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What it takes to be great

We are all excited about Hasselbeck's dominating 4-TD return on Sunday and the implications for the season that so recently seemed lost. I am going to present an analysis of the Seahawks last 4+ seasons that addresses the potential presence of greatness in the Seahawks. I will not be concerned with whether the Seahawks are 'physical' or 'know howto win', instead I focus on one simple question: Can the Seahawks win on the road against a good team?


I presented a similar analysis last season, but there is new data here and a new context so I feel it deserves a new post. Many remember last season when we were in disbelief about the Seahawks terrible performance. A lot of us looked back on the supposedly succesful years prior and noticed something alarming: The Seahawks have won only one road game against a better than .500 team in 2005-present. That game was against Denver in 2006. It was Jay Cutler's first ever NFL start and he created three turnovers himself in a game in which the Seahawks were outgained. We slid by with a 23-20 win. Here is the rest of the data: Note that I looked at the entire 16 game record of the team, not their record in the other 14 or 15 games not against the Seahawks. So, for example, if the Hawks beat a team that goes on to be 8-8 (8-7 excluding the hawks game), they are not included.

 

2005 (0-2)
L - Jacksonville (12-4)
L - Washington (10-6)

2006 (1-2)
L - Chicago (13-3)
L - Kansas City (9-7)
W - Denver (9-7)

2007 (0-2)
L - Pittsburgh (10-6)
L - Cleveland (10-6)

2008 (0-5)
L - NY Giants (12-4)
L - Tampa Bay (9-7)
L - Miami (11-5)
L - Dallas (9-7)
L - Arizona (9-7)

 

This comes out to a combined 1-11 against good teams on the road. Even if we call 2008 a fluke that is 1-6 in the other three years. We could add as many as three more such losses if we include playoffs. An interesting thing to note is that we had by far the largest number of these games in 2008 (5), with only 3, 2, and 2 in the other years. My point with all of this is that it has seemed to me for some time that the ability to beat a good team on the road is something a great team must be able to do. Obviously no team is going to bat 1.000 in such games, but it has to win some games. The Seahawks have been a strange team over the last few years in that we made the playoffs in 2005-2007 with only one such win. It is strange to me that we have been so good at home. Last year we were only -10 point differential at home for the season. We also have shown the ability to play near-perfect football against bad teams. I am waiting for the moment to come when we go out an beat a good team in their stadium. I do not think I am harping on some small sample size anomaly. Year after year I like our roster on paper and see what it can do at home against a bad team, and then see a totally different team in any tough road game.

I think right now is an exciting time because the Seahawks just played some of the best football we have seen from them and the season is still young. If the Hawks can sustain a level of play similar to what we saw Sunday, the sky is the limit. I do not think Jacksonville is a Rams type stinker, they are a halfway decent team. I see the next two weeks as follows:

ARI: We have to win this game if we are gonna sneak into the playoffs 9-7. Divisonal home game. I don't think beating the Cards at home (they probably won't even be .500 this year) proves anything, we just have to win. It seems like the playoff sneak-in requires that we win these gimme and almost-gimme games:

ARI
DET
@STL
SF
@Hou
TB
TEN

giving up @ARI, @DAL, @MIN, @GB.

DAL: This is where, I think, things get very interesting. Even if we still only finish with 9 wins. It would be awesome to win one of the four remaining road games against a team likely to finish the season above .500. That sort of win makes me believe we have a chance of winning a road playoff game and making this a very special year. I would not say I am expecting this win, but I think it would be more than just a win...

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Interesting, but....

I would argue this team is not last years team (or ‘05-’07). New coaching staff, new schemes, healthy WR corp including the addition of Housh, etc…

Therefore, past road failure has little to do with this year. Granted, we lost badly at SF and Indy, but as everyone knows, we’ve been VERY banged up. IF we can get and stay healthy, there is no reason we can’t break the past trend and win tough road games in addition to winning out at home. Next Sunday is critical. Every game is critical. If we are to make the playoffs, we have to win the 4 remaining divisional games and keep pace with SF. Personally, I think the Cards, Niners and Hawks will all wind up with roughly .500 records and the final week of the season may well determine the division title. Our final game is Titans at home. Cards get Packers at home and Niners go on the road to the Rams.

by diehard82 on Oct 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

New team, same problem?

I agree with what you are saying about the new personnel. That is where I think the excitement lies. While we saw some success in the relatively recent 05-07 seasons (there is still some holdover from those years) this is a critical category that we have always stunk it up in. The one win we had in Denver is very easy to write off. To be fair though, if we do some back of the envelope calculations and assume a good team averages about 11 wins with an average of 7 at home and 4 on the road, we get to 7/8 win percentage at home. This means an average team would expect to win 1/8 of these games, so playing 7 games (as we did in 2005-2007) would put us at 7/8 = 0.875 expected wins. We won won game though so (although the calculation is a bit crude) one could argue we were actually slightly above average. This does not defeat the notion that the Seahawks were never a great team, but does combat the notion we were mediocre even in our heyday.

I think one can take from this the point that playoff teams (depending on division) usually get the requisite 9-11 wins by getting 6 or 7 home wins (winning all the home games except against the top 1-2 teams on the home schedule) and then the 3-4 easy road games against below average teams. Teams can consistently make the playoffs without ever winning on the road against good teams. The handful of really hot 12+ win teams every year are typically going to be the teams that, beyond what I mention above, actually sneak in a win or two on the road against a good team.

Due to our early struggles, getting to 12+ wins and/or a first round bye is probably asking too much. Getting 9 wins and a playoff berth is a pretty reasonable expectation (not automatic, but reasonable). I think if we were to get that 10th win via one of our tough road games, JUST ONE, I think that would be very exciting for this football team, in and of itself.

by michaelfox99 on Oct 13, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but doesn't matter

I think we’re all waiting for us to beat a good team on the road. Even these 2009 Seahawks in a vacuum, we’re waiting for it.

I will say, the playoffs showed me we can. The Packers, the Bears. The Packers last time, we got destroyed after looking like we had the game in the bag after 5 minutes. But the other two times, we played well, enough to win, but lost two OTs.

by jacobstevens on Oct 13, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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