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Auditting the Seahawks Roster: Center

Max Unger is tall and wears his weight high. He was a center at Oregon, but Oregon runs an unorthodox offense. Unger does not have the ideal build of a center and Seattle has converted him to guard. But did Seattle select Unger to play guard, or is he a guard today out of deference for Chris Spencer?

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Max Unger is tall and wears his weight high. He was a center at Oregon, but Oregon runs an unorthodox offense. Unger does not have the ideal build of a center and Seattle has converted him to guard. But did Seattle select Unger to play guard, or is he a guard today out of deference for Chris Spencer?

Is it any wonder Tim Ruskell values center so highly?

Chris Spencer: Spencer is supposed to be that rare blend of build and athleticism that can play in any system, and maybe he can. His footwork and overall technique are a work in progress, but Spencer has shown progress. He improves every season. That is significant, because at 27 Spencer is not in the midst of his prime, but really just entering it. I do not know the specifics of it, I would guess it is a combination of knowledge, upper body strength and finding the right fit, but center peaks late. Waaay late.

The player every Seahawks fan wants Spencer to be, Robbie Tobeck, was starting at left guard for the Atlanta Falcons when he turned 27.He was blocking for the much sacked Chris Chandler and Billy Joe Toliver, both were sacked on greater than 10% of all pass plays, and the then unknown Jamal Anderson. Anderson averaged 3.5 yards per carry that year.

Tobeck signed a free agent contract with Seattle in 2000. He was 30. The contract was for five-years, $6.8 million. As a six-year veteran, his pay was a little more than double the veteran minimum. Tobeck was not a highly sought free agent.

Nor is he a very fair comparison for Spencer or a standard for what Spencer should become, but he is a familiar example of a retread offensive line talent that seemed to peak late. Ruskell drafted Spencer while Tobeck was still starting. Spencer was not a longtime starter at Mississippi and was a bit unpolished entering the NFL. Ruskell must have known that though Spencer was talented enough to start in a pinch, his real value was locked in his potential.

So if Spencer is improving and entering the period we would assume to be his prime, why does it seem certain the Seahawks will not retain him?

Max Unger: Seattle avoided the inherent controversy created by drafting a center in the second round of the 2009 draft by quickly converting that center to a guard. It wasn't unthinkable that Unger could be a guard, but it wasn't exactly conventional wisdom either. Unger himself has said he is a center and wants to play center. Maybe five years from now that will be forgotten, but it seems important today.

Unger is playing right guard but it would not be a radical or retarding decision to switch him back to center following the 2009 season. He has extensive college experience at center and while 2009 may forever be a year of lost development for Unger the center, I assume he would pick it back up if needed and already be more developed at the position than he is guard.

There is something odd afoot and it leaves me unsure of Seattle's plans.

Whatever the plan, and maybe the plan is only to have options, Seattle is stacked at center. Spencer is quietly becoming a very good center, but his contract ends at the end of the season. An uncapped season would make him a restricted free agent, and I am sure Ruskell would take the chance to save money, but does he return Seattle's center of the future or a one year stopgap blocking a large investment?

Spencer has the center's build. He is between 6'2" and 6'3", carries his 309 throughout his body and over a strong lower half. He is an ideal matchup against the suddenly pervasive 3-4 nose tackle.

It was when watching Unger get blocked back against college level nose tackles that I first began seeing him as a guard. Unger is 6'5", and carries his weight on his shoulders and through his midsection. He is a technical blocker that doesn't overpower and may never matchup well against ever-larger 3-4 nose tackles. As a pass blocker, he is best using technique to ward off and slow rushers, using his reach and slide step to keep the defender ahead of him. He is weak against the bull rush and the bull rush is the primary weapon for most nose tackles.

Steve Vallos: When Spencer missed the first two games of the season, Vallos started at center ahead of Unger. Vallos started at left guard in week six, so Vallos did not start ahead of Unger because the team did not trust Vallos to play guard.

Vallos was okay at center. As I would expect, he was where he was supposed to be, but unlike I would expect, he wasn't there getting his face punched off. Zone blocking schemes are designed to protect players like Vallos, and though he can look almost puny at times, smaller players than Vallos have succeeded in the system. It seems odd to say it now, and I won't hesitate to say it might be premature (Vallos started against the Rams and 49ers) but Vallos looks like decent, extremely cheap center depth, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Seattle might be superabundant at center or it might be months away from looking for a new one. Spencer is a great physical talent and he could be a great zone blocking center, but his standing within the organization has always seemed shaky and his rookie contract is coming to an end. Unger could be his successor or already permanently converted to guard. That would make me happy, but maybe not Unger. The bare facts are that Seattle has invested tremendous resources into the position and acquired great talent and depth, but it's anyone's guess who plays center for the Seahawks in 2010.

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"he can look almost puny at times"

Isn’t Vallos almost identical to Spencer in height/weight?

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 21, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to the Seahawk site they're identical

according to pfr Spencer is 12 pounds heavier.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 21, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After what we've been through, I'll be shocked if they let Spencer walk

I know it seemed likely before this season that it could be Spencer’s last here, but Spencer returned and looks pretty good. If he stays healthy I just don’t think we can afford to lose any starting-caliber players from our O line. I say TR needs to open the wallet and pay the man.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Oct 21, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pay the man makes sense, but we all saw what Brown signed for (five-years, $37.5 million).

Though I’m not sure how much he’ll be in demand or if he’d command the same rate, but it is cause for concern with at least one other player on the team ready for big-time contract (Tapp). And, last time I checked, we hadn’t locked up Mebane long-term yet, either. I’m curious how the team will invest.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.

by Misfit74 on Oct 21, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope Ruskell makes it happen

I know he will be coveted because I think he’s a really good center but I hope Ruskell finds a way. Money could be gained by releasing Jones, Kerney, or Branch. Not to mention restructuring. If Spencer leaves we have one more hole on the offensive line. However if he stays Locklear, Simms, Spencer, Unger, Willis. That is pretty decent.

by Hancock.Brett on Oct 21, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally I hope that Spencer is signed, preferably to a multi-year contract

He’ll be fairly cheap, I’d expect his deal to be fairly in line with what Willis got.

If we didn’t sign him we’d have to bring in another center for depth.

And also, without Spencer we’d have to endure the growing pains of Unger at Center, with Vallos being primary backup.

by kearly on Oct 21, 2009 8:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Have you audited the interior DT position?

As in Colin Cole, Mebane, Redding, and Terrill?

Our inside pass rush absolutely blows. I’m especially disappointed by the complete lack of production on third downs by Redding. On DVR he gets zero pressure on the QB. Mebane is up and down, and Terrill is even worse then Redding. I actually think Redding is pretty good against the run inside, but then isn’t that Cole’s job?

What a mess Ruskell has made, fucking up the interior D-line while completely neglecting the offensive line.

by kmedic on Oct 21, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it's cole's job

but he’s looked like crap in my eyes this year. I never thought we would miss Rocky that much.

by Hancock.Brett on Oct 21, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Rocky looked bad compared to his old self,

but I’d much rather have him on the team than Cole’s fat ass.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 22, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"There is something odd afoot and it leaves me unsure of Seattle's plans."

John, you are not alone…

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 22, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was "Something is rotten in Denmark" but I could be wrong.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 22, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are mostly correct.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. -Marcellus to Horatio
Hamlet Act 1 scene 4.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 22, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I debated looking it up before I said it

And then realized it was 1 AM and I didn’t give a shit. If I had I would look smarter, but alas…

by DJ C-Raig on Oct 22, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there any chance they franchise him?

Give him another year to try and stay healthy.

by Hawkhammer19 on Oct 22, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be a waste, considering Spencer hasn't really lived up to his first-round status even when healthy,

and we have far more important free agents to worry about, like Tapp and maybe Lucas.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 22, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But are either of them worthy of the franchise tag?

Or are you saying we just don’t use it this year.

by Hawkhammer19 on Oct 22, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure we'll use it

when was the last year we didn’t? 2001?

There’s Redding and Tapp as possible choices. Spencer and Sims.

by jacobstevens on Oct 22, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only see Tapp as really franchise-worthy out of that bunch

Of course, an uncapped year really changes things.

by djafrot on Oct 22, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also used it on a kicker.

I agree with you. But that and how thy’ll use it are two different things.

by jacobstevens on Oct 22, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just saying that franchise tagging anybody would be prohibitive to signing a bunch of our own players

who will be unrestricted FAs at the end of the season.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 22, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, random NFL question while looking at the photo included here.

In high school ball in pre-season it is common and traditional to use the old “Athletic Tape Sharpied Last Name” on the helmet. I find it a little funny to see the NFL’s version above for a couple reasons.

First, the name tag is done in some high quality way here. No athletic tape, we’re talking actual label style. Look at how well done that “Unger” in all caps is— it’s a work of labeling art.

Second, do they really need to do this? I mean, they all have their last names on the jerseys!!! Or is it simply done because, well, that’s what every coach since the dawn of full helmets have done???

It just kind of cracked me up…

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 22, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The way I see it.

Tim Ruskell will resign Spencer for a reasonable price. I say reasonable because I’m hoping other teams will shy away from Spencer due to his injury history. I think there is little fear for the Seahawks, if Spencer get injured again since they have good depth at the center position.

Letting Spencer get away will only make the offensive line a bigger project and slow the development by adding more new pieces.

by LostLeader on Oct 22, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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