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Brandon Mebane in the First Quarter and the Optimal Defensive Line, Pt. 2

Mebane should have Cole's job. The decision to restructure the line around Colin Cole was stupid when made and has led to predictable results. Seattle's third down stand, in which Tapp knifed through Mike Gandy and tackled Wells in the back field, is a great example of how important Mebane was to Seattle. Mebane was on the right, beside Tapp where he belonged. Cole was on the left. Seattle was in a five man front, but Mebane was still double teamed of the snap. It was an ugly, but effective display. He hit his blockers low, getting topped and dropped, but holding ground and most importantly, freeing Tapp. Tapp took apart his single block and used his great inside move to come free to the ball carrier.

Mebane had two more nice looking pass rush moves, but neither effectively freed him. He hustled into a play off end and forced the near interception by Marcus Trufant. Mebane was good, good enough to make those around him better, but not as good as he has been at the one-tech. Cole needs to be worked down in the rotation. His presence stops Seattle from starting an optimal line.

That idea was on my mind as I notated Mebane's day: The Seattle Seahawks optimal, starting defensive line. This season is about next season and this offseason about adding talent where it's needed. Seattle traded for a three tech in his prime and turned him into a defensive end. It's not a bad idea, but with Lawrence Jackson's development, Seattle has options at end. Redding should bulk back up and move inside. He has the motor, length and repertoire of rush moves to be a very good inside pass rusher, but he isn't contributing much from the outside. Mebane should bulk up and reassume the one-tech. Cole would be his rotational partner, what he always should have been, a better Howard Green.

The key to forming this line is complementary skills. Mebane has helped free Jackson, but Jackson is not a great pass rusher. Mebane should be keeping blockers off Tapp. Redding's major weakness is getting high in his stance and subsequently pushed back. Jackons pairs nicely with him because Jackson is very stout for an end and a very good run defender. When Redding sags back, Jackson can drive his man into the hole, narrow it, and even disengage and make the tackle. Seattle might cede some stoutness in the middle, but it fields an elite corps of linebackers. Building this defense to defend the run has, predictably, done just that. When it must defend the pass, be it third and long or playing ahead, it has crumbled.

Seattle could add interior line talent through the draft. A player like Tyson Aluala is a natural complement to Mebane. It doesn't need to though. I think Redding wants to stay and if Seattle can pony the bucks, he will. He shouldn't be outrageously expensive. Concerns about health have passed. He has appeared once on the injury report and not for a knee or groin, but a shoulder. Seattle can not continue to sink over $20 million into Walter Jones, Matt Hasselbeck and Patrick Kerney. The Seahawks could retain their best talent and be players in free agency with that money.

We have months before those decisions are made. Until then, Seattle needs to stir things up and experiment. It needs to test roles and figure out its offseason needs. Seattle had the right game plan against Warner, but used the wrong personnel. It can't start Cory Redding - Brandon Mebane - Colin Cole - Patrick Kerney and expect a persistent pass rush. That line features, arguably, two to three players that are below average pass rushers for their position. And yet, by moving Redding inside and Mebane over center, the resulting Lawrence Jackson - Cory Redding - Brandon Mebane - Darryl Tapp line has three, even four above average pass rushers for their position.

Jim Mora said he was encouraged despite the loss. I would be more encouraged if Seattle did something about the loss. Seattle had zero sacks. It continues to excel against the run, but at what cost? The NFL is a passing league. The Seahawks have a great linebacker corps and three corners that can tackle. It shouldn't need to optimize its line for run stuffing, but it nearly has. It can allow long runs and win. It allowed over 200 yards to Frank Gore, but would have been in the thick of it against San Francisco if not for Matt Hasselbeck's injury. It can not allow another quarterback to sit back and pick apart its zones. Seattle shot of the gates like a contender, but without pass rush, it crumbled, allowing Kurt Warner to become just the latest quarterback to fatten up against the Seahawks zones.

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It's frustrating but also encouraging that a lot of the problems stem from one weakness:

Colin Cole. It’s frustrating to watch his below average play affect games to the extent that it does, but encouraging that the team could correct with one simple move: sign a proven, capable DT or draft a potential star to replace.

Also: you think Kerney will be a Hawk next season? Is his performance truly related to interior line play, or is he just simply passed his prime?

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Nov 17, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

He almost certainly will not.

We’re not a player away, he’s not part of the future. Not delivering now. And expensive.

by jacobstevens on Nov 17, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

many great points

I have posted elsewhere that the Hawks are built to defend against power running teams and have played only one all year. And gotten carved up by passers. I really believe drafting a DT makes a lot of sense in a strong draft like this. One hopes the two fluke plays of Gore (really a problem with safety play more than anything) don’t make people think run defense is this team’s issue.

Why can’t we see a little Red Bryant? Cole gets gassed halfway through games. I’d much sooner see Cole and Terrill both on the bench more often. I’m not sure what is so wrong with the kid. If not Bryant, let’s at least see Walker for some snaps as a DT pass rusher. I am so done with Cole / Terrill

by Hawqz on Nov 17, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

Red Man!!!!

I’ve been wondering this for a while, where has Red Bryant been in the rotation of DT’s lately? It seemed like he start out the season and you, John, were saying you were impressed and excited about his play. Now we are a lot more likely to see a Cole/Terril DT team than a Me/Red Man one. Why is this? I know Red was raw last season and needed to be counted on to go hard on every snap but man, when he gave his full effort he seemed monstrous.

During games I constantly watch Cole get pushed back, shake my head, and tell my friends “See, see this is why I was NOT happy about this signing in the offseason!!!” I need a change I can believe in.

Going back to pass rushing, what has happened to the 3-3-5 stack? I know you are a fan of it John, and I like the versatility of pass rushing personnel that can be inserted into that formation. However on third down it seemed like we often rushed just 3 and the 3 down linemen were far from optimal pass rushers, what gives?

"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson

by Willie Mays Haze on Nov 17, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

In one series

I think it was the first after halftime — I cringed when I saw the rotation of Jackson | Cole | Terrill | Kerney. I don’t know exactly why teams tend to rotate units more than individual players, but I can conceive of some value to it. But it was after halftime, did the better players need more rest? Predictable results, as well, I think the worst play the Cards got was one no-gainer or loss, but the rest were marching orders.

by jacobstevens on Nov 17, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

I like the idea of moving Redding to the 3-tech and Mebane back to nose.

My question is, where does that leave Bryant if Cole is the back-up NT. I really think Seattle should use a high pick on a physical DE to replace Kerney. Derrick Morgan would be my choice.

by Hawkhammer19 on Nov 17, 2009 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

Bryant needs to get his assignments down.

Red is a beast, but he is taking a very slow path to being a pro. Once he gets up to speed, Bryant can fill almost any tackle position and even play some situational end.

by John Morgan on Nov 17, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

But will he have the time to develop in Seattle? It seems as if, with the season going the way it is, this might be a good time to evaluate players who may or may not be part of the team’s future by giving them time on the field. However, the heavy use of Terrill and Cole in Arizona seems to indicate that the coaches are having other thoughts.

by Buster! on Nov 17, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Without rooting against the team at all

I believe Seattle should do what it failed to last season and accept this is not likely their year, and give young talent snaps. Bryant needs to fail at the pro level to eventually succeed at the pro level. Kerney and Cole, by comparison, are what they are, and unfortunately for Kerney, barely even that anymore.

by John Morgan on Nov 17, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought a decline for Kerney might make him more like a Wistrom

Though physically ineffective as a rusher because he basically had no right shoulder. He consistently flatened the edge making it a straight shot for good ol’ JP on edge rushes.

In fairness to Ruskell building the wrong defense, I think he was actually looking at the division’s coaches on offensive approach. All these teams would like to become power running teams. They each have dynamic backs, so part of that is totally understandable, but having a non-dominate pass rusher means we have nothing to flush QBs out of the pocket.

by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 17, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Adding to the other Red Bryant-related questions

How does he fit into this discussion of the future of the defensive line? Is he an eventual starter, or just long-term depth? Have we even seen enough of him to make such a prediction at this point?

"Have a good time all the time" - Viv Savage, Spinal Tap

by HawksFanHernandez on Nov 17, 2009 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

Bryant was bad in college

and entered the NFL late. He needs time, but, well, he doesn’t have too much time. I hope the Seahawks burn a few snaps giving him more game action.

by John Morgan on Nov 17, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Red Bryant has unholy strengths and quicks.

All of that can be taken away on a poor first step, or coming off too high, which happens to him a lot. He’s freakish, but may not ever be tamed enough to learn all the subtlety

by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 17, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

nice article.

I’d love to see TAPP-CORY-MEBANE-JACKSON all the time, and wouldn’t mind if the offense was blown up, I’m totally fed up with it.

by paul2 on Nov 17, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

I've been holding off judgement on Cole

But it looks like you were dead on on this one. Bummer. Now that’s the season’s got the fork all the way through it, I’m hoping Mora tries all kinds of different combinations. It’s that time we get excited about the young up and comers. Red Briant has look both great and awful, but no better year to get him some experience. Throw em in and let them play. I noticed Deon Butler got a few more looks last game. I’d love to see Teel get a start near the end of the season.

I wonder what’s the rule on player designation? Can Seneca be designated a WR (thus not having to have Teel as emergency backup)? I forget how many snaps a non-QB can make.

by B.B.Finnegan on Nov 17, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

Based on the tape, and warnings from JM and the Packers blog

I was very wary of Cole from the get-go. The Frank Gore game sealed it for me.

by kearly on Nov 17, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that Cole was mostly at fault for that game

Just that it was definite proof that Cole was not an adequate replacement for Mebane as a run stopper. Cole was kind of touted as Mebane insurance and I never believed for a second that would be true.

by kearly on Nov 17, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Redding at DT has some issues

Let me preface this by saying that I agree with the points made in this essay and I think Redding should have been the 3 tech since week 1 this year. He’s being wasted at DE. That said:

Redding turns 30 next season. He’d be a very short term option. The Seahawks should resign Redding, but should also draft his future replacement.

I don’t have a source, but when the Seahawks traded JP for Redding+, the Lions were very close to releasing Redding. Part of that was because they didn’t believe he could be an every down DT anymore, for health reasons (I can’t recall but it was something about his knee specifically). Redding has been healthy in 2009, but he’s played mostly DE this season. If there is evidence that the Lions diagnosis was wrong, I don’t think we’ve seen it yet.

by kearly on Nov 17, 2009 8:50 PM PST reply actions  

I remember from last season, a team tried something different against the Colts

I think it was the Texans but I could be mistaken. Anyway their 2 starting DTs were either injured or suspended or something, so they activated their backup DEs and played most of the game with 3 or 4 DEs all on the line at the same time.

Wish I could remember so i could look at how it worked out. I’m assuming they were gashed in the run game, even though the Colts were awful at running last season.
Can anyone see any real advantage to this? Maybe it would collapse the pocket against slower interior linemen?

by rex92 on Nov 18, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

So would you guys advocate picking a defensive end high on draft day?

It seems like that’s what at least a certain segment of Seahawks fans want based on comments and posts at Seahawks Draft Blog, but I get the feeling from this post you think the problem is more on the interior.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 18, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

Were I to add my final thoughts.

If we keep or had someone that could force Tackles to remain flat against tapp, he’s a good speed rusher who can get to the QB regularly. Without a tackle that demands that, his burst is usually contained by the tackle simply angling his step back ..Cole’s horrid play never allows us to challenge the gap this can open up the way Mebane was doing late last year at nose.

by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 2:36 AM PST reply actions  

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