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Agog Over Jake Locker Open Thread

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Watch why no one should draft Jevan Snead.

Watch Tim Tebow. Be healed.

Watch Jake Locker. I can't.

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Great googly moogly

didn’t see the game, but I HAVE seen Crompton.

Wow.

Now, I’m not one to gossip, and you didn’t hear this from me… but…

Has anyone done less with more than Richt? Maybe just those of us down here in the deep South are inundated every year with how great Georgia is going to be, and they are a perennial disappointment. I kinda thought they might be rebuilding this year but yeesh. A tough road loss at Ok State to start the season isn’t that big of a deal—even of Ok State looks a bit overrated. But getting run by Tennessee’s offense is just bad.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little off-topic.

I just saw on the NFL Network bottom line that we released Michael Bennett and signed Kyle Williams from the practice-squad. Damn.

by MFAN on Oct 10, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could find confirmation elsewhere

though I guess NFL Network is confirmation.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was looking and couldn't find it.

I’d trust NFL network though, and with the injuries on the O-line, I’m actually surprised Bennett has lasted this long.

by MFAN on Oct 10, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those of you watching the Duck game, and don't know already

Our TE Ed Dickenson just might be our best prospect for the NFL. Great speed and ball skills. Gets seperation. Plows smaller DB’s. Keep an eye out.

by Anticitizen_One on Oct 10, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think TE is kind of low on our list of needs

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His middle name is Don

Jevan “Don” Snead

/not a true story

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am still determining my lineup

There’s a good deal on Rasputin, but the weather isn’t right. I’ve been dying to get another Prevale, but I want something else too.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't had Dragon' Milk

All Dogfish has a similar malt characteristic to me. It works with some of their styles, but not others. I am actually not a fan of their IPAs for that reason.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Raison is good

I thought that the best balance. All are a little too raisin-tasting for me.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's interesting.

I mean, not “interesting” the way Midas Touch or 120 Minute is, but interesting in that I have no idea what it is or whether I like it or not.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The list of beers I need to hunt down in my 5 day stint in Seattle in December is such

that I will either spend the majority of my time there inebriated or hospitalized.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not like I can't find good beer here.

In fact, there’s a store near my friend’s place downtown that has Lost Abbey (amongst other great stuff).

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's always what you can't get that you want the most though.

I would consider regicide if I could get Speedway Stout in exchange for the deed.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since you're farther east

ever see Allagash? I highly recommend it.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually had Allagash aplenty in LA and liked it.

I thought the Grand Cru was the best of what I found readily available.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They make a special Raison d'extra sometimes

By brother got me a bottle one year for xmas. It was about 20% (yeah, I thought it wasn’t possible) and tasted like a bubbly bitter-sweet port.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of the three mega-alcohol Dogfish beers

(World Wide, 120 Minute and Raison d’extra) 120 Minute is definitely my favorite.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might be getting too old for good beers

I bought a 22 of the Stone 13th anniversary last night and barely made it through the bottle. It was tasty stuff, but at 9.3% and super malty, it did a job on me. This morning, I had to get on the banana-gatorade-Excedrin regime.

I also got a special edition Black Butte made with coffee and partially cask-aged that should be a fun one.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am thinking about it

6.99 for a four pack is pretty excellent. Rasputin is one of my favorites. Had a friend of a friend goad me to chug it once, that was a stumbly night between bars.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

Maybe grab the new Vertical Epic while I am at it. Depends on when I wake up enough to get my tape work done. Kind of looked up and it was 4am last night so I am still firing up.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always forget you live down south for some reason.

It’s Cold and overcast and windy and gross here in beautiful central Seattle.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last time I was up

I decided to stay in Portland. Seattle is great, but Portland has much of the same art scene without the claustrophobia of a city or the ocean weather.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I prefer about Seattle is the higher density.

And the being able to have a job. That’s nice, too.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in Portland last night and the thing I have noticed every time I've been there

is that there seems to be a not insignificant contingent of the homeless that are fiercely devoted to enforcing the traffic laws in the downtown area.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess who sucks?

Jevan Snead. He’s like Kyle Boller.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How so?

I haven’t watched him but people love the guy.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 10, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arm strength

It’s important, but not by itself.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that he doesn't have his issues...

but that last pick really was more on the receiver, it looked.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't criticizing that last pick so much

as his consistent inability to make good decisions or accurate throws.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah. There *is* that whole accuracy/decision-making thing.

I mean, if you wanna nitpick.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait until the SEC produces another batch of bad NFL QBs

Such legends like Pat Sullivan, Steve Spurrier, Danny Wuerffel, David Greene, JaMarcus Russell, Clint Stoerner, Heath Shuler, Rex Grossman, Brodie Croyle, Jason Campbell, etc.

Not even Peyton and Eli can outweigh the SEC’s profound history of sucky NFL QBs.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Add Kenny Stabler to the good list along with Archie Manning and Bert Jones

And add Tim Couch to the awful list along with Shane Matthews.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For those watching Oregon-UCLA

Mike Price-DT UCLA is having a great game. Another beast. DT is loaded for the draft.

by diehard82 on Oct 10, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what network?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ABC

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, we get the Big 10

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

S. Carolina

all our other games were early

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh you're screwed then

Go to justin tv or something in that case.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you have no idea

I’m just glad we have fantastic weather this time of year, and that even the rednecks are nice—in the daytime.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oregon/Southern Washington is 70 and sunny

I think we may have the best weather in the country.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in Seattle for the Chi game, but didn't get any further south this trip

and the weather was indeed magnificent. If I was ever going to move I’d look out there.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle is so-so

The Sound changes the weather a bit. The Valley is warmer and sunnier.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today, it's glorious -- though I haven't been out a ton today

It’s 70ish, sunny right now (though rain in the area). It probably won’t get consistently cool until Halloween.

If you’ve never been here to see Charleston and the sea coast islands, you simply must. I’m in Columbia, which is inland but still a good-looking town.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been

My mother’s side is from the Carolinas. I think there’s some of the best beaches in the country out there.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, well you know how brutal the summer is

only Arizona is worse.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s brutal. The East Coast humidity kills me.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've lived in Vegas

Weather in the summer is brutal. I hated having to do PE class when it was 95 degrees. Fall and winter are surprisingly pleasant.

On occasion it has even snowed in December/January.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if you have ADD your head might explode on the strip

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a kid

So the Strip never really did anything for me.

Actually the entire city never did anything for me.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poker machines in the gas station

Was a marvel.

Luckily neither of my parents gamble so that’s a plus. Them not gambling means we had the money to move here.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lived in Tempe for a few years

It was the extreme heat that killed me, it was the long summers and the lack of seasons. It was just soul-sucking to have 100 degree days in late October and to have the years just bleed into the next. I need trees and rain and (to see) snow-capped mountains to feel right.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th and 1 = Touchdown Alabama

Nice gaping hole for Mark Ingram for 40.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

defense needed a TO there

to respond to the unbalanced line.

This game looks over, but then I’m a Missouri fan and was thinking the same thing on Thursday—much to my dismay.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

The defense was completely wrong for that formation.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

'Bama quick-snapped 'em.

Really just a nice play by them.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Super cool story bro

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oregon is lighting it up in the 2nd half

Returned the kickoff, and then pick six on UCLA’s first play.

by diehard82 on Oct 10, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on

When will UCLA get decent QBs?

At least my “Oregon will win the Pac-10” proclamation has just been revived.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tebow now anchors the "grission" scale

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The part of his brain that was damaged

Was the part that had impure thoughts about using Cannabis and murdering babies.

That’s what was planned. He’s just genius.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prince fumbles and Oregon recovers

Goodness.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OT: The new V

I don’t know if any of you are old enough to remember the mini-series V, about an alien takeover. ABC is remaking it. Wow, that show was hokey. These folks are officially out of town.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

V was campy

They used to show it on Sci Fi channel.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the time it got the SciFi it's campy

Back in the day it took itself completely seriously. it was vomitous.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking as a child back in the 80s.

V scared the shit out of me.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 11, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

UCLA I feel your pain

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice reference there, JM

A forgotten about Stephen King “classic” movie

"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson

by Willie Mays Haze on Oct 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohio State gets a pick 6 vs Wisc

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

4 zero-yard drives will NOT help your FEI

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Literally

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That would literally be ironic!

by John Edwards on Oct 10, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In case anyone missed it, Arkansas destroyed Auburn this morning

another undefeated ranked team goes down hard to an unranked team. I love college football. And pro football. And I hear the lingerie league is really something.

by diehard82 on Oct 10, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I LOVE it when Auburn loses

for all their bitching when they went undefeated but didnt get a national title shot. They played NOBODY in non-conference and they ducked all of the conference heavyweights that year. (They played a non-con against a pre-Turner Gill Buffalo team late in the season.)

They are still griping about that season.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snead just ran backward TOWARDS the rush

wow.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know why Oregon changed their uni's

They used to have the best jersey’s in football. Now they have the stupid looking feathers on the shoulder pads.

by diehard82 on Oct 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They're owned by Nike

In exchange for awesome training facilities, their players are forced to wear whatever the geniuses at Nike come up with.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snead. Terrible.

I’ve questioned his accuracy for awhile now. Now, I question him as a prospect. I was close the past two weeks to this but: I’m officially off the Snead bandwagon.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer. Add: Sam Bradford. Subtract: Jevan Snead

by Misfit74 on Oct 10, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just scored some club seats for tomorrow

Of course when you get them off eBay they seller’s kept the parking for themselves.

Is it true that Seattle has free city parking on game-day?

by Anticitizen_One on Oct 10, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where do you live?

I ask this because you can just take the city bus or something.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in Portland and have never been to Seattle.

And I believe with the club seats you can get in 3 hours early, around 10ish, so I can hit I-5 way early and not have to worry about dicking around Seattle for hours.

by Anticitizen_One on Oct 10, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drive to Tukwila, take the light rail.

If you get there at 9:30-ish there will be parking and the station is two blocks from Qwest.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The view of Seattle coming into town from the south on the light rail is amazing.

If you’ve never been, it’s a great introduction to the city.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From ST's website:
Light rail service to Sea-Tac Airport is scheduled to start in late 2009, in time for the 2010 Olympics. Trains will run all day from a new SeaTac/Airport Station to Downtown Seattle.

But it’s Seattle we’re talkin’ about sooo…

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness, ST got that shit done with a quickness once the approval finally came through.

The fact that they are in charge of the ID—>Cap Hill street car makes me happy.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a solid point...

I’m just glad they’re creating a good light rail system around here cuz our public transportation has kinda sucked.

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

The thought that within two years it will be possible to go to a game at Safeco or Qwest, hop on the streetcar and be home in five-ten minutes is so amazingly bizarre to me because I never thought I’d see it.

It’s like the urbanist transit nerd version of a Super Bowl.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like Seattle is finally getting it's shit together

Good ol Greg Nickels someone that’s actually competent. I hope it expands even more. Can’t wait for the University link to get finished.

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be able to take the train, too

I don’t have any idea if the schedule works, but the train station is right outside Qwest and its a nice ride.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not based on today

This isn’t a game for good QB play.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Julio Jones even playing?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Too much coffee

what’s a dangerous amount for a 170 pound man to drink?

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why American medicine is failing.

Bet you can’t help me find any ground rhino horn either.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet I was able to quickly assess that the Ole Miss player injured the superior trunk of his brachial plexus,

correctly predicting that he’d come up supporting the weight of his arm because his shoulder wouldn’t.

I can’t find you rhino horn, but the Chinese herbal stores will tell you that tiger penis does the same thing.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't have any rhino horn handy,

deer antler or tiger wang will work in a pinch.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

24-10 Oregon

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Prince just got annihilated

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that would be smart -- get another year of coaching from Sark

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope so

But if people are telling him that he’ll be a mid to late 1st round pick, it’d be hard for him to walk away from 15-20 mil for a year, especially with the risk of injury.

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a risk, but in 2011 he could be first overal

So get another season of college and a chance to improve your draft stock or cash out now and know you might be in the middle of the pack at Qb.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

way to go Snead

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ole Miss gets it right back on the strip

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not watching football until UW,

but isn’t Baylor horrible? Just looking at the stats, Bradford’s not having a great game, percentage wise anyways.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I might?

Is Jesus going to be stepping on the field?

I got my times confused. 7 pm pacific Washington
8 pm Eastern Florida.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I believe that he has risen from the dead

At least the doctors have given him permission to play. He’s still a gametime decision, but I don’t think there’s any way he’ll miss the game.

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ok with a QB in general underperforming a bit.

Only problem is, if Bradford, Locker, or Clausen feel like they won’t go top 10, then they’ll just wait another year.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure

Any of those guys could fall off the map if they have a bad 2010. Better to go in the late first round in 2009 than the early 6th round in 2010.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to give me a job doing beer pairings at upscale restaurants.

I am amazed when I got to a nice restaurant and they best beer they have on tap is Red Hook.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ever had Xingu?

Brazilian beer… delicious.

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if you're eating at Red Hook Brewery in Woodinville?

It’d be pretty awkward if you went there and they said “you can have our shitty beer, but we have some much better beer from another brewery available as well.”

Though it would pretty funny to go there and say “Do you have anything besides Red Hook beer, that stuff tastes like crap?”

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tsingtao is about as good as most beers I had in Germany

but Harbin is better.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

“I prefer” does not mean “is better.”

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially in the objective field of beer tasting

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beer tasting is objective, sure.

With that being said, in no universe is Tsigntao better than even the middle tier of German beers.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tsingtao is a decent middle-brow lager

about on par with the middle tier of German beers. Neither are very impressive, but they get the job done.

I also don’t understand all the fuss about Belgian beers.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I don't think we're gonna agree.

Although it is my not-shared-by-many opinion that American craft beer is superior to Belgian craft beer.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't say that Belgian beer can't hold the jock of American microbrew

It can and it does and thats why it tastes the way it does.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, of you like a movie better, it is better to that person...

Better doesn’t always mean better for the average person.

Budweiser is the best beer in the world (in my opinion), could mean best for me, or could mean I think it’s the best for everyone.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Best" and "better" are absolutes.

There’s no such thing as “it is better to me” or “it is the best as far as I am concerned.” You can say “I prefer,” but when you are making value judgments you have to be prepared to back up your assertions with facts.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Water mixed with pee is better for me. Why's it better for me? Because that's what tastes best to me.

They are not absolutes.

Tom Brady is the best QB. Best QB in his given system under his given coach maybe, but perhaps Peyton Manning is better under a different system. There are always qualifications and restrictions to be made. Better and Best aren’t like distances of time.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you make a critical assessment of something

you leave your assessment open to criticism.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

better is absolutely not better

There is no absolute measure of good for movies or taste.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generally when people who know a lot about something tend to agree

it’s reasonable to assume that they are correct in their assessments. I know plenty of people that don’t like craft beer and greatly prefer PBR to anything fancy, but that doesn’t mean they would be correct to say that PBR is better beer than Angel’s Share.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And on the Citizen Kane vs Jackass thing.

Most people would fall asleep to Citizen Kane. Not that it’s a bad movie but people don’t appreciate these type of movies.

by russak on Oct 10, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wrote a couple of arguments to this and the above statement you made,

but they all centered on politics and religion so I held on to backspace instead.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Most people"

aren’t qualified to enjoy a movie. Did I get that right?

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is like saying that fine dining is always better than street food

Nothing more than snobbery.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is absolutely not the same thing.

It’s like saying that a 3-Michelin Star restaurant serves better food than Taco Bell. That’s entirely different.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or like comparing Tsingtao with Hofbrau

which is where we started.

The idea that art criticism is the only measure by which to evaluate a mass-market medium like film is simply close-minded. I’m not going to defend Jackas s or defame CK, but I’m not going to accept that their is an objective standard for their criticism.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think terms like "best" and "worst"

have to place in these discussions. There are so many dimensions along which these things can be compared that “best” and “worst” are, at best, oversimplifications.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I am saying is this;

if I say “of all the sour ales I’ve had, Allagash Confluence is my favorite” then I am merely stating a preference.

If I say, as I did above, “Allagash Confluence is the best sour ale I’ve ever had” then I am opening my statement to harsher criticism.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

but I don’t think you could make an objective statement about the quality of the beers that necessarily held more weight than personal preference.

While educated criticism isn’t worthless, it is far from objective.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you tell me that you would rather have a Tsingtao than a Hofbrau Hefeweizen,

I will not argue with that. That’s your choice. If you tell me that Tsingtao is better then you have to face criticism.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither are worth ranking

This what I said that got the whole ball rolling:

Tsingtao is about as good as most beers I had in Germany
but Harbin is better.

The comment about Harbin is in relation to Tsingtao.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, no.

Enjoyment versus critical assessment. Just like plenty of people enjoyed watching Reggie Bush, but how many were qualified to know how he would play in the NFL?

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whats the measure of success for art or pop art or media or food?

How many delicacies in one culture are found objectively repulsive in another?

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's talking about food critics?

And food style is as mutable as fashion. Food that was considered objectively good in 1990 is considered out of date or old-fashioned now. Other styles of food or cooking that are even older are coming back into style.

There is no sense assigning objective value to these things if they their worth is so subject to change.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Food that was considered objectively good in 1990 is considered out of date or old-fashioned now. "

By some people, but not people I would care to listen to.

Honestly though a discussion about food criticism is about as low as possible on the list of things I am interested in pursuing at the moment so whatever.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's where we started

talking about beers.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I was pointing out that his statement was absurd.

But I would go so far as to say that most people aren’t qualified to make serious critical assessments of films, yes. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t entitled to an opinion and that their opinion isn’t valid. It means that if you think that Citizen Kane is a better movie than Jackass, I have no obligation to ever listen to anything you have to say about a movie.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, most people?

Really? It is the #1 film of all time according to the AFI and it rents more than almost any other catalog film at my store.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many people rent movies at independent stores any more?

Netflix and Blockbuster are probably more representative.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I’m not commenting on their business model or the quality of the films they rent (neither of which may be all that great).

They’re still operating and renting more movies than the little mom-and-pop operations that rent the harder-to-find stuff. The comment was about quantity and not about quality.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they aren't.

They are going out of business. Strong indies with large catalogs are not.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love strong indies with large catalogs

I’m not fortunate enough to live in a neighborhood that has one (and I haven’t in a dozen years).

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I grew up in Bellingham

There’s a pretty good place called “Film is Truth 24 Times a Second”.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two 13 year old girls told me they wanted to try to get into classic movies.

These are two girls that generally rent nothing but Gossip Girl and Scary Movie. They asked me what my favorite old movie was and I told them. They loved it.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole process of selecting criteria is subjective

even if the judgement based on that criteria may not be.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The selection may be subjective

but it gives the argument foundation and allows it to be logical.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If two sides do not agree on or at least discuss the criteria

arguments tend towards a rhetorical back and forth without much weight or chance of resolution.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Music, filmmaking, writing, cooking, brewing, coffee roasting, etc are all to some extent art.

There is subjective preference and their is objective critical opinion.

I would rather watch Terminator 2 than Grand Hotel, but Grand Hotel is the artistically better film. I would rather listen to the Melvins than the Kinks (generally) but Village Green Preservation Society is an artistically better album than Houdini. And so forth.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am having a love affair with VGPS right now

I think then the criteria would be artistic merit, and I think that is the hold up in this conversation. You are arguing artistic merit is objective. The counter argument is that taste is subjective. The two sides are not arguing the same subject.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All these have qualifiers or restrictions.

You can’t say that CK is the best film of all time, well technically you can say it, but you can’t say it is absolutely the best film of all time no doubts about it.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

It is a better film. I would generally rather watch Terminator 2.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a sense.

Terminator 2 is a classic as well in its own right, though.

Grand Hotel is one of the greatest movies ever made because of its photography, direction, performances, innovation and influential nature.

Commercially the point of movies if entertainment. As an artistic pursuit, the goals are different.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like Bicycle Thief

I didn’t find the story compelling, but a studied viewing shows you masterful, creative and influential work. I had a conversation with my friend that is an aspiring film critic and he loved it. We didn’t agree about enjoyment, but we both agreed it captured a time and place unlike almost any movie ever made.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was in the Southwest, mostly

They’re not known for their beer (more wine and schnapps). But I also traveled a little around the rest of the country and there was only one time I had a beer that I thought was really amazing (in the Darmstadt trainstation). American microbrew kicked the ass of every other beer I had.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROGUE

End of conversation.

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're really good

but there’s a lot of other great beer brewed on the West coast and their Portland brewpub is pretty shabby.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't made it down to their pub

But I will agree that there is a ton of great microbreweries in the NW

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I adore their brewpub.

It’s the only thing in the Pearl I don’t hate.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rogue's got crappy, poorly prepared food

I like Deschutes more. The food is awesome and they usually have Obsidian on nitrogen, which surely is on par with anything at Rogue.

I understand the appeal of the divey bar, but I don’t understand paying Pearl prices for crappy food and a dive bar atmosphere.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't eat the food.

And I don’t find it divey, but I definitely prefer the less polished atmosphere than the sheen of places like Deschutes. Same reason I like Uber and Stumbling Monk better than Brouwers in Seattle.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could see that

I’ve got different criteria for my value judgement (fat guy likes some food with his beer).

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you're missing a lot of good food

Food carts are great but they are not the only or the best places to get food. And variety is good too.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle's street food scene is improving but still laughable compared to Portland.

I know I’m missing out, but the lure of the mobile grease dispensary is too great to pass up.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to college in a small town in Eastern Washington

It was easier to find a taco truck there than in Phoenix.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phoenix is a midwestern suburban town planted in the desert

I’m sure the taco trucks are fine, they’re just hard to find.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to a pretty cool sandwich place for lunch today

They have a drink on their menu based loosely on the Mimosa: Miller and OJ.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its the freakin champagne of beers!

It just makes sense, you know. Also, there’s the ironic lowbrow Portland hipster element to take into account.

The canned micheladas aren’t too bad, either.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't have the miller drink

I had a Stumptown coffee.

But the micheladas are just like Mexican bloody Marys with the vodka swapped out for beer. How could that fail to be an improvement?

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard great things about them

but I think I might have to rough of a palate to appreciate their lightly-roasted brew. I like coffee to taste more like a stout than a pale ale.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I should

they probably don’t overroast their darker stuff like other people do.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

I usually only make coffee on the weekends, when I’ve got time. The rest of the week I get the drive-through ’bucks or the office sludge.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a shame

Stumptown has been my Stone. I may one day find others that compare or surpass it, but it was the brand that made me a real coffee drinker. Easily the most complex coffee I’ve ever had.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love their coffee and I can get it all over the place up here

but it was quite odd. I really miss Batdorf and Bronson coffee. It was always my favorite by far in Olympia and even though it might not be as good as I remember it being, it remains my favorite because I’ve never had coffee that made the impression on me that B & B did.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another UCLA turnover

Eat it, Neuheisel.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This CBS announcer explodes with every first down made

You are not Gus Johnson, Craig Bolerjack.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is one crappy football game

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Making the move to Duke/NC state

Duke is up 42-28 in the 4th

(after a 14-0 run including a technical foul on the Wolfpack coach)

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

An ugly loss for the SEC today

Vandy falls to Army 16-13

Mississippi State lost to Houston, but that’s not an upset.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 10, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Tebowl start at 5 exactly?

I need time to get my requisite beer.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'll finish my Willis post tomorrow then

Short take: He was good. Frye was bad. Inexplicably, the team decided to chip Willis’ guy in the fourth quarter. The first time they did they, Mathis stripped Wallace in Seattle’s red zone. He was facing Frye.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touchdown Colorado!!

7-0 up on Texas… Whoop-em horns!

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

'A Serious Man' Review before I leave

If you like the Coens humor, the darker elements and the comedy of manners style they sometimes use, it’s a very funny movie that is worth some rippin laughs. I do not think it holds the emotional resonance of some of their best work. Like many Coen films, it is the middle part of a story with lots of ideas but little resolution. Like all Coen films, the dialogue, casting and attention to detail is masterful. It’s a fun, dense movie, but a slight disappointment.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked it, but it wasn't my favorite

I also didn’t understand why McCarthy’s The Road wasn’t considered a work of genre fiction.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got a chance to read over the plot.

Sound really interesting. Might give it a read.

by russak on Oct 10, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't have to

They’re turning it into a movie

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

But Mad Max with shopping carts could be a fun movie to watch.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get Big Lebowski

to me it’s a minor movie, if fun. I think No Country for Old Men proved Joel and Ethan could use help with their storylines. It is free of the, and this is brash but who cares what I think, pothead asides and undisciplined story telling that sometimes makes their movies ponderous if otherwise admirable.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like my comedies disastrous and messy.

Hudsucker Proxy is another favorite and even I have no idea what the hell is happening half the time.

I think it’s all the Marx Bros.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Marx Bros are The Awesome

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone ready to be saved?

I have my favorite idols cooling in the fridge.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Thank God Tebow, I thought I’d be forced to listen to Musberger.

by wyte_lightning on Oct 10, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have taken this Tebow joke so far

I don’t know what I think anymore.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is completely reckless of me

but some part of me thinks Tebow will find a way to make in the NFL. You know the league would love that. He needs a type of offense, something like the Knapp-Seneca offense.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may be foolish to completely write off the potential most successful college player of all time, but I don't see it.

I see him as a more successful Eric Crouch. He plays in the perfect system and Urban Meyer has assembled the most impressive set of skill position talent in all of college football.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One huge separation though

Tebow is an elite NFL athlete.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is, and he isn't. He's a great athlete, but he doesn't have a great fit as a position outside of maybe TE.

He’s certainly not straight-line fast, and he isn’t brutally quick. He is powerful and has good vision. Maybe he’s a TE?

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tebow could withstand

100 rushes up the gut and still be a good gadget quarterback, I don’t think White could.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feel free to correct me on this, as you watch oodles of film.

To me, the yardage that Tebow gains up the middle in the college game is a product of his size, determination, and superior athleticism. Put him in the NFL and he’s ~ late-career Jamal Lewis, which is not all that desirable.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pass-run possibility is a huge advantage though.

Tebow is like Vick if Vick wasn’t a quarterback that could run like Reggie Bush, but a quarterback that could run like Jerome Bettis.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see the added value of a cloud of dust as enough to offset his deficits as a passer.

Vick was dangerous because he was a freakishly superior athlete capable of burning everyone on the field for 50 yards at a time. You have to spy him. If you drop into coverage on Tebow, is he good enough to turn the corner and make you think twice?

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, probably not

It’s more like Tebow out-gaps defenses the way a Wildcat does. Now, this is conditional on Tebow being a much better student and decision maker than Vick, which I think is true, but I don’t know yet. An OC working with Tebow would not build around his big play threat, but that he is a genuine running back that can churn out short yardage and consistently get positive yardage, but also throw underneath passes. That taxes the linebackers.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, that's a bunch of jargon

Consider the shotgun with split backs that Florida runs. The team can run three separate directions and that is very hard to read pre-snap. It’s not a one time run, Tebow could run ten times a game and you want to commit linebackers to the middle. But sweeps and draws attack the outside. Or Tebow can PA and throw a screen pass. Or the defense can run max protect and throw a bomb. Just tons of versatility.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a team is willing to bet the farm on an unconventional offense, absolutely.

My argument has been based on the notion that Tebow would be used in a mostly standard offense. Throw that out and he looks an awful lot better.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you're saying, and it will be interesting to see what happens.

I won’t count Tebow out because he is clearly driven to levels not normally seen in college athletes.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brock Lesnar is a physical freak

Who couldn’t get a whiff at an NFL active roster.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You need more than athleticism to make it in the NFL

Nobody who doubts Tebow doubts his athleticism.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, admittedly, I don't follow UFC well

but I don’t think I’ve ever seen great athleticism in UFC. It’s still very raw. Maybe in a few years we’ll see some real prospects when the kids get involved.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some fighters are athletic, some have got beer guts

The knockout punch is a great equalizer, but the wrestling requires great stamina.

Lesnar is a special type of freak. He’s a heavyweight that has to cut down to 265 lbs and still has pretty good quickness. I can’t believe its all natural (especially coming from professional wrestling), but he’s just bigger, stronger and faster than anybody he faces.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One word

bjraji

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

yet for some reason I respect the athleticism of fat football players more than the athleticism of fat baseball players or fit Nascar drivers.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's two different things right now though

Football players are true prodigies and most NFL talent has excelled at every level since a developmental phase—10,11-15,16, etc. Most fighters are from others sports and are probably five, ten years into their discipline.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, its not there yet

A lot of the successful fighters, though, started as wrestlers. They spend most of their lives learning wrestling and conditioning and then switch to MMA.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then get punched in the face

and lose. I’m fairly certain Mike Tyson could, right now with time to get in shape, beat most UFC fighters.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayweather said something like that,

along the lines of any boxer could come in after an adjustment period to the MMA rules, would kick anyone’s ass

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen so many fights end

when one guy kicks and the other dude just lands one on the guy’s jaw. Humans are not that tough. A good bareknuckled punch is enough topple ya.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are no bareknuckled punches in MMA

and it takes a lot of luck/skill/power to get a knockout on the first punch of the match.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hyperbole, the bareknuckled.

This is not a boxing glove.

You should watch vintage Tyson. He was a human punching machine. His hook was death. He punched through blocks and clipped guy’s jaws. MMA guys don’t know how to dodge a punch, they will if, like I said the real talent gets there, but this generation is not impressive to me.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real MMA isn't all highlight-reel knockouts

A lot of it is wresting and jiujitsu that doesn’t look all that dramatic. But pure wrestlers succeed a lot more than pure boxers.

Pure boxers usually have a chance at punch or two before they get taken down. Pure wrestlers take a little while to get the win, but they usually get takedowns and get into dominant positions more often than boxers.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll tell you what

I watched UFC 1,2,3,4,5—the last two I think. But then I dropped out for a while, so if that’s the complexion* of the new UFC, excuse my ignorance, but it wasn’t the occasional punch out. I remember Joyce Grace versus Ken Shamrock, and Grace was clearly winning, but the UFC wanted action so if Shamrock could battle to a stalemate they’d separate them. Eventually Shamrock won punching despite being clearly the inferior grappler.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The game's changed a bunch

since Shamrock and Gracie. That was about 10-15 years ago, the rules have changed a bit (more codified), the ownership changed and the fanbase/participants changed. Just for reference, the last UFC they held was 103 or 104.

There are very few pure strikers that have any success. The ones that do know wrestling well enough that they can defend the takedown really well or (like Lyoto Machida) have a ridiculously long reach and crazy ninja evasion skills.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoah what the hell SBN swallowed my paragraph body

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

In the UFC, great boxers who can’t stuff the takedown have one, maybe two, shots at a knockout before they get taken down.

Guys like Kimbo Slice and Tank Abbott were guys with a great punch who turned into punchlines.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know much,

but I thought I heard guys who are used to punching and kicking do ok until the other guy gets close and uses wrestling moves. Then they’re in unfamiliar territory and kind of screwed as to how to position themselves. Wrestling moves are pretty complicated.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

This is exactly what happens.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because they are overhyped bar fighters.

It tells you something about MMA that’s Kimbo and Tank ever had a shot. Tyson would kill them in four seconds. Kill.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo was a fad

Tank is garbage but that was the early UFC days when anyone could enter with no skill or shape whatsoever.

But Tyson kills them in 1.5 seconds.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peak Tyson, definitely

But he looked pretty bad in his last couple of fights.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's obvious.

He was bad against Danny Williams, Kevin McBride, etc.

Clearly a money thing.

Peak Tyson could kill anybody.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could've killed him

But he got careless. It’s an upset for a reason.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

All respect to Lee, but that would be ugly.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricki Oh?

Or whatever that guy’s name is?

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peak Tyson would murder

Any of these slow-polk HWs. He had amazing punching power and quickness that the division pretty much has never had since.

Guys like Chris Arreola shouldn’t touch a heavyweight title fight but there is little serious competition for them.

Tyson would also get the Klitschko brothers to not jab and cross their way to victory. He’d chase them like a ninja.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he fought Holyfield or Lennox Lewis, was he past his peak?

It sure seems quick that we was big time boxer, then he just fell off the world.

by russak on Oct 10, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAY past his peak

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big enough fan to get into that argument

I wish Fedor fought in the UFC, but its not gonna happen.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That he's the GOAT

In the heavyweight division.

By beating Lesnar by KTFO.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

The HW division in the UFC isn’t all that great, but its pretty weak to avoid fighting in the main game in town.

""I wanted to be a quarterback, but I got hungry."
-LG Rob Sims

by ninjasocks on Oct 10, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Carwin has punching power but I have a feeling he’s done in 1 round.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't wait till this fad passes.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

Next year's notable Ex-Seahawks:
Walter Jones, Patrick Kerney, Seneca Wallace

by Wayward Llama on Oct 11, 2009 5:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Muscles grow back. Skin grows back. Bone repairs itself well. You only get one brain.

If I were Tim Tebow, I’d be on the sideline tonight. Stacking concussions is dangerous.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And Ciron Black

that’s a matchup that has Seattle all over it.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear he's been bad this season.

Fine by me, we can pick him up with our 2nd 1st round pick.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mexico just qualified for the World Cup of Soccer

All thanks to Tim Tebow.

Flag?! YOU DO NOT FLAG TIM TEBOW!

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even gods like Tebow have to toy with the crowd

Before delivering his moment of fantasticacity.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 5:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like that the penalty is refused in college

so much more assertive than declining it.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This should be a good test of Tebow vs. system.

If Meyer is smart, and it looks like he is, he won’t be subjecting Tebow to more hits by letting him run.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Colorado beats Texas.

McCoy seems to be disappointing this year.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A good throw he can pick up the first down?

There were 3 guys on him as soon as he caught it.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I fully acknowledge that my current situation has gutted my ability to drink,

but half of an 8.5% Dragon’s Milk and I’m feeling it. Absurd.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like it, but remember that I'm more of a malty person than a hoppy person.

It’s complex in more than one way and the finish tickles me just right.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Is it a sweet malt? I like malts, but too sweet turns me off.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have finally managed to come into possession of Southern Tier Creme Brulee stout.

I am terrified of how sweet it is going to be but much too curious not to try it.

by acblue on Oct 10, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drake is a pretty cool name.

I’d have a hard time calling my kid (as a toddler) Drake though. It sounds too badass.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good old scare tactics

nothing works like scare tactics for marketing. That’s why I bought Gerber life insurance for my unborn children. Wouldn’t want to go through all that diaper changing bullshit and not at least get some skrill out of it.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if it's just because I have something to keep me interested, but

Pac 10 football is more interesting than SEC football. Maybe it’s all that defense, and not enough passing.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Pac-10 football.

I can watch every game of every team and not get tired (well, except for WSU, good god…) and I don’t really like college football as much as I once did.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching Florida play

sometimes it feels like that dude in the arcade that would play Mortal Kombat for hours and knew every cheap trick and couldn’t be beat, but wasn’t actually very good at the game.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raiden

back, back, forward

by djafrot on Oct 10, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any guesses as to where Tebow ends up next year?

I haven’t seen him much and as such don’t really have an opinion.

Is he actually going to be an NFL QB?

by djafrot on Oct 10, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think we traded for Denver's first round pick?

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ballsy call

But LSU was ready for it.

Nice stop.

Seattle is cursed. For life.

by SSreporters on Oct 10, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I want Toby Gerhart.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the NFL is ready for another white feature back.

I remember Brock Forsey going over 100 yards and then disappearing from the face of the planet.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake Locker, then.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two words:

Brian Leonard.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer. Add: Sam Bradford. Subtract: Jevan Snead

by Misfit74 on Oct 10, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL LOOK QUICK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_favre

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Truth

I am starting to like Favre again. As long as he can play.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sportscenter is a childhood thing for me

It was right on my level then, but I haven’t watched in..something like ten years. Shit.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds fun

I like drunk and crazy, just not drunk, crazy and stabby.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that you can't be sure that stabby isn't also a possibility.

I have had some all-time great conversations with crazy people on the train while headed downtown at night with friends.

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is true

especially Chicago Bum. Portland Bum is former Rainbow Coalition. Sorta perma-baked and agreeable—stabby but reluctant and tired.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

When Favre came out of retirement the first time,

I realized that I subconsciously only liked Favre and not the Packers. I was rooting for him to go the Vikings then and am reaping the rewards now, MNF was awesome.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn it, got distracted reading Favre's wiki article.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wu-Tang reference that at first went over my head?

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That didn't tell me anything about Tebow.

I know he can make that throw (anyone with a decent arm can) I want to see him hit a slant or make a read, or have to place it perfectly.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good ball skills by the DB.

He saw that was off an broke early on the pass.

by John Morgan on Oct 10, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What don't we need?

I want to draft Desmond Trufant right now.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd go along w/ that.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer. Add: Sam Bradford. Subtract: Jevan Snead

by Misfit74 on Oct 10, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than fine.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer. Add: Sam Bradford. Subtract: Jevan Snead

by Misfit74 on Oct 10, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously we're set at LB,

I just meant an easy way to get FF to start talking about our LBs.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to his credit, FF has been a model citizen since his release from prison.

Isn’t it amazing what doors open for you when you aren’t going out of your way to be a burr under the saddle?

by abender20 on Oct 10, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with the notion that you can build championship defenses based on 3 strong linebackers.

I’d love to be wrong.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

Honestly I’d rather have LBs be a question mark if that meant other units were set for the next several seasons.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Not that I don't love Tats)

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Lynch

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all about who you know.

The only Toby I know is Asian, so I associate Toby as an Asian name. Or a wimpy HR guy.

by LantermanC on Oct 10, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...Upon heavy thought, I think you're right.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 10, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs