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David Hawthorne is Playing Big But Can He Play Correct?

At ends of the spectrum: D.D. Lewis is the elder linebacker that does his job and only that. David Hawthorne is the prospect flashing great potential, but struggling with fundamentals.

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At ends of the spectrum: D.D. Lewis is the elder linebacker that does his job and only that. David Hawthorne is the prospect flashing great potential, but struggling with fundamentals.

David Hawthorne has three sacks, five tackles for a loss and three interceptions in three starts. It's a line that has a few thousand Lofa Tatupu backers questioning their allegiances. Few want to say Hawthorne is better than Tatupu, but fewer still know how to prove otherwise. Hawthorne is active, making plays, making tackles, forcing turnovers, and Tatupu is on IR, on IR in his get-healthy season. If Tatupu has been Tats of old in 2008, this discussion might be more muted, but Tats of old is starting to look like, well, a player that doesn't exist anymore.

If Hawthorne had accumulated his eye-popping stats over a season, it would have inspired heated Hawthorne versus Tatupu debate. Heater had to do it in four. So how are we going to do this? Should I make rules or just hand out handguns. Field Gulls is place as any to wage this war. Let's pick sides and tear each other apart.

Ok, but really: Hawthorne is a find, but he's miles away from Tatupu when it comes to fundamental linebacker play. I gave myself a short schedule and stumbled into the most boring tape dissection I've had since Seattle at Pittsburgh in 2007. It's hard to judge an offensive line when Matt Hasselbeck pitches a tent in the pocket. It's hard to evaluate the wide receivers when they are never targeted. It's hard to evaluate a defense that started strong and then sat back and awaited the next drive ending pick. One drive was instructive, and it spoke to this debate.

Nate Burleson had committed pass interference in the end zone and still managed to drop a gimme touchdown. Detroit was back on the field, hoping to stem the comeback or at least kill some clock. It did neither, but it was close to achieving both.

What matters is Hawthorne. Seattle's linebackers are synchronized and interdependent. When Leroy Hill gets a tackle, Tatupu might have jammed the fullback and Aaron Curry contained the cutback lane. The tackle is typically the easy byproduct of team execution. On the first snap, Hawthorne jumped back and out of position. He did exactly same on the next snap, perhaps anticipating pass. His linebackers in smash did their job, but Hawthorne was sealed out by bad anticipation and a poor angle to the ball carrier. He made both tackles, the first after seven, the second after eight.

Hawthorne took a bad angle on a toss right to Aaron Brown. He couldn't bluff his way back into the action this time and Jordan Babineaux cleaned up after 19. Hawthorne didn't stand out on the next play, but he was all to apparent on the interception. Seattle got excellent pressure from its front three, and thankfully for us, Patrick Kerney shielded Stafford's vision before Stafford chucked an interception to Deon Grant. Behind Kerney, wide open in the middle stood Casey Fitzsimmons, open, open where Hawthorne had failed to drop. As the camera panned to Grant running under the pick, it was obvious a better quarterback would have found Fitzsimmons for the first.

If you're the right age, you probably remember thinking Michael Boulware was a superstar safety in the waiting. He had that Babineaux knack to be where the action was. In two seasons he had nine interceptions, three forced fumbles, three sacks and a touchdown return. His play was noticeable, electric, and terrible. Boulware couldn't read a route or defend play action. He was around tips but not in throwing lanes, he was a good blitzer, but absent in deep cover. Seattle never mustered much of a pass defense with Boulware and when Ruskell deigned to remake the secondary, Boulware was shipped out, benched by the Texans and then run out of the league.

Hawthorne is auditioning for a starting role, be it at MLB in Seattle, OLB in Seattle or LB somewhere else. His highs are exciting and his lows too subtle for most fans. His weaknesses reading an offense are apparent, but he's young. He could improve his execution and awareness with experience, and soon combine what he already has, playmaker potential, with what he needs to start. But I beg, before we pit these two young linebackers in combat, let's be sure the apprentice is good and not just bumbling his way into big plays.

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Very minor,

but according to Danny O’Neil, a sack and forced fumble attributed to Pat Kerney in week six versus arizona is now attributed to Hawthorne.

http://www.nfl.com/players/davidhawthorne/profile?id=HAW758019

He now has 3.0 sacks and 2 FF.

by redwolf75 on Nov 11, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if you could comment on Hawthorne's "leadership" vs Tatupu's

When Tatupu plays, he organizes his defensive teammates and makes “audibles” at the line. How does Hawthorne, as the other guy with the radio, compare to Tats in this regard.

It seems as though Hawhorne is putting up great numbers compared to Tats but the defense isn’t necessarily playing up to its full potential. Obviously, as a young player, Hawthorne has some room to grow. I’m just wondering its an issue of experience or if its a quality that Tatupu is stronger in.

"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie

by ninjasocks on Nov 11, 2009 7:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The organization Tatupu brings is something I have missed this year

Even when he played in 2008/2009, my “subjective” eye has seen less “butt tapping” by Tatupu. Maybe I’ve just grown accustom to it, or changing schemes have removed his adjusting DL gap accountability.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 11, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do they give him the radio helmet, or does it go to someone else, other than the MLB?

For some reason, I thought it might go to Grant. I’m probably just confused.

by Misfit74 on Nov 11, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just assumed the MLB has it, but maybe not always

Here’s a link saying that Willis lost his radio to safety Dashon Goldson:
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2009/10/green-dot-goes.html

"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie

by ninjasocks on Nov 11, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I spent a solid (solid!) 5 minutes googling and couldn't find anything

Willis lost the radio because he was making crappy calls. The articles I’ve read about Hawthorne seem to praise his instincts. I think (speculate) that Hawthorne was given the headset by default and will only lose it if he screws up.

"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie

by ninjasocks on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His first start (Bears game?)

Tony Ventrella said he was making the calls and Tats was helping him on the sidelines.

by DJ C-Raig on Nov 11, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawthorne has the Green Dot

Found a pic from the Lions game.

I’m pretty sure Grant was the alternate last year, so he probably is again this season. But I read an article once saying coaches prefer the MLB to have it whenever possible. The reasoning was the MLB is usually in a central location, so if there’s a last minute call from the sideline, he’s in good position to communicate it. If it’s a S, they may be far away from the LOS, and can get caught out of position while running around trying to communicate the call.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Nov 12, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawthorne seems like a good student of the game

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/jerrybrewer/2010231201_brewer09.html

“Really, more than anything with David, it’s his work ethic,” coach Jim Mora said. “He really gets himself ready to play on Sundays. He’ll come out there sometimes on Wednesdays, and he’ll struggle a little bit with the calls, the things that we’re doing differently in the game plan, but he’ll go home and spend four or five hours on his own, studying film, getting in the playbook, working at his craft. By the time we kick it off on Sunday, he is ready to go.”

There was a lot of talk last year that Tats didn’t like the radio and that it hindered his instinctiveness. That may be true, but its just something that he’ll have to deal with and learn to use.

"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie

by ninjasocks on Nov 12, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawthorne makes the tackles when needed but he doesn't have the leadership or intelligence of Tatupu.

I absolutely love Hawthorne and Tatupu as well and my proposal is we have a mix of a
3-4/4-3 defense in the playbook. Hawthorne and Tatupu on the field at the same time will be intimidating.

by Seahawksfan23 on Nov 11, 2009 7:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It'd be interesting to see 3-4 with what we have

It’s not going to happen, but putting Tapp at OLB would be sick.

by aerozeppelin on Nov 12, 2009 1:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's get the two biggest NTs we can find.

We’ll run a 2-5 with Tapp-Curry-Lofa-Heater-Hill as our LBs!

by thebyron on Nov 12, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hey, i've never seen a 2-5

lets do it.

"What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap?"

by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

personally i think Tatupu has fallen off with his ability to read the offense

plus he seems like he might have bulked up too much over the past two years. Now he just seems to arm tackle everyone and even bounces of runners sometimes.

"What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap?"

by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with your assessment that Tatupu has fallen off with his ability to read the offense.

If you watch him, he’s almost always going in the right direction, and so are his teammates.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 13, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My tag-line says it all for me...

I honestly do believe in this philosophy.

Far too often we get caught up in looking at depth charts, and penciling names in as though we were playing Madden Football. In the video game, you can be reasonably sure that the name on the screen will perform like you would expect from the name on the screen. My feeling is that we (I certainly fall into this group at times) start penciling in expectations based on the names we see in the depth chart.

“Tatupu” = probowl quality MLB play…
“Kerney” = fearsome LDE sack artist…
“Hasselbeck” = Crafty, gutty veteran QB leadership.
Walt, Lock, Trufant, Hill, Lucas….

WERE SET!!!

Burley, Branch, Housh…. automatically equates to a formidable WR group after looking at the best characteristics in all of them. “Housh has caught 90+ passes (X many years in a row)…. Branch is a SB MVP, Burley is a solid #2 with tons of upside.” Not may look at a preseason depth chart and say… “Housh quits on plays, branch will get injured again, and Burley cant run a route to save his life”.

As a fan we all tend to be on the optimistic side (apologies to John who may be one of the most pessimistic & pragmatic SOB’s I have ever read).

Back to Tatupu. It becomes sacrilegious at times to bad mouth (maybe too strong a word)… to critique…. the play of our own teams icons. Tatupu has already been dubbed the face of our defense for the next 10 years, so our struggles “cannot be his responsibility”. I disagree with this mentality. Tatupu came in out of shape this year and had played far below probowl standards before getting injured. In fact, he may very well have been injured due to being somewhat out of shape. I believe the “dubbing” of him as the defensive franchise, may have been just the complacency needed for his form to drop.

Hawthorne, on the other hand, is a playmaker at this point. He appears to be the anti-Tatupu, in that Tatupu (at peak) was more of a yeoman’s linebacker. A rock. Hawthorne looks more dynamic than Tatupu (albeit less consistent).

I want Hawthorne to thrive. I would love a MLB controversy (if there is such a thing). It could be exactly what Tatupu needs to drive him to be what we all know his potential is.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Nov 12, 2009 12:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

After reading this again... I want to clarify

I wasn’t implying John was in the group that subscribes to this mentality. I was speaking about the collective that does.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Nov 12, 2009 1:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'd say Lofa was out of shape.

He got too big and it slowed him down but his size seemed to be intentionally added. I think he was still in great shape, just too big to use his strengths which have always been quickness. I don’t think it’s fair either to question whether Tatupu was driven or not this last season and a half.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 12, 2009 2:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure here....

In several years prior he didn’t just “bulk up” all of a sudden. Why this year? We know he had a big contract (an achilles heel for the motivation of many great athletes), and we know he was busted for DUI (out of character). To me these look like signs of a slight shift in habits possibly.

The emergence of Hawthorne however should drive Lofa to kick it into overdrive this off-season. I expect a new and improved All Pro MLB again.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Nov 12, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Comments like these make me glad to see you posting again.

I don’t know if I agree with everything. I wasn’t aware of Tatupu being out of shape, but I have noticed him being perhaps a bit too bulky for his own frame and perhaps a bit less mentally sharp (just speculation, but it seems like his instincts aren’t as sharp). I’m not sure about the anti-Tatupu thing either since I would think of the Anti-Tatupu as a Lavarr Arrington, not always aware of what’s going on, but super athletic and kind of a fragmented ‘playmaker’ with the other 10 sticking to their assignments.

by LantermanC on Nov 12, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose I should be careful when using charged words like "anti"

I guess what I was driving at was that Hawthorne appears more dynamic than Lofa in the proverbial “playmaking” sense. I certainly dont want to imply that Lofa wasn’t a game changer, but his value was always his consistent positioning and ability to read defenses, rather than the high flying, intercepting, ball stripping type of player David is (again…I am only talking about perceptions here).

As for being out of shape… I am attempting to connect the dots a little bit. Here are some facts we know:
1. Big Contract: Historically has led to drop-offs in production for even the games greats.
2. Lofa definitely looks “thicker”.
3. Busted for DUI. Out of Character. Could mean a shift in attitude. Could mean he was drinking more this off-season. Could be a coincidence.
4. Appeared slower to the ball than previous years.
5. Injury: Again could be a coincidence, or could mean out of shape (given he looks bulkier the latter wouldn’t shock me).

All these things combined do not prove anything of course… but if I were doing a comparative analysis of the potential reasons for his drop-off, I would more than likely put my money on being out of shape (relative to previous years).

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Nov 12, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you realize we have the healthiest roster in the NFL right now?

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 12, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's an attritional league people

I’m not sure why people insist on pitting a traditional starter versus a young backup. Linebackers get injured every single season. Having a guy with Hawthorne’s talent at his salary backing up is the best of all possible worlds.

He is cheap starter-quality depth. He may yet replace Lofa as a starter full-time, but can we NOT blow my high about the overall depth of our LB corps.

Yeesh.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 12, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's still very green.

David has a chance to carve out a roll on this team with Lofa out, but there are still 8 games left to get a little bit better reading on Hawthorne. I would say at this point he gives the Seahawks solid depth at LB (along with Herring and Lewis), but Lofa is a 3 time Pro-Bowler and when healthy a top 10 MLB in the NFL, David is not there yet. Lets see how Hawthorne plays out the rest of the year, and then we (or lets be real, the team) can decide if he should get a chance to challange Lofa (or Hill) for a starting roll on this team next year.

Also on the Boulware mention, I still can never figure out why no team looked at him as a LB after he fell off as a safety. He had the skill to still play in the NFL, he jsut wasn’t a great defender when it came to pass defense (as a safety). To bad I liked the guy, I just don’t think coaches knew what to do with him beacuse of his size.

by JustinWF on Nov 12, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

two questions

Tatupu “was” a 3 time pro bowler. The Tatupu of late has been spotty at best with his performances. In all of last year, or this year for that matter, can you remember Tatupu making any noticeable plays, or plays that changed the course of the game? I can’t.

Didn’t Boulware play LB in college and that is why they converted him to safety because he was fast but not big enough or strong enough to play LB in the pros?

"What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap?"

by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hum?

I would say your right about Lofa, and you can say that this is an excuse, but Lofa has not been “healthy” since 2007. I know guys are supposed to play through injuries but he has been injured since last preseason, so I don’t know if your getting the best Lofa (look how Ray Lewis was playing when he was hurt all the time a few years ago). I still think when he is healthy, you are getting a top 10 (maybe top 5) MLB. With that said, if he is never healthy you need to look for someone else that can stay healthy and that may be Hawthorne (if he can finish THIS YEAR strong).

As for Boulware, yea he played SSLB at Florida State, and when he was drafted the Hawks thought he would be a better SS (part-time LB) his rookie year. I still think the Hawks were so deadset on moving him to SS that they never really thought he could be a LB in the NFL. Size can be an issue, but ask guys like Zack Thomas and Lofa if size is the end all at LB. I thought Boulware could at minimum be a good backup LB in the right system. I just never really saw the guy as a SS (just not fast enough). He could have bulked up, but I just don’t think anyone could see him as a LB in the NFL. Who knows.

by JustinWF on Nov 12, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well that's what I was wondering.

If the Hawks never tried to convert him and he didn’t work here would he still get a gig in the NFL? I just don’t know. I can see why at the SS position but with linebacker there are so many variable to look at. If he couldn’t fit in our 4-3 maybe he was better suited for a 3-4.

I don’t know what Florida State runs so I can’t really speculate in depth.

"What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap?"

by durteehawk on Nov 12, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs


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