Patrick Kerney's Two Seconds to Factor
Before I lay out the bones of Patrick Kerney's second quarter, let us talk about Peyton Manning. Manning does two things exceptionally well.
He is able to make almost any pass with perfect accuracy. It's astounding. In the modern NFL, a receiver always has some separation. If his quarterback can consistently hit him in the hands, Pierre Garcon can burn Asante Samuel. That's the trick to Austin Collie blowing past Travis Fisher for a 21 yard touchdown. Fisher wasn't close, but Collie never broke his route. That play was practice-smooth. Collie ran his route and received a perfectly placed pass to his hands just as he finished it.
Manning is also able to consistently read a defense, find a target and pass in two to four seconds. If you watch Manning, you will nearly never see him stall like Ben Roethlisberger, Seneca Wallace and, truly, almost every other quarterback, bad, good and great, in football.
This is where Kerney comes in. He was in for 15 plays, rested for three when Nick Reed subbed in, and in those fifteen plays, whether he snapped off the line, beat his man, made a good move or not, he could not factor into the play. Seattle's defensive line had no time to create pass rush. That was in part the product of a complete secondary collapse. Seattle could have lined up Dwight Freeney - Brandon Mebane - Tommie Harris - Jared Allen and not sacked Manning. Seattle could not cover and that meant its line did not have enough time to create pressure.
Let's take this to the logical extreme. If Seattle had the above line, but no other players on defense, that line would never record a sack. Conversely, if Seattle bred four mutant Deion "Night Train" Lotts and populated their secondary with them, a line of four Colin Coles would eventually sack the quarterback.
That is the push and pull of pressure and coverage. Neither one can be understood without the other and either can make the other look better or worse than it is. Seattle's secondary is not terrible, but it's weak. Weak doesn't work against Peyton. Kelly Jennings has rebounded well and Ken Lucas has impressed me. Travis Fisher is a little in over his head. Maybe it's a hangover from an injury wracked start to his season, but Indianapolis was not his chance to get healthy. Jordan Babineaux is clearly still struggling. Deon Grant - I'm not exactly sure how to categorize Deon Grant.
Kerney only had one very good jump off the line. That was to begin the Colts touchdown scoring two minute drill. He even turned the corner and got close to pressuring Manning, but slipped. For much of the drive, Kerney looked, well, tired. He looked very tired. That was most pronounced on the fourth and fifth plays, after the Colts twice snapped "no huddle". On the fifth play, he ran a very slow stunt across the line. Manning was flushed from the pocket, but Kerney did not flush him and did not pressure him after he was flushed.
Kerney did not factor. That is the best way to put it. In eight of the fifteen plays, I have scribbled "DNF". His performance at the start of the second drive and his visible fatigue on the fourth and fifth plays are instructive. Kerney played worse when he was tired, but was not regularly substituted out. Later Kerney was injured.
Before the season, Seattle spoke of using Kerney in a more limited capacity to extend his life as a pass rusher. Looking at Brian McIntyre's snap counts, that doesn't look to be the case. Kerney played in 66.7% of Seattle's defensive snaps against the Rams, a game Seattle led by 21 midway through the third quarter. He played in 80% and 82.5% of Seattle's snaps against the 49ers and Bears, respectively. He played in 65.1% of the teams' snaps last Sunday and left the game because of injury.
Seattle has more defensive ends with talent than almost any team in the NFL. It needs to start using them, before it loses them as it lost Kerney. Until its secondary can cover more than two seconds, it won't matter.
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So if our CBs aren't terrible, and our 1 and 3 CBs are out,
then I’m fairly certain that our safeties are performing at a D-type level.
Also
“Kerney only had one very good jump off the line. That was to begin the Colts touchdown scoring two minute drill. He even turned the corner and got close to pressuring Madden, but he fell.” Pretty sure you meant Manning.
by LantermanC on Oct 7, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Peyton Manning
is a genius of our time. The guy is just amazing.
by Fear on Oct 7, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you mean by genius
He’s out there playing football.
by aerozeppelin on Oct 7, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just you wait until after he retires,
and begins publishing volumes on how to achieve world peace, fix the economy, and solve world hunger.
"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 7, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, he must be a genius
especially with that big ass motherfucking forehead of his.

by aerozeppelin on Oct 7, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like how an artist can be a genius.
Not saying he has an IQ of 240, just saying he’s a genius at football. One of the best to ever play the game.
by Fear on Oct 8, 2009 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always thought you couldn't beat Manning with a 4-3...
A 3-4 (at least theoretically) comes with confusion about who is rushing and who is covering, to gives you at least the illusion of hope.
But trying to beat Manning out of a “standard” 4-3 where the pressure is supposed to come primarily from the front four, has the feel of a guy who has unloaded his clip at Superman to no effect—and then throws the gun at him.
On the other hand, I thought we did a decent overall job on Chicago, really until the very end.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Oct 7, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it appeared to me
that Seattle went with vanilla rush coupled with their standard squishy zone most of the time. That’s like an engraved invitation to the end zone for Manning. Off the top of my head I only recall three times seeing Manning look at all befuddled, those playoff games against the Pats and Steelers.
by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Oct 8, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was fully expecting some new wrinkles in the WCD
and the fire zones and overloads and occasional chaotic front seven movement before the snap. It seemed clear to me, you can only beat him with pressure, and can only do that through Steagle-style surprise.
by jacobstevens on Oct 8, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent write-up
Some good points in there that I hadn’t thought of. Manning being very fast at his read for example.
by kearly on Oct 7, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This game was one of the few blowouts I enjoyed watching.
Watching Peyton Manning play is so cool. Something on awesome on every single snap.
"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 7, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Lawrence Jackson and Darryl Tapp on the roster
Having Kerney get as many snaps as he has so far this season is baffling. No matter how well Kerney is playing, limiting Tapp’s playing time makes me think that the Seahawks either want to lower his counting stats and demand for him come free agency time, or they’re actively trying to piss him off and drive him away.
We got to figure out how to get our best players on the field most of the time. Kerney’s injury may be a blessing.
by J.L. White on Oct 7, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am also a bit confused
Tapp plays on the same side as Kerney now, Jackson off the tight end, and yet REED was the guy who subbed in when Kerney went out? Is Tapp hurt? I don’t get it. Were they just trying to get Reed some experience to see how he looked in actual game speed? Otherwise it makes little sense.
by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 7, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they don't want Tapp a big free agent buzz next year
I think they really want to keep him so what they do is keep him on the bench have no team want to sign him except seattle.
by Seahawksfan23 on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Interesting point of view. Has he shown potential to be a guy where alot of teams would want to sign him?
by russak on Oct 7, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
??
15.5 sacks, 8 FF, 11 PD, 2 INT and is on pace to play in 64 out of 64 games in his first 4 seasons…. and he’s 25 years old..
I think Tapp is gonna have some buzz surrounding him. Bona fide pass rushers hit the open market pretty infrequently, and when they do, they get paid..
Tapp has his shortcomings, but he is a very effective pass rusher..
by michaelfox99 on Oct 8, 2009 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Tapp supposed to be a RFA after the season?
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 8, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on whether they get a new CBA together in time
If they just let the old CBA lapse, he’ll be a RFA. If the old CBA persisted, he’d be a UFA.
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-LG Rob Sims
by ninjasocks on Oct 8, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do teams really do this?
I have a hard time believing that. Jim Mora is trying to coach the team to get as many wins as possible, I don’t think he’s worried with down the road front office concerns. I think he’d probably do whatever he could to get the best team on the field, particularly because the Seahawks have gotten off to a poor start. If they go 4-12 this year and Mora gets fired re-signing Tapp would be little consolation for losing his job wouldn’t it?
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 8, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems like a standard case of...
1) having a Proven Veteran™ on the field as much as possible, particularly one making a ton of money, and
2) having some concerns about increasing the workload of a player (Tapp) who, as much as we all like him, has some deficiencies in the run game.
I think more often than not “finding the right balance” is a process that begins with overplaying the Proven Veteran™ and giving the younger player a bigger share of responsibility with time.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Oct 8, 2009 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hoped that we'd put that kind of thinking behind us when Holmgren left
The other name for Proven Veteran™ is Aging Has-Been™. Fans like these guys, and are always clamoring to sign more of them during the offseason.
by Mr Fish on Oct 8, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is some interesting disucssion that happened awhile back about this:
JM replied to someone suggesting we ‘save’ Kerney by responding with this:
You can’t save Kerney. Seattle will be struggling to stay in contention, and, unfortunately, in the modern NFL, every down is a passing down. (JM)
I don’t know if Seattle stated it would reduce Kerney’s snaps, but I know we have talked about it, and I responded to JMs comment with this:
I don’t know. The Falcons last year used Abraham smartly in limiting his snaps to keep him healthy while being aware that he would face an easier chance of injury and decline in play as in past seasons. That plan worked well for them to the tune of 16.5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. Abraham is 31. (Misfit)
link to the full discussion here: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/7/9/943896/2008-season-retrospective-patrick#
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 7, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be right
Maybe that was only a field gulls discussion.
by John Morgan on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren talked about it last year.
Coach Mike Holmgren says the Seahawks are considering limiting LE Patrick Kerney’s early-season snaps.
Seattle wants Kerney to be fresh later on. The 31-year-old could be spelled by rookie Lawrence Jackson on some early downs, assuming Jackson doesn’t overtake RE Darryl Tapp to start. Kerney should still post 10+ sacks.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_previousnews.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=2161
It seems like I remember Mora saying something about it too, but I’m probably mixing what Mora said about Kerney changing sides to protect his shoulder with what Holmgren talked about.
by Mind of no mind on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those snap counts are cool to read.
If you hadn’t told me Kerney left the game early due to injury, I’d have thought it was a near-perfect balance with each DE getting between 30-35 snaps except for Kerney’s 41 vs. the colts.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
*each of the top DEs (Tapp, Redding, Jackson)
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That mythical line would be so fun to watch though...
Hell, Jared Allen is like a mythical creature at this point.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We were screwed against Indy even healthy
I looked up Peyton Manning’s rate of being sacked not too long ago. It’s unreal how little he has been sacked. I keep wondering if it some kind of record. That guy reads the defense and gets the ball off faster than anyone I have ever seen.
I didn’t even blame Travis Fisher for that Collie TD. I watched it and shrugged. It was unstoppable. That ball floated at an angle that could not be defensed and dropped right into the receivers hands. That was Peyton doing what Peyton does.
Kerney hasn’t been lighting it up this year. He seems to have hit the wall.
And you’ve been right about Colin Cole as well. That guy is not a D-line anchor. He’s an average, no name DT with a little bit of quickness but not enough power for a guy his size. Poor Mebane lost twenty pounds only to continue to be double teamed.
by ASeahawkfan on Oct 8, 2009 8:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've also been disappointed with Cole.
Deficient run-stopper and not doing anything to free Mebane.
"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 8, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cole
I guess it’s kind of off-topic, but is he better than Red Bryant right now? Probably goes without saying, but I miss Marcus Tubbs something fierce. He and Mebane would have been just awesome.
by jeager on Oct 8, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red has more potential
I see Red getting double teamed more than Cole.
Cole is more assignment correct. But at the same time, he rarely fights through double teams or forces them. Casey Hampton literally forces double teams. He engages two blockers on purpose and controls them. Cole doesn’t do that at all and isn’t good enough himself to command a double team. Big miss by Ruskell and the FO there. Surprise, surprise.
If there is one thing Ruskell doesn’t seem to know at all is trench talent. He’s not good at picking O-line guys or D-line guys. The two most important part of the team. So far I’ve mostly been impressed by is ability to find good LBs, but not many other positions at all.
by ASeahawkfan on Oct 8, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mebane, Tapp, Reed, Bennett, Jackson
He has had a very good run of picking line talent. I think this is a matter of overvaluing the veteran.
by John Morgan on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bennett, Reed, and Jackson are unproven
Mebane is the only proven guy.
Jackson seems to be coming along, but a few great games doesn’t make a great a player. But Reed and Bennett have done nothing for us in the regular season and even Red Bryant is a project at the moment.
We still don’t have a dominant trench player even with Mebane. We really need one if we’re going with this Tampa 2 front four pressure system we seem to be relying on or a better secondary which will happen once they all get on the field I think.
by ASeahawkfan on Oct 8, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's good at finding individual talent
Tapp, Mebane, Red and now Jackson coming on – that’s has the potential to be a pretty good starting DL right there. On the OL: Unger, Willis and Sims all seem to be good talents, especially relevant to what rounds they were picked in.
but there does seem to be a bit of the “Ruskell Paradox” at work here – almost every good draft pick is balanced out by an underwhelming FA vet that they get trapped behind. Or they’re a group of good individual talents that don’t have complimenting styles or fit together as a cohesive unit.
I think he can pick the Line talent. Problem with the OL is that he hasn’t picked enough of it yet.
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by jteckmann on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Tapp like alot of you all do
Tapp to me is a depth player/ rotational end, not a starter quality end. We need a dominant D-line player. We don’t have one.
Mebane comes the closest and even he can’t do it alone.
It’s nice to have depth, but it’s best to have at least one pass rusher that literally commands double teams. He cannot be handled by a single O-line guy unless it’s like a Big Walt type O-line guy.
by ASeahawkfan on Oct 8, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not impressed by many of our O-line players
They have shown signs of potential, but overall as a unit they can’t seem to stay working together long enough to build a cohesive unit.
I like Willis, but I’m worried that even he will experience an injury once another guy comes back. Sims is two years injured now. Spencer is injured every year since I’ve seen him in the league, even though he only missed time this year and last.
This is not a tough O-line in terms of durability. I don’t think you can be that great an O-line if you durability isn’t one of your best traits. Chris Gray 10 years without missing a game. Same with Walt. Hutch missed one season with a serious injury. I can’t recall Toebeck missing too many games either.
This O-line unit misses a ton of games compared to your top O-line guys out there and it hurts the team. Not sure why this particular group seems injury prone as young as they are, but you can’t build a great O-line when at least 4/5 of them are injury prone. I hope Unger doesn’t follow suit.
by ASeahawkfan on Oct 8, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not impressed with Ruskell's o-line evaluation either,
but even I don’t think it’s fair to knock anyone for injuries.
"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 8, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely he doesn't work alone?
Don’t Mora and the other coaches have some input on who they think might be a good fit for their scheme?
Our new d-line coach is supposed to be one of the best. Did they sign Cole over his objections?
by Mr Fish on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Along those lines
It will be interesting to see what changes these new defensive coaches recommend this coming offseason, after they’ve had a chance to see the current team in action.
by Mr Fish on Oct 8, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
It would be great to know who made the call on Cole. He’s not horrible, and I’m not going to paint him as horrible. He is average. A middle of the pack DT you can find on almost every team. But he’s no standout and without an edge rusher to take double teams, Mebane can be too easily neutralized in the pass rush. He’s really the only player an opposing offense has to plan for.
by ASeahawkfan on Oct 8, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My main point was in response to people who want to pin everything on Ruskell
My impression is that Ruskell is very much a team player and that, although he has the final say, the coaches are deeply involved in these decisions.
So if signing Cole was a mistake, it’s a mistake for which the entire staff is responsible.
by Mr Fish on Oct 8, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The coaches have been activating players
according to matchup. I don’t think that means Bryant’s gonna take Cole snaps against Jax, but if they see what we see, and have been waiting for the right time to start that transition, this would be the week.
Jags run up the gut with a lot more frequency than most other teams. Bryant will disappear on a few handfuls of snaps, and I’m afraid to see MJD run through the disintegrated particles of Will Herring and Jordan Babineaux. A handful of snaps Red’’ll destroy the play. And won’t get pushed out the way Cole will, more or less. But the Jags really push you off the line well.
And they’re pretty bad in pass defense. It’s not like we’re the Colts, facing the Seahawks, and don’t have to worry about allowing their running game to work, but the matchup gives us a strategic mitigation so that we don’t have to win the battle on the ground against them on defense, necessarily. If Cole is pushed off but doesn’t get brushed out of his gap, I’m OK with our 2nd & 3rd level defenders in the box making the tackles. It’ll be frustrating, and will sustain drives. But we woulda been in the game more @SF without those two big Gore runs.
So I dunno if Cole not being a difference maker means put in Bryant and absorb the mistakes in such an important game. But soon, very soon.
by jacobstevens on Oct 8, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. We were never going to beat this Indy team. Let's move on.
Not only does Manny execute perfectly, he and his coaches demand excellence from every man on his offense.
But that said, I thought this was a great post, John. Interesting in that you weren’t talking about Kerney’s failures so much as the secondary. Bottom line, it would be senseless to blame our D linemen for this loss when we realize that Peyton Manning had a week of film study and practice with this goal in mind: Find Travis Fisher; Find Jordan Babineaux, Throw at Them. Game over.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
by Stevo's on Oct 8, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marino
IIRC he was only sacked six times one year. But your point is well taken, Manning is in the same league as Marino in terms of release.
by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Oct 8, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Brees is pretty good at it, too, though I'll have to check the numbers.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 8, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees is 7th all-time in sack%.
Marino 2nd, Peyton Manning 5th.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 8, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The leader, Steve Walsh
went to Cretin Hall High School.
by John Morgan on Oct 8, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that in Portland?
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 8, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see that.
The name is actually Cretin-Derham Hall High School, but how could you not call that Cretin Hall? Also, I did not know cretinism is an actual medical condition.
by John Morgan on Oct 8, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you implying God protected him?
It’s a Catholic school, right?
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 8, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joking of course.
Not trying to get into a religious discussion, by any means.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Oct 8, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees impreses the hell out of me
That Saints team is looking great. If Seattle gets knocked out of the playoffs, I hope the Saints take the Super Bowl. They’re another cursed team and I’d love to see at least one other cursed team get a Super Bowl like Tampa did.
by ASeahawkfan on Oct 8, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees needs to stop playing on easy mode.
"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 8, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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