Could Seattle Pursue Vick Next Season?
by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 10:23 AM PST
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I am not trying incite a riot or any foul food for thought. I am not trying to get a reaction either. I just wonder if Seattle could actually pursue Michael Vick if the Eagles don't sign his second year option?
For one, I think Vick is still talented enough to play QB. I know there are ties between Mora, Ruskell, and Vick. I know Mora has said publicly that Seattle won't pursue Vick, but that was while we were still in training camp/pre-season.
I know Mora/Ruskell were looking at this team through rose colored glasses at the beginning of the year, who wouldn't, but now that we are a dismal 3-5 and looking to not make the playoffs. Do Mora/Ruskell look at every option possible to make this team better for the future, or do they avoid the controversy? Does Vick give Seattle an edge? Would it be beneficial to pick up Vick as a backup to Hasselbeck? Or do we draft a QB and let him develop under Matt?
If Seattle does choose to pursue Vick the Jury of dog lovers in Seattle will look like the pic below the jump.
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Vick got Mora fired.
Vick wasn’t a good QB before he spent 18months in jail.
This community wouldn’t accept Vick. Ruskell has enough people calling for his head.
It also doesn’t fit Ruskell character qualities that he looks for.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree on the character qualities...
Old Vick, yes. New Vick has Tony Dungy in his corner, and that’s significant.
And he was a “good” QB, though certainly not a great one by a long long shot. But he was a heck of a lot better than a lot of guys that lined up then and are lining up now as starters.
I’m not advocating signing him, just sayin’…
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 11, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dungy is irrelevant
Because Vick is a knucklehead, pure and simple.
Beyond that, however, is the simple fact that his skills were deteriorating even before his prison stint, and two years away from the game has done him irreparable harm. He doesn’t have the skills to be a starting NFL QB anymore, and may be questionable even as a back-up.
by Buster! on Nov 11, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how is Dungy irrelavent when when speaking about Character?
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because we're speaking of Vick's character
Not Dungy’s. Dungy seems to be a great guy, but Vick has had a long history of making mistakes, and while he may be on the right path as long as Dungy is there to hold his hand, he has shown, from past actions, every inclination to take the wrong path when left on his own.
by Buster! on Nov 11, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is exactly why Donovan McNabb convinced Andy Reed and the FO sign him
McNabb tried to recruit Vick for his college coach. He has ties to Vick too. If McNabb and the Eagles have faith in him, along with Dungy, don’t you think he deserves a fair shake from any team?
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have no idea what the Eagles saw in him, nor do we know their motives.
When evaluating Vick as a potential QB prospect for the Hawks, all you can look at is his ability to play QB in the NFL. His play on the field has been covered pretty well already in this thread.
by abender20 on Nov 12, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
simply, the Eagles' motives behind the signing were to aid
in his return to the NFL. I can’t find the article now but when I do I will post it.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here is the article.
I never knew the Bengals were interested in him first.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have no idea what the Eagles saw in him, nor do we really know their motives.
That’s the entire point.
by abender20 on Nov 12, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the article explained it
but i guess not. It was about second chances, period.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The article didn't explain anything.
The second chances mantra was the public justification given for the media/social aspects of Vick’s signing. That is not a football reason and has nothing to do with why they signed him. The Eagles are not a halfway house, and it is not their job to take every rehabilitated criminal.
by abender20 on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
read the quotes from McNabb and Andy Reed.
jesus, do you just want to be on the opposition or what?
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dungy is far from irrelevant.
If he was, Mike Vick would NOT be in the NFL today. Tony Dungy is incredibly valued by a lot of people in high places due to his intellect, compassion, and moral compass.
And with regard to Vick, hate to break it to you, but people change regardless of top notch modifiers such as “pure and simple.”
Vick made mistakes, but he’s taken steps to rectify past errors. Honestly, I think it’s time we move past the dog thing. It just isn’t that relevant anymore. And if someone wants to cancel their season tickets for the Eagles (or whatever team he plays for next) because of past ills, fine. It’s their prerogative. But it is also an unforgiving and reactionary decision, when forgiveness, redemption and forward progress are so tangibly there for the taking. But, so be it.
However, that’s neither here nor there as far as his ability to play in the NFL. You’ll notice I’m not really contending with anyone’s argument that he probably isn’t a good NFL option anymore. I’m just saying he A) was once B) has certainly appeared in all that I’ve seen of him, to have changed for the better as a person by taking conscientious steps to do so.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 11, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for reiderating my point.
besides all that I would think it would be more of an option for the Seacat offense if Vick came here.
Keep Seneca, sign Vick and run Double QB sets on and off all game.
If you have two guys that can run and throw decently than you have a dynamic no other team has.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a little ambiguous with that.
I am not advocating for them to get him, but I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite as much fun as the two-kicker trick play, but it'd be interesting.
by thebyron on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hell we could put John Ryan in there in wildcat and let him throw it....
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vick recently said that he doesn't like the wildcat role
I think it was in an interview during the Sunday Night game.
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by ninjasocks on Nov 11, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct, but I don't think he has anything against the wildcat
Just said that he sees himself as a starting QB not a wildcat specialist. Even though Vick has been a crummy passer in the pros, he does have a mountain of talent and its easy to see how he could feel that way.
Seattle already has a wildcat specialist, so I don’ t think they bring him here in the same capacity that he is currently at in Philly.
by kearly on Nov 11, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did notice him kind of dogging it when he was on the field, maybe that was a testimone to how he feels about his role.
no pun intended.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except Vick has said that he doesn't want to be a Wildcat specialist.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here
“I won’t be a Wildcat guy. I can’t,” Vick told NBC. “It’s a different style of play. It’s almost like a hit-or-miss type of thing. My position is quarterback. That’s what I was born to do.”
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vick was never "good"
He was game manager that could run and had a fit anytime the offense got to “complex”
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can you define fit?
did he show this on game film or something?
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here
“My perception of the West Coast thing is starting to change too,” he told the paper. "We’re not doing what I see Seattle doing or San Francisco doing or Green Bay doing. We’re not doing those things. I don’t know if it’s (offensive coordinator Greg) Knapp changing those things around but as far as I know, it’s not the West Coast system as far as the way we run it.
“We’re not dinking and dunking the way it’s supposed to be done. It may be hurting me. It may be hurting the offense.”
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/11260203/
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This after being all excited to work in the west coast offense.
He failed to make the reads and when it showed he blamed everyone but himself.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is more of him being use to what Knapp ran in ATL.
I hardly see that as throwing a fit, but I digress.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's are offensive coordinator?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Knapp,
well I guess that was about the time that Knapp’s play calling started to suck.
I never read the article I was going off what you copied.
I stand corrected.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vick was super athletic and can throw the ball a long ways (Not always accurately)
Could some team in the NFL make better use of him then the Eagles. Possibly.
Would it be the Seahawks – Probably Not.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
based on the assumption that he sucks, or what?
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on his connections with the Hawks not being good ones.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I here that
but it was Mora getting fired over Vick right?
Who do you think was probably a driving force in the situation?
Ruskell maybe.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was more Blank the owner
Because of how big Vick’s contract was.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You probably right
Wasn’t Ruskell the assistant GM when they drafted him?
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No he was still with the bucs.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh that's right
He was there when he signed that huge deal though. What was that total deal worth? like 6 years 100 million or something like that.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was like 134 million with 38 guaranteed.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 12, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just looked, it was 130 Mill with 37 Mill guaranteed
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_3_107/ai_n9771537/
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have a game manager who could electrify with his running ability
than one that can’t do that or really pass…
He was “good” the same way Julius Jones is “good.” Not great and not bad. Here were the top60 qb’s that year according to my keeper league’s fantasy stats. Obviously I don’t believe he was the 2nd best QB in the league, but when you say he was never “good” you may use a higher bar than do I. I say he would have been my choice ahead of all but AT MOST 10 of these guys, in 2005. Now? Not so much. But back then his capability may never have reached his ability, but it was still better than most. That, to me, is “good.” The problem is, he was packaged as “great” and never came close to that moniker.
Brady, Tom NEP QB
Vick, Michael ATL QB
Manning, Peyton IND QB
Manning, Eli NYG QB
Brees, Drew NOS QB
Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB
Delhomme, Jake CAR QB
Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB
Favre, Brett GBP QB
Collins, Kerry FA QB
Plummer, Jake DEN QB
Brunell, Mark WAS QB
Green, Trent KCC QB
McNair, Steve TEN QB
Brooks, Aaron OAK QB
Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB
Frerotte, Gus STL QB
Carr, David HOU QB
McNabb, Donovan PHI QB
Leftwich, Byron JAC QB
Warner, Kurt ARI QB
Bulger, Marc STL QB
Dilfer, Trent CLE QB
Harrington, Joey DET QB
Boller, Kyle BAL QB
Johnson, Brad MIN QB
Simms, Chris TBB QB
McCown, Josh DET QB
Garrard, David JAC QB
Holcomb, Kelly BUF QB
Culpepper, Daunte MIA QB
Orton, Kyle CHI QB
McMahon, Mike MIN QB
Losman, J.P. BUF QB
Bollinger, Brooks NYJ QB
Wright, Anthony BAL QB
Fitzpatrick, Ryan STL QB
Griese, Brian FA QB
Martin, Jamie STL QB
Frye, Charlie CLE QB
Garcia, Jeff PHI QB
Testaverde, Vinny NYJ QB
Rattay, Tim TBB QB
Schaub, Matt ATL QB
Rosenfels, Sage HOU QB
Smith, Alex SFO QB
Volek, Billy TEN QB
Bouman, Todd NOS QB
Pennington, Chad NYJ QB
Sorgi, Jim IND QB
Maddox, Tommy FA QB
Batch, Charlie PIT QB
Dorsey, Ken SFO QB
Cassel, Matt NEP QB
Gray, Quinn JAC QB
Ramsey, Patrick NYJ QB
Van Pelt, Bradlee DEN QB
Grossman, Rex CHI QB
Tuiasosopo, Marques OAK QB
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 11, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your seriously using fantasy stats?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
C'mon man, don't miss my point. Not at all!
It was just the only place I could come up with 60 QB’s from 2005 quickly and easily.
You can rearrange the order any way you want. My point is that when I look at that list, in 2005, there are no more than 10 guys I would pick to lead my team to the SB ahead of Mike Vick. That’s all.
I’d say there are at any time 2-6 great players at a position, 4-10 excellent/really good players, 10 good players, and a whole lot of filler. He would be in the “good” grouping. That’s all…
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering all fantasy scoring systems are built differently and most favor running stats.
I can see him placing high. But it doesn’t make it accurate.
According to his 2005 DVOA he was a -10.7%
Look at the guys he is behind.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2005
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus look at 2004.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Each one of these guys finished better then him. Its hard to say he is a top 10 guy.
P.Manning
C.Palmer
T.Brady
M.Hasselbeck
T.Green
J.Plummer
B.Roethlisberger
D.Brees
E.Manning
B.Favre
J.Delhomme
B.Leftwich
S.McNair
M.Brunell
D.McNabb
M.Bulger
K.Warner
D.Bledsoe
B.Johnson
K.Collins
D.Garrard
C.Simms
J.Martin
A.Brooks
T.Dilfer
J.McCown
G.Frerotte
K.Boller
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I would've taken him over these guys.
C.Simms
J.Martin
A.Brooks
T.Dilfer
J.McCown
G.Frerotte
K.Boller
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a fever?
You’re not talking right.
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by ninjasocks on Nov 11, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
21 ahead of him?!?
If you are really going to tell me you would have picked that many QB’s over Mike Vick in 2005 because of DVOA, not knowing the future would bring dogfighting, I call bullshit.
So you are basically saying he’s the 21st QB you would have chosen that year. Stats are good and well, but the day they make you put 21 guys in front of him in 2005 going into the season you really are stretching the different between the logic and practicality of stats and the reality of running/starting an NFL franchise.
I said there weren’t more than 10 guys on that list I would take ahead of him. Several of the guys on the top of your list are guys like Big Ben, who was still a questionable start, albeit surrounded by a great team, or guys like Bledsoe, far and away running on fumes.
I find your hindsight reflection to be a misrepresentation of where Vick stood in the eyes of the world in 2005.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 11, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"In the eyes of the world"
That statement just proves how overrated he was. Look how bad he was in 2004. If I’m going into 2005 I’m trying to figure out how to get Matt Schaub in the starting lineup.
Big Ben won the Superbowl that year or did you block that memory out? Bledsole at least knew how to run a offense.
From the day Mike Vick was brought into this league I thought he was overrated and there is nothing to prove that wrong.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 12, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DAMMIT
Big Ben did not win the Super Bowl in ’05. His team won it in spite of him. (Obligatory swipe at the refs.) Ben was 9 of 21 for 123 yards with two picks.
by thebyron on Nov 12, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the single worst performance recorded by a SB winning Qb in history.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what he said.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is not one starting QB in this league I would take Vick over right now.
Except Jamarcus Russell.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe that's why you're not a GM
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I better retract my resume.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I wouldn't either.
But my gripe has never been with the current situation. My gripe is that he was at minimum “good” in 2005.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no point in us signing Vick.
by DetectiveM on Nov 11, 2009 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It would sell tickets, and put us on ESPN.
by LantermanC on Nov 11, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I measure the success of my team by how many times Neil Everett talks about them.
by abender20 on Nov 11, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is Neil Everett?
Is he an ESPN guy now? I haven’t watched since Patrick, Olbermann, and Kilborn.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 11, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I took DetectiveM's statement literally.
So I made two points for signing Vick, both profit driven.
by LantermanC on Nov 11, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to sell tickets?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we will need to if this team tanks.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The season sold out in 3 mins after a 4-12 season.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a little longer than that
In 2008 I couldn’t get a single-game ticket to save my life while working my phone and two computers. This year I had at least an hour or two to make my decision.
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by ninjasocks on Nov 11, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah 3 minutes is a little exagerated.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops - I was thinking of buying tickets for 2008 season.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, everyone wanted to see Holmgren win the SB in his last year
so I can see why they sold out so fast in 08.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Increase demand which would increase ticket prices.
by LantermanC on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would Vick actually increase demand?
I think anyone that pays attention realizes he isn’t very good.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure. I just think he'd be popular with casual fans.
Michael Vick Experience and all that.
Sort of like Shaq or Griffey would help an NBA or MLB team sell tickets, despite not being very good anymore. They’re big names.
by LantermanC on Nov 11, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Vick big name has negativity attached to it.
And unlike Shaq and Griffery – Vick wasn’t that big of a superstar. No one ever said he was the best.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but he had the most hype. Wasn't he the highest paid football player?
Also I believe Nike might have also paid him the most out of all football players before, which speaks for his marketability.
I don’t know, how is TO doing in Buffalo? I think that would be a good comparison. Not too great I believe.
by LantermanC on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to say Vick wasn't that big of a superstar is undermining.
The man garnered national attention every time he set foot on a field from the day he was drafted and beyond.
can you really say he wasn’t a big time superstar?
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also garnered attention as Ron Mexico.
Not all PR is good PR.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tell that to Lindsey Lohan and Britney Spears and thier "not so camera shy" beavers.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude what?
I can’t make a comedic remark?
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And what have Lohan and Spears done lately?
Indeed, not all PR is good PR.
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by Benne on Nov 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna happen..
The basic story about what happened to Mora in ATL is: They had to choose between Vick and Mora and they chose Vick.
Vick is also not a good QB.
by michaelfox99 on Nov 11, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus christ I thought we were over this
Between this and the never ending Holmgren crap why I could just scream and maybe pull a hair out
by B.B.Finnegan on Nov 11, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
calm down
this question hasn’t been really raised since the beginning of the Season.
Vick may not be great but I wouldn’t say he isn’t good.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
Vick isn’t coming to Seattle.
Holmgren isn’t coming back.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 11, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is ridiculous. A hearty no.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
by SSreporters on Nov 11, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He could be the cheap, experienced, underrated place-holding QB that John has been suggesting
I don’t want him here, but I don’t think he would have any less success than Campbell/Orton/Grossman/Garcia in the same role.
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by ninjasocks on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Those 4 are all more accurate then Vick.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how much more accurate Campbell is than Vick
John is right, Vick is 30 next year and he has missed the last two seasons.
John, maybe that’s why he looks bad as an Eagle. It’s not like he gets a lot of playing time either. That might change if he got a starting gig.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The odds of Vick being better than Seneca Wallace are pretty low.
I don’t want Seneca Wallace to be our starting QB.
by abender20 on Nov 11, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He'll be 30 next season, his redeeming tool is speed, he hasn't played competitively in years and he's looked bad as an Eagle
I think Vick better be happy with what the NFL gives him, because if he wants to start, there’s a UFL contract in his future.
by John Morgan on Nov 11, 2009 11:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Has Vick done ANYTHING in Philly yet?
by aerozeppelin on Nov 11, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
made a couple of throws and runs out of a weak ass wildcat
not gonna really get a shot to show what he can do with Philly. Andy Reed is like Holmgren is, set in his ways, so Vick will get limited chances to perform.
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by durteehawk on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which begs the question
Why did Philly hire him? Did they have a plan in mind to utilize his skills (and were those skills rustier than they perhaps thought)? Or did they simply have the roster room and the inclination to trade him in the post-season?
by Buster! on Nov 11, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because Tony Dungy jerked someone off.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 11, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was because Donovan McNabb
he convinced Andy Reed and the FO to sign him in order to help him get acclimated to the NFL again. That is why they set up the second year option in his deal.
I think they were more focused on getting him started back on the right path. Who better to help with that than Andy Reed and McNabb, two well respected men in this league.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Seahawks signed Vick
I would campaign for the firing of everyone involved.
I dont care what Dungy did or said, I dont care that he ‘served his time’, some crimes make you a despicable piece of crap even if you are sorry later, and torturing dogs is one of those crimes.
What shocks me is that there was gambling involved and that’s been glossed over.
by Strictnine on Nov 11, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You and everyone that camps outside of Eagles games with signs protesting Vick
are wasting your time. The decision wouldn’t be up to you or the fans and if Seattle was to sign Vick, NONE of the petitions you got people to sign or all the protesting would stop it.
That’s what I find funny about people who protest. Most of the time it does nothing, and often leads to violence or malicious mischief. Remember the WTO riots, thanks to people like you a lot of people got hurt and tons of property damage was caused.
I am not saying you would do those things but usually protests get out of hand. If they don’t then you don’t have enough people to get your point accross anyway. Protesting seems futile in any case involving Vick signing an NFL contract.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know where you were going with the gambling thing but I don't think Vick was involved in any gambling.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not buying tickets is a pretty good way to protest.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how many people you going to get to go along with that?
Be Realistic.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying I would convince people to not buy tickets.
But if Vick becomes a Seahawk, I will not continue to be a season ticket holder. I can’t be the only person who feels that way.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Nov 12, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is ludicris to me. To think that you would give up season tickets because
they signed a questionable player. WTF? You seriously feel that passionate about this man and the MISTAKES he made?
I can’t even fathom that logic. It’s not like he would be your dog sitter, he would be playing football.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mistakes?
It’s not like he accidentally picked a dog up and slammed it into the ground until it died. He didn’t go, “Whoops, didn’t mean to throw that dog into the swimming pool while jumper cables are running electricity into it.”
It won’t happen; the ‘Hawks won’t bring him here, but if they did I wouldn’t be surprised about any and all outrage that erupted.
by thebyron on Nov 12, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, did you know Leonard Little is going to be a free agent after the season...
maybe we should sign him?
I say that facetiously, but I would love to see a team courting both of them at the same time, just to see who people are more outraged about. I have a sad suspicion people would be far more upset about Vick.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 12, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Killed a woman while driving drunk.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Nov 12, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't DeAngelo Hall do the same thing to a man?
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno!
The only thing on Hall’s wiki page is that his pit bulls attacked some people.
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by Phildopip on Nov 12, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dante Stallworth
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so....
You thinking of Dante Stallworth, by chance?
by thebyron on Nov 12, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, above.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DeAngelo Hall was in that scuffle with the Texans head coach on Sunday.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
correction....Falcons
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also spent less time in jail than did Vick.
From wiki: “After leaving a birthday party in 1998, Little crashed into and killed Susan Gutweiler in St. Louis, Missouri. When tested, his blood alcohol level measured 0.19 percent, a level in excess of the statutory level of intoxication (0.08) in the state of Missouri. Little received 90 days in jail, four years probation and 1,000 hours of community service.”
Also, a pretty significant “kicker” is that he got arrested at 4am 6 years later while drunk, but got off on technicalities.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 12, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably too into politics, but I see punishment mainly as a deterrant
for others to do an action, assuming that the person is immediately sorry for their actions. Which is why I’m fine with lenient sentences at times because punishing someone doesn’t always have any real effect on the person. However it looks as though in this case he was not really that sorry and his punishment was not nearly lengthy enough.
by LantermanC on Nov 12, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for Vick or Little?
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Little, if he was caught again for drunk driving.
by LantermanC on Nov 12, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was caught again.
abender20 hates freedom.
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Little
Six years after the accident, in 2004, Little was again arrested for drunk driving and speeding, but the field-test results for blood-alcohol level were faulty and he refused a second test at the police station. He was ultimately acquitted of driving while intoxicated and convicted of the misdemeanor speeding charge
abender20 hates freedom.
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 12, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to give my money to a team, which in turn gives that money to the player who tortured dogs.
Yes, I do feel that passionate about this man and the CHOICES he made.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I don't want to give my money to a team that gives that money to crappy football players.
by abender20 on Nov 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
reality check time
the Seahawks already do that. Hill, Kerney, Branch, etc…
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
always hurt, hasn't impressed past his first two seasons.
Hill isn’t great in coverage and he can’t blitz worth beans.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
..
“he can’t blitz worth beans.”
What!?
by redwolf75 on Nov 12, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, when was the last time you saw Hill get pressure from blitzing?
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When is the last time you've seen the team
blitz Hill?
by redwolf75 on Nov 12, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zuh?
Hill’s ability to blitz has been what sets him apart. His ability to cover has been the issue.
by BrianL on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you might want to take another look at his contract.
It’s a contract that’s very fair to the Seahawks.
by BrianL on Nov 12, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Durtee says he can't cover or blitz.
And after his rookie season, I guess you could make a case for that.
by LantermanC on Nov 12, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a pretty good blitzer in 06-08, but the Hawks used Peterson more on blitzes.
SEA!
by MFAN on Nov 12, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree completely.
Looking at his stat total to make that argument is asinine. He just hasn’t been given opportunities to blitz.
by redwolf75 on Nov 12, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
choices
Everything we do in our daily life revolves around Choice. We choose to type comments about football, we choose to put our socks on before pants or vise versa.
It was his choices that got him into trouble, bankruptcy court and Prison. I don’t know if anyone here has been to prison, I’m not saying I have, prison is no joke.
you can be as passionate as you want about any given subject, that is your choice.
Why does everyone seem to think this man doesn’t deserve a second chance.
Isn’t the world grossly overpopulated with dogs? Most people despise pitbulls as a breed anyway.
I bet that 50% or more of the people that protest Vick wouldn’t own a pitbull because they are too risky of a breed.
Pit Bulls are one of the smartest, loyal, and gentle breed of dog there is.
There are no bad breed just bad owners.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was a ramble/rant.
I agree that people should be given second chances, but I also agree that if you can’t find it in your heart to forgive, you don’t have to, just as long as you don’t deny a man his right to live and provide for himself.
As for your… justifications about dog fighting, I wouldn’t own a pit bull, but I wouldn’t want to see one killed. I’m fine with preventing more pit bulls being born, but not fine with exterminating them once they’re alive as if that zero sum action didn’t mean anything. If someone owned a pit bull breeding farm so he could strangle all the puppies to death, the world wouldn’t really be any different since a dog is born a dog is died, no real end result, but I still want that guy prosecuted to the full extent of the law. One could argue that the world is grossly overpopulated with humans and go on a killing spree, it wouldn’t be a justification or a reason that would have any weight if I were the judge though.
by LantermanC on Nov 12, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well that is a given.
I just don’t understand the logic some people have. Not saying you either.
I have a friend that has a pitbull and she is so gentle with my 16 month old daughter, and there are people who think pitbulls are ruthless killers. That same group of people protest Vick’s presence in the NFL when they wouldn’t even own the type of dogs they were breeding and killing.
Of the 49 pit bulls animal behavior experts evaluated in the fall, only one was deemed too vicious to warrant saving and was euthanized. (Another was euthanized because it was sick and in pain.)
but only 25 of them have been adopted. So these people are against the breed as well. That is the kind of thing that makes me upset when people say he shouldn’t be in the NFL, or free to roam the streets.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
forgot the link
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree. Pit Bulls for the most part are very loyal and loving dogs, however
if 1% of them have random episodes of being dangerous, then this could be deemed too high of a risk. 1% doesn’t sound high, but it’s the context. Would you fly on an airplane that had a 1% chance of engine failure? Would you have company over or take your dog to the dog park if your dog had a 1% chance of chewing a hand or ear off?
Of course there’s the whole argument that violent/low class people tend to own pit bulls, and that is what causes or contributes to their aggressions, a theory I agree with, but the fact that they are breed for aggression and fighting and have that locked jaw mechanism makes me wary of having them as a common breed. Also, Dobermans and Rottweilers are similar, but don’t seem to get nearly the bad reputation.
by LantermanC on Nov 12, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty vague
There are no such things as random episodes of being dangerous. Mutts are statistically more prone to random attacks than Pitbulls.
I would fly on a plane that has 1% chance of engine failure, I’m sure most of the planes flying right now have greater than 1% chance of engine failure.
I take my Mutt to the dog park and she attacks every dog she can so the argument that Pitbulls are just more dangerous is ignorant.
The fact that all these gangsta wanna be asshats own these dogs and purposely bulk them up in case of a fight gives them a bad rap.
Pitbulls are so stereotyped as dangerous or high risk breeds that many people who own rental property won’t rent to pitbull owners because they have this preconceived notion that they are violent.
The lock jaw thing is hereditary and can’t be changed.
I have had two Dobermans that were more prone to “random episodes” than any of the pits I have owned.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I jsut re-read that and it seems choppy
I will do better to make the comments flow. Sorry all.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of points to contend.
If most planes had a 1% chance of engine failure, then there would be over 100 cases of engine failure per day. Unless you just meant over the life of an airplane, I meant per flight.
You dog may attack other dogs, but that is play fighting. I’m talking about instances where medical bills need to be paid. A dog wrestling around with another dog is no different than a kids playing tag.
The lock jaw thing is a thing that can’t be changed and makes them inherently dangerous along with a temperament that is more prone to violence (contentious point), so I would argue against putting pit bulls to sleep if they didn’t show any violent behavior, but I wouldn’t argue against a high percentage of pit bulls being spayed an neutered.
by LantermanC on Nov 12, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Planes have perhaps a .000001% chance of engine failure on each flight,
while I would not be surprised if >1% of pitbulls had some kind of violent episode of their course of their lives.
by redwolf75 on Nov 12, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what percentage of humans...
have had some kind of violent episode in the course of their lives? I’m guessing it’s likely rather higher than the pitbull numbers.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 12, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of the dogs fell in between the two extremes.
Not so far gone that they had to be euthanized, but not able to be re-socialized to the point that they could be adopted. (The article mentions that 22 were sent to an animal sanctuary.)
by thebyron on Nov 13, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a vet tech, I see these animals every day.
I would never own one, as I’m not much of a dog person, but the people who do strive to own these animals are the problem. Pit Bulls are one of the most over-bred (if not THE most over-bred) dog in America. Shelters are full of them, thousands are euthanized every day yet people continue to buy them.
Some of the people are good dog owners and want the best for their pets. A large percentage want a “mean” dog so they will have something to guard their fabulous double-wide held valuables. They mutilate the dogs’ ears and tails, trying to make them look tough, refuse to have them spayed and neutered, and give them the minimum medical care.
The biggest problem is that a lot of these dogs are not socialized, and that spells trouble for any breed. I’ve had to deal with nasty dogs of all stripes, and every time I get scratched or bitten, I want to gouge out the owners eyes with a stick.
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by Wayward Llama on Nov 12, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The gambling is why he pled guilty.
The betting aspect is what would have allowed the government to charge him under RICO, which would have increased the sentences significantly. That threat convinced all of the defendants to reach plea bargain agreements.
by thebyron on Nov 12, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see.
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by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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