.

by Misfit74 on Jan 27, 2009 2:28 PM PST reply actions