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A lot of people have asked about this. Above is the official highlight showing Clark Haggans sack Matt Hasselbeck and Darnell Dockett shove his forearm and elbow into the downed Hasselbeck's chest and throat.

That's all observable fact. What we do not know: the force Dockett shoved Hasselbeck with; Dockett's intention; Why Hasselbeck chose to run; how much the NFL will fine Dockett.

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The more times I see that play, the more I'm convinced that was intentional.

That action was completely controlled and I really wish this was getting more attention outside of our circle.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 18, 2009 12:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I have started a Fan Post at ROTB discussing it as well

Just for the record, I think it was intentional and worthy of a fine although my fellow Cards fans seem pretty split on whether it was dirty or not.

Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

by Bezekira on Nov 18, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So basically it was a choke hold.

There is no question that was intentional. The play is over, Dockett is on top of Hasselbeck, and then he blatantly puts on a choke move. Dockett was very quick to cry ‘unintentional’, what was unintentional?

There is a good chance that Hasselbeck is acting there a little to try to get the call, impossible to know that one for sure..

I personally think this is a suspension-worthy offense. There is no “just trying to make the play” defense here.. The player is on the ground, the play is dead, and he tries to produce a neck injury…

by michaelfox99 on Nov 18, 2009 5:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seahawks have a rep as 'whiners'

Not particularly deserved imo but I think it has a bearing on how things like this are perceived. It’s a complicated dynamic but it’s like the team is systematically victimized and then criticized for complaining. At the same time, because of a history of getting screwed, the team is more likely to speak up even when the slight was unintentional or misunderstood.

File under: psychiatrists couch

by Keasley on Nov 18, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've definitely noticed this as well.

I swear, it spills over into other things. I like the Paul Silvi coach show, after SNF, but I don’t like the “The game isn’t over until [Mike/Mora] has the last say” slogan. Always had this feel to me of taking, “yes we lost” and turning it into “yes we lost, but because we got screwed.”

So Hasselbeck’s tweet when asked about Dockett was appreciated. Was that something typical, or is Dockett just dirty? he was asked. Typical, he said. He was oversensitive about EJ Henderson so I appreciated that response.

by jacobstevens on Nov 18, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What if that happened to Manning, or god forbid Brady?

Dockett, always tries to get cheap hits like that, sometimes you just gotta let them go. But there are little kids watching the game, and that was a gross display of poor sportsmanship. We will see if the NFL has any class, by how they handle this.

The refs were horrible on Sunday. The Cardinals held on every pass play. I don’t care what the perception of Seahawks fans is around the league. The eye in the sky doesn’t lie. Also the fact that the announcers chose to ignore the blatant holds, and mixed marshal art moves displayed by the Cardinals, gives you insight into their production meetings.

One more thing, on this play, Hasselbeck was hit in the facemask by a Cardinal, also a 15 yard penalty.

"Superhero like even"

by censor1979 on Nov 18, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just so you know

the announcers seem to ignore 95% of penalties that arn’t called. In all games. Announcers don’t like going against the refs, and they also tend to be oblivious and too busy talking about some random inane subject that has little to do with Football.

by Fear on Nov 18, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It could be intentional, but...

…from that footage it could also just be Dockett pushing himself up with his arm as he gets up, and his arm happened to be at the one exposed part on Hasselbeck’s body that you would care got pushed (i.e. not pads or helmet). It’s not a clear, violent elbow by any means. Maybe Dockett has a history of dirty play, I don’t know, but I think people claiming to know it was intentional based on that video are (understandably) letting their concern for Hasselbeck determine what they see. I agree with John, you can’t really tell how hard it was or what the intention was.

by sev79 on Nov 18, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He takes his hand off the ground and moves his arm up, then pressing it into Hasselbeck's throat.

He then puts it back down and gets up. He also slid his arm underneath the helmet. The motion was controlled, it did nothing to help him get up. It was pretty intentional. I’d be upset if that happened to any QB, even Kurt Warner. Going for the throat when a player is on the ground is not ok, ever.

Also a die-hard Hawks fan.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 18, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only question to me is level of intent.

If Dockett was innocently pushing himself up, his left hand was already planted on the turf and his feet are on the ground. He could’ve simply stood up using his left arm and legs. At the tail end of the video, there is a deliberate movement of his right arm, leading with the elbow. He was intending to give Hass a little post-whistle business. IMO, that part of it’s pretty cut and dried.
  
The only question is was he just recklessly throwing an elbow into the chest area and it slid down on the throat, or was he purposely going after the throat? Either way, it’s a fine. Intentionally going after the throat crosses the line into suspension. But unfortunately, that’s something that we’ll never know, because Dockett was sly enough to get away with it, and of course he’s never going to admit to it.

But either way – I find myself agreeing with “sports radio” crowd on this (Ray Roberts & Wyman on the 710AM post-game show, and Brock Huard on his afternoon show) – this type of stuff happens on pretty much every play. Complaining about it in post-game press conferences or taking the spat into the media doesn’t accomplish anything. Like fighting in hockey, it’s up to the players to self-regulate it on the field. Somebody from the OL needs to be there to throw Dockett off or get in his face. Somebody needs to give him the business the next chance they get. Don’t instigate stuff, but when one team takes a shot, you need to immediately let them know that you’ll dish it out twice as hard. The OLine needs and “enforcer” type on it, just like NHL teams have them.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Nov 18, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it accomplishes solidarity

to the clubhouse when your head coach calls it out and raises the stakes by one publicly the way he did. Not a bad move.

And it will produce a Leinart-tinted smear on the turf of Qwest Field next year. But that’s about it.

by jacobstevens on Nov 18, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Leinart-tinted

Now that’s an adjective I can get behind.

by djafrot on Nov 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, you can accomplish solidarity while keeping it in the locker room

Challenge the team as a group, but keep it private.

I think all Mora did was increase the chances he’ll get the same fine as Dockett for criticizing the officiating. And possibly increase the scrutiny his own team will be under, with refs looking out to see if the ’Hawks are now trying to retaliate or purposely manufacture intensity.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Nov 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are valid points.

Impressed me as a fan, but I can see the reasoning that it would be better to keep it inhouse.

by jacobstevens on Nov 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unger

I think that in the future, Unger will be the guy to be that enforcer type you’re looking for on the OL. But I’d rather have the type of line that keeps the QB clean so they don’t have to worry about as many cheap shots.

by PascoJoe on Nov 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So here it is Thursday and still nothing from the league about this incident

Several other fines have already been announced. I wonder what the silence means in this case.

by Mr Fish on Nov 19, 2009 3:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So now we know. The NFL isn't serious about preventing injuries.

$7500 is a joke, considering how much Dockett makes per game.

No suspension either.

by Mr Fish on Nov 20, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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