Dolphins at Panthers Game Thread
by John Morgan on Nov 19, 2009 5:00 PM PST
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PrintI was hoping Ronnie Brown would play. Brown is the most intriguing potential free agent running back in this year's always-thin free agent running back class. But Brown is injured again and, as such, might not be worth the money anyway. I guess we could instead look at Julius Peppers and dream of Seattle clearing out Patrick Kerney, Matt Hasselbeck and Walter Jones' contract and signing Peppers, but Peppers already knows failure. He wants success.
The remaining storyline, ignoring Jonathan Stewart and Chad Henne, is Pat White and the future of the Wild Cat. College is teeming with Pat White like players that excel at the college game but have no future in the pros. The Wild Cat, its establishment and moreover its long and successful run, has challenged the pass first offense. Could teams soon be building an entire offense around single-wing principles? Will David Lee soon coach the Jacksonville Jaguars and tutor Tim Tebow to NFL dominance?
A less farfetched impact of White excelling down the stretch is how it will affect the NFL draft. If White excels in Miami, tweener quarterbacks that can run a single wing could be a hot commodity in next year's draft. I love innovation and innovation is part of what I love about the NFL. I want White to achieve 100+ total yards tonight.
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Think so.
I am praying some of the game is actually shown online instead of hours of studio discussion.
I actually don't mind Millen that much.
He’s not great and his GM history makes it tough to really take him seriously, but his color man skills are just meh, he’s not great nor is he offensive.
SEA!
1st and goal at the 8
Bad weather, INT-happy QB, very good running attack.
And they throw it 3 times. The logic is sound.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
I haven't watched many Dolphin games this season.
How is involved with the wildcat? Does he ever line up at WR?
He has lined up as a WR on a few occasions
With either Ronnie Brown or Pat White as the “QB”.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
With Brown now out,
it wouldn’t be too surprising to see them run a version like the ’Hawks with Seneca under center and Matt split out.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
This may be too abstract,
but he has a calm, assured presence. An important start for any young leader.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Four year starter
but not a very good four year starter. I thought his transition would be quick, but I do not know how well he’ll develop.
One would think with the way they run the ball it would be a good situation.
Ginn’s drops not withstanding when he does put it up.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Miami has a good offensive line too.
It’s a soft landing for sure, but I would love to know if Henne himself is doing well. I guess I will have to figure that with my own eyes.
Henne is doing very well.
A ‘The Phinsider’ resident here. I’ve been fortunate enough to watch a few games of Henne’s this year (I live in the Northeast so it doesn’t come locally), and I would be honored to answer any and all of your questions if you have any on him.
2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
by Dave.Phuller on Nov 23, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
The first atdhe stream is the best.
NFLNETWORK WE DONT WANT TO WATCH FUCKING DISCUSSION WE WANT THE GAME. HOW HARD OF A CONCEPT IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND.
The NFL KNOWS that weed enhances your performance.
Have you ever tried running behind the left tackle…ON WEED?!
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
I've seen a few Dolphin games and he's been running inside and hard when I've watched.
That was an odd call.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Are there two John Morgans in this thread?
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions
John Morgan dines alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp6H9hR4nIM
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I just thought your posts seemed to jump from subject to subject really quick
It’s probably my slow mind though, excuse me.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
No problem
It’s a blessing and a curse. My mind is almost cripplingly associative. I can think of ten things better than one.
Does anyone know what Smith's frame is?
5’9 somewhere in the 180’s?
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions
I knew that was a sack two steps into Jake's drop
Too bad he didn’t realize it, and throw the ball away.
Yes. The Kay people hate women almost as much as they perpetuate stereotypes.
Women will do anything for jewelry.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Sack by Phillip Merling.
He was the guy the talking heads on ESPN said the Seahawks were crazy to pass up when they took Lawrence Jackson instead. Going to be interesting to compare the two over the next few years. So far Jackson seems to be the better pick based on stats alone, but I’d be curious to hear a more informed opinion.
by Mind of no mind on Nov 19, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions
We're free from Dick Stockton for the Rams game
And get Ron Pitts/John Lynch instead. Same guys who did our first game against them.
Does happy dance
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
Because we're getting Stockton again this weekend
Can’t wait until we’re behind despite being up 7-3.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
He's not doing the upcoming Rams game
because the Seahawks have already lost it.
/Muh-RAE’d
by John Edwards on Nov 19, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I like Lynch as an analyst
He attended Stanford and they’re supposed to be really smart and crap.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
Why is Carolina bothering to throw?
Holy crap Millen and Papa with some fugly ties.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
Did Dwayne Jarrett suck so hard that Muhamad human slow mo was better than him?
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions
You could also say USC receirs are overrated
How many years has it been since a WR out of their program has not been a bust, or made a real impact in the league?
I'm just going to call him Giant Smith
Because the older Smith is small, and doesn’t play for the Panthers.
Giant Smith has been with the Giants for a few years though, right? (Also forgot he went to USC.)
BMW should've staid in school
Ditto Jarett, those guys got by in college by being taller than everyone, BMW was decently physical but the year off killed him.
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I always forgave Williams for his issues.
If I were averaging 440+ touches a season for 3 years, I’d need weed to take my edge off too
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
I don't get his career at all
Unless you account for all those years he was suspended/benched. I don’t think he’s had a full season worth of carries since 2002 or 2003, and maybe that has saved his legs.
I think most of us called the Steve Smith better than Dwayne Jarrett while they were at usc.
I just didn’t think that meant Jarrett would disappear at the next level.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:18 PM PST reply actions
I totally forgot
They’ll probably draft Taylor Mays and the world will be laughing. I picked Carolina anyway so that’s all I have to hold on.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
And then Mays will develop and terrorize the West for years to come
I’m not a Mays backer, but let’s not ignore the potential.
Maybe.
Ever since reading the scouting reports on Walter Jones, I am starting to consider what positions are most benefited by tools and what positions are most benefited by skills.
Sure
but speed allows you to make up for it.
There was this one play against Arizona I replayed a few times and Josh Wilson was destroyed out of the receiver’s cut, but then he just hit another gear and recovered and was in blanket coverage.
have you ever seen a corner with short burst speed
The way wilson seems to be able to use to cover guys?
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
What about baserunning?
It would be foolish to argue which analogy is more useful for playing safety, but that’s a good example of needing savvy, ability to read, and speed. There are plenty of fast guys that don’t run the bases all that well.
Agreed. One can learn to be a good baserunner.
One cannot learn to be fast.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
That's true.
I am not disputing whether knowledge matters.
Say Seattle drafts Mays and plays him in Cover 1, in the box and on blitzes.
Could he become good enough at those limited skills so that his tools make him great?
Sure.
I wouldn’t touch Mays. I am just challenging my assumptions about him.
I think Berry will have comparable speed, better agility and incredible ball skills, but he can never be 240 pounds of free safety smashing through Larry Fitzgerald.
I think the things I've come to realize about Mays
and most of the USC players is that they’re all horribly coached. Pete Carroll lets his players use their physical talent and doesn’t bother to instruct them on technique.
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No I meant Nigerian.
I think Mays might be secretly Nigerian.
by John Morgan on Nov 19, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hand it to Henne
He stood in the pocket while the Panthers were surrounding him, and he threw it to an open man.
I agree. I loved the signing
Too bad Lucas can’t also play safety, and defensive tackle, and running back, and left tackle, and…..
Actually, could you move a guy like Lucas to Safety?
If you drafted a talent young corner to take the slot and assuming wilson finishes strong? I like the guy’s tackling and he’s got good but not super great speed.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Whatching those "acrobats" create NFL logos
Makes me wonder how they would do the Seahawks, provided they ever showed up on Thursday nights again.
Can those guys create a torn knee ligament?
Come on Papa
We get it. Ricky Williams carried the ball. Don’t say it 3 times.
Oh and Carolina’s tackling is deplorable.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
It very well could
If you wanted to get all MacGuyvery about it.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Nov 19, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Do we have any players young teams like miami might like to bring in for draft picks?
Ray Willis is good depth, but expensive, can you part ways with him and a hawthorne for picks?
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions
We frown on anything that would make posters welcome or happy.
by John Morgan on Nov 19, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Too many ys in that comment
looks like it was fun to type.
by John Morgan on Nov 19, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Texas is a country I have not had a chance to visit.
by John Morgan on Nov 19, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Having spent a great deal of time in Austin,
I can attest to that.
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ZInger!!!
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by Dukeshire on Nov 19, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Needing a improvement at positions
I think Willis is really depth for us because of system, not because he can’t start somewhere else in an offense that can use his skill set.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions
stop using logic to defeat my wild fantasies of a slew of picks in 2010.
I want to dream. I also like Ray Willis and would really like him to have a career as a starter somewhere if it can’t be here.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
They used him in the Pats game
Had a run as QB for 30+ yards.
Also had an incomplete pass.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
Had the 'Hawks lost to them I'm sure I'd despise them too.
But they won, so I have little regard for them other than feeling superior.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Except for Denver or Pittsburgh
I always root for AFC over NFC. Even if our wild card hopes are non-existent.
What is Jake's issue, ever since that game his career has been very Kitna-esque
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST reply actions
Errr meant to hit reply to John's nfc championship game
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
That depends on rookie guard Max Unger John and if he does that, I'll cry
And I don’t cry for anything, except when Jerramy Stevens appears in my nightmares.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I lost my internet feed for a few minutes after Denaglo's big run
I assume Jake threw another pick? Because that would totally shock me.
What do they say about throwing it 'late and over the middle'?
You would think a veteran QB would learn what most armchair QBs do.
What?
Since when does Russell cover anything other than the turf he repeatedly meets.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
No he's not. Curry has yet to record 5000 sacks and 500 INTs this season.
Fire Ruskell.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
And only the one elite talent
Seattle should package the Broncos pick and either move up to the very top of the draft or pursue that one elite talent that randomly becomes available in the offseason.
In fact
I would dance. Use the second on safety and then fill the line through free agency and mid round picks.
I hope the Rams don't take him ahead of us.
The could stick w/ Bulger for one more year, and give Spag. his D-line force.
Marcus Trufant was elite before getting hurt
And so was Walter Jones. I think Mebane could also be considered elite amongst d-tackles, but I’m biased. But maybe none of these guys are as good at their positions as Andre is at WR.
Marcus Trufant was top ten
but never the best at his position. I wouldn’t call him elite. And Jones hasn’t been elite since 2005.
I love Mebane as much as anybody, but I don’t think he is even capable of being elite.
So not three
just in the discussion. Trufant I could see, maybe, if you’re talking just cover corner.
It's hard to compare Trufant or Mebane to A. Johnson
But then you couldn’t compare the best punter to him, either. Anyway, truly elite players are usually overpriced anyway. We just need more good players.
Then only Curry has the potential to be that
Nick Reed is already the greatest DE to ever play the game.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
We won't see that until this Sunday, right?
Since Reed hasn’t faced Favre yet (I think) and since Favre still has a head.
An over-inflated, gritty, gunslingin’ head.
Or Reed's hit was so hard that he tore through the space-time continuum
And knocked Favre’s head back to today.
Yeah I saw that
It was similar to what he did against David Garrard, but he punted Garrard’s head into the stands.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
I still think Pat White is a exception.
Because he was pretty accurate and got better at throwing the ball.
abender20 hates freedom.
Jon Fox should've been fired so long ago.
For starting Foster over him.
abender20 hates freedom.
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Brees backup!
abender20 hates freedom.
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Holy shit
He’s still in the league?
abender20 hates freedom.
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
Threw a long TD pass in preseason too.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
God this coaching staff is retarded
5 passes out of 6 total plays inside the 10.
Fire Bruce DeHaven.
I love watching Delhomme fail.
When he throws picks it makes me so happy.
abender20 hates freedom.
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think the illusion of pressure makes Delhomme poop just a little?
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions
I'd give Matt Moore another look.
He looked decent against us in 2007. Obviously one game where he manged only 1 touchdown is all the proof I need that he’d be an all-pro QB.
20 million guaranteed.
Sitting Delhomme would lead to some heads rolling. Everyone’s hoping he somehow turns it around to save all their jobs.
All of them are at this point.
And Carolina is getting pushed back so easily. It’s like watching 7 Colin Cole’s
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
You mean shifty obviously as in out of good tackling position
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
He's missed at least two he should have had.
One he let a sure tackle run through him, looking lazy on the play. The earlier one, he was out of position and had time to set up to make a good wrap and whiffed entirely.
Buds kept him young.
Moss and Sapp too.
by John Morgan on Nov 19, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ronnie Brown is proving my assertion that running tall and exposed leads to bunches of injuries
Williams has a very lose lower body to prevent him from being tackled while in a stiff position.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions
Another slow, boring night of Thursday football
Good pickin’ NFL Network!
by John Morgan on Nov 19, 2009 7:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Is it the Argonauts coach that the Bills will be interviewing?
They’re taking a look at one of the CFL coaches.
Wouldn't it be controversial for a Montreal coach to take over a Toronto team?
Because the Bills are moving to…..never mind.
I don't think the NFL Network knows football that well
Games like this may prove the Cable companies case for them.
I don't have NFL Network -- has Pat White even been in the game?
I figured Miami might get him more involved with Ronnie Brown out, but I just checked the box score and I don’t see him anywhere.
Huh. Funny they only put the rookie in when the game's on the line.
That seems backwards. They could use their lead to get him out on the field and try some plays when success isn’t so critical.
Giants/Broncos next week
Go Giants.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
#93 is badass!
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
The name is already badass!
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
I don't why I'm bringing this up
But there was a block-in-the-back by Carolina when Smith ran back the punt in the NFC Championship game.
I don't know why I'm bringing this up
But…
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
But I like the Romo fumble
You know what got me about this moment? Shaun Alexander’s 20+ yard run on the next play. That was overlooked so much.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
There was still a minute left, and they had time outs
Without Shaun’s run, we may have punted the ball with enough time for Dallas to try another kick.
I was at the game, that play went something like this
Anxious hope about the upcoming drive, indifference to kick, confusion, EXCITEMENT, TERRIFYING, LEAPING INTO MY FATHERS ARMS.
We’re on about the 15 yard line at the north end of the stadium, it happened right in front of us.
This is the best moment of our season
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
Well when Nick Reed does accomplish what he said he would
It supplants this.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
It'll be so awesome that it'll get him elected to the HOF
even though he isn’t eligible, and hasn’t started a game yet.
He already has surpassed Bruce Smith in sacks
With 244. He just picks and chooses his victims.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
No!
Our Romo fumble was Dikembe Mutombo laying in the paint. We’ll take the ball was so Hasselbeck, it was the start of his greatness.
The Bobby Engram moment in 2004
was miserable.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
I've never heard that many people go that quiet that quickly.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I was screaming for Hasselbeck to throw it to Jerry Rice
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
Yes! Watching a mediocre Hawks team lose to a mediocre Rams team three times that year was awful
Although I don’t think we’ve lost to the Rams since.
It was funny how Seattle was number 1-3 on many publications' power rankings entering
that season. My hopes were dashed.
A lot of people forget that while D-Jack had 10 drops.
He also had 87 catches, Bobby Engram, though thought of as always sure handed dropped 9 and only had 46 catches.
by Joshua Kasparek on Nov 19, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
D-Jack was our "#1" so to speak
How many drops did Koren have?
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
Alex Bannister is the enemy.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
Frankly, I think more Panther-Dolphin game threads
should end in discussions about the NFC Championship game, Romo’s slip and Brian Russell suckiness. Good job, everyone else!
No way. Another injury at center? Seahawks II?
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
Zone defense causes anal cancer
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
I give up on you Carolina. RICKY!!!!!!!!!!
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
Holy crap what a block by DeAngelo Williams
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
I told my dad this scenario would happen
Let’s see if it works.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
What the heck this offensive line is useless without Gross
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
I actually think #80 (Jarrett?) helped knock the ball down.
Seattle Seahawks: The only team in the NFL to trail 17-17 according to Dick Stockton.
Yes Millen, great job by the D to keep it in front of them.
Of course, they were in the end zone.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
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