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A Long Look at Jake Locker, Pro Quarterback, After a Brief Look at Jake Locker, Amateur Quarterback

I was not agog over Jake Locker, but he does have a quick release.

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I was not agog over Jake Locker, but he does have a quick release.

I watched Jake Locker with some interest this Saturday. Locker has surpassed Taylor Mays as the local athlete Seahawks fans most desire. This is not a comprehensive review of Locker. I tuned out after the game became lopsided. Like Rodney Hudson, this is just my early impressions and opinions.

Locker is known for his athleticism. He is purported to have 4.4 speed. I highly doubt he does. Michael Vick didn't run at the 2001 NFL Combine, but LaDainian Tomlinson did. He ran a 4.42. 4.4 speed for a quarterback is very uncommon. At that same Combine, the top forties among quarterbacks belonged to Quincy Carter and Mike McMahon, 4.55 and 4.54 respectively. Locker profiles a little like McMahon.

McMahon was stuck on a terrible Rutgers team. He started midway through his freshman season and was hurt his junior season. His offensive line was thought awful. The Scarlet Knights won 8 of McMahon's 31 starts. Locker has won 6 of 24. That line, the surrounding talent, and the game situations McMahon faced justified his poor counting stats to some scouts. He never completed 50% of his passes for a season and threw 52 interceptions to only 41 touchdown passes. Locker has completed 51.7% of his passes for his career and has 27 touchdowns to 23 interceptions. McMahon clearly had the speed, but he wasn't a great rusher. He averaged 3.6 yards per carry his senior season. Locker has averaged 4.53 for his career, but only 2.8 this season.

I ran upon McMahon by accident. He was drafted by the Detroit Lions in the fifth round of the 2001 draft. McMahon started midway through his rookie season for the eventual 2-14 Marty Mornhinweg led Lions. It might seem a given the Lions rot, but they were 9-7 the season before, 8-8 and playoff bound the season before that, and both seasons post-Barry Sanders. Mornhinweg has since established himself as a top offensive coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles. He was able to get production from Charlie Batch. Batch completed 58.1% of his passes that season and had 5.1 adjusted net yards an attempt. McMahon completed 46.1% of his passes, threw for 4.1 adjusted net yards an attempt and suffered a staggering sack percentage of 15.4%. The Lions line might have been bad, but when the eminently sackable Batch posts an 8.8% sack rate behind the same line, it says something when his replacement nearly doubles it.

McMahon never went on to success. The tools that scouts drooled over were undermined by his poor quarterback skills. His completion percentage and sack rate did not rebound in the pros, they got worse. He continued to throw interceptions at a rate well above his ability to throw touchdowns. Taking a long-shot flier on McMahon in the fifth was not the move that ruined Matt Millen, but every game McMahon started, Millen's Lions were expected to lose. McMahon finished his Lions career 1-6 and his professional career 3-11. Millen never did get his quarterback. He drafted Joey Harrington and got Joey Harrington. Harrington completed 55.2% of his passes at Oregon and 56.1% as a pro.

The point of this lengthy aside should be obvious. It is very hard to see Locker as a pro prospect when he has played very poorly in college. The synthesis of Locker and his surrounding talent is difficult to split. How do we apportion credit and blame? Like McMahon, Locker is believed to have a spotty to bad offensive line, but the sacks kept coming when McMahon hit the pros. A recent study by Pro Football Reference found sack percentage is the stat that is most consistent among quarterbacks changing teams. The next most consistent is completion percentage.

That shouldn't surprise anyone. As I detailed with Seneca Wallace, a quarterback can create much of his own pressure. Locker creates pressure. He is hyper-vigilant of the pass rush and begins to pace in the pocket, scramble or roll out even when pressure is not applied. Against Oregon, he ran into a sack on a three man rush. The Huskies had kept a blocker in and every Duck pass rusher was double teamed. Locker wasn't sitting in the pocket and the rush was somewhat disruptive, but no Duck was free or even closing on him when he decided to escape right and right into the defensive end.

He hasn't shaken that first instinct to run, but is stuck in a middle ground where he doesn't run decisively and doesn't stand in the pocket and pass. He makes some curious reads and does not show consistent accuracy. Locker has a nice mix of touch and arm-strength, but those are secondary abilities, of little worth before a quarterback has mastered pocket-presence, read and accuracy.

The Husky skill position players are ok: Certainly not the class of college, but not punishingly bad. The Husky's line is pour but not porous. Locker had time in the pocket on most snaps, not enviable time, but time enough to pass. He made throws with all the zip, touch and placement of a pro, but never consistently. His quick release is his best asset. Locker has a compact, ball-over-ear throwing motion. He doesn't wind up or expose the ball and it's out fast enough to hit receivers before the defensive back can respond. That's a great skill and one that will serve him well in the pros, should he make it that far.

Locker should return for another season. Mock draft boards are mercurial because change attracts readers. Husky homers eat up Jake Locker soaring up draft boards. October mock drafts are made to inspire links, not to reflect reality. Locker's foot speed is likely as trumped up as his prototypical height. 6'3" hasn't been prototypical for a decade. 6'5" is prototypical in the modern NFL. 6'3" is adequate. Locker is nevertheless an interesting mix of tools. If he ever learns to play quarterback, his ability to rush could complement his pass abilities like it has Donovan McNabb. He isn't Michael Vick and he won't run away from pro linebackers anticipating a run. I doubt he has true 4.4 speed and his moves are pedestrian for a pro quarterback.

He is at least a season from learning to play quarterback at anything close to the pro level. He exhibits major red flags: pocket presence, decision making and consistent accuracy. Any one could undercut him as a pro. Locker must first prove he can be a great college quarterback before Seattle fans envision him a great Seahawks quarterback. As he stands today, Locker is more Mike McMahon than Steve Young. Matt Millen suffered after drafting McMahon in the fifth. Tim Ruskell would look like quite the Millen if he dared draft Jake Locker in the first.

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This I agree with.

I’ve always felt that scrambling QB’s can’t make it in the NFL unless they learn to throw. Locker is another season out from doing that. I won’t buy into him until his accuracy surpasses ~57% for a whole season. Then maybe, depending on other things. But a 50% accuracy QB just can’t make it.

by Fear on Oct 26, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So, my questions are... for anyone who wants to answer:

Should Jake come out this year,

-where WILL he be drafted?

-where SHOULD he be drafted?

Sounds to me like he’s simply not an NFL quarterback at all, so he should probably be a 6th or 7th round flier.

by djafrot on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably to early to say on where he'd be drafted.

As John mentioned “Mock drafts in October are to inspire links and not reality.”

I remember after the 2003 draft when Mel Kipper said that Cody Pickett would be the top QB in the 2004 draft.

In the end I don’t think Locker would go to high, unless a team just fell in love with his tools.

by MFAN on Oct 26, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Locker is nearly a 1st round lock because of his tools.

Financially he should come out this year because of the pending issues with the bargaining agreement.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Huskies O-line is *poor* but not porous.

Nicely done, thanks John. Being out of the area I don’t get to watch the Huskies often, so I’m appreciative of the analysis.

by thebyron on Oct 26, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

After watching what I could of the Oregon, ASU games

I hope he returns for another year as well.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Oct 26, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah and he has a good coach.

Another year with Sarkisian could be really good for Locker.

by MFAN on Oct 26, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he stays, and should...

Maybe I’m being a homer but I just see Sarkisian as making him into a pro prospect.
I dont foam at the mouth for any of the QB’s Ive seen so far this year.

by Strictnine on Oct 26, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The difference between this year and last year are amazing.

Last year I said there was no chance he would play QB in the pros.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here.

Last year I felt Locker was a poor man’s version of Tim Tebow (a really crappy QB prospect in his own right) but would probably find his way on an NFL roster due to his athleticism. Now, he actually looks like a real QB.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he stays as well, but perhaps Bradford's situation will make him leave.

What if he gets injured next year? That could be anywhere from $5 to $40 million dollars lost. Even the most loyal Husky would have to question what the ‘smart’ decision would be.

by LantermanC on Oct 26, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think money will be the deciding factor.

A) He already has high draft pick signing bonus money from the Angels (though it would pale in comparison to top10 NFL draft money)
B) I heard he has a solid insurance package

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that much money.

He lost his scholarship so he has to pay for school now.

Its a nice chunk of change no doubt but its not filthy rich.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing this isn't actually true.

Players generally have an add on included in their contract that pays for their college degree. I had a cousin drafted as a pitcher years ago who signed with WAZZU and then signed his contract. His contract stipulated that if he went back to school without making the bigs the Indians would pay the cost of an equivalent to 4 years at WAZZU at the time.

I’m guessing as a high profile scholarship athlete in an alternative sport, Locker has a similar add-on stipulation built into his Angels contract.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i heard

that the big stipulation was that he need to have them pay for the rest of his college

by el pato on Oct 27, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But everyone that knows him

Thinks he won’t leave.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but they've said this about a lot of people.

$40-50 million dollars does a lot to someone’s head (not saying it’s wrong to take the money).

by LantermanC on Oct 26, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he should take the money personally.

But I think he will stay.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Money can’t buy happiness, and you only get your college age years once. Thinking back to how much fun college was, I can’t even imagine leaving early to go work the rest of my life if I already had a backup opportunity, as he does given the already acquired contract.

But that’s me.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also doubt he leaves

It won’t be beneficial to him in the long run. It’s a pretty QB rich class with prospects like Bradford, McCoy, possibly Clausen, and yes, Tim Tebow in the mix. With some fine tuning with Sarkisian, he can very much be the number one pick for next year.

I don’t see the injury issue with Sarkisian’s pro style offense. Locker has improved his pocket presence and is taking much better care of himself. You see him throwing the ball away much more this year rather than taking off and running for it.

Plus, Locker seems like the player who actually cares about the team and program. They went from a winless team to beating USC. Sure, they aren’t perfect, but who knows what they accomplish next year?

by aerozeppelin on Oct 27, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Locker could break out

I love his quick release and he has an NFL arm, but the quarterback I watched on Saturday needs more time in college.

by John Morgan on Oct 27, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he will leave.

I just think he should leave if it was based on a financial decision.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 27, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike McMahon

If this is the best physical comparison I’ll take your word for it. Another way to look at him would be to compare him to college quarterbacks who excelled on otherwise poor teams and faced topnotch competition every week. Off the top of my head the nearest comparison would then be Jay Cutler. Locker’s passing numbers look quite similar to Cutler’s after the same number of college games. And it’s quite possible that by the end of Locker’s career he will have played against the toughest schedule of college teams that any of us are likely to see in our lifetimes.

You are absolutely right that he still makes lots of bad decisions and he definitely needs his senior season before turning pro. I hope we’re having this same discussion a year from now.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Oct 26, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't compare well to Cutler

and I know, because I compared him to Cutler researching this. Cutler had a much higher completion percentage, better touchdown to interception ratio and better yards per attempt than Locker.

by John Morgan on Oct 26, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, Look at comparable points in their careers,

Cutler’s comp. pct. and TD/INT were hardly any different than Locker’s. Cutler did have a better YPA. On the other hand, Locker has faced tougher competition.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Oct 26, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler played in the SEC

I’d say the competition argument comes out to a wash when you consider the ridiculousness of UW’s schedule’s while Locker has been there.

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by bluemax on Oct 26, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler played in the SEC East,

which was not as good in those days as you perceive it to be. Vanderbilt also played a vastly easier OOC schedule, including four games against 1AA teams.

The cumulative final records of all the teams Vanderbilt played from 2002-2005, excluding the 1AA teams, was 284-217, .567.

The cumulative final records plus current records of all the teams Locker has played is 181-94, .658..

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Oct 26, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's to hope...

Let’s compare some facts:
“J” was born in June, in Washington state— less than 100 miles from Seattle— also less that 30 miles across the straight of Juan de Fuca from Victoria island…
Comes from a football family, 6’ 3", roughly 215-220 lbs, strong arm, hard to bring down, runs/scrambles well, with a legit option to play baseball if he football doesn’t pan out.
At least one draft “expert” has rated him the #1 QB prospect in the draft.

Obviously I’m talking about John Elway, but these statements also apply to Jake. I hope he improves to get to that level, and I don’t see any reason why he can’t.

Also, they say that a week before his demise, Lincoln was in Monroe, Maryland, while Kennedy was in Marilyn Monroe. -oops- wrong comparison.

by Kryten on Oct 27, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not a huge Elway fan, but

it’s worth mentioning that Elway has a much stronger arm than Locker and was 6’3", 220, 30 years ago, when 6’3", 220 was still prototypical. Ben Roethlisberger would have ruled the eighties.

by John Morgan on Oct 27, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just thought the similarities were interesting...

and, as I said, a man can hope. . .
Actually, I hope he doesn’t get so good that we (‘Hawks) don’t get a shot at him.

Of course, with our luck we’ll keep getting injured, keep starting guys off the street, and finish just ahead of the Rams, who will pick right before us and take whoever we wanted.

I know— call me an optimist…

by Kryten on Oct 27, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How important is height?

Jason Campbell is 6’5" and sucks. Drew Brees is 6’0" and elite. Favre is barely 6’2" and still going strong. I can understand if Locker were short, but being 6’3" is probably the last thing I’d worry about.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 27, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't worry about height too much

but it matters. Big, powerful quarterbacks like Ben and Daunte clearly weather a pass rush better, both because they can chuck sacks and because it’s very hard to block their throwing lane.

by John Morgan on Oct 27, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dilfer says yes,

it’s important. But he was on the radio (Cowherd) and I was in traffic and trying to drink coffee and text and listen and watch for scantily clad baristas— so I may have mis-heard… I actually didn’t know who it was saying that until I discovered it was Trent a little later.

Behring wanted McGwire over FaVre because he was taller. So obviously it isn’t the most important things… But having a QB with some size is better than one without, because of the hits you need to absorb or shrug off. I think that was Trent’s point, and I missed most of the conversation.

To me, 6’ 3" is a VG height for a QB. Under 6’ is a handicap.

(j/k about texting!)

by Kryten on Oct 27, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think throwing lanes are all about height of the QB.

Your example of Brees is evidence to that. Though, I do concur that a 6’5" QB is probably ideal…as long as it’s not Jason Campbell.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.

by Misfit74 on Oct 27, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No on Seneca Wallace 2.0

I’m being harsh on Locker, I know, but right now an athletic QB with issues detecting the pass rush is not what I want in the next Seahawks QB. Seeing as though we’re headed for a Top-10 pick right now, a taller, younger Seneca sounds like a bad idea to me.

by J.L. White on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree and admire most everyting said.

I’ve been touting a return to school for many of the reasons you stated.

The hype-machine rolls on when you see articles like this: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-NFP-Super-30.html

In the first installment of the National Football Post’s Super 30, we break down and rank the nation’s top junior and senior prospects for next year’s NFL Draft.

1. QB Jake Locker, Washington (6-3, 226)
The nation’s top quarterback prospect.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.

by Misfit74 on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Full disclosure: I am a Huskies fan and the prospect of Jake Locker becoming an NFL QB excites me.

But very few people, including me, will argue that he would stand to benefit by staying another season in school.

But I don’t see how he’s any worse a prospect than anyone else in this draft. Tebow has the worst mechanics since Byron Leftwich, Colt McCoy is a noodle-arm in a spread system, Bradford is surrounded by NFL talent and could be the next Jason White/Josh Heupel and may be injury prone (and of course, shotgun heavy system), Pike probably isn’t even a first-day talent.

I’d love Locker to stay another year but I could absolutely see him being the first or second QB taken depending on his combine, and it would be hard to fault a guy for passing up on millions.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Full disclosure: I am a Coug

Count me as skeptical about Locker’s pro prospects, but you completely nailed it with the question “who’s better?”

If this article was written about whether Locker should enter the draft this year, I think it’s clear that he’ll be drafted high and make a ton of money, so the answer is yes. But the article is about whether the Seahawks should draft him, and as a fan of the team, I think the answer is pretty clearly no.

by johnnycougar on Oct 27, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not a good idea to judge Locker based on the Oregon game

Oregon could possibly be in the national title mix when the season is over, and I think they have a very good chance of representing the PAC-10 in the Rosebowl. They are an excellent team. And though its not a huge deal, Locker looked good in the 4th quarter, leading two touchdown drives.

Not sure if I buy that Locker created his own pressure. Even the 3 man rush sack got to him pretty fast. Most of his sacks were “oh shit” sacks that happened very quickly, and to make things worse, they were usually on 4 man rushes (so the defense was mostly committing to coverage and still got great pressure). The Huskies offensive line is not the worst in the college game, but they are pretty horrible. Unless you are Ben Roethlisberger, O-line play will make it difficult to judge a QB’s performance.

I don’t know if Locker has 4.4 speed but I do know he’s visibly faster than Tebow and when healthy, one of the fastest QB’s I’ve seen in a long time. He nursed a hamstring injury as a sophomore which took away his speed, but his rookie year, he had nearly 1000 rush yards behind a bad O-line. He got those yards often by outrunning DBs. I’d say his speed is 95% back this year. Did you see his 56 yard TD run against Arizona two weeks ago? When healthy, he basically does not get caught from behind. I’m definitely interested to see how he clocks in at the combine.

Locker is flawed and should not declare for the draft this year. He’s improved immensely this season and I could easily see him taking another giant step forward with Sarkisian next season. He’s not NFL ready. Heck, he might not even be NFL ready after next season. I’ve seen every minute of every game he’s played since he started his first game against Syracuse three seasons back. Here’s what I’d say about his flaws:

Touch on deep pass. Its gotten a lot better. It used to be really terrible. Now its almost average.

Read/decision making. He has a strong arm and sometimes likes to zip mid range passes in very tight windows. He’s mostly gotten away with it, but he might not be so lucky against pro secondaries.

Takes too many hits. Doesn’t slide enough. Big improvement this season in this regard, but this had been a massive problem for him.

Despite his speed, he’s pretty ordinary at avoiding sacks.

Mid range accuracy has gotten a lot better. It used to be pretty bad.

by kearly on Oct 26, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding touch on deep pass

I’ve noticed that when he takes an extra split second and calmly lobs the deep pass, he almost always has precise deep accuracy. However when he passes in his more typical fast release method, his deep balls tend to be overthrown by 5-10 yards.

by kearly on Oct 26, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also had a pulled quad in the Oregon Game

I think questioning his 4.4 speed based off of that game is baseless. I too have seen him run away from DB’s and he always looks like the fastest guy on the field when he is healthy.

Having said that….I don’t think his accuracy has improved all that much. While it is better we have 2-3 WR’s that have been making a lot of tough catches for him this season.

I hope he stays in school.

I hope the Hawks draft him the year after.

I’m a homer.

I saw a Kelly Jennings INT.......really....

by The Manchild on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't judging his speed by that game, just to be clear

I just doubt Locker has 4.4 speed. Pre Combine numbers are almost always inflated. 4.4 is amazingly fast.

by John Morgan on Oct 27, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a pretty big guy as well.

That probably inflates it as well. Big guys who run fast seem even faster.

My guess is Taylor Mays really runs a 4.42 and Locker runs a 4.55 (still as good as Curry, although he is 20 or so pounds lighter).

by LantermanC on Oct 28, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pro day speeds are typically faster as well

Something about reaction times of the guy with the stopwatch vs computer-clocked times.

"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie

by ninjasocks on Oct 28, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding UW skill positions

They are not elite, but they are quite good. Aguilar and Kearse are very good WR despite being young. I think Aguilar is a sophomore or junior, and Kearse is a freshman. Goodwin has struggled but was good in 2008.

Middleton is a good tight end that has very reliable hands for a TE.

Chris Polk is a good RB. He reminds me of Julius Jones, if Julius Jones was very good at breaking tackles.

by kearly on Oct 27, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is very hard to see Locker as a pro prospect when he has played very poorly in college.

Which is exactly what I have been saying all along. Any team thinking about drafting him ought to check out some video of Rick Mirer’s second year with the Seahawks because that is about what yer gonna get.

by mrcoffee1969 on Oct 27, 2009 6:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think college performance is overrated.

I’m not advocating that teams solely draft on tools, but personally I don’t give a shit how many TDs Colt Brennan, Sam Bradford, or Graham Harrell can throw for in cartoon offenses.

"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."

by Fearless Frog on Oct 27, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs


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