Arizona Cardinals at Seattle Seahawks Statistical Preview
Enough of me foisting my political agenda on you, amiright*? Another short day today; it's the Sunday of my wife's weekend. Tomorrow we'll do something for the first time this season: Preview an opponent. The emphasis will be on play calling and matchups. Sunday's game against Arizona is by far the most important game of the year so far for the Seattle Seahawks. Since my time is limited today, this post will center on some of the surface information about the Arizona Cardinals, specifically their performance as described by advanced statistics.
Win Chance: Seattle 54%
Overall Efficiency Arizona
DVOA: -10.6%
DAVE: -14.2%
That marks them as a below average team. Arizona is a notch above the nine truly bad teams ranging from Buffalo to Oakland, but are nevertheless playing at the low end of the middle of the pack. Seattle is at the high end of the middle of the pack.
Overall Efficiency Seattle
DVOA: 8.2 %
DAVE: 9.2%
Arizona has played a more difficult schedule to date. It lost badly to Indianapolis, like Seattle, but played badly against San Francisco. The latter drags down their DVOA, but could factor less as earlier games are rendered less significant and/or, San Francisco rebounds from a smackdown by the Falcons.
Brian Burke's efficiency ranking favor the Cardinals, but only marginally. His rankings are much more intuitive. The number indicates how likely the team is to win against a league average opponent on a neutral playing field.
Overall Efficiency
That's a coin flip, with a slight advantage given Seattle for home field advantage.
One of the discrepancies in the ratings is Seattle's run defense. Both metrics agree that Arizona has dominated on run defense, ranking first in DVOA and second in Burke's DRUN, but the two metrics disagree about Seattle's run defense. Burke ranks Seattle as tied with New York for 27th, while DVOA sees an above average run defense, 13th. The major difference there is that DVOA weakens the impact of long runs, but Burke's system does not. So early in the season, Frank Gore's rampage is still disproportionately lowering Seattle's overall run defense in Burke's system, but much less so in DVOA.
My interpretation of Seattle's run defense is that it has the personnel to be excellent, but I do not ignore the impact of long runs. When Seattle doesn't have a bull in the middle like Brandon Mebane, it has shown a consistent inability to stop long runs. With Mebane, I think Seattle is even better than their DVOA would indicate. Arizona is the second worst team in football at running the ball by DVOA and ORUN. Whatever Seattle's abilities, it could look like the Steel Curtain on Sunday.
Arizona does not rely on its run game, but Seattle does. It has been below average running the ball and, as aforementioned, Arizona has transformed into a run killer since the 2009 postseason. If Seattle cannot get its run game going at all, it will severely disrupt its offense. Seattle does not create big gains with its run game, but it does set up its play calling, and teams tend to blitz through play-action when they do not have to respect it. That could lead to sacks and injuries.
Both teams are better at passing the ball than their advanced stats would indicate. And both teams are constructed somewhat similarly.
Seattle Passing Offense
DVOA: 21.0%
OPass: 5.8
Arizona Passing Offense
DVOA: 22.7%
Arizona: 6.4
Seattle is clearly better because its stats are weakened by Seneca Wallace. Hasselbeck has been sacked less and is averaging 2.8 more ANY/A than Wallace. That is worth almost four games over a full season.
Arizona is better because their talent dictates it, but it is not that cut and dried. Arizona and Seattle are led by venerable, but older quarterbacks with injury histories. The Cardinals are top heavy at their skill position players. Seattle is deeper, but also stronger at its skill positions than its line. As I'll show tomorrow, Arizona relies on keeping blockers in and running longer patterns to get favorable matchups for its receivers. Seattle uses a quick passing attack, but does also run longer routes and max-protect. Both teams can look unstoppable when their quarterback is kept clean, and both teams can shatter when their quarterback is harassed.
An interesting difference between the 2008 Cardinals and the 2009 Cardinals is the loss of Edgerrin James's backfield blocking. Both teams' ability to blitz effectively and unexpectedly will have a huge impact on this game. With James switching sides, Seattle has the undoubtedly better backfield blocking and that could be the difference between long completions and sacks.
With two strong passing offenses, two weak run offenses, and two strong run defenses, pass defense should be where this game turns. Seattle is still thin in its secondary and relies on pressure. Arizona has loaded resources into its secondary, but has only situational pass rushers to create pressure. This is where Seattle could turn an early lead into a blowout.
Seattle Passing Defense
DVOA: 1.6%
DPass: 5.9
Arizona Passing Defense
DVOA: 27.6%
DPass: 7.3
Arizona ranks 23rd in adjusted sack rate, and that number overstates their pass rush. The Cardinals lack an every down player that can provide consistent pressure, and if Seattle can burn them on the blitz, it should have no trouble building drives off a consistent passing threat. However, if Seattle relies too heavily on the run, the Cardinals may blitz at will and exchange big plays allowed with disastrous plays by Seattle. Up to and including an injury to Hasselbeck.
The numbers indicate that Seattle's most likely path to victory is keeping Matt Hasselbeck clean, emphasizing the pass game, including screen passes, and using an early lead to aggressively attack Kurt Warner, even if it means allowing some inevitable long pass plays.
*Did I do that right? I do not know the origin of this joke.
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I was going to make some comment about adjusting pass defense
for strength of opponent (remembering that they recently played Houston and that we hadn’t) but then discovered that we’ve shared many of the same opponents except for them playing Houston and us playing Chicago and St. Louis. We both played SF, IND and JAX.
The strength of schedule (vs passing offenses) seems pretty comparable at first glance.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
by ninjasocks on Oct 15, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Darnell Dockett against our interior line terrifies me
by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait, isn't Dockett playind DE in a 3-4?
Maybe a test for Williams or Willis.
by MFAN on Oct 15, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya he moves around quite a bit I think
He’s going to be a nightmare for Unger and the havoc he creates is going to put tons of pressure on blitz pickups for the guys around him. Identifying blitzers isn’t really Spencer or Wrotto’s strong suit.
by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't get too crazy anymore, though
I expect to see Wilson and Dockett at end. I expect the blitzes to be kind of straightforward, though. They went back to basics, emphasized execution.
It’s hard not to envision them having success in creating key situational pressure.
by jacobstevens on Oct 15, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? The only interior player missing is Rob Sims
Wrotto’s on the left side, Vallos I believe is starting on the other. I think Unger got demoted, I may be wrong though. As far the outside, Willis has been fine, the only person on the line I worry about is Kyle Williams. He’s just overmatched and needs help. Plus if either of them gets injured.
Another area that’s looking good, according to Revenge of the Birds, the Cardinals have been doing terrible against the short passes thanks to bad linebacker play. That’s good for a WCO. I expect Knapp to exploit that and that also helps out a QB get rid of the ball quickly, which Hass has been doing well at lately. Keeping it beneath their secondary would limit their secondary from making big plays.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 15, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vallos was subed in for an injured Wrotto, I don't think Unger got demoted.
by MFAN on Oct 15, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, my mistake, i don't know what i was thinking
For some reason I thought I’d heard that, but it makes no sense.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 15, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think about the receivers..
Last year we were trotting out the likes of Koren Robinson, Keary Colbert, Billie McMullen, Logan Payne, Courtney Taylor, Seneca Wallace… On our best day we also had an over-the-hill Engram and something sort of like what Deion Branch used to be…
Burleson is quietly having an amazing year, he is top 10 in both receiving yard and receiving TD’s this year. His DVOA, DYAR are not great, but quality, obviously his efficiency being affected by Seneca Wallace.. but his 61% catch rate is quite nice.
I think 2009 Nate Burleson and 2009 TJ Houshmandzadeh are the two best Seahawks receivers we have had since 2004 Darrell Jackson? The only thing that comes close is 2007 Bobbie Engram… We are on pace for two 1000+ yard receivers… The 3rd receiver/depth band of Deions Branch and Butler along with Obomanu is comparable to our entire corp any of the last few years. Throw in the obvious upgrade at TE and there is a lot to like about the passing game here. We have not had playmaking ability at skill positions like this in some time and this will make the O-line and Matt look a lot better.
by michaelfox99 on Oct 15, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, John, this is the last straw
Sunday’s game against ArizOna is By fAr the most iMportant game of the yeAr
Nice try there buddy, but I am so sick of you forcing your political beliefs on me (whatever they may be) even if overtly through your hidden little subliminal messages. Don’t even get me started on all the others littered throughout your article, in fact, cancel my account, delete my posts, shoot my dog, skin my fried turnips cos I am done!
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Why did I just hear "Doctor Jones."
As in, “You a funny man, Doctor Jones!”
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 15, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
COVER YOUR HEART INDY!
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 15, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played
But you’re full of crap.
PoliticAl beLIefs oN me
Hypocrite.
The average human being supposedly eats 8 pounds of food per day. Aaron Curry eats 8 humans for breakfast.
by SSreporters on Oct 15, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Berating John for political musings is getting tired.
Unless you stop, drastic action will be taken. Seriously, please stop right now. Heed my warning or face the consequences.
You know check the first letter of each sentence and rec this post.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 15, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
know=now. Epic fail.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 15, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, 'getting tiring'
I don’t think the berating is getting tired.
by LantermanC on Oct 15, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more beer and posting on Field Gulls. Nothing good comes from it.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 15, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, then FG would be a vast wasteland.
There would be no game threads. Just me and Fearless probably.
by LantermanC on Oct 15, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, that's a terrific conversation to imagine
Lanterman: Our O-line is doing pretty well right now.
Fearless: Oh my god, AARON CURRY was the WORST PICK IN THE DRAFT
Lanterman: No, we’re actually on offense right now. What do you think of Hass’s play so far?
Fearless: Ahhhhhhhh, we HAVE to trade Curry NOWW.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Oct 16, 2009 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hahaha
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 16, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roflrockets.
And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.
by Cheddar28 on Oct 16, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No beer and no Field Gulls make Seahawks something something...
…go crazy..?
And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.
by Cheddar28 on Oct 16, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John, I find your succinct descriptions of what you think could happen
to be far superior to the advanced stats. I think it’s very well summed up, and nothing could be more accurate.
by jacobstevens on Oct 15, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there
I see the Seahawks winning this game, but it being fairly close. Maybe 10 points or so difference.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 15, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Arizona is better because their talent dictates it"
I’m a big follower of advanced sports stats, primarily the wages of wins stuff on basketball, and I have to question that assertion of yours. I accept when you say Seattle’s stats are misleading because of Seneca(*) but just saying “the advanced stats say Arizona is worse than it really is because I say so” bothers me.
Since I value your opinion greatly, do you mind elaborating on why you think the advanced stats are wrong?
(*) (although if Seneca plays, the stats would make us think he is better than he is due to Hass’s play time)
by GarethLewin on Oct 15, 2009 5:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fitzgerald, Boldin, Breaston, Hightower and Warner are really good
Theres not much else to say. Just because they’re not performing to expectations through 5 games doesn’t mean you throw out what you know about them.
by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were 9-7 last year, then got hot in the playoffs
Personally, at 2-2, I think they’re performing exactly as expected when taking in account all of last year. I know you’re not saying this, but I think it’s silly for most everyone to expect Arizona to just continue one winning like that (of course, they didn’t even do that, having lost the Super Bowl). I also expect them to bring their A game against Seattle.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 15, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well..
“The playoffs” was 4 games, and they were relatively recent as well. They played well in the Superbowl too- a game we all know is secretly rigged so that the Steelers win anyways..
There is no denying the talent in that pass-O. Its just that teams with great pass-O but terrible run-O and middling D tend to go 9-7..
The Seahawks are a fave in this game based on home-field advantage and their display of talent overall so far this year. However, all of us Seahawks fans are still feeling the effects of 2008 and still feeling 2-3… maybe in a few weeks we will all be really confident going into a home-game against an average team..
by michaelfox99 on Oct 15, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly the opposite of why we look at advanced stats
Our gut instinct on players might be wrong.
I am not saying they can’t get better, but right now there is no reason to believe the statistics are wrong, unless (ofcourse) you believe that the method used to gather those statistics is wrong.
by GarethLewin on Oct 15, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not gut instinct, it's scouting
And the small sample size is reason to think the stats are wrong, along with previous stats that say they’re very good.
by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might be arguing different things
Seattle’s passing attack, with Hasselbeck, has been more productive so far. Arizona’s passing offense however is more talented at the skill positions, they have the edge in true talent level. Both passing games are really good so it’s not a huge surprise that Seattle, with Hasselbeck, would be outperforming Arizona.
by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not huge..
I still tend to think when everything flattens out, ARI is better through the air. Seattle (as I mention above) has a very special WR corps.. but ARI’s WR corps may be one of the greatest ever… RB sort of a wash (better catching vs. better pass blocking) and we win TE.
by michaelfox99 on Oct 15, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the game Arizona unleashes Beanie Wells on us.
by Misfit74 on Oct 15, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He reminds me of Shaun Alexander in a good way.
I’m hoping he fumbles early or blows a block or something like that so Whisenhunt remembers that he benched him.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 15, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subject line meant to be unrelated to body.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 15, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a point
statistics can be clue us into decline we might not at first see, but I haven’t seen notable decline in Arizona’s offensive core and therefore think their advanced showing is not representative of their potential play.
by John Morgan on Oct 16, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle and Arizona have already faced three common opponents. SF, IND, JAX
It may or may not be worth the comparison.
SF 20 @ ARI 16
ARI 31 @ JAC 17
IND 31 @ ARI 10
SEA 10 @ SF 23
SEA 17 @ IND 34
JAC 0 @ SEA 41
Points per game were exactly the same (I found this both interesting and odd)
Off/Def:
ARI 19 / 22.7
SEA 19 / 22.7
Both teams went 1-2 losing the same games to Indy and San Fran while winning big against Jacksonville. A difference is Arizona lost both their games at home and won the away game while Seattle did just the opposite. A bigger difference is Seattle was missing their starting QB for exactly half their games. The six quarters they were dominated in.
I was thinking about doing some yardage comparisons against their common players, but I don’t know if that will tell us a whole lot. Peyton Manning lit both teams up. One big difference is Shaun Hill had his best day against Arizona, and while Frank Gore absolutely creamed Seattle, Arizona creamed Frank Gore. Arizona also gave up a lot of yards to David Gerard (mostly garbage time?) while Seattle made him look like a rookie.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 15, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Awe crap, I got my points per game wrong
Thanks to Jacksonville, Seattle actually outscored it’s opponents. 22.7 points for, 19 points against.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 15, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice info
The home/away stuff might be less relevant than saying if you had to rank the 5 times, Indy and SF are better than AZ and SEA, and Jax sucks.
by GarethLewin on Oct 15, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The keys here, in my opinion, are the losses of Hass and Mebane.
Hass is out? The Hawks’ offense stumbles badly. He’s in? It’s cruising up and down the field (intial batch of INT’s notwithstanding).
Mebane is out? Gore runs all over us. Mebane is in? We’re pretty staunch against the run.
The stats shown on this thread, as far as I can tell, seem to indicate a virtual deadlock between Seattle and Arizona. These stats do NOT account for injuries, and for that matter I give the decided edge to Seattle in this matchup.
Now, I am not as knowledgable about any injuries Arizona has had, but from what I can tell they certainly haven’t missed anyone as important as Hass or Mebane.
by djafrot on Oct 15, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of things here:
Burke ranks Seattle as tied with New York for 27th, while DVOA sees an above average run defense, 13th. <—which ‘New York’?
amiright? I think comes from KSK’s Tommie (Tawwmy or whatever the NE fan) usually done just like you did and often followed by NO ONE DENIES THIS!
Thanks for the preview. I’ve been waiting for this. This makes me happy happy happy!
by Misfit74 on Oct 15, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Any chance Knapp pulls something unexpected out of his hat?
Given their above-average blocking ability, and chance both James and Jones appear in the backfield together? Does that create some sort of triple threat (run/outlet pass to RB/downfield pass to WR) that Arizona might not be prepared for?
Really, I’m just pulling this out of thin air. I have no understanding of football strategy. Just thought there might be some sort of advantage there.
by KHF on Oct 15, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, I think a few charts and graphs might help me visualize this better.
No? …damn.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 15, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We have to hold at home.
Based on all of what everyone has said this game is pretty much even. It’s about who performs on Sunday and executes against the defensive lines pressure. Arizona’s front 4 and blitzes against our O-line scares me but our D-line against the Cards O-line should scare them to. As usual turnovers will dictate who wins this game. If we get pressure on Warner throughout I love our chances. He ate up that John Marshall’s prevent crap last year in the 1st half of the 2nd game but in the 2nd half when we brought pressure got to Warner easily. This game is up to Bradley! Bump run and blitz would be nice but maybe our front 4 this year is good enough to not have to blitz. I do think the Cards front 4 are good against a quick passing attack which is our strong suit so we’ll have to run the ball consistantly to keep them off balance (haven’t done that all year). They tip balls and get there hands up at the line of scrimmage as good as anyone in the league. John Carlson would be a huge weapon in this game if he didn’t have to stay in and help protect. It’s mind numbing thinking about it. That being said I think the Seahawks squeak out a win 27-21 with Curry and Jackson both causing turnovers. Go Hawks!
by Mr. Blache III on Oct 15, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we could win this game even easily,
but I think the wheels will come off if Darnell Dockett gets consistent pressure against his match-up.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 16, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why we'll have to keep a back in the backfield or Carlson in to block
Dockett scares me to. And in the past Arizona has had success blitzing (especially up the middle) Hasselbeck when we have had a healthier O-line in the past. Screen passes to Forsett all day along with a couple of deep attempts to Butler. I think the Rook can be effective in this game. You have to make Arizona’s DB’s respect the deep ball or they will cheat on our shorter routes. That’s why I think the Rook could be a great threat on Sunday. This game will come down to who’s D-Line gets more pressure on the QB. I hope Knapp rolls Hass out a few times to keep the Cards off balance to.
by Mr. Blache III on Oct 16, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait up here...
they’ve had success blitzing up the middle when we’ve had a healthy line?!?
When have we had a healthy line????
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 16, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't understand this comment in the post
“…but has only situational pass rushers to create pressure. This is where Seattle could turn an early lead into a blowout.”
but the stats that follow don’t support that , what am i missing here?
Seattle Passing Defense
DVOA: 1.6%
DPass: 5.9
Arizona Passing Defense
DVOA: 27.6%
DPass: 7.3
by paul2 on Oct 16, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That explains it.
I was confused as well.
by LantermanC on Oct 16, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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