Adam Schefter reports Rod Marinelli is talking with Seahawks for D Coordinator

by Seahawks CHS on Jan 4, 2009 4:51 PM PST Comment 33 comments

http://post-gazette.screamingsports.com/en/articles/view_article.aspx?a=667873

EDIT: Heres another article

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/2009/01/seahawks-rod-marinelli-speaking-with.html

Just get Marshall outa here!!! and why does this have to be 75 words? I really wanted to make a Fanpost and it wont let me unless I have 75 words? Anyways...Do you think Rod Marinelli would suit us better? Do you think he is a good coach? Personally I think he is a good guy but im not sure if he is a good coach because I haven't really followed him much. Thoughts?

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in fairness to him

The Matt Millen Lions might be the new Al Davis Raiders in terms of sucking the soul out of talent. What did he do in Tampa Bay?

by Will Kier on Jan 4, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Well

All I know is that he was a D-line coach for them. I believe he groomed the likes of Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp, not a bad company.

by Seahawks CHS on Jan 4, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Rice was a Cardinal for five seasons before signing with Tampa

Marinelli can claim no credit for Rice’s play.

In the future, use a “FanShot” if you don’t have 75 words of content. That’s their purpose.

by John Morgan on Jan 4, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

My bad.

by Seahawks CHS on Jan 4, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

nit: "could", not "might"

I don’t know if it’s true whether Lions talent could be better elsewhere.

by Will Kier on Jan 4, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's the first time I've seen someone nitpick their own grammar.

by John Morgan on Jan 4, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

same

I re-read over my posts and comments for about 5 minutes trying to figure out where I went wrong lol

by Seahawks CHS on Jan 4, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You should've seen

Phildopip back in the day. He was grammar-nazi legend.

by jimmimoose on Jan 4, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

as dline coach

I’m pretty sure Tampa Bay lead the league in sacks a few times.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 4, 2009 5:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Marinelli

Was around for the halcyon days of the creation of Tampa’s elite defenses, right? Including their 2002 defense, which I still believe ranks as one of the top two or three defenses all-time on FO DVOA metrics.

The man obviously didn’t have a lot of success in his last stop, but considering that we’ve got a defense-minded coach in Baby Mora anyway, I think if Marinelli can work some magic with a couple of players (Lojack, anyone?), then he might be worth giving a position.

by jimmimoose on Jan 4, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

At this point anyone is better than Marshall

So roll out the red carpet for Marinelli

It's great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Jan 5, 2009 6:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

This has the feeling of inevitability to me

RM was obviously part of the Tampa defenses whose basic approach Ruskell likes. I see this as mutual interests colliding.

So you have few if any transition problems than you might have with a coordinator coming out of a different system. The only real issues are probably money and putting together a defensive staff.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 5, 2009 6:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'll say this about Marinelli in Detroit...

…He was handed a giant vat of roster poo-poo and handed an impossible situation with more class than most people would have. I wouldn’t mind the hire at all.

by Doug Farrar on Jan 5, 2009 7:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

2nd

The way he carried himself in the press conferences I watched was impressive, especially considering his situation. I never heard him throw anyone under the bus or make excuses, just continually take responsibility for the way his team played. I would love to see him as part of our new staff carrying forward.

by vanrijn on Jan 5, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

as long as he doesn't have another daughter looking to marry Al Davis

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by abender20 on Jan 5, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought he was very classy.

I also think a terrible defense declined to a legendarily bad defense under his watch.

by John Morgan on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right, but...

…the personnel decisions didn’t help either. Take Shaun Rogers out: Epic fail. Trade for Leigh Bodden, Man Cornerback, and put him in a zone: Epic Fail. That was like Jason David in reverse. The Lions were so badly run, I’m willing to give Marinelli the same pass I would if he had had prior success in baseball, but then managed the 2008 Seattle Mariners. We’re talking about historic incompetence here.

by Doug Farrar on Jan 5, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

These are all very good points...

but I’d feel a lot better if his team were 3-13 or something, as opposed to 0-16. You figure a fairly good coach, could at least muster up 2 wins or something, though it’s possible that Detroit was a 3 win team, but was unlucky? I have no clue since I didn’t watch any of their games except for the thanksgiving one.

by LantermanC on Jan 5, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

HC/DC = huge difference.

If the Seahawks were looking at Marinelli as head coach, or Joe Barry as defensive coordinator, I could see using the 0-16 argument. I did some X-and-O stuff for Scout.com’s Packers site this year, and one of the games I wrote about was GB-DET. Aside from Calvin Johnson and Kevin Smith, I didn’t see much on that roster. Seriously — you couldn’t swing a cat without hitting three great tackles in the first round of last year’s draft, and the Lions traded out of Ryan Clady to get Gosder Cherilus. “Stupid” is an understatement.

Now, there is the inverse argument — the Seahawks don’t have Warren Sapp or Simeon Rice on their roster. But we know that Ruskell wants to build this thing from the front seven out, and now he can do whatever the heck he wants. To me, a Marinelli move says something about the interior line, and how the draft and free agency will go.

by Doug Farrar on Jan 5, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't you think Marinelli, who determined the scheme and no doubt had input in the personnel...

had something to do with trading Shaun Rogers—clearly not a Tampa 2 type defensive tackle —and playing Bodden against his strengths? Scheming against personnel is a Cardinal sin for a coach. I’m sure Marinelli could have told Millen that Bodden would struggle playing the zone. I’ve read much about Millen’s incompetence, but never about him being a bully or tyrant. I believe he was known for deferring too much to his coaches. If Marinelli attempts to institute a Tampa 2 in Seattle, it’s going to be eleven Leigh Boddens, all talented, all poorly fit for the system. Kelly Jennings is like the antithesis of a Tampa 2 corner. For all the crap flung at John Marshall, Seattle looked its best playing Marshall’s zone blitz system and its worst sitting back in zones and relying on pressure from the front four.

by John Morgan on Jan 5, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's quite possible...

…but I don’t know how that front office worked. Certainly, as you say, there would have to be concessions to either scheme or personnel.

by Doug Farrar on Jan 5, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This is my biggest worry about Marinelli

Initially I really liked the idea of bringing him in and passed off his poor record and having Millen as a GM and not being a good head coach a la Cam Cameron. But the more you look at his time in Detroit the more he looks like a sponge that soaked up a lot of Tampa 2 ideas from the people that thought them up but with very little innovation of his own.

If you gave him a team built to run a tampa defense I’m sure he’d run it well but what is he going to do if that talent isn’t there? History says he’ll just force it.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He was out of his dpth as a HC

especially considering he’d never even been a defensive co-ordinator before being handed the worst team in nfll history. Put him together with another good defensive mind in Mora and it’ll be very interesting to see what sort of schemes they come up with for next year though. It would certainly be an improvement over this seasons Marshall show anyway

by ciarannh on Jan 5, 2009 8:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hey Doug

If Marinelli was the ’Hawks DC, would he run the Tampa 2, or would there be more variations?

by Jo-Jo on Jan 5, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

And...

To piggyback, I’m curious how many of our players actually fit the Tampa 2, especially looking at our CBs. We always talk about how we really don’t have the front 4 for it, but I don’t know that Trufant and Jennings really fit the mold either, Josh Wilson might kinda fit it, despite his short stature he plays like he’s taller.

by cashless on Jan 5, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We really don't have the safety personnel for that package. That was really the root of that question.

If they are going to run a classic Tampa 2 then they desperately need to fix the Brian Russell problem.

by Jo-Jo on Jan 5, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Russell defies scheme.

I think anyone would be hard pressed to think of five players on Seattle’s standing roster that fit a Tampa 2.

by John Morgan on Jan 5, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

and I don’t want to open a can of “beating a dead horses ass named Russell,” but I believe that he is exceptionally poor as a cover-2 safety.

by Jo-Jo on Jan 5, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Branch would be very good in a Tampa 2. Well, working against it in practice. Against our roster of non-Tampa 2 guys.

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by abender20 on Jan 5, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Marinelli

1) Marinelli stayed poised under a lot of scrutiny.
2) Not only did he not throw his players under the bus, but THEY did never threw HIM under the bus either. They all seemed to like playing for him, and it doesn’t look like he ever lost his locker room, which may be the most telling thing about his character.

by Azimeir on Jan 5, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I agree he was very classy when he was with the Lions. But is he too soft? In my opinion our defense is kind of soft now and I would like to get a strict coach. I don’t know much about Marinelli, is he more of a players coach or is he more of a strict type of coach?

by Seahawks CHS on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

From what I understand...

He’s a disciplinarian.

As for being too soft… The Tampa 2 is known for small, quick defensive linemen rather than big strong defensive lineman and has a rep for being tough against the pass and a little light in the ass against the run.

by Azimeir on Jan 5, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs