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Seattle Seahawks Wither; Fall 31 - 20 to the Arizona Cardinals

Greg Knapp achieved offense with surprise.

Matt York - AP

Greg Knapp achieved offense with surprise.

This was an heroic effort and exciting football. Arizona is pretty good this year. Standing at 6-3, the Cardinals should surpass ten wins. Seattle tore out to an early lead, but the defense crumbled against a sustained Arizona attack. Seattle was beat because it was the inferior football team. The Cards had thirteen meaningful drives and averaged 35.8 yards a drive.

There's a lot of game balls to give out, but first let's discuss some of Seattle's weaknesses. Sean Locklear looked a bit gimpy between snaps, so perhaps he is not fully healed. However Locklear is chipping away at his chance to stick at left tackle. Seattle faces an interesting dilemma with Lock. He could be a great right tackle in Greg Knapp's system, but even without the left tackle incentives, he is expensive for a right tackle. Seattle owns a fabulously cheap offensive line, so perhaps it could afford to pay Locklear well at right tackle.

Matt Hasselbeck had a hard game. Heroic is a great way to describe his play. A hero is someone that gets other people killed. Joss Whedon did not envision Hasselbeck's high pass to Deon Butler, but I did upon quoting him. There are many things Hasselbeck still does well. To build a good to elite offense around him, something Seattle would need to do to have a realistic chance at winning the Super Bowl, would require a massive investment. A more massive investment. Seattle has already sunk much of its cap into Beck, Walter Jones, Deion Branch and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The Objectivist is wonderfully free of Kyle Orton moments. Because Matt Hasselbeck can consistently make the right read and throw with accuracy, he can make an offense out of check downs. But it's a shit offense. And the second his reads are wrong or his accuracy flutters, it completely breaks down.

Seattle had very little chance to recover when it lost the lead. It does not have what Arizona has: A repeatable ability to gain big chunks of yards in one play. But it shouldn't have lost the lead. Seattle did exactly what it needed to: punch the Cardinals in the mouth early and force Warner to consistently face thick zones. The defense did not crumble because any one player played poorly, but because now it does not have a single great pass rusher. The defense Seattle wants to run needs someone to make Brandon Mebane's almost-snaply pistoning into the backfield and crushing the front of the pocket matter. It needs someone to keep the tight end away from Darryl Tapp. It needs a better edge rusher than Aaron Curry. It lacks that and it failed to sack Warner once.

Game Balls:

Justin Forsett: Kid showed up and declared his an NFL player. Force showed quick feet in his cuts, power in the hole and the less recognized ability to run under tackles and through smaller holes. I don't believe in a feature back. So I am not calling for Forsett to get the majority of the carries, but he is no longer a specialty back. Force is a first and ten, I-formation back.

ME!BANE!: Said. Done. Master of the midway.

Darryl Tapp: Tapp is hybrid end-linebacker. His ability against the run is that of a linebacker, but he's a pure edge-rushing defensive end. Keep this guy and enjoy how he ages.

Josh Wilson: Who would think Wilson would look like the best cover corner Seattle had today? Pistol isn't too good at that, actually, but small samples may contain outliers. He needs to be facing the quarterback to be his best and the game plan to man up the Cardinals defenders and hope they can buy the pass rush time stopped working in the second. Wilson recovered well, showed some man ability and kept overall his guy close, boosting his campaign for starting right corner. He wasn't great, but he was good at something he doesn't do and against the league's best wide receiver corps.

Greg Knapp: It took some balls to swallow your assumptions and let Forsett run real runs. He also called a very nice game. Early, Seattle attacked with a suddenly successful rush game, and punctuated their Two-Headed Freak with a mid-range aerial assault. He saved the screens for desperation time in the fourth. It's hard planning around an injury wracked quarterback with fading arm strength that plays behind a piecemeal line, but Knapp squeezes production out of this offense with a mix of good timing and good play calling.

That's it folks. Seattle is no longer in the hunt to win the division. If it keeps up this intensity, it will enter the Wild Card chase, but only in a fanboy sense. Field Gulls is switching gears again. Like last year, the tape review will now focus on players key to Seattle's future. This week: Sean Locklear at left tackle and Brandon Mebane at the three.

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Seahawks for life

Even though this game and season are :(

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Nov 15, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bradley really sucked this game

Vanilla can be effective but I counted 3 blitzes all game. The last one he ran was a delayed blitz that saw Fitz score the winning TD.

I’m proud of this team. They fought to the end and nearly pulled off the upset.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That pissed me off too.

The second half it became obvious that we needed better pressure on Warner, but he didn’t send heat….

by thebyron on Nov 15, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the D packages were pretty effective, but our DEs got beat too often.

I need to re-watch the game, but I thought Bradley’s defensive alignments were as effective against Warner as any team has been. The dime package made it rough on AZ’s receivers, but they made some great plays. Playing so much dime required our DEs to provide all the pass rush by themselves, but it made the coverages work.

What disappointed me the most is that Tapp, Kearney, and LoJack were all unable to get to Warner and hurry him often enough. That’s all that needed to happen, make Warner move his feet a little on third downs, and this might have been a different game.

We know Kearney isn’t likely to ever be what he was a couple years ago. LoJack is still likely improving and could be something special next year. Tapp? He should be in his prime in this, his fourth season, and I expected a little more out of him today. I think he could be more effective as an OLB in a 3-4 than he is at DE in our 4-3.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NE beat us to it.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 16, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He reminded me of John Marshall

John Marshall refused to blitz Kurt Warner last year and it cost us. Today Gus did the same thing and it cost us. Hopefully he’ll get it together and put more pressure on future QB’s we face.

by Seahawksfan23 on Nov 15, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Truth be told

I’m pretty happy with a lot of things I saw today (Not everything obviously, we lost). This was a team that rolled over the last time they played the Cardinals. They were competitive today, more competitive than they were earlier this season, and far more competitive than they were last season.

by BrianL on Nov 15, 2009 5:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was happy with our run-blocking

Forsett did very well today and he has a little bit of Chris Polk in him. Capable of bouncing off tacklers and making a small gain bigger.

He is like MoMo but better.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was much happier with our O line today

Last time we played AZ, we did NOT roll over, we simply had holes in the O line. Today, our improved O line was the big difference.

The defense today compared to the last AZ game was very similar. Last time they got burned on three drives early and then played tough the rest of the game. This time, our D played them tough the first half, and then got burned on three drives in the second half. Our D is maturing and becoming consistent, but no match for AZ’s passing attack.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Left side did not look too good.

Hass got sacked 4 times and had to rush many times. Unger was really mediocre today and made two dumb penalties. But the run-blocking was very solid.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True, but that's much much better than a few weeks ago.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is how I feel, also

Not much to be said. Pass rush was a problem, but I felt pretty good about our team. Just that this is about as good as they can be, and it’s clearly not enough against the slate of teams we’re facing. I’ve accepted it.

Has anyone else said anything about that crazy Houshmandzadeh end-zone catch attempt that was ruled incomplete? Did the official say it was incomplete because he was out of bounds, or because it touched the ground? The replay showed clearly it didn’t, the announcers said nothing, and I guess because it was 1st & goal at the 1, nobody had a problem with it, but I was thinking, why not challenge? We needed 2 scores so needed all the time on the clock we could get. Shouldn’t we have gotten that TD?

by jacobstevens on Nov 16, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that happened when we were tied at 17.

And TJ body, including where his butt was sitting, was out of bounds.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 16, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fearless just provided me a new sig via the Cards blog game thread

“Aaron Curry is the worst pick since Lamar King.”

Normally these quotes don’t bother me since it’s one Seahawk fan, but he’s absolutely misrepresenting Seahawks fans and Field Gulls alike.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Eh, he's banned here.

He’s not a representation of Field Gulls anymore.

by BrianL on Nov 15, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hated the Curry pick every bit as much as he did

But I know not to beat a dead horse.

FF wasn’t banned because of an opinion. He was banned because he wouldn’t drop the subject and was obsessed with bringing it to attention.

I’ve noticed that most people that get banned are for behavior reasons almost exclusively.

by kearly on Nov 15, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bummer.

Guy just can’t let anything go…

Although maybe we should give him some credit for being unrepentant in his anti-Curryism. There’s something to be said for being obliviously dedicated to your beliefs, regardless of rhyme or reason.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 16, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From my limited perspective

I strongly got the impression that his persistence stemmed in large part from a rather widespread and unreasonable lack of acknowledgement of the credence of his views on Curry.

And I wonder if he’d received any of any substance, whether the extent of his deadshorsebeating would have been dramatically mitigated. Personally I disagreed with him, but I found a lot of credence in his arguments. He made some very valid points, and maybe they were respectfully rebutted within the first day or two after Draft Day 1, but very soon after, the bulk of the responses I saw were rather regulatory than anything that addressed the substance of his case.

So he should have dropped it. I can respect that. When the team was hurting for a tackle and anyone asserts that we had no real options and he contended we did, though, it seemed to me he had valid grounds for establishing, “this is one reason I didn’t like the Curry pick.” But the responses I saw were essentially to drop it again. As though he’d lost the privilege to discuss that matter, even contextually, again.

I’m not nearly as proficient a reader as he was a poster, so I qualify my perspective as limited, but that’s my impression. I also have more tact and discretion than he, but I know if I was treated as though I’d lost the privilege to discuss something like that here, because I had gone on too long about it in the past, it would definitely inspire me to exercise that right in defiance later. He was my favorite poster and I miss having him around.

by jacobstevens on Nov 16, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point.

I’m kinda embarrassed he’s doing the same thing on another team’s blog.

Fire Ruskell! Cut Chris Spencer! Aaron Curry sucks! It’s unbelievably bad.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just ignore it.

Doesn’t merit your time.

by redwolf75 on Nov 15, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly I think all perma-banned FGers

Should be signed by the Detroit Lions blog.

They already have what seems like 20 of our ex-players. Continue it with FG guys!

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I see your point.

I took questions from them when we played them two weeks ago and one of their main writers Aaron Novinger asked me about Nick Reed. He said Reed was one of his favorite college players.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I expect more from Curry.

Too many missed tackles and too few tackles overall. I get that he’s a rookie, but I wonder where he was in this game.

by Misfit74 on Nov 15, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is 2nd on the team in tackles.

I know tackles can be overrated, but someone does have to make them. He’s got a couple sacks, I do want to see more, but he has done a lot of good things and will hopefully improve. I’m hoping Curry comes alive in the 2nd of the season.

SEA!

by MFAN on Nov 15, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2nd in tackles on the team.

He’s going to have these games. I’m not sure he was bad but he wasn’t a major factor. He did make some plays though in run support.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the reasons he wasn't a major factor was the game plan

He was on the sidelines pretty often during our dime sets.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Nov 15, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On some playes, Curry was out while Milloy was in.

and Milloy played well.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't notice him all game except a few missed tackes.

But I didn’t notice any of our linebackers except the big goal line stop by Hill.

by LantermanC on Nov 15, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why even bother going to other blogs?

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

by Wayward Llama on Nov 15, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would have been nice to see Bradley make some adjustments

Once the Cards got comfortable with the 3 down lineman look, they just picked the zones apart. It generally seems that the one way to beat Warner is to get to him often, and we barely made an effort as he got more and more comfortable in the pocket. As you stated, John, we lacked the men to execute the defensive philosophy and the coaches have to be aware of that. Patrick Kerney was friggin’ terrible. Consistenly left one-on-one against Levi Brown and unable to get a whiff of Warner. He is pretty much done.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Nov 15, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Still, it was fun to watch an entertaining football game.

The Hawks aren’t as bad as last year, not quite a playoff team either.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Nov 15, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Something like that tells me Bradley has no confidence in the secondary to play

Adequate man-to-man coverage. I don’t blame him but still that won’t be an issue if you hassle Warner.

Fire Bruce DeHaven.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No secondary can cover for as long as we were consistently giving Warner.

But I think you may be right in regards to Bradley.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Nov 15, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saddened by Ken Lucas' play lately

Lucas has been playing soft. Much softer than his younger years. I’m not sure if the neck stinger had something to do with that lately.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's just getting old.

His body can’t take as much anymore, and he knows it.

by redwolf75 on Nov 15, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he's 30, just 2 years older than Trufant.

We had better find another young tall CB in the offseason.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Haden says hello.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

They forgot El-ahrairah, for what use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

by Wayward Llama on Nov 15, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another game ball to Rankin

The kid was good.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My problem with the defense

We seem to be out thinking ourselves desperate for that confusing instantaneous sack instead of just letting guys play from a specific 3 rotation set I’ve seen 7 different line rotations that only seem to ruin any chance of chemistry with the defensive pass rush

The only d-line package that got pressure on back to back plays was Redding at 3-tech and Jackson next to him at LDE but yeah, let’s take jackson out of where he clearly excelled early and start lining him up left and sometimes inside, just because.

When Ray Rhodes was constructing the defensive line rotations he had 2 real packages with some spot substitutions, but rarely did guys go from 3 tech to nose or left to right, if you started somewhere other than a spot down you played there 98% of your snaps.

by Krazyleggs on Nov 15, 2009 6:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

huh?

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm refering to the 7 different front four combos I saw on the field

it’s working so well for us building continuity on pass rush, what could an 8th formation hurt?

by Krazyleggs on Nov 15, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it likely helps keep the offense off balance a bit.

I’m not sure why you don’t like the different looks on defense. I like it.

Not that it was enough, it wasn’t enough, obviously. But I think what has been demonstrated over the past few games is that we don’t have great pass rushing DEs. Kearney, LoJack, and Tapp aren’t going to beat O linemen play after play, so Bradley mixes up the looks a lot, and once in a while the DEs draw a mismatch and get into the backfield. I like the approach myself.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it likely helps keep the offense off balance a bit.

I’m not sure why you don’t like the different looks on defense. I like it.

Not that it was enough, it wasn’t enough, obviously. But I think what has been demonstrated over the past few games is that we don’t have great pass rushing DEs. Kearney, LoJack, and Tapp aren’t going to beat O linemen play after play, so Bradley mixes up the looks a lot, and once in a while the DEs draw a mismatch and get into the backfield. I like the approach myself.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, because 3 years of this "Mixing for a mismatch" has worked.

When Seattle generated 96 sacks in 2005 and 2006 they used only 2 sets of line combos to play 95 percent of the snaps with some spot substitutions but as I said earlier, no one that played one position switched to another to “Surprise” the defense. They developed chemistry on pass rushing downs much like an O-line can pick up defensive pressure by nature of having played the same positions over and over. I’m all for subing for tiredness. A player develops techniques, or improves by playing the same position over and over, learning to read his opponent over the course of a game, looking for a tell or subtle move that gives him an edge. Keep switching him around and he never settles to a mental point where he can be truly fully aggressive because he’s always reading formations and protections from different angles. It screws up rhythm for the sake of cute or special.

by Krazyleggs on Nov 15, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sarcasm much?

I like mixing it up on D. I don’t think playing D is like playing on an O line where chemistry is everything. The Cards line has great chemistry after having played together every game for about two years running. Our D linemen were simply not good enough to beat that line.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Housh had 165 yards? Quietest 165 yards I've ever seen.;

Also, what the hell happened to Carlson. My one quibble with Knapp today is that he doesn’t use Carlson enough.

by LantermanC on Nov 15, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

As a Cardinals fan, that is more like how I expected the first game to be.

You guys played well. And even though we are division rivals, I think you guys have a good team [I don’t have any hatred for any of the other teams in the division].

Good luck with the rest of the season.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Nov 15, 2009 7:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well said, Cardinals dude.

Watching your offense come back against us methodically through the second half really gave me a lot of respect for the Cardinals. And your D stiffened and played tough with two starters out. I wasn’t too sure about the Cardinals last year, but this year I think they are a very solid team.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Nov 15, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I loved the Beanie pick when you guys made it,

and I love it even more now. To me, he’s like Darren McFadden, except at 1/10 of the price.

by LantermanC on Nov 15, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm amazed that he dropped down to #31.

With the talent he has, he should have been the first Running Back to get drafted IMO.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Nov 16, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't watch much college football

so I was SHOCKED by how huge Wells is. The guy has incredible talent.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Nov 16, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really.

He’s no Moreno, and had quite a few injuries in college. Plus coming from Ohio State, where his stats were inflated by playing against high-school level opposition.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

High School level competition? This from a Florida guy?

Charleston Southern
Troy (not the USC one)
Florida International

And in league—
@ Kentucky
Vanderbilt

I’m being kind here. There are a couple other SEC teams I don’t think highly of, however Florida is one of the worst contributors to the whole “Cupcake U” phenomenon in the nation, if not the worst. I’m saddened instead of the country holding Florida to a tougher standard, I see UW while fighting to regain national prominence now joining them in playing these waste of time games.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 16, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'd love to see the patsy games go by the wayside.

I’d also love to see the BCS disbanded. But the Big Ten is likely the softest of all of the conferences, and for all the money OSU pumps into their football program, it’s a no-brainer that they dominate it every year. Out of the entire conference, the only teams that should challenge them in any way are Michigan and Wisconsin.

Kentucky is up and down, but I would stick Vandy in the Big Ten and watch them dominate.

I would love to see a playoff system. Nothing made me angrier last year than the Utah fans wailing that they were the real National Champions, because they were undefeated. I would have paid good money to watch Florida soundly embarrass them on national tv.

But let’s not get too carried away with the off-topicness, lest we get caned/kicked/banned.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 16, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. Both with your premise on Vandy, and that we could get banned for a minor subthread on an

already fading post.

Northwestern is pretty plucky these days, as a “doormat.” I don’t see Vandy pushing past them.
Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio State, all very solid. I’d like to see them line up in the SEC.

But, bottom line, all conferences are in my eyes weak sisters to the Pac-10 this year.

Oregon, Arizona, Stanford, Cal, USC, Oregon State all can play with anyone in the nation, and UCLA, UW and even ASU have their moments. Only Washington State is a worthless uncompetitive mess these days.

As far as your argument about Utah, you’re just gonna have to listen to it, it’s their right— unless of course, your Gators eliminate 3 gimmies a year away and start playing non-league games against real competition, preferably at home and away instead of just in the Swamp, which is in and of itself inherently unfair. Just playing a home and away against competitive mid-majors would push the argument into more tangible terms, even if that game isn’t against the exact team in question.

I hate it as much as you, but the BCS isn’t going anywhere, and a playoff isn’t happening. Until Creampuff U gets you penalty points instead of free wins, you get to hear Utah fans bitch, and you have no right to complain about it. The mid-majors are all welcoming the opportunity to play major conference players. Silence abounds on the other end of the line. So yeah, you just have to grin and take it. Unless, of course, your Gators play a “real” non-league schedule.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 16, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For a pure edge-rushing defensive end

Tapp gets few sacks. One sack in nine games? 16.5 sacks in 57 games? What is wrong here? Are we thinking he’s much more then what he is? I know you’re high on him John, but something just seems off. What am I missing? I’m beginning to have my doubts. His best year was 07, Kearney’s monster year, and Kearney drawing most of the attention. I’d like to see an audit of these defensive ends, because that seems to be our major weakness right now. We need some outside help.

by B.B.Finnegan on Nov 15, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We actually need inside help. good O-lines can spread the rush out

It nullifies outside rushers. Think of the games against the bears and Jags where the lines were pinned in by good up the middle rushes This gave the edge rushers good shots at sacks.

by Krazyleggs on Nov 15, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mebane seems to be doing a good job of that though

I do agree that outside of him, there’s little else. But then again, maybe you’re right, I don’t think Mebane doesn’t seems to being doing as good in his new role as 3tech. One sack as well for him. The entire line appears to be struggling when it comes to pass rush.

by B.B.Finnegan on Nov 15, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually thinking the opposite.

I’m thinking Seattle needs another DT to go with Mebane. I’m OK with the young edge rushers that Seattle has if they can find someone who can command double teams the way that Albert Haynesworth does. It would do wonders for Seattle’s defense.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Nov 15, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When they had inside talent at nose with tubbs or darby

The team excelled at pass rush with average but active lineman at the other positions. Bernard and Darby were underated in that respect in 2006. Now they just don’t get any pass rush push from those spots in enough time. They need a disruptor to hold the lines tighter so there’s more of an edge.

I’d like to see Tapp, Mebane, Redding, Jackson on pass rushing downs
If you have to use Cole, use him only on 1st downs and use Redding at two. Redding can be spelled on some passing downs by Terrill.

by Krazyleggs on Nov 15, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Any chance we could see a front page post reviewing Zone coverage?

Is there any hope it will work with this current team? Today’s defensive meltdown felt as much about scheme flaws than anything else.

by kearly on Nov 15, 2009 9:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think you need to remember that this despite being a 4-3

is a new type of defense for everyone with 3 or 4 key players learning positions they’ve not played at the pro level. Huge breakdowns are likely to happen against veteran offenses and despite what most people think, the cards are a veteran offense. that has been together for 2 and a half years of growth. With certain players starting to peak.

by Krazyleggs on Nov 15, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a good point, and I guess that factors

But even a zone defense with 11 veterans would utterly fail in coverage with the type of pass rush the Seahawks displayed today. From what I understand, zone seems to live and die by the pass rush a bit moreso than man cover does.

I also wonder if we have the right talent for zone. Wilson is a great zone CB because he is a good ball hawk who is better facing the QB, but what about Jennings, Lucas, or even Trufant?

I’ve seen a lot of negative comments about zone, including some by John Morgan. I was just hoping this could be explored in greater detail soon. We’ve had 9 games which is a decent enough sample size to start evaluating the scheme and if its working, and if its not, how close it is to working.

CB is a very realistic possibility to be addressed in the upcoming draft. Jennings may be nearing the end of his Seahawks career, and Lucas is over 30. I know its speculative, but if the zone is truly a disaster and is scrapped after this season, might that impact who the team targets in the draft at CB or S?

Anyway, I’m definitely not an expert and I think a post on this subject would be very awesome.

by kearly on Nov 16, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You always have the talent for zone

The maxim is man if you got em, zone if you don’t. Schematic issues with the zone coverage would mean clear holes are inherent, not just soft spots in between but a clear zone hole. Or too predictable, but that can be overstated. Aside from underneath zones being either an LB or a lineman, and the occasional switch between DBs, I don’t think zones are terribly deceptive or opaque. Execution goes a long way toward making predictability a non-issue.

by jacobstevens on Nov 17, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who was the guy that tried to crack Matt's throat?

I was at a friend’s house and couldn’t rewind, but I saw a play in the first half where a guy thrust his elbow into Matt’s throat after Matt was on the ground and the play was over. Matt grabbed his own neck as he got up, obviously in pain. It was a total cheap shot and a dirty play. The cameraman obviously saw it, as he focused in on it, but the stupid announcers totally ignored it. Did anyone else see this play? Whoever the defender was, he ought to get a big fine and be suspended. It was a terrible play, and anywhere but a football stadium that sort of crap gets you in jail.

by lordtd on Nov 15, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

what a total dick head

This was the dirtiest play I’ve seen in the NFL in several years. He should be suspended without pay for several games. It was an awful play, and any Arizona fans out there should be embarrassed. He put his elbow into Matts throat after the play was over, and put his weight into his throat. He’s a big dude, and it was a deliberate attempt to hurt another player. F**k that bastard, I will root against him in every game he plays for as long as he’s in the NFL.

I know it won’t happen, but the Cardinals ought to suspend him. There’s no excuse for that shit.

by lordtd on Nov 15, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see if the NFL does anything about it

If it were up to me, anybody caught doing stuff like that, as blatantly as he did, should be out of the league forever, not just a few games.

by Mr Fish on Nov 15, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

This is way worse than steroids, drug use, etc., carrying a gun, etc. It is a criminal act that took place DURING an NFL game. The NFL should respond accordingly. John, do you have video of that play? I’d love to see it posted so there can be outrage over it. This should be plastered all over the web.

by lordtd on Nov 16, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The cynical side of me

says his punishment, if any, won’t be any more than what Haynesworth got after he deliberately stepped on that guy’s head. A monetary fine, a few games suspension, followed by a big contract for the purportedly best DT in the league.

by Mr Fish on Nov 16, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It just makes me sick when that kind of thuggery gets no response beyond a slap on the wrist

But, if that’s the way the game is going to be played, I guess there’s not much we can do except tool up.

by Mr Fish on Nov 16, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to use an over-used saying but.

If Dockett had done that to Brady, Manning or any other media darling, it would’ve been on Sportscenter. Makes me sick.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 16, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brady and Favre ARE the media darlings.

Peyton still isn’t a media darling. He ain’t pretty enough…

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by whiskey chainsaw on Nov 16, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So I hear Coach Mora complained about Dockett today

… and he essentially agreed with my “tool up” comment by saying that if the league isn’t going to fine players for doing that kind of stuff, or if the refs aren’t going to call it, he wants his players doing it too.

He’s going to draw a fine for saying that, of course, but I’m glad he did. It’s not quite on the level of Holmgren’s quip about having to play the officials too, but it’s up there.

by Mr Fish on Nov 16, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And now I know what you meant when you said tool up.

I’m confident Dockett will be fined, and possibly but less likely suspended. I loved Mora’s response. I dunno if he gets fined, I doubt it, but I’m sure privately they’ll tell him not to respond that way again.

The interesting thing was following on Twitter. Danny O’Neil asked him straight out if it it was intentional, and there were a handful of CYA tweets about respecting how tough Hasselbeck is, and that it was an accident, but then also how he blocked 12 people, and that he doesn’t give a fuck what people think of him. It’s great to watch those defense mechanisms kick in.

by jacobstevens on Nov 16, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm really beginning to like Mora's personality.

One thing you can’t say is that he doesn’t care about the players and the team. Can’t say he doesn’t have fire either.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 16, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

He’s a Steeler West kinda guy.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 16, 2009 5:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was terrible that the announcers just ignored it.

That’s really dirty, that should’ve had more attention paid to it.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 15, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope the NFL fines him big.

A suspension would be more appropriate, but I’m not holding my breath.

by thebyron on Nov 16, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was against Seattle,

so doubtful.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Nov 16, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain the series that got AZ their first TD in the 3rd quarter?

Arizona had a 2nd and 2 from the 7. Fitzgerald made a 3 yard catch down to the 4, first down. Wells is penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct, 15 yards after the play was over. So now it’s first and goal from the 19. That’s what I thought, and that’s what the announcers said. They also said 2nd and goal, and 3rd and goal.

Then it’s 4th down and the Cardinals are on the 10. I’m thinking 4th and goal, they’re going to kick. The announcers say 4th and 1, and the Cardinals must think so as well because they come out and go for it (and score).

How is that 4th and 1? Since when does a penalty move the line to gain back with it? Very clearly the producers of the broadcast were confused as well, because they never put the customary yellow line out there indicating where the first down was.

Why was that not 4th and goal from the 10?

by lordtd on Nov 15, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The radio announcers were confused as well.

The explanation is also confusing but it ends saying the there would be no first down only if the unsportsman like conduct was against an official. It’s on Danny O’Neill’s blog.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 15, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it, this doesn't seem right.

I’ve seen unsportsmanlike calls for YEARS and I don’t remember a single one where they just moved the ball back 15 yards and still kept down and distance the same.

Not really much of a penalty, if you ask me… especially since it’s probably one of the most serious things you can call.

Wasn’t just the announcers, I do believe the FOX broadcast had it wrong too.

by djafrot on Nov 15, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's all moot anyway because the Cards scored a TD on that 4th down play

Would they have even tried if it was 4th and long? Who knows? Counterfactual arguments can go anywhere you like.

by Mr Fish on Nov 15, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only would they probably not have gone for it.

But if they did at 4th and goal from the 10, we wouldn’t have pushed everybody into the middle like that and he wouldn’t have scored from around the edge. But like you said, who knows. Can’t change it now.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 15, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They wouldn't have gone for it.

No way you go for it on 4th and 10. They figured they could get 1 yard and we played a defense to stop that. That is an all-or-nothing defense, and if you miss the tackle it’s trouble.

by lordtd on Nov 16, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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