Monday Night Football/Jason Campbell is the Future - Game Thread
by John Morgan on Oct 26, 2009 5:17 PM PDT
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PrintI am looking for a local bar with wifi so I can watch this, but wherever, I will find a way to see Jason Campbell work. I am putting this up now, but my plan is to get another post before I embark. Campbell is not a popular quarterback. He lives in that narrow range between the good quarterbacks fans adore and haters discredit based on their surrounding talent and the bad quarterbacks fans ignore and haters defend based on their surrounding talent. He has a 60.5% completion percentage for his career, one that has improved every season and is now 65.6%, and a 5.8% sack percentage for his career. His sack percentage has increased with his completion percentage. The Redskins have a weak offensive line, and their best lineman, Chris Samuels, is out for the season and considering retirement.
The case for Jason Campbell is simple. He does not cost Seattle a draft pick. He has proven at least competent as a pro. His mix of mobility and arm strength make him a good fit for the Greg Knapp offense. He is Tim Ruskell approved. The final argument might be new to some. Campbell turns 28 New Year's Eve of this year. Pro Football Reference found a quarterback's peak seasons are 28-31. In those seasons, a general NFL quarterback performs at 98.5, 100, 99.5 and 97.3% of their capacity, so to speak. If Seattle signed Campbell to a five-year contract, it would also get Campbell's age 32 season, where he would be expected to perform at 93.7% of his ability.
Compare that to the Seahawks most likely alternatives. 2010 would be Matt Hasselbeck's age 35 season. An average NFL quarterback performs at 76.8% of his ability at 35 and 69.9% at 36. A drafted quarterback, say Sam Bradford, would be 22-23 in 2010. A 23 year old quarterback performs at 53.1% of his ability. A young quarterback does not perform at above 80% until they are 26. 2013-2014 is a long time to wait before Seattle contends again, and much of its current talent would be gone or past its prime.
The Seahawks are stuck in the morass between quarterbacks. Teams find occasional success unearthing former busts, like Tennessee did last season with Kerry Collins. But refurbished busts are a temporary solution and teams that get fat with them one season often live to regret it. Contenders develop their own quarterbacks, or, like Drew Brees and the Saints, find that very rare free agent quarterback still before or in his prime. Seattle could draft a pick and wait, it could count on Matt Hasselbeck though Hasselbeck has exhibited every recognizable sign of decline, it could ignore that most important position and attempt to build everything else, or it could invest free agent dollars into Jason Campbell, have him for his peak, preserve its two first round picks, and attempt to win now, with the talent its developed just entering their peak. Thus avoiding the total tear down and rebuild that might otherwise be unavoidable.
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"out for the reason"
The reason being the knee injury I’m betting. But what’s his season status?
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As a stopgap, yes
As a future face of the franchise, no.
If he can’t run a West Coast system* in DC how can he run it here?
- = depending Sherm Lewis’ playcalling
Different West Coast system.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Could you explain how?
I rarely watch the Redskins anymore.
It was a little more air coryell under Gibbs.
I actually think Seattle and Washington run similar offenses now (I could be wrong), but Seattle has better surrounding talents.
Zorn has more a Holmgren system I believe.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not positive
Just more of the way they run their WR routes seems more like the timingness of holmgren.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda of like how Burleson seemed lost under Holmgren and now is tearing it up under Knapp.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Possibly. It was only 2 seasons.
First season transitions are tough for WR, and the second season he blew his knee out in the first game.
Nate actually got hurt in his 3rd season.
I think it was clear he was having some trouble in Holmgren’s system, especially in 2006 when he barley made an impact outside of returns.
I think he would have been on track in 2008 if he wasn't injured
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-Charlie
They never had ZBS
Gibbs uses power running. Al Saunders added his 900-page playbook to the mix using typical hat-on-hat blocking.
by jacobstevens on Oct 26, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
How can you be so certain?
And define “run.” Is he grasping the offense, knowing what to do when, knowing what to audible to, when? What specific conflicts do you see between his abilities and the WCO?
What I see is ball control issues and what I’m guessing is problems reading defenses quickly. He can read them. He can make good decisions, generally. He doesn’t take too long and he doesn’t get flushed out by quasi pressure, too soon. But universal issues, not WCO issues. I think he’s had to learn more offensive systems/coordinators than Alex Smith.
by jacobstevens on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I would still respond favorably to this move
but his comp% is partially on account of the very conservative playcalling and coaching guidelines he’s been ordered to live bound by. Like Seneca and Holmgren last year. And probably as a response to limiting the INTs since his development hasn’t seemed to reign them in just yet. Kind of low last year, with Zorn, but it doesn’t look solved to me just yet. He also has a high number of fumbles, which I hadn’t noticed by watching, so not sure what the causes might be.
Our QB coach now is Lazor who came from Washington, and Zorn was good — I won’t say Campell not breaking out is an indictment of Zorn, but I do think if there are aspects of QBing that Campbell needs to get better at to be actually successful during his peak seasons, we’re not necessarily the most optimal environment to support that, relative to other teams and relative to our immediate past with Holmgren.
Holmgren excepted, I would say Campbell in 2010 would have the edge in nearly every factor than Hasselbeck did in 2001 & 2002, when it comes to odds for success. So I would still respond quite favorably to the move, and it would surely be buying low. But there’s complications to making it work.
Dang it John
You make this sound fantastic. I would take Campbell in a heartbeat. But what is the reality of this actually happening?
I actually think it has a decent chance of happening.
It makes a lot of sense and I imagine Ruskell loved Campbell back when he was drafted.
He's pretty much 100% out the door.
What teams will be interested. Of them, who will offer him a starting job. As opposed to the open competition with Jeff Garcia, JoeyHarrington, and a shot to be the backup QB if he doesn’t separate himself in training camp.
Here, we’d provide an opportunity to not just win the starting job, but earn a starting job essentially offered to him. The established QB is leaving soon. Either Campbell works, or we go another way. Not the same as a reeling team desperate for a fix, mitigating every signing with another re-tread to compete against.
by jacobstevens on Oct 26, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Two things make me like Jason Campbell.
A) He’s almost definitely underrated.
B) He won’t cost us a top 10 pick.
Assuming we have a top 10 pick, It’s a tossup between Bradford/Clausen/(whoever is available at the 8 spot) and a FA safety or LT (just an example), or Jason Campbell and Taylor Mays or Bryan Bulaga.
Not the Taylor Mays thing again.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I know I'm about to sound silly
But was Berry playing against Alabama on the 24th? I watched most of the game and don’t remember hearing his name once, and I haven’t read anything about a suspension or injury.
Hard to see college games over here in the UK
He did a lot
Including helping force the first lost fumble of Mark Ingram’s career. That gave Tennessee at 2nd life with the ensuing offensive TD.
Then they of course had the winning FG blocked by Terrence Cody.
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Damn ESPN highlights!
Always skips part of the game "due to time constraints!
Rob doesn't like Berry
http://seahawksdraft.blogspot.com/2009/10/quick-thoughts-on-eric-berry-vs-alabama.html
I’m finding it increasingly difficult to place Eric Berry in the draft. He’s clearly a playmaking threat in the passing game, he reads plays well and he’s a threat to make an interception a pick six. On the other hand, he looks like he could be a complete liability against the run or simply facing the more physical receivers, tight ends and running backs in the NFL.
And he thinks Mays is problematic as well:
http://seahawksdraft.blogspot.com/2009/10/taylor-mays-and-draft-thoughts-on-usc.html
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-Charlie
I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees these issues with Mays.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think (and I'm probably going to get slated for this)
That he needs to lose some weight! 230lbs is fine for a RB but I think a FS needs to be quicker and more agile to keep up with the kind of receiving talent in the NFL. Granted, he lays the wood whenever he can, but unless he plans to be a SS at the next level, he seems a little slow in his reactions and coverage to project to be an elite FS.
Exactly
He’ll just turn into another Roy Williams.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the bigger issues
are a failure to play the ball and an inclination to take the big hit over the pass defensed.
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-Charlie
I'm fine with that,
just as long as you’re basing some of that off of his play this year, and not just the last three.
I would rather trade up (everyone forget we can do that?)
To get Berry than pick Mays. He can be a big hitter but he has to learn how to make a play and not kill people.
I want to see the next Ed Reed develop.
Granted if we pick Mays I won’t go all Fearless Frog on you.
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This sounds exactly like the criticism of Maulaga.
Talent wins.
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by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 26, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
If we pick Mays
Then I hope to god I’m wrong about him.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at the USC game over the weekend.
Carrol plays Mays extremely far back in the secondary at the snap. He looks like a punt returner sometimes. However, he closes on every play; the speed is for real. However, so is the tendency to over pursue (230lbs, 4.3 speed, doesn’t exactly stop on a dime). I would love to see him play closer to line or over the top of a #1 receiver. I don’t think USC’s defensive scheme showcases his talent but it definitely prevents the big play. Oregon State figured that out pretty quickly and threw underneath Mays all night long. He was there on the tackles but didn’t have a chance to make a play on the ball.
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by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 26, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
My biggest fear is his inability to move laterally.
And that USC playing him that deep actually helps hide this fact.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you think of the Seahawks Draft Blog's dislike of Berry?
They seem to think he is pretty overhyped as well.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather get Berry as well,
but if it costs us our Denver pick to go from 8 to 3 (all hypothetical of course), then I’d rather just get Mays, or Bulaga (names are unimportant, just going off of perceived value, which is how this whole Mays things started…)
I'm about as excited about Campbell
as I am about Orton, Hill or Quinn.
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-Charlie
Orton is flying off the handle.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No doubt
Would you want him to take over for Matt?
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I have no idea.
I can’t tell if its a fluke or not.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Drafted in 2005
So he’s been in the league for 5 years. RFA at the end of this season I think
Nope
RFA is less than 4 years, well unless the uncapped year goes through.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, my mistake
I thought it was 6 years. Been looking at the NBA’s salary cap recently, probably confusing it with that then
The 'let's get Cutler' (or any other QB) attitude
kinda gives it away
His fault for going bananas and drafting him in the first round.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If we do this
I assume Beck’s in a restructure or get cut mode? I suppose we could bring Campbell in and have him sit in favor of Beck, but that seems kind of silly given whatever we’d be paying Campbell, his experience in the league, and what looks to be a middling season for Beck, assuming he makes it the rest of the way through.
We are in year one of at least a two-year O-line rebuilding. In light of that, it makes some sense to put your QB resources in a mobile, younger, presumably less injury-prone player rather than a guy who, God bless him, is not able (physically or, I believe increasingly, mentally) to withstand the pressure our O-line permits.
If we don’t like the QB draft class for next year, we roll with Campbell, Seneca, and Teel. Draft O-line and RB and in Campbell’s second year as a Hawk we may have a plausible defense-first, run-oriented, QB-game-manager team. As John suggests, if we draft QB in the first round in 2010 without an intermediate option, we’re looking at a while before we can contend.
Is anyone else hoping for a flaming trainwreck of a Washington offense tonight?
It’s almost Hallowee, morbid curiosity is hot right now.
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by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 26, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions
Did you find a bar?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh - We should open one!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll call the bar
Field Gulls Live!
Shrugs band could play on Friday and Saturday nights!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
BrianL could play Jazz on Thursdays.
I’ll constantly be over-serving minors and dealing crack in the alley.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
On a random note
But we should do a talking head webcam show with John, abender, BrianL and I
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll talk everything Football.
I’m going to wear a checkered hat and smoke a pipe.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
And green screen it so I can do mine from Space!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It has to be live also.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Also I'm not wearing pants!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this has the potential to be great.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Only 3 times.
And if you missed we made the no scruffy no gif.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Here
http://radscientist.com/joel/seahawks/noscruffyno.gif
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Jason Campbell is the Seahawks future
That would be pretty bad for them. Of course it’d be better than going through the Rattay/Dorsey/Dilfer/Hill era, but I’d think you want to shoot a bit higher than that.
He could be a good 1 year starter while a rookie sits, I’ll give him that.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions
Is it now the Smith era redux?
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by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 26, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
For now.....
We’lll see how this ends. Smith was awesome yesterday IMO, but let’s see it against a real defense, gameplanned against Smith, for longer than a half, etc. At least he looked a lot better than “The Winner”™.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not very good
Tenatitive and doesn’t throw downfield. A rich man’s Shaun Hill I suppose.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt very much
The Redskins cutting Cambell outright. With no CBA, cambell is a RFA, and they’ll put at least a 2nd round tag on him.
It is what it is...
God I love DeSean Jackson
How dare the Niners not draft him instead of Chilo Rachal.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions
Ooh haven't been to that area in 9 years
Always go to Oakland myself when I was little. Place is a wreck now.
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Oakland?
Yeah, it’s a dump. Most of the Bay is really nice though.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Is San Jose worth living in?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not the one paying right now!
But it’s an awesome place to live, I’ll say that.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He needs more mental strength
Should have prevented that from the sidelines. Doesn’t have the will to win.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember people insisting he would break in two the first time he was tackled
tell that to Brian Russell.
Am I the only one that thinks that Campbell is actually pretty good
and like the guys playing for the browns, it’s his team that’s at fault and he is just being scapegoated?
No
But you can be underrated and still not be very good, if the fans think you are terrible.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Snap wasn't that bad
Campbell should have caught it.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never played football as I've said before
but is the snap really that hard? It seems there is at-least one botched snap a week.
Do anything that often and once in a while you'll screw it up
I’m sure the difficulty comes from trying to get into your block more than make the snap.
Did we trade Vallos or something? Must have been him.
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That's a pretty small wristband
How many plays do they have?
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions
I know you were joking
But Campbell isn’t much of an athlete, if anyone didn’t know already.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Jaws just told us that Andy Reid likes to throws the football.
Genius.
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Reid has the highest percentage of pass plays in NFL history?
What about the old run and shoot teams? I would have thought they would have thrwon more than 59%. Maybe no run and shoot coach ever lasted 100 games…
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 5:55 PM PDT reply actions
I love when there is a short run, and the runner is clearly stopped, and people jump on the pile
I always imagine they shout stuff like “WEEEEEE” or “MAN PILE”
Man pile?
Sounds like this episode of Southpark.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
How much longer does Westbrook last in this league?
Broncos 12 Bengals 7: The story of the 2009 Seattle Seahawks.
I really want a "Hawks players that have left since the SB game, where are they now"
Like Shaun, where is he?
Not sure how to say this regarding the Brees comparision
Wasn’t Brees a top 10 QB in terms of completion % and yardage for an up and coming SD team. That is a far cry from what Cambell is today. Granted, not fair to compare teams as a whole, but Brees was someone special with a major injury and a crazy GM.
In my view, Brees vs. Cambell is not even plausible.
It is what it is...
Oh you were commenting on what John said, I thought the talking heads compared them
I don’t think John said Campbell is like Brees
Where did he compare Brees to Campbell?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think John tried to say the two were comparable
Just that the only way to get a franchise QB is to draft one or luck into a Drew Brees situation.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, not necissarily saying that was the intention
But the result needs be similar, no? Otherwise, is it just something to do?
But refurbished busts are a temporary solution and teams that get fat with them one season often live to regret it. Contenders develop their own quarterbacks, or, like Drew Brees and the Saints, find that very rare free agent quarterback still before or in his prime.
It is what it is...
You are comparing their ability
I am comparing them as highly drafted young quarterbacks available in their prime.
I don't quite get the question.
But is Campbell more than likely a better quarterback over the next three seasons than Matt Hasselbeck? Yes.
Campbell ain't available yet
A bit too early to say that. Beyond that he’s nowhere near as good as Brees as a passer. It’s a bit like comparing Alex Smith to Brees if Smith were a free agent. In the end, so what? All that matters is how they actually play.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Snyder was falling over himself to get Sanchez and offered Denver a deal for Cutler
They’re done with Campbell.
No chance he gets traded a la Cassel?
I think someone said above that he’s a RFA if next year is uncapped. I’d imagine the Skins can get something for him if Sage Rosenfels got a 4th round pick.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
And Alex Smith and Jason Campbell aren't at all comparable
Look at their career stats, Campbell is light years ahead of Smith.
And Brees is light years ahead of Campbell....
How are they comparable?
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think John is saying that Campbell is the next Brees
but that he’s a talented young quarterback available via free agency. And actually Campbell and Brees’ first couple years aren’t that different, Brees exploded in his third full year though.
Well, that would be key
Talented and young are pretty debatable at this point. Campbell is like 29, and if he is “talented”, so are Alex Smith and Jamarcus Russell. He doesn’t have great physical tools and hasn’t been very good.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he makes up for talent with dedication and practice
with his, you know, lips.
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-Charlie
Easy there
I was a year off, my bad. I don’t memorize the age of every NFL player.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't have to do research to know Jason Campbell is garbage.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
:D
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
You clearly didn’t watch the game if that’s all you think Smith did.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith was awesome yesterday
He’s 3 years younger than Campbell, who has shown he’s not very good either. What has Campbell done to make you think he’s any good?
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey let's ignore 3 years of play in favor of one game
Campbell’s numbers are decent, he’s still physically talented and he has legitimate excuses for his poor play to date. Mainly the amount of coordinator overturn he’s seen and the “offenses” he’s ran in the NFL.
Like Brady Quinn or Rex Grossman?
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Wow there was even a RB looking for someone to block
shouldn’t he have released into the flat?
(Wow look at me using football terms)
They are sicking themselves on him because he has a bad reputation
every quarterback makes passes like that.
The one winless guy in my FF league
Just got a tie thanks to Westbrook going out.
God, his opponent’s top RB goes out and he still can’t win.
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I on the other hand am about to be 6-1
I feel a little for him, I traded him Westbrook for C. Benson, worked out rather well for me.
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Sounds like you snaked that man's Chester Pitts
Pickled Herring is sour, but not as sour as dropping Mariano Rivera after a slow start.
I heard a lot of talk about how Benson was playing above his level
and that he’d break down eventually.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
You can say one thing about Washington DC
Their fetishists aren’t afraid to take it to the streets (or the Skins game—heck, why do you think they call them the “Red Skins”?).
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
I was actually talking about a commercial.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, there's always the dudes dressed up old lady pigs
There’s got to be something there.
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-Charlie
FAIL TO THE REDSKINS!
FAIL to the Redskins! Fail Losses! Incompetents on the warpath Fight for old D.C.!
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What does Zorn do during the games now
Sell hotdogs to Mark Sanchez?
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That might be about the only job he could get
ALthough really this is mainly Snyder’s fault the Skins suck so much.
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They're punting
No respect for the Redskins Offense and none earned.
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He was listed as questionable
But I don’t see him.
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Worth every penny of $40 million gaurunteed
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Nothing
Delhomme doesn’t really do a lot wrong. Like Holmgren’s OLine grading system, Cambell will grade out well, but he just seems to invite turnovers.
Delhomme, I love him, but he is a turnover machine. Dumb luck, maybe?
It is what it is...
In reference to Holmgren OL comment
Gray graded out well, but was not a good player.
It is what it is...
Not to be rude
but that’s an absurd and meaningless analogy. Jason Campbell passed the ball. It was batted in the air. Maybe he shouldn’t have passed towards an offensive lineman that was getting beat. That’s about as much blame as I can assign him. Everything else is dumb luck. The flight of the ball in air. The fact that an Eagle caught it. The fact that Eagle had a path to the end zone. None of it reflects on Campbell.
Tiny mistake, huge consequence.
My wife is a D.D. native
And an annoying Redskins fan to boot! No matter the score, she annoys. Just thought I’d share that nugget.
It is what it is...
D-D-D?
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
That is a microcosm of the Skins season
How did they ever win 2 games?
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Not Campbell's fault that the RG got blown up.
Looked liked Campbell did a good job under pressure there and got rid of the ball as quickly as possible.
Best name on the field tonight
Macho Harris for the Eagles.
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I'm partial to Rock Cartwright
He seems like he should be a hard-boiled detective or something.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Can they just roll Campbell out more often?
Broncos 12 Bengals 7: The story of the 2009 Seattle Seahawks.
Ah, the sound of boos for the Redskins
Sweet music to the Eagles.
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And now he's stripped...
You still want this guy?
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions
I just find it weird
That peopel would make so many excuses for a guy who’s not even on their team. Julius Jones is one thing, but Jason Campbell? Come on. He’s 28, and he’s a decent player who probably won’t get any better. Whatever.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not the right word
Defending him constantly. What does Campbell do well?
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Football is not baseball.
Surrounding cast matters. Scheme matters. You can’t simply look at his numbers and call him a bag of horseapples. No disrespect to you, but I’d prefer to take John and his diligent scouting over your off-the-cuff impressions.
No disrespect taken
But John didn’t scout him, he talked about some of his stats. I don’t think many scouts would be impressed with Campbell, there’s not really much he does well. All those things matter, but you can’t use them to excuse everything. Lots of guys play in bad schemes on bad teams, you can still evaluate them. I didn’t call him a “bag of horseapples”, I don’t think he is terrible, but he doesn’t really have any strengths either.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're overblowing our expectations
or at least mine. Campbell is a decent quarterback who’s looked worse than he is and because of that he’ll be available for cheaper than he might otherwise be (or just available at all) and Seattle won’t have to spend a pick on him. He was a first round pick for a reason, he’s talented and entering his peak years so there is some potential upside.
It makes a lot of sense because the Hawks have quite a bit of talent entering their peak years and it’d be a bit of a waste to go through a rookie quarterback’s learning curve right now.
The rain was soooo awesome today
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
This could be true
And as I said earlier I think he’d be fine as a one year stopgap. I don’t think he should be a long term starter though and if you “save a draft pick” on a QB because of Campbell I think you’d be making a huge mistake. If the Falcons or Ravens passed on Ryan or Flacco because of a stopgap QB they’d be killing themselves right now.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I had dinner there.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah yeah, yuck it up.
My illiteracy is just a big joke to you assholes.
But was it pleasant?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't want a naked dude QB'ing?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching Skins game
while studying Perkins v. Texas & New Orleans Railway Co., a famous case about a train wreck. Coincidence?
what you do now, round eye?
If you want cheap
We could probably get Rex Grossman for the league minimum.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
They won't cut him
They have an option for a second year they probably will just decline.
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Great. Boondock Saints II looks like The Matrix 2.
Cult classic stripped of what made it great in favor of higher budget and no soul.
I think Campbell is playing "too hard"
He’s trying to prove himself too much and working through his progressions too quick, not letting things develop, throwing off balance, not protecting the ball and taking the tackle trying to make a play….all while the boos stream down. I think every bit of confidence he ever had is gone. He looks defeated.
He seems to be playing scared
He’s always been very conservative and holds onto the ball a long time. He doesn’t want to make any mistakes (and he doesn’t throw many picks) but he doesn’t make many plays either.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm all for bringing him to Seattle....
but someone is going to have to build him back up and give him a chance to redevelop his confidence. Hass would probably be a good person to work behind for a season and learn from.
Why would Hass be a good teacher?
He hasn’t demonstrated any ability to mentor Some athletes make good coaches and some athletes make horrible coaches. The fact that the guy is good and seems friendly has no bearing on their ability to teach another player.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Supposedly, he gets the most out of what 'little talent' he has.
Or at least that would be my argument for him if I had to make one.
Steve Nash
One of the greatest point guards of the last decade and he couldn’t mentor a guy to be his backup to save his life.
There’s always an expectation that good players make good teachers and its simply not the case (no correlation).
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Barbosa is about the 5th guy they've tried as the backup PG
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Goran Dragic
Sean Singletary, DJ Strawberry, Marcus Banks
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Strawberry was traded for Singletary, who was traded to the Bobcats.
Dragic has been in the league for a year, and Banks probably isn’t very good. This isn’t compelling evidence against Nash.
None of your contentions
is incompatible with my contention that the Suns have had a big need at backup PG for a long, long time and haven’t been able to fill it because Steve Nash doesn’t have magical mentoring powers.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
But they don't need him yet.
And Dragic is coming along nicely.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
They needed a Dragic like 4 years ago
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
That and a backup PG, better defense and a solid big man
They didn’t have a backup PG and lost a lot of ground when Nash sat.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Your original contention is something like:
Hasselbeck isn’t a good teacher because the Hawks don’t have a great backup. You extended the argument to Nash. There is no way to prove it either way, but you can’t mentor up a player that isn’t capable at some level of filling that gap. It’s not Hass’s fault that Charlie Frye and David Greene aren’t NFL caliber QBs.
Not at all
My contention is that we have no idea how good a mentor Hass is, so its wrong to say that he is a good mentor. You would be wrong to have any expectation that Hass’s presence would be helpful (or hurtful).
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Someone said
Hass would probably be a good person to work behind for a season and learn from.
I claim that there is no reasonable expectation of Hass helping (or hurting) a QB develop. I claimed that great athletes are often falsely attributed with great teaching powers. I gave Steve Nash as an example for my argument.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
We can't count on Hass to teach a new QB
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
I'm not
but the suggestion was raised and I tried to discuss the matter.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Your argument should really be,
we don’t know whether or not we can count on Hass to teach a new QB. That’s all you have proof for.
I might be able to yodel (or I might not)
but I wouldn’t count on it.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
I hate this expression because it's been overused by grandmothers and bloggers alike, but
the evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.
Fine
good enough. I have as much expectation of Hass being a good mentor as I do any other starting QB with his experience.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
hey what's going on all the way up here
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 26, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Kind of rude
The discussion is related to the topic of the thread.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
That's not the point I was making.
While I do agree that my comment looks an awful lot like I usually post in response to fantasy comments, I was riffing on the fact that your argument was floating some.
Yeah, I don't like these spaghetti comments
but I was nitpicked into a bazillion responses.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
It's simple
To be a good teacher at some subject you first need to be a good teacher. Your knowledge of the subject is never enough.
I love Jaws' insistence on saying the word "football"
What sport are we watching, Jaws?
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The Eagles are playing football
I don’t know what sport the Redskins are playing.
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To be a quarterback in the National FOOTBALL League for the New York Football Giants...
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Sean Salisbury had this fetish with the Panthers
And also taking pictures of his wang.
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He gets payed every time he says
“ootball”
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
The refs just called a penalty on a guy who isn't on the roster
FAIL!
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Turned it was 35 on the Eagles
Who IS on the roster, but they originally indicated a penalty on the Skins.
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So my cable for some reason crapped out during Desean Jackson's big play
and so did my internet. Internet is now finally back, but cable still doesn’t work.
Campbell not looking good I take it?
The entire team sucks
Seriously, I have no idea how they won 2 games.
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Their defense should be fairly good...
They have some talented players on that side of the ball.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
THESE REFS SUCK!
Point the RIGHT WAY!
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Well, that was an obvious offsides
If ever there was one.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Your not boooing.
You are saying HOOOOOUSH!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Time to see what faith the team has in Campbell.
First and goal inside the 5. Three straight runs?
TD Skins!
Hopefully they can at least keep it close…
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions
When you consider surrounding talent and overall skills (receiving, pass blocking, etc)
Clinton Portis is probably the best running back of the decade.
He's been good a long time
And his post game outfits are awesome. Westbrook may be better overall, though.
It is what it is...
Are we talking this decade or all time kind of thing?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Randle-El used to be good. Now he is just awful.
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Its because they don't have a good name for it.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither of you have souls.
Or cougar fetishes.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Lewis can spin a yarn with the best of 'em. The story of Michael Oher is lovely.
It isn’t a feature film, however, and you can guarantee that it will be overwritten, overacted, and very Invinceable.
Oh
I never read the story, but it sounded cool. I suppose your probably right though.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a shame that the modern struggle of sabermetricians vs. Dusty Bakerians has dragged Moneyball all over the place.
The book itself was fantastic.
Heartless? What part?
Just the whole, screwing clients over, doing nothing of real importance, self interested traders part?
Saints are a fun team
I want a GM to build a Saints team. Even when the Saints lose, they are fun to watch.
It is what it is...
The Phoenix Suns of the NFL
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Wow
That was a TD to Moss waiting to happen. Corner got burned so badly.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions
40 Million Guaranteed!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry I was at the cafe getting food, so this is a bit delayed, but that muffed kickoff 100% on campbell
if he hadn’t thrown a TD, there wouldn’t have been a kickoff!
Eh
McNabb should get that out. Quarterback has to know when his back cuts a guy, that guy is getting up soon.
Nevermind. DeSean is standing there. WHOO!!
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He does have a cannon
Now there is a talented QB for you.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Having a great arm helps mask mistakes
And lets you make throws other guys can’t make. It surely makes a big difference.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
3rd and 23 and they score
What a route.
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Reminds me of the Woody Paige article.
This game or This Game
Wow, I gotta get me one of them for my daughter!
No more birds and the bees discussion necessary!
It is what it is...
Just get her the dool and show her this
http://videos.humpingfrog.com/14290/2006/04/when-barbie-dolls-have-rough-sex.html
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
All i have to do is keep her off the pole
all i have to do is keep her off the pole
all i have to do is keep her off the pole
all i have to do is keep her off the pole
It is what it is...
Campbell is sensing pressure that's not there
he is throwing off his back foot even when no one is in his face.
If I have to watch another Giants game where Omaha is repeated that many times...
I may just display the manning face
I heard at least 3 QBs yell Omaha this weekend
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
He'll be playing in Canada soon
But not with the Bills…
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
TO N TO A
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
That pass wasn't
He was under pressure though.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Jim Zorn celebrating
Now the Skins can lose by 27 instead of 30.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions
For what it's worth, he's not a real clown.
More like a brain-damaged, narcissistic, steroid-fueled millionaire.
So the middle one?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Some years, certain teams or players can just do no wrong
Drew Brees this year reminds me of Man-U in 1999.
they used a voting algorithm from Nobel Prize-winning economist Jed Bartlet.
what you do now, round eye?
So... about Jason Campbel
Does he even know how to step into a throw? He has a strong arm for sure but seems way to content to sling it while weight on his back foot.
I like his arm and a like his short accuracy
He’s clearly spooked, but I think his fear in the pocket is fixable.
Ahhh... the vaunted fullback screen on 3rd and long
they sure Holmgren not calling plays… secretly?
I saw blockers ahead... looked like the play
but I could be wrong
Holmgren called FB draws
A FB screen would’ve been way too wacky for him.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 26, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Shotgun alone would've been trick play like
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I know
sometimes I fail at jokes. ok, mostly.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
if ten years isn't too many
went to Cal, you’re thinking of the running back.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 26, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Quite a few young QB's aren't allowed to audible
Apparently they’ve never felt comfortable giving that control to Campbell.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
but what if the eagles show all out blitz?
just crawl into fetal position?
Looks like any team named Washington has to have a crap offensive line
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I missed the thread where that coinage was explained
but what the heck, it’s more fun not knowing.
what you do now, round eye?
"Ok Jason, we need you to shovel this dirt with this hayfork
and if you can’t, you don’t get to vote."
Maybe he's not good at reading defenses.
You think the Raiders let Jamarcus Russell audible? I remember hearing that Flacco couldn’t audible last year either.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Something about kraft singles and grilled cheese can never be topped.
But everything else I agree.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm reminded of the Almost Live sketch "White Peoples Shopping Network"
Where they had Pat Cashman selling clear Velveeta processed cheese.
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Try real cheese next time.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
I normally do
I pretty sure these slices might be 2 years old.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh...
Scruffy, I’m not a doctor or nutritionist but I’m not sure if eating those is wise.
They can't go bad.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole point of preservatives is that they don't go bad.
Kraft singles consist entirely of preservatives.
Or faker cheese
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Go to a cheese house if you want real cheese
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I have some fancy curd stuff that I opened and about vomited due to the smell.
So I went kraft instead.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You ever wonder if Leavy just calls penalties on the Seahawks
even though they’re not one of the teams? Y’know, just out of habit?
wasn't Levy involved in the play where Vinny Testicles scored that TD with his off hand?
sounds familiar
Philly looks like they are trying plays for next week
This feels like a pre-season game
It is what it is...
I think we need to make you a No Scruffy No iPhone App.
Point your phone at a potential decision, and a verdict is rendered.
I may be going blind.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I jizz in my eye?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In 2003-4, Hasselbeck would thrive in this situation
He would go ape shit, and make stuff happen. He would make mistakes, but God he ws fun to watch.
It is what it is...
Billy Mays here for the 46 Halfback Blast.
Is your offense too zany? Do you find your African-American QB always louses things up?
by abender20 on Oct 26, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TRY KITTEN MITTENS!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Next week is pro wrestling
With the return of Cricket!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
10 OUT OF 10
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
They'll just grab an Xbox, throw in a copy of Madden, and use that feature that lets Madden choose the play for you.
Every offensive play will be a naked bootleg.
Campbell needs to discover the whirly bird
could do wonders for his career
Panic. Spin. Throw. ????? Profit!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 26, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
well then we could say that Campbell can make ALL the throws
One hoppers, back foot lame ducks and… the whirly bird
The Redskins have a lot of Seahawks connections
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Some people are under the impression that Jason Campbell can become a good QB.
Or something like that.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
_______ is horrible and overrated. We should have drafted ________.
/reverse madlib
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Damn it I was just going to post that.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I am astounded by the level of your wit and magnitude of your gall.
…All jokes aside, Jason Campbell? Really? There’s a reason he’ll be passed on by about 29 out of 32 teams to become their starting QB.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Garcia showed great things at QB.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll likely come cheap, has shown the ability to play QB at a respectable level in the past
and unlike our current starting QB, isn’t 35.
JaMarcus Russell is at least entertaining to watch.
Even when he’s overthrowing WRs by miles, you gotta love that bazooka arm. Plus, he looks like Brandon Mebane playing QB.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Fine. Colin Cole.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
terrible is overrated
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Should have drafted 'ridiculously bad'
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
JM lurves JC
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Is this rock bottom? Can the Redskins beat the Raiders at this point?
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As opposed the whirly bird version
Campbell is going to be very sore tomorrow. He is standing in the pocket nicely now, however!
It is what it is...
Seneca did it to himself?
Pressure? I scramble. Throw it away? Hell no.
TO THA MIDDDDDLLLLEEE!!!!!!!!
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well right now... Campbell is not good
I haven’t seen him really step into a throw yet this game…
He pretty much wasn't in Atlanta either but he threw when it was convenient
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Jason Campbell = Rax Grissman without the sex appeal?
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
Kind of hard to compete with the Sex Cannon
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Campbell will probably join Grossman as some team's back-up soon.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, if he moves on to greener pastures, team-MVP of the Las Vegas Locomotives.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The New Vallos snapped it weird and it hit the RBs leg. Eagles recover.
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Never mind. It just went into the ground and hit the RG.
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"The answer is not made clearer by repeating the question"
not often I quote Rumi on a football board. Probably a reason for that. I can’t stand him.
what you do now, round eye?
LOLSKINS!
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLSKINS!
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLSKINS!
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLSKINS!
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Campbell's numbers actually look pretty solid.
Tough to tell though, a lot of check downs and playing from behind might have inflated them.
Refer to: Seneca Wallace vs. the Colts.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I see some Seneca in Campbell.
I think Campbell is better under pressure though and doesn’t create his own pressure as much as Seneca.
Campbell probably would too if he were as short as Seneca.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Remind me again why this joke of a team is on MNF.
LOLSKINS look like another team we’d have a dominant shutout against. Good grief.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
So good that they goaded the center into making that ridiculous snap.
And Philly wasn’t responsible for that failed TD to Santana Moss.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, first team to play winless teams in first 6 consecutive games.
And came out of that stretch 2-4 in that span, including a loss to the goddamn Lions. The Lions. Of Detroit.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
"You do know how good Philadelphia is, right?"
If anything, this is the LOLSKINS up their old tricks. Bottom 5 team in the NFL, for sure.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLSKINS!
LOLSKINS!
Jason Cam-LOLSKINS!
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Please elaborate.
It’s not that I disagree – i just want to know if your reasons for hating football coverage on TV are the same as mine.
Jaw's is the bomb
loved watching NFL films back in the golden days of ESPN
Yeah, seems to be the opposite of prevent.
They just want to beat the shit out of him and force a turnover.
This is exciting the sadistic side in me.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well done, sir.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the prevent defense PREVENTS YOU FROM WINNING!
OLOLOLOLOL
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the suicide blitz
From the N64 game “NFL Blitz”.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd have Seneca.
Both suck but at least Seneca has a magnificently trimmed beard. I am envious.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And two, count 'em two, eyebrows
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
Gee golly gumdrops
A useless TD, all ten fans left applaud.
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Redskins have scored a season high 17 points for the 3rd time this season
Broncos 12 Bengals 7: The story of the 2009 Seattle Seahawks.
Night.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, as bad as the Hawks looked last week
The Redskins are so much worse.
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At least the Hawks have a Jekyll-Hyde thing going on.
Great team one week, terrible the next. And at least we can humiliate horrible teams. The LOLSKINS just bad, real bad.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
At least we have a win
Against a team that also has a win (Jax).
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And we didn't get smacked by the Lions and Panthers.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And Chiefs, and...
…wow, they have been exceptionally bad this season.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
They have scored no more than 17 in a single game
In 6 tries, that is real bad.
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Quick, let's sign their QB!
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
until last week
they had not played a single team that had won even one game at the time they had played them!
what you do now, round eye?
And even now
The combined record of their 6 opponents is something like 8-27.
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I'm not watching the game,
but we scored 3 points at home against what was ranked as the team that is dead last in passing defense.
Bound to happen with an offensive line like that.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
But hey, at least Damion McIntosh gets the right to be embarassed DeMarcus Ware this time instead of poor Walt.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Campbell is better than Wallace
We could do for a better 2nd stringer with potential
It is what it is...
I like him too.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Good god, no.
Keep him in the booth where he belongs, he wasn’t doing anything in Tampa after he inherited Dungy’s brainchild.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Product of Rich "Beast" Gannon.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Aw, shucks.
::Blushes::
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
No, just a lunatic.
Not worth at all of the ‘offensive genius’ tag he was labeled with.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Underrated.
Blasted by senile Al Davis for having the good sense to sniff JaLardass being a bust a mile away. Was open to him becoming Seahawks coach as long as he brought in Monte when the Mora to UW rumors were flying.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a bit annoying though
His tone of voice that is, everything is like scream-worthy. Kind of like Dick Vitale.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Poll: Would you be surprised if Washington went 3-13 this season?
Y/N
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N
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
N
Snyder is known for building through the draft. He’s just trying to get better draft picks.
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-Charlie
Figures
I had him in both FG FF leagues.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
McNabb's kneels at the end of this game made me lose.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Good night all
Fearless, keep it real dude. Find some drugs to lift your spirits; see the light.
It is what it is...
I am considering smoking marijuana.
I don’t know where to get any or even how to, though.
To Google!
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Just
As a Dutch person I never got why people bother with MJ in countries where it’s illegal. It’s not that interesting.
by Thomas Beekers on Oct 27, 2009 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Night.
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by Fearless Frog on Oct 26, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, can't say I was surprised by the outcome at all.
Peace, guys. Although everyone’s already left.
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I can't believe that was a Monday Night game. Maaaaaan.
by .Taylor on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions
So I don't waffle much, I swear
but that game did damage my confidence in Jason Campbell quite a bit. He could still develop, but man. It just felt too Seneca to be as excited as I previously would have been, to see us pick him up as a free agent. it would still be worth a shot, but conditionally.
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