Dallas Cowboys 38 - Seattle Seahawks 17
Seattle is a bad team. Preseason hope notwithstanding, I think that was an accurate estimate of what this team would be this year. The offense has withered and the defense has not yet become a dominant unit. It's young and I am not disappointed with how it played today.
Seahawks fans might be a bit entitled. Most young fans adopted Seattle when the team was good. It took a lot of bad to get there. That is the ebb and flow of the NFL.
The foundation of the offense collapsed last season. Years of top heavy drafting and fruitless free agent spending forced a complete rebuild of the defense. Seattle is in a position where it needs to do likewise with its offense. Tim Ruskell attempted to prop up a sagging unit with veterans, stop gaps and polished draft picks.
Years of IOUs have come due the last two seasons. Alexander Pushkin said "The lie that exalts us is dearer than a thousand sober truths." A lot of fans used to winning grasped for reasons Seattle would rebound this season. The injuries continued. The offense collapsed in pieces. The defense is not able, may never be able, to carry the Seahawks without an offense.
If we audit the offense with a serious eye to the future, Seattle has five, maybe six players it can build around: Chris Spencer, Rob Sims, John Carlson, Nate Burleson, Max Unger and maybe Sean Locklear. That is desperation thin.
Ruskell has never had a chance to build the Seahawks offense. It is up to Paul Allen if he will be trusted with that this offseason. Ruskell could be criticized for ignoring the offense. That is a complex argument, but one worth exploring in detail. What we do know is that Ruskell has little experience building an offense and it is not considered his strength.
But the team moves on. A lot of the talent we are attached to will leave or be purged. The schemes will tighten as the coaches and players become more confident in each other. Seattle is a team in transition. It doesn't look stuck in the perennial losing of the 2000-era 49ers or Lions. We may not know that until this time next season.
It was a good run, but it's over. The Seahawks are dead. Long live the Seahawks.
Game Ball: Jordan Babineaux
David Hawthorne had the best game, but Babineaux may have had the most important game. Babineaux finally played like a safety. He filled in the run game. He was in position to attack the pass. I do not know if Seattle sticks with Babineaux, but for the first time in his career as a free safety, he gave the Seahawks reason to.
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Have to give some credit to Dallas' offensive line
They did an excellent job of picking up the blitz, and I think most of those blitzes were even better conceived than the standard Marshall garbage.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Strong pass blocking line
for the most part.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say? I was impressed.
I thought the blitzes were good, and the blocking was even better. Helped give Romo the time to pick up those third downs.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone see or catch Mora's presser?
Just reading some quotes and its sounds like he got a little chirpy.
http://seahawkaddicts.com/2009-articles/november/mora-presser-notes.html
by MFAN on Nov 1, 2009 2:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Missed the whole thing -- at the in-laws
Am I better off just not knowing?
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by dcrockett17 on Nov 1, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't so bad
Seattle lost to a better team.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Caught the late-game strip and fumble recovery
then Burly gave it right back.
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by dcrockett17 on Nov 1, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Burleson does not make a good #1 receiver
it is good to see him develop, but I do not like counting on him.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Burly is a reliable #2 WR
But that’s it. We have to get it to Housh more often.
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by SSreporters on Nov 1, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think he's one of the few offensive pieces worth building around?
I don’t. Still like him, but the list you gave sans him sounds right.
by jacobstevens on Nov 2, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of people are hoping 2005 breaks out
or Seattle lucks again into 2006, but I just don’t get it. Seattle had one of the better decades in the NFL, and now it’s in the same situation any consistent contender finds itself when its core grows old. We pick up. We rebuild.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's always the danger of the rebuild on the fly
To their credit, I never heard SF fans gripe much these past few years. Everyone knew they were rebuilding. What could you say.
Seattle has tried to start a rebuild while remaining competitive. It makes perfect sense, but it’s the sort of thing that leads to unrealistic expectations. It’s also exacerbated by playing in a weak overall division. You feel like you’re always “just around the corner” and it causes you to delay the work of rebuilding.
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by dcrockett17 on Nov 1, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I already think this rebuild will be better and shorter than the '90s
The drafting, talent evaluation, and coaching is better than everything that led to Rick Mirer and friends. I think that’s my current expectation, not necessarily about this year, but about the overall direction.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the better decades?
If you were to ask fans of other teams, or even fans of our teams, I think most people would laugh at that idea. We got to the superbowl one year, with a long string of wins that was made possible by several very lucky games.
We got to the superbowl and lost, thus making that season a footnote to everyone but us. The years before that and after, the very best we ever did was the old “one and done” and several years we didn’t even do that.
Big deal. Seattle was never a dominating team that scared anyone else. During that entire decade we were patsies on the road and a total finesse team with crappy defenses. Even the 2005 defense wasn’t very good, and only looked that way because the offense spent a lot of time on the field. Other teams didn’t ever fear the Seahawks.
On top of that, we won most of our games in a terrible division when Arizona (who still isn’t very good), San Fran and St Louis were mostly bad and didn’t beat anyone outside of our division.
We were not a “consistent contender”. We were the cream of a lousy division and that got us into the playoffs every year where we consistently wilted. We went to the NFC championship game once, same year as the Superbowl, and other than that never got there.
I’ve been a fan since 1976 and we’ve had season tickets since then, but regardless of the fact that we got to the superbowl we were never a dominating team that other teams feared.
Before, during and since 2005 the Patriots have been dominating. Pittsburgh is in it every year. Indy is in it every year. Denver dominated for many years. The Eagles have been consistently good.
We’ve been average at best, and crappy other years. We had a decent core in 2005, which was built by Holmgren. Ruskell came in and started destroying that core from day 1.
Ruskell has brought us down from where Holmgren got us. It’s time for him to go. I think Mora can do ok, but Holmgren for GM.
by lordtd on Nov 1, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was with you up until the point where you say Ruskell "destroyed" the core of the team.
The core that Holmgren built couldn’t last. It would have unraveled even if Holmgren had still been the GM.
Tobeck and Gray were OLD. Alexander, we now know, had hit his peak and ready for a rapid decline.
Mack Strong’s neck injury couldn’t have been predicted, but he was getting long in the tooth too.
The tight end on that team was an underachieving, self-destructive idiot.
Engram lasted longer than many people expected, but all of the other receivers on that team have done little since then.
And that’s just the offense.
Simply put, there were too many pieces that needed to be replaced.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, I should add, the main thrust of your comment is correct, but it leads to a conclusion different from yours
Holmgren’s team was never a consistent contender — which means that the inevitable unraveling of a core that was merely “decent” was almost certain to bring the kind of W-L records we’re seeing now
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ruskell killed the offense (Sorry, but I must speak of Hutch)
He drafted Spencer, who was a total reach at that position. He’d played center 1 year and really could have been picked up later if at all. He let Hutch go, which hastened the demise of Toebeck and certainly did not extend Walter’s career. Do you think Matt would be as beat up as he is if Hutch was still here? He gave away a hall-of-fame LG and then half-assed his replenishing of the OL with guys like Sims and Willis who I don’t think would start on other teams.
He did not take the offensive line seriously enough. Seriously, can you watch the Vikings play and not think of what we’d be like with an OL like that? We should have just paid Hutch the guaranteed money and worked it out with him later.
Then he threw a first round pick up for Branch, and he’s done nothing. He wasn’t a real number 1 receiver in NE anyway, and we gave up a first rounder for this. So we gave up Hutch for nothing, and a first round pick also for nothing. He drafted a center who’s done nothing, and he drafted a LB this year when we could have traded that pick and drafted two other OL. We drafted a DL last year in the first round who’s really wasn’t worth a first rounder either and he’s drafted several other pint-sized DBs in the first and 2nd round who were also wastes of draft picks.
He could have trivially kept a decent core of people around Hasselbeck and Walter. If he’d just have drafted decent OL every year in the first round we’d have a damn fine OL right now and a decent defense with the guys we already had.
There were pieces that needed to be replaced, and Ruskell responded to that need by giving away players and draft picks for nothing, and then drafting midgets and other worthless players in every first round. Our 2nd round picks have been decent, but our first round picks have been a joke.
I would conclude that Holmgren’s teams were a defense short of being a consistent contender. I blame this on the loss of Fritz. I don’t think Holmgren ever found a good DC after that, although he continually put as much trust in the other bozos he had at DC as he would have put in Fritz. I think that was Mike’s biggest failing. He didn’t have good help at DC. Had our defense even been mediocre, we’d have dominated. As it was, they mostly sucked and really sucked on the road.
by lordtd on Nov 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, whatever
I just want to make a couple of points in addition to the ones I made above (and which you ignored).
- When he was drafted, everyone had Spencer rated as the top center in the draft and everyone thought the Seahawks were right to take him.
- Now you’re saying that Holmgren’s team was a defense short of being a consistent contender. So why do you critcize Ruskell for focusing on the defense?
Also see the “Defending Tim Ruskell” fanpost. It does a good job laying out the things that Ruskell has been doing to try to rebuild this team in place. That kind of rebuilding isn’t as simple as it sounds, and very few GM’s pull it off. The ones that do usually don’t have as many aging veterans in key positions as we did after 2005.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand the Spencer hate.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 2, 2009 3:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not Haten, he's just not that good
did you see him totally miss, what I’m sure would be his assignment on the “up the middle blitz” that sacked Hass. linebacker came right up the middle past Spencer who double teamed the D tackle. It was an Obvious blitz, my wife saw it coming. It’s not haten its just fact, he has not lived up to expectations.
yea dude
by dirtyktm on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did too...
he doubled to the right and Spenser was locked in to the left. Should have been Unger 1 on 1 with Brooking, and leave Willis on an island for that particular play.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 2, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Truf got his sobering welcome back
With three def PI calls.
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by Nick Andron on Nov 1, 2009 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I was not a big fan of at least two of those PI calls
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The one where Miles Austin plowed over Trufant comes to mind
by kearly on Nov 1, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better than the bizarre one on Roy Williams in the end zone.
Aside from being uncatchable (Williams ran the wrong route), there just wasn’t a lot of there there.
by marc w on Nov 2, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate
How PI gets called for every little thing now.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 2:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And then hate even more when they don't, and ought to have been.
by jacobstevens on Nov 2, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't mind that as much
Helps make up for all the other BS calls, and it seems to rarely happen anymore anyhow. I think in general you should just let guys play when a PI call costs a team 30-40 yards, unless the foul is fairly blatant.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As for Ruskell and the off-season...
unless we’re talking clear upgrade (Cowher maybe) I can’t see the point of firing Ruskell and starting from scratch.
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by dcrockett17 on Nov 1, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Me either
Stopping a plan mid-stride often sets the whole franchise back. Let’s see this through and see if it can work. 2009 is no the conclusion. It’s really just another year in a long plan.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Let’s give Ruskell/Mora more time to put their combined stamp on the team. There’s already decent improvement from last year, especially that embarrasing game on Thanksgiving last year against this same Cowboys team.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd the 2nd.
Strong agreement to “stay the course” through at least one more draft.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even a "clear upgrade" like Cowher
would result in a new scheme that would throw everyone for a loop again. New coaches need to be given some time. So yeah, I agree. After years of John Marshall and Gil Haskell, we finally get some new blood to go along with our new coach. Ruskell has his team in place. It’s only a matter of another draft or two before this team’s core is much younger, stronger, and ferocious than ever before.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you so much for putting that in quotes.
by jacobstevens on Nov 2, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I didn't see Cowher as a clear upgrade myself...
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 2, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not everyone drinks the
Cowher kool aid.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 2, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are a few other guys on offense worh keeping around
Like Willis, Housh, Forsett, Butler and Schmitt (still think T.J. has a few more seasons in him). I think it’s more of a transition from a pass-first Holmgren offense to a run-first offense using Knapp’s ZBS. It’s time we purge as many veterans as we can (except Hass, for one more season at least) after the season, but give as many young’ins playing time right now.
Patrick Kerney, Deion Branch and Julius Jones don’t have a future here any more; on both offense and defense we need to look toward the future, even if 2009 becomes an extended preseason for 2010.
by J.L. White on Nov 1, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The core of a decent offense is in place EXCEPT
for a long term quarterback solution.
We also need time for an offensive line to develop and play multiple games together, I think it took 3-4 years for the 2005 line to grow to their level of domination.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Also could use a a big young running back to pair with Forsett next year. The one thing I would really, really love is another stud in the secondary (assuming Trufant returns to form). I hate seeing tall receivers easily catch passes while our defensive backs jump a second too late. It’s getting SOOOOOO old now.
by J.L. White on Nov 1, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A taller young CB opposite Trufant would be amazing.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think a purge is necessary
… unless we need to free up cap room.
We need to build through the draft and undrafted free agents. I think we’re past the point where we should be plugging in expensive veterans in hopes of making a near-term run.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of many names that I would delete right off the bat. I don't think a full "purging" is out of the question.
We have a lot of mediocre guys hanging around, chewing up cap space that can be cut in order to build a younger, stronger group of guys.
-Seneca, JJ, Branch, Redding, Kerney, Cole, Terrill, Jennings, Babs….and I hate to say it, but Walter Jones. Jones isn’t mediocre, but he’s done. I don’t think the team should bring him back next year. He uses up SO much cap space.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know enough about football, but how sentimental do teams get?
What are the chances we keep a player like Walt next year even knowing he won’t play just to give him money?
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
0%
It’s a business. Why pay someone 10 million bucks to be a mountainous cheerleader?
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the answer to "Why?" is sentiment
but if that is not used, then good.
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, well they aren't going to pay that much
for sentiment. They paid Alexander because they thought he could continue to perform. When he didn’t they released them, rightfully. I think that at the end of the season, it will come down to:
1) Walt retires
2) Walt is released.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the front offices are usually pretty cold-hearted
If they do something that looks like sentimentality, there’s usually some business logic behind it — for example, not wanting to upset their fanbase by releasing one of the fans’ favorite players.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we give Shaun a huge contract to pay for what he did in the past?
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think us fans certainly urged the team to do that contract
But I also think the team thought Alexander would continue to produce somewhere near the same level he’d been at for the preceding years. His sudden collapse surprised all of us.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your list and
would add, the DC needs to consider a 3-4. Curry and Hill on the outside, Lofa and Heater on the inside, the opposing QB never knowing who is going to blitz? That would be fun to see and I do believe that Mebane is the NT that can handle that scheme.
by mrcoffee1969 on Nov 2, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the NT in a 3-4 scheme generally massive?
If Mebane is 290 or so pounds right now, he would be a ‘DE’ in a 3-4 Scheme like an Igor Olshanksy or Luis Castillo.
I may be wrong though, looking at Yahoo Depth Charts here are the NTs and the DEs.
SD – Ogemdi Nwagbuo 6’4" 303 (Cesaire and Castillo and 6’2" 295, 6’3" 290) Normally Jamal Williams 6’3" 350.
ARI – Bryan Robinson 6’4" 304 (Campbell and Docket 6’7" 290, 6’4" 285)
BAL – Kelly Greg 6’0 310 (Pryce and Ngata 6’5" 285, 6’4" 340!!)
DAL – Jay Ratliff 6’4" 305 (Spears and Olshanksy 6’4" 310 and 6’6" 315)
DEN – Ronald Fields 6’2" 315 (McBean and Peterson 6’5" 290 63" 300)
GB – Ryan Picket 6’2" 330 backup Raji 6’2" 337 ( Jolly and Jenksin 6’3" 320 6’2" 305)
JAX – Terrance Knighton 6’3" 325 (Henderson and Ellison 6’7" 335 6’3" 320
KC – Ron Edwards 6’3" 315 ( Tyson Jackson Glenn Dorsey LSU 6’4" 295 Buds 6’1" 300) along with Marcus Spears, LSU sure seems to grow some big DEs.
MIA – Jason Ferguson 6’3" 310 (Langford and Starks 6’6" 295 6’3" 305)
NE – Vince Wilfor 6’2" 325 BLATANTLY WRONG ( Warren and Green 6’5" 300 6’3" 285)
NYJ – Sione Pouha 6’3" 325 (Ellis and Douglas (6’5" 285 and 6’2" 290)
PIT – Casey Hampton 6’2" 325 (Kirschke and Keisel 6’3" 300 6’5" 285)
SF – Aubraya Franklin 6’1" 315 (Sopoaga and J. Smith 6’2" 330 6’4" 285)
Guess I was wrong about the NT part.
by LantermanC on Nov 2, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mebane is a stud, but he wouldn't be an effective 3-4 NT.
Not to mention that switching schemes would only further delay this rebuilding.
by thebyron on Nov 2, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
John, here's a big question that may be premature
but I think it bears asking now: should we jettison Leroy Hill after the season, to give Hawthorne a starting spot?
by J.L. White on Nov 1, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that
but I championed splitting the position between Herring and Hawthorne last season, so I might be a bit slanted. I don’t think Hill is bad, I just think he is expendable.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we would have been fine with your proposed solution too.
Herring played fairly well while Hill was out, and Hawthorne has also looked decent.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And their skills complement each
funny when I think about it, I think I could have as strong a case as almost anyone on Earth to attack Ruskell, but I just find the whole process futile. What do I know of what Ruskell can do?
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And particularly on the Hill contract
dude may yet become a star, and even if he doesn’t his contract is easy to discard without much penalty. For all the legit critiques of Ruskell, the Hill contract is not really a critique. He signed a potential star to a good contract AND he found super-cheap high quality depth.
What’s the problem exactly?
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by dcrockett17 on Nov 1, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm interested in finding out though, when it comes to the offense.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance we keep Hill, but due to yet another year of injury concerns
at a significant salary decrease? Seems he is barely over replacement level at this point due to his injury history, despite still having significant upside.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any trade value for Hill?
You said his contract makes him easy to cut; three linebackers making Top 10 money is no longer an efficient use of cash.
by J.L. White on Nov 1, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else notice our run defense was pretty good today?
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by SSreporters on Nov 1, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Outside of the SF game, we've been pretty decent against the run all year.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We were really hurt that game by having Mebane out.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure missed him there.
I’m looking forward to playing them again with Mebane and showing them what our defense can do.
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by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the deepest RB game we've faced all year
And got some good stops.
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by SSreporters on Nov 1, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Off Topic: Suh in a *little* trouble
3 car accident involving parked cars
blood alcohol under the legal limit
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4614235&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines
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by dcrockett17 on Nov 1, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds reasonable...
Don’t think this deserves a notice even. Sounds pretty accidental and minor, not to mention acceptable. BAL under the league limit… err… legal limit.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How does Suh already have a Land Rover?
by LantermanC on Nov 1, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alumni.
College (football) athletes live a pretty charmed life.
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They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?
by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean some rich alumni got together and bought him one?
by redwolf75 on Nov 1, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The UF football players want for nothing because of alumni.
New cars, money, whatever they want. I’m sure it’s the same at whatever school Suh goes to. (forgive my ignorance)
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely! A Violation if it were true.
Boosters CANNOT buy college athletes cars…
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
by iverson2169 on Nov 1, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The function of a booster is to...
Donate either time or money to improving school facilities/programs….. but cannot directly give anything to an athlete.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
by iverson2169 on Nov 4, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably a case of
“here, I’ll let you “borrow” my car for a while."
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?
by Wayward Llama on Nov 2, 2009 3:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nebraska
He never wants for fresh corn.
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 1, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can have apples and salmon the the PNW.
As much as he can gobble up.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?
by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really a concern
Ruskell helped to draft Warren Sapp for Tampa, Warren Sapp had character red flags. His talent was so great that they thought it would be worth the risk.
That being said, I don’t think he gets past Tampa, St Louis, or Detroit.
by Trepidation on Nov 1, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article - My impression differs
I will be labeled a pessimist, and a de-railer, but I do not see the purpose in staying the course. Hasselbeck is not getting younger, and we are going to have a great defense and no offense for years.
This is the same position the ‘94 Seahawk’s were in. I do not see the value in the Tampa organizational approach. It worked for Tampa after drafting elite defensive players and hiring an offensive minded coach.
I would argue we do not have elite defense players, and we have a defensive minded coach.
To get to the playoffs in the NFL, you must have a offense that scores points against other explosive teams. We do not have that, and will not for many years.
I am sad this day. Brandon Mebane may yet become the next Cortez Kennedy; in more ways than one.
How one could look at this result and call it improvement because we gave up fewer sacks and actually scored a touchdown is mind boggling.
This post is not to be antagonistic, but it may ruffle those who differ in opinion. Ban me if you must.
We were uncompetitive. It is an objective truth. At no point did Dallas ever fear for this game.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Of course you're not going to get banned.
I think you are overstating how lopsided it was. Seattle stuck in for most of the half. Compared to Arizona or the Giants last season, Seattle was comparatively competitive.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to agree. I want so desperately to drink the kool-aid
I guess competitive, in my often time delusional world, is a game where you are in it till the end. When you come out fighting and stay fighting, as does the other team, for nearly 60 minutes. When you lose like UW does against ASU. That was competitive.
Today, we simply got slaughtered less slow.
I guess I look at Dallas, a middling team, and I realize, “my God. There is not one Seattle offensive player that would start for Dallas.”
That said, I do agree that the pass to Branch gave me hope. And I do love Hawthorne. But I think our talent on defense is overstated. Our secondary was shredded, our pass rush, while creating pressure, could not seal the deal. We are are not a better defense than in ’05.
I give all the credit in the world to our current management for some great things the past 5 years. That said, I look at Atlanta and Miami, and I see a team that blew it up, and got better.
I would much prefer to watch an young offensive team that scores points in bunches and loses to a team that score more points than a team that plays better run defense year over year but cannot score.
The Seahawk’s, frighteningly so, are boring. Again, that makes me sad.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Housh, Branch, maybe even Burleson
could start in Dallas.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?
by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't sweat the details and you should
Dallas is not middling, not even close. Seattle was on the road. Seattle had 308 yards of total offense. Dallas had 362. No one got shredded but our return unit.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the biggest difference was that they finished drives
we didn’t.
For whatever reading (bogus IP calls, randomness of fumble recovery etc).
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I’m going to check out how many yards we gained after we fell behind by 18. If it is less than when the score was still manageable, I’m all in.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mebane is good...
but he is no ‘Tez. Tez was defensive MVP of the league on an incredibly crappy team. That just doesn’t happen. Mebane is good, maybe great, but ’Tez was brilliant.
I also don’t agree with your assessment that you have to have a great offense to go places. The Baltimore Raven, Trent Dilfer led team proves otherwise. What you need is something absolutely outstanding, or multiple areas of very very good.
Also, we were competitive for much of this game, regardless of when/if Dallas had fear. The game was tight.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WAS being operative word... Dallas did spread it out eventually, but not until the 3rd quarter.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baltimore is the exception, not the rule
There is no denying this.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I said, "What you need is something absolutely outstanding, or multiple areas of very very good."
But to say “you HAVE to have a great offense to go to the places” simply isn’t true.
You can even have a weak offense and a very good defense and get to the playoffs. But you show your colors in an updated comment since I originally wrote that when you called us “boring.” You want an exciting offense, and claim it is the key to winning. It isn’t. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a hell of a lot more fun to watch, however! I agree with you on that one. Unless you have a crazy intense D, it’s more fun to watch an offensively focused team. Even then, it’s more fun to watch last year’s Arizona play last year’s Atlanta in a 44-38 shootout, than to watch the 2006 Bears play the 2001 Ravens in a 6-3 field position battle.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A great defense, without a defensive star is rare
I do not mind Seattle being successful via defense. I do mind when we force it to be our focus when it is obviously not ready to do so. We have an average to porous defense. We have as many, if not more holes in defense than offense today.
Our star players are from a previous regime, are old, and play offense.
This team has no identify, no direction, no leadership, no accountability.
A blocking scheme is a poor excuse for direction, and the “West Coast” defense never happened.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
“No identity, no direction, no leadership, no accountability”? You’re pulling out that cliche?
You may not agree as to the level of talent on the field, but overreaction crap like that makes it much more likely to ignore everything else you write.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Nov 1, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're trying to say we do nothing well?
I mean if you have no talent, identity, direction, leadership, or accountability that would equal no production in my mind. But did we not make an elite running game look average today?
More importantly we have youth on defense. LoJack, Josh, Curry, Tapp and others will only get better.
As for the offense, you could do a whole lot worse than 249 Yds and 2 TD with an O-line that’s only just now approaching healthy.
And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.
by Cheddar28 on Nov 1, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think we can give Mebane a few years before
comparing him to Cortez Kennedy. There’s always the fact that Mebane is probably playing against far superior opposition than Kennedy ever did. Hopefully, we sign him long term after this year, and he is the rightful heir to ’Tez’s throne.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?
by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
So Tez was a top 5 pick elite talent who was great from day1, but he was great only because he played against lesser competition?!? This I don’t understand. It was only 15-20 years ago, not the 1970’s. Tez would still be elite today, but to say his competition wasn’t as good is to lesson what he did in order to magnify the quality of Mebane.
Look, Mebane is good. He may even be An heir to Tez, but he isn’t Tez and never will be. That’s not a knock. Tez is a HoF level player. Mebane is among the top 10-15 in the league right now.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if we bring in a 3-tech (draft) and move 'Bane back to his old spot.
Not that I have solid evidence that we need to, but I wonder just how well he plays his new position compared to his old one.
Cortez and Mebane have something in common. They both play or played defensive tackle.
I love Mebane, and I’m not knocking him. I am curious. Did we slide him over out of necessity? Perhaps.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 1, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we hire Mike Holmgren as the GM now?
I think this team needs to go into a new direction just like the Miami Dolphins did. We haven’t been playing good football and we really need to build the future around the draft and the 2010 Draft is very important because we have 3 picks on day 1. Burleson has proved that he’s worth the 49 million dollars seattle signed him for so props to him and Babineaux and Hawthorne.
by Seahawksfan23 on Nov 1, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Burleson's deal is actually less than that.
I think its something like 5yr/15 mil. The 49mil was the poison pill thing and the Vikings had to match it.
by MFAN on Nov 1, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh right sorry for my ignorance
I forgot about the poison pill. Thanks for correcting me.
by Seahawksfan23 on Nov 1, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he isn't
For all he did for us, I don’t think Holmgren is in tune with where the game is today or where it’s going.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Where is the game today?
And where is it going? And what are the ways was Holmgren out of tune with these things?
by John Edwards on Nov 1, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Third and long fullback draws for one.
To quote John Morgan, “Mike Holmgren thinks the shotgun is a trick play.”
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Holmgren the answer?
Chuck Knox is probably available, and he was successful in Seattle. I bet he could be a decent GM.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is it written that the best GM's are former head coaches?
I don’t think the evidence supports that conclusion.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was being sarcastic.
He called for Holmgren as GM, forgetting as most do that Holmgren as GM didn’t work on a fast enough time-table to satisfy the fan base the first time around.
Holmgren as GM didn’t cut it quick enough, despite the coach and GM having perfect communication about the type of players that would fit best in the coach’s designed system. Why would it be any different this time around with a random head coach that (I’m guessing) would not have as good a line of communication with the GM as Holmgren did with the GM when he first got to Seattle?
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't really replying to you personally
Just commenting on a peculiar line of thinking I see from a lot of fans.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha.
We’re not far apart then. I just hate when I hear someone bring up Holmgren as the answer for our next GM. We essentially fired him from the job once before.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 1, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well try coaching a team and handling the management.
That’s pretty difficult and I think Holmgren was the only active coach to do such thing. This time he only has to worry about management and will give him time to re-evaluate this season in a meticulous matter.
by Seahawksfan23 on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren had his shot as a GM under Paul Allen.
Gun to my head, I’d say that Holmgren’s best days of evaluating talent on both a player and coaching level are behind him. This is the man who stuck with fullback draws on third downs, hesitated to go to the shotgun, and kept John Marshall and Gil Haskell employed for too long.
I have to be honest, I think what he’s doing right now in Europe is probably the best thing for him. I can’t envision him coaching or being a GM anymore, but what I do think he’s capable of doing (and perhaps more capable than most of the NFL population) is being an ambassador of the NFL and gridiron football as a whole.
I love and deeply respect what Holmgren did for the city of Seattle, but I just don’t think working in a front office is what’s best for him or the team that hires him. I think at this point in his career, his skills are best suited to working for the NFL at a PR level. That’s not a slight on Holmgren, but rather an observation that the NFL has changed from where it was twenty or even just nine years ago.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You think the game has changed enough
that Holmgren can’t know a good player from a mediocre one? I mean that’s a totally sincere question, I just thought that was the kind of thing that you would never really lose as a coach.
And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.
by Cheddar28 on Nov 1, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Holmgren had a problem with trying to force schemes onto players
rather than trying to build a scheme around his players strengths. Nate Burleson quickly comes to mind. Leonard Weaver’s another. He was constantly railing on Chris Spencer and Rob Sims but turning around and giving playing time to the Chris Grays of the world.
He may have been able to spot good talent (which could be up for debate considering his draft record), but he seemed to have a hard time properly evaluating and utilizing that talent.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said it was tough for Holmgren to both be Head Coach and General Manager at the same time.
Yeah he made mistakes as a GM for sure. Nobody’s gonna deny that but you gotta look at the situation he was in. He was the Head Coach/General Manager/ and Executive Vice President. Bill Parcells is a great example. Nobody thought that he could be successful being Executive Vice President of Football Operations and he turned a 1-15 Dolphins to a hot 11-5 team with a division championship. And the reason why he doesn’t like shotguns cuz he had bad memories in the past. I’m not sure when it was but I remember when he used the shotgun and the ball sailed over the QB’s head. Also in the west coast offense, you’ll rarely use the shotgun anyway, it’s more of spreads not shotgun. The NFL has changed but come on. This guy is the founder of Brett Favre, turned Hasselbeck into a legit starter, and got our team into the super bowl for the first time ever.
by Seahawksfan23 on Nov 1, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to believe that Holmgren's tendencies when he was just the HC of the Seahawks would also manifest if he was just the GM.
Holmgren was a conservative play-caller who employed conservative coaches all around him (Haskell, Marshall). If he were to become a GM, I’d have to think that he would look for similar people to serve as coaches under him.
Just because Bill Parcells took over and the Dolphins went to the playoffs isn’t proof or even a good reason for bringing back Holmgren and making him the GM midway through another GM’s multi-year plan.
Even if Holmgren has bad memories of the shotgun in the past, that is absolutely no excuse to downplay it and ignore the very obvious benefits of that formation.
Sentimentality is great. I’m thankful Holmgren was here and did what he did, but that shouldn’t be considered when evaluating potential personnel.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren's playcalling may be conservative,
but his talent evaluation wasn’t. Koren Robinson, Hasselbeck, Jerramy Stevens, these were all bold and risky moves. Who’s to say that he won’t be equally bold when picking a head coach?
by LantermanC on Nov 1, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We didnt trade that much for Hasselbeck
by biggiestylez on Nov 1, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Essentially a 2nd round pick for a 6th rounder who hadn 't done anything.
At least a Schaub-type played some games.
by LantermanC on Nov 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, his track record picking his coaching staff?
Do you really want someone like Gil Haskell or John Marshall as our head coach? Because, you know, Holmgren has a fondness for his old pals.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fondness for his pals to supplement his coaching style sure,
but I wouldn’t say with certainty that he would only hire a Gruden-type.
by LantermanC on Nov 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for John:
If we are to begin rebuilding the offense with next year’s draft, do we first find a QB or do we start with the offensive line?
by Wilder. on Nov 1, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not John, but...
…I’d love both. If we come out of the 2nd with a QB and an LT I will be very, very, very happy.
by djafrot on Nov 1, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best talent when it's available.
If Seattle has a chance at a franchise quarterback, that trumps all other considerations.
by John Morgan on Nov 1, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if we sign Campbell?
I’m guessing that would mean we release Matt.
by Hawkhammer19 on Nov 1, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For Pete's sake plz no Campbell :(
And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.
by Cheddar28 on Nov 1, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie or bust!
Just not rookie bust. Please exclude Notre Dame from our draft board with regards to future QB selections.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 1, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
These things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Seneca (or Matt) and Teel could be jettisoned and Campbell and a draftee could step in.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True. Though not plan 'A' in my book.
The way rookies are being prepared to play, maybe the days of a year or two on the bench are behind us. Certainly, that trend is changing. A lot will depend on who is available/selected, but I hope we don’t waste years with an average stop-gap at QB. Campbell would be to QB as Jones or James are to RBs in Seattle.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 1, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I see Clausen as Mark Sanchez.
And I think he’ll make a good QB.
But all the QBs in this draft (Clausen, Locker, Bradford, and McCoy all have question marks) so I’m not sure if I want one of them. If McCoy falls to our Denver pick, I guess I’d be fine with that. Though if it were between him, Charlie Brown, Everson Griffen, and Morgan Burnett, I’m not sure who I’d root for.
by LantermanC on Nov 2, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really all QB prospects have flaws
Stafford and Sanchez surely had them; Ryan and Flacco did; Russell and Quinn did; Young, Leinart, and Cutler did; Smith and Rodgers did; etc.
I think people try to get too picky with QB’s, a guy like Peyton Manning comes around once in a generation. It’s easy to say, “Well I don’t think this guy could ever be a Manning/Brady type QB”, but then you’ll probably never end up picking a quarterback. The bottom line is flawless prospects are pretty much impossible to find, and if you find a flawless QB your going to need the #1 pick to get him.
I will say i don’t like McCoy though, I don’t think he deserves to go in the top few rounds. Any of the other 3 you mentioned I think all have the potential to be really good.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this.
Trying to find “The Next Peyton” is a holy grail quest. He is the greatest QB ever to play. Sure, that is what you want an a QB, but it’s nearly impossible to find. We need the best talent, at our given selection.
As for McCoy; he could be the next Drew Brees/he could be the next Alex Smith.
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 2, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse arm-strength than either.
Next Chad Pennington, without the experience of course.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 2, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He doesn’t have the arm strength of Smith or Brees. He could be Pennington, but consider that Pennington has great accuracy and has mostly mastered the mental side of the position, it’s a leap of faith to say McCoy will develop to that level. I’m not impressed with his physical skills or the accuracy/reads he’s had to make thus far.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with getting someone worse than Peyton.
I just don’t want to get JaMarcus or Alex Smith (though Smith looks like he may redeem himself, so Joey Harrington or David Carr).
by LantermanC on Nov 2, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no doubt
Just saying that in general it will be almost impossible to find a QB without flaws.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say all local (OR and WA) Field Gullers
Should get together, drink nice beer, and commiserate, and then I realized it would probably end up in:
A: Bar-fighting.
B: Multiple arrests.
C: The burning down of a celebrated local Bronco’s bar.
D: Any combination of the above.
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 1, 2009 4:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think you would be surprised how great the after party would be, however
I’ve generally made fast friends with those I’ve tussled with.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honorable mention
MAC played great today i thought, I couldnt help but keep my eye on him everytime Matt dropped back. David played great but i expected it. Man Babs played fired up today! but damn did i think John was gonna give the game ball to David.
A week ago, such an assertion would seem absurd. But as of Saturday evening, it's not ridiculous to now call Oregon the Pac-10's new frontrunner.
by NW_BRED on Nov 1, 2009 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I actually don’t like he was that great, but he did prove how bad Williams was (Sims proved how bad Vallos was) and it was nice to see Macintosh play well after all the “OMG HOW COULD RUSKELL LET THE O-LINE BE THIS BAD” talk. I’m excited to get Locklear back.
by MFAN on Nov 1, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone notice how Spencer held up?
Pressure did seem to come from inside. But I’m not sure who gave up the stunts; was that on Sims or Spencer?
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really liked all the attempts with senenca at QB
They showed a lot of different plays from the same set. I think it’s something that the hawks could possibly build into the offense in the long term, assuming we keep, trade for, or draft the same ‘1-2 punch’.
It reminds me a bit of miami, not in the “wildcat” sense, that word is overused, it just reminds me of a bad team taking a tangent from their plan and building around the talent they had.
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For the record, TJ's attitude bothers me
I can’t think of many cases in the (admittedly few) years of watching football where a having a player get so unhappy for not being targeted worked out well.
Hass has enough brain farts without having to waste brain time on keeping Housh happy.
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow that was badly worded
‘for the record’ and ‘bothered me’. Was that as useless a post as me saying who I picked for my fantasy team? (I don’t play fantasy)
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Mora did tell him to "fall in".
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 1, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a good thing, a coach not bowing to a primma donna is a good thing from a coach
I still have real believe in Mora in the long term, he(and his coaching staff) has definitely shown a much more fun to watch team than the last years of the Holmgren era. Now we just need to also win :)
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What was that all about, anyway? What did Housh say?
I saw at least one summary of Mora’s press conference that made it sound like he was saying “If TJ is frustrated, he should get in line. We’re all frustrated.” Meaning there’s a long line of people wanting to voice their frustration, not that TJ is being selfish and needs to get in line with the program.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is saying that venting your unhappyness to the team
is not good for moral, and is distracting during the game.
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think he was saying “quit bitching, this is a team game.”
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 1, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, what exactly did Housh say?
I guess I should get out of these comment threads and go read some of the postgame write-ups by the newspaper guys…
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was probably a culmination
of all his past bitching together. Then during the game when he wasn’t thrown the ball he went to the sidelines and was yelling at coaches and staff.
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 1, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when there was a time when he obviously was arguing with Hass about a throw
A QB has too much to think about IMO to think about a disgruntled WR.
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure he's disgruntled? Did you read his lips?
I saw them discussing that play and it to me, it just looked like two players talking about what they needed to do to start completing those passes.
Why is a WR a prima donna when he shows some emotion about a ball not being thrown where he expects, but it’s OK when a QB shows similar emotions when a WR drops a pass or doesn’t run the route the way the QB expects?
Now, if Housh had thrown down his helmet and sulked on the sidelines, then bitched to the press the way T.O. often does, then I would agree that he’s a prima donna that the coach needs to bring back in line.
I don’t see a problem when the QB and his receiver are talking. Even if they’re “arguing”. I think it shows that they care.
I still haven’t found anything in the post-game interviews that sounds like Housh was complaining about not getting enough balls thrown his way. Before we start trashing him, let’s get our facts straight, OK?
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Most Seattle fans are probably just looking for a player that can be controversial since we really don't have many.
People enjoy bitching even if they have to make up a reason to do so.
by BrettJMiller on Nov 1, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched the Jim Mora Show on KONG
and Coach answered a question about Housh and Matt “arguing” on the sidelines. His take on it was almost 100% the same as mine. (He didn’t say anything about TO or prima donnas.)
So much for the idea that he was calling out Housh as someone who needed to be brought back in line.
by Mr Fish on Nov 1, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I know what happened
But did you expect him to call his own player a primadonna?
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 4:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
But several commenters have said that he went off on Housh or something to that effect
I can’t find anything in Mora’s remarks which supports that interpretation.
Mora and Hasselbeck are both denying that there’s anything to be concerned about in anything that Housh said or did on Sunday. That’s good enough for me.
by Mr Fish on Nov 3, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were two different instances.
On the line-throw in the first, they were indeed just discussing the throw and figuring it out. But in the 2nd or 3rd, when Matt threw to Burly on 3rd down and he dropped it, Housh was yelling. Then he went to the sidelines and was yelling at Prince. Then he yelled at some other people. Then he sat on the bench and yelled.
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 2, 2009 6:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ was wide open
Not sure Hasselbeck had enough time to see him, but the separation was there, and the first down was to be made. Hasselbeck is forcing balls to Burleson. If Burleson is not open, Hasselbeck is dumping it off. I’m not sure of the overall numbers, but I believe we only have 5 pass plays over 30 yards.
So, Hasselbeck is not pressing the secondary deep, moving from his first read to the check down, and missing open receivers.
Tie that to losing, and I’d be pissed too.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be a result of our line?
I was watching the Green Bay Minnesota Game today and I kept on thinking that both quaterbacks what seemed like an eternity to throw the ball. If Hasselbeck keeps getting hit or rushed he may checking down early
by biggiestylez on Nov 1, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh also, the cats beating zona is the best thing that could have happened to our division.
Zona running away with it would be unfun. I don’t see us winning the Div, but having a fighting chance makes the year a little bit more fun.
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just want the game in Arizona to mean something. Even if we lose, I just want some small hope that we can sneak into the playoffs.
SEA!
by MFAN on Nov 1, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It also did not help the #1 pick that the Niners now have.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?
by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Niners have Carolina's 1st Round pick.
by DJ C-Raig on Nov 1, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, we should trade it for Denver's #1 pick!
hehe I bet at the start of the season 9ers would take that.
by GarethLewin on Nov 1, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
So the Niners lost, and Carlina won. Double whammy against the Niners. Muahaha
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?
by Wayward Llama on Nov 1, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except the Niners also are trying to catch the Cards
So most NIner fans were rooting for the Panthers.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I like the way little Mora handles things theres a certain savy about it, He understands he has to battle through adversity and keep fighting regardless the situation. He doesn’t just fold up his gameplan and put in his back pocket at the first sign of urgency and i like that. Our defense is starting to resemble Mora more and more.
A week ago, such an assertion would seem absurd. But as of Saturday evening, it's not ridiculous to now call Oregon the Pac-10's new frontrunner.
by NW_BRED on Nov 1, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Early mistakes are killing this team
In each of the last two weeks the team has been down a couple scores at the blink of an eye. The 2009 Seattle Seahawks are not going to beat Dallas when they’re down 14-3 in the first quarter very often. Same thing happened against Arizona last week.
Outside of these early holes, the team is playing ok. Not great. Probably not even good. Ok. Even with the injuries, the 2009 team is good enough to win 7 or 8 games. They’ll probably win 5 though because of some bad breaks (fumble luck and ticky-tack penalties) and allowing themselves to be constantly playing from 2 touchdowns behind early in games.
By the way, with the rest of the NFC West sucking hard, that Chicago game — that was so winnable — is looming large. At 3-4, this piece of crap Hawks team could be in the playoff hunt in the NFC West…
by Keasley on Nov 1, 2009 6:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As Parcells is famous for saying
You are your record. Seattle is 2-5.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking only at the record is the height of results-based analysis.
The record isn’t everything. Teams don’t bounce back from 4-12 seasons to go to the playoffs the following season that often.
This season we’re looking for improvements. So far, we’re seeing a team that’s struggling with age at key positions and struggling with a new coaching staff and schemes, but we’re also seeing a far more competitive group than the team we fielded last season.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What aspects of the improvments are supporting the future vision of the Seattle team?
I’ll buy in to :
1) Unger as growing into a decent guard
2) Curry becoming an average OLB
3) Mebane being moved back to 1-tech and plugging the run
4) Tatiupp/Hawethorne playing the run
Those are 3-4 good to average players that can help build a defense. My concern is that I see nothing for the future on the offense.
Competitive in my book means showing something the whole game. Special teams and referring are part of the game. SF played a competitive game.
We lost less ugly.
Based on the drive chart from cbssports.com: Seattle’s last meaningful drive was with 13:26 left in the 2nd quarter. The only other substantial drive was the opening of the 3rd quarter, we failed to get beyond the 50, and the last scrub possession. Where is the competition?
Seahawks Drive Chart
1 12:56 5:58 SEA 6 14 69 Field Goal
1 03:12 1:20 SEA 27 3 13 Fumble
2 13:26 3:01 SEA 20 9 80 Touchdown
2 05:14 1:18 SEA 38 3 -1 Punt
2 00:35 0:35 SEA 20 1 2 End of Half
315:00 4:35 SEA 17 10 43 Punt
3 09:17 1:25 SEA 44 3 2 Punt
3 02:39 1:28 SEA 20 3 9 Punt
3 01:11 1:22 SEA 20 4 2 Punt
4 10:58 1:27 SEA 20 7 29 Punt
4 09:14 0:34 DAL 8 2 8 Touchdown
4 04:06 1:58 SEA 8 5 69 Fumble
4 00:14 0:14 SEA 24 1 3 End of Game
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This team was in it until the third quarter when special teams gave away field position.
Last season, this team would have been dead in the water by the end of the first quarter.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious question,
if a team gives up 3 tds in the first quarter and one every quarter afterwards, or if it gives up 1 each quarter in the first half, then 3 in the 3rd quarter, is this worse?
Seems to me like it doesn’t really matter when the points happen, just the ending score (unless the losing team scores a few in the last 5 minutes). If a team is tied 0-0, then gives up 7 runs in the 7th inning, its still a beat down.
by LantermanC on Nov 1, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're ignoring context.
What situation was the defense facing when they took the field to start an opposition drive? Did the opposition force a fumble and recover in favorable field position? Did special teams fail to cover and give the opposition favorable field position?
Again, the ending score is another piece of results-based analysis. The result of this game was bad, no one is disputing that, but there were a lot of good things that happened today.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The defensive failures (including penalties) on the Cowboys final 2nd half drive
were pivotal. If we could’ve held them to a FG and kept time on the clock, Matt and Co. could very well have put more points up before the half (I say this based on them being a good two-minute drill team in relation to how they produce on average).
And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.
by Cheddar28 on Nov 1, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Losing by 4 to the best team in football is not sucking hard!! :-)
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is depressing
but true. Even right now with this team that isn’t good we have Detroit, Tampa, and Titans all at home. That’s three right there. Throw in the Rams on the road as our only other win. I’ll take 6 wins from a team that has finally seen it’s two best players on offense basically fall apart(Jones and to a lesser extent Hass).
by Hancock.Brett on Nov 1, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seattle can easily be beaten by
Detroit
Titans
Rams
I would say that next weeks game is for jobs at the highest level. Big time pucker factor next week.
Sad. Seattle’s big game of 2009: Detroit.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well we did beat the Rams 28-0.
I do see your point and of course any given Sunday, but I don’t see the Lions game being that close. I could be wrong and I might have to eat my words, but I don’t think Seattle will struggle with the Lions, especially at home.
SEA!
by MFAN on Nov 1, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither.
We seem to have the proven ability this season to blow out bad teams at home. The Lions lost to the fucking Rams. We can beat the Lions.
by redwolf75 on Nov 1, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you've got it backwards
Seattle has faced two opponents that are below them in talent, coaching, and scheme. They absolutely crushed both. Detroit, Titans, Lions, Bucs, and Rams are the remaining teams in this category. I’m not trying to guarantee wins but….
by Hancock.Brett on Nov 1, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you all are right
I think.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The team you saw today was in it through the first half
and fell out of it in the third quarter largely because special teams started coughing up field position. They stayed competitive with a better team for a good part of the game.
by BrianL on Nov 1, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They gave up 21 points in the first half
Dallas had touchdown drives of 78, 30, 65, and 62 yards and averaged 37 yards per possession. Seattle had three 3 and outs and a turnover in the second half. The Hawks weren’t that bad but the game wasn’t close, the WE shows that.
by Nate Dogg on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas drive breakdown below
from CBSsportsline.com
15:00 2:04 DAL 20 5 24 Punt
06:58 3:46 DAL 22 7 78 Touchdown
01:52 3:26 SEA 30 6 30 Touchdown
10:25 5:11 DAL 8 11 62 Missed FG
03:56 3:21 DAL 35 10 65 Touchdown
10:25 1:08 DAL 8 3 1 Punt
07:52 5:13 DAL 38 9 62 Touchdown
14:49 3:51 DAL 37 7 41 Field Goal
09:31 0:17 DAL 13 1 -3 Fumble
08:40 4:34 DAL 29 7 34 Punt
02:08 1:54 DAL 17 3 6 Punt
Two punts in the first 3 quarters.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Nov 1, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I'm already thinking draft picks.
How grueling was it this past off-season to hope a player wasn’t picked by a team above us and fell? I love our team, but I’m nearly blinded by future excitement from the draft now that this season is in the toilet. I’m not sure I even want to beat Detroit with how I’m feeling right now.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 1, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same, I'm going QB/DT crazy, and that requires a top 5 pick.
by LantermanC on Nov 1, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fortunately, this could be a great QB class...or at least deep.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 1, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't happy with a uncalled holding penalty on Dallas' first TD
Nor was I happy with the PI call against Trufant where Austin ran into him, and it wasn’t even Trufant’s fault. Both were calls that led to 14 points for the Cowboys.
That said, the Cowboys played better today, even without the aid of those two calls.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Nov 1, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As you mentioned John
Most young Seahawk fans are used to the Seahawks winning.I am a young Seahawks fan and well, I am used to them winning. I was in diapers in the 90’s so I didn’t really have to endure what most of you guys went through. I am a Seahawk fan though and always will be! Even if they are bad right now.
I really don’t know what to think of this team. We always seem to draft defensive minded, yet our defense is bad. I do think we played pretty well however. One of the main miscues was our special teams though. We are a team in transition and change, and it shows.
The good news is that we still have two 1st rounders so hopefully we can restock on good young talent, maybe even trade down with one if needed.
Lets get Schmitt Faced!
by Pessimistic Optimist on Nov 1, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We all knew in our heads this would most likely be a loss
Dallas was hitting its stride before today and there was little we knew the Hawks could do it to halt that. They’re a solid team and staying competitive through the first half is nothing to smash laptops over.
Here’s what I take out of today:
We’ve finally established that Seattle does indeed lack the tools to beat a majority of opponents. But we have seen some satisfactory to satisfying defensive play and sparks (of debatable voltage…amperage? idk.) of production on offense. Which teams we can and cannot beat seems clear to me at this point. In knowing all this, I for one can start resigning myself to what the rest of the season will be like and more importantly…
just enjoy seeing the Seahawks play; Shrug at the bad stuff and fist pump when Burleson makes a leaping catch or little Forsett pops between people for big gains.
And all the land was in ruin, and burnination had forsaken the countryside.
by Cheddar28 on Nov 1, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Although I'd like to see a serious evaluation of Mebane's switch to the 3-tech,
I can’t help but wonder if we need to add a 3-tech through the draft and move ’Bane back to his old spot. I love him to death, but I think he might better suited there. I can understand the switch, since good 3-techs are hard to find – especially good ones. Maybe we were biding our time to find that player in this upcoming draft. Suh or McCoy next to Mebane would give me a lot of hope for the future of our defensive line along w/ our other young piece in Jackson and hopefully Tapp.
*I expected the game to transpire much like it did and braced myself for it. I just didn’t see this year’s team much different than the one that didn’t stack up last Thanksgiving.
*I saw a few bad plays from Babs. Hopefully, my perception is off because of it, because I can see that John holds some hope about him. I’ll have to be convinced to want to keep anyone in the secondary other than Josh at nickle and Tru at one corner spot. That said, we need offense.
*We need everything on offense save for TE1 and Fullback.
*The offensive line needs overhauled or serious competition for several positions. We need a playmaker at RB – not a stopgap. Jones is adequate. We need thoroughbred explosive. Special. QB concerns are obvious. I like our WRs but I can see Branch coming off the books, who hits age 31 next July and is clearly a role-player right now – an expensive one.
*Money may be strange discussion with no CBA, yet. I take a lot of joy in the fact we have one of the best Owners in football who does what it takes to win – even if it means change. I think Paul Allen will entrust Mora and Co. to continue building, but I’m not convinced Ruskell will be here. I think he will, though.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 1, 2009 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just something I wanted to throw out there.
A lot of people have mentioned that Ruskell tore down the 2005 team (or some version of tore down) and broke up the core of the team. Would we be happy if the Seahawks roster was exactly the same as it was in 2005? Because it would be a disaster. I don’t think a lot of people realize that the 2005 offense was actually getting old and about to be past it’s prime and that Ruskell actually inherited a rebuilding team. The 2006 team was lucky to make the playoffs and the 2007 team had remarkable health for its age.
It’s a different era now, the team is in transition and has shown some improvements after collapsing last season. So far they’ve struggled with good teams and beaten up on bad teams, that’s usually the sign of a .500 team (maybe 7-9, who knows) and that is a huge step forward.
So….SEA!
SEA!
by MFAN on Nov 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pessimist: "our defense is bad" Umm No no no no no no
Hmm don’t know what defense your watching but the defense im watching is palying inspired football and most importantly playing as a unit, even with their own set of injuries and setbacks STILL pushing and fighting!
Ya know when an offense isn’t clicking and seemingly struggling it puts a hell of alot of pressure on your defense, And when your defense gets dragged 60 70 80 yards down field or whatever it may be. And then the offense posts a short drive 3 and out or turnover on their ensuing posession, And you start seeing more of the same from that. Well that tends to wear on a defense and with our offense not where it’s supposed to be its really hurting our above average defense…
So “bad” No on the field too much yea sure.. But i still believe our defense is playing much better than our other sides of the ball.. Remember just 2 years ago the Hawks made up 2/3 of the NFC’s starting defense in the pro-bowl..Im not one to read in to things like that but by any standards thats impressive..
A week ago, such an assertion would seem absurd. But as of Saturday evening, it's not ridiculous to now call Oregon the Pac-10's new frontrunner.
by NW_BRED on Nov 2, 2009 12:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
2/3?
Kerney, Tats, Peterson, and Tru is 2/3?
Broncos 12 Bengals 7: The story of the 2009 Seattle Seahawks.
by SSreporters on Nov 2, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it was true
That was years ago.
Lets get Schmitt Faced!
by Pessimistic Optimist on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me rephrase that
Our defense is playing bad. We all know we have talent on both sides of the ball. And to be fair, we probably expected too much from a team in so much transition.
4-12 team in the middle of coaching/scheme changes. Odds were against us from the beginning.
One more thing..I agree with your bit about how the offense is hurting the defense. It’s not good when you have an OC who likes to run the ball, and you can’t even run the ball. The Seahawks are 29th in the NFL in rushing, and that’s after bringing in Knapp. Of course it would help if the line was healthy, and we are getting healthy now, so lets see if we can start picking up the ground game.
Lets get Schmitt Faced!
by Pessimistic Optimist on Nov 2, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Seahawks defense can't get off the field when it counts
They’re making great plays to put their opponents into 3rd and long situations and then allowing them to convert first downs. While better than last year, they are not getting a consistent pass rush. And interceptions are non-existant. Most troubling: surrendering early leads and forcing the offense to play from behind.
by Keasley on Nov 2, 2009 7:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Romo was killing himself yesterday
I saw the same exact defense that took the field in Indy and if it wasn’t for Romo throwing the ball everywhere without any pressure we would have been done at the end of the 1st.
by Hancock.Brett on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't understand the way we're trying to create pressure.
I thought we’d see a lot of creativity in our blitzing. There is no reason we can’t bring the heat with Hill, Curry, Hawthorne, and others. I just haven’t seen blitzes that work often enough. I seriously question whether we’re using Hill correctly.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer, Sam Bradford*.
by Misfit74 on Nov 2, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rock out with your HAWK out!
Well maybe not 2/3 XD
A week ago, such an assertion would seem absurd. But as of Saturday evening, it's not ridiculous to now call Oregon the Pac-10's new frontrunner.
by NW_BRED on Nov 2, 2009 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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